WHO approves mixing of all Covid-19 vaccines

[bamfo_dennis]

https://www.reuters.com/business/health ... 021-12-16/

Dec 16 (Reuters) - The World Health Organization issued interim recommendations on Thursday for mixing and matching COVID-19 vaccines from different manufacturers for both the second dose and booster shots.

Depending on availability, mRNA vaccines, such as those developed by Pfizer Inc (PFE.N) and Moderna Inc (MRNA.O) can be used as subsequent doses after initial doses of AstraZeneca's (AZN.L) vectored vaccine and vice versa, the global health body said.

AstraZeneca and any of the mRNA vaccines can also be used after initial doses of Sinopharm's inactivated vaccine, WHO said.

The guidance has been developed based on advice from WHO's Strategic Advisory Group of Experts on vaccines earlier this month.

The recommendation comes after a major study last week said a first dose of AstraZeneca or Pfizer/BioNTech shots followed by a Moderna vaccine nine weeks later induced a better immune response.

The recommendations will be reviewed as more data becomes available, the global health agency said.

Many countries have already gone ahead with mixing and matching vaccines as they faced soaring COVID-19 infection numbers, low supplies and slow immunisation over some safety concerns.

[bamfo_dennis]

[FrankChag]

^^ https://www.facebook.com/MinistryofHealthTT/posts/270984005065470

[orgazmatron]

To all the uninformed and ignorants out there, proceed at you own risk with this madness!

[gastly369]

To all the uninformed and ignorants out there, proceed at you own risk with this madness!

I'm uninformed can you please inform me thanks...

[timelapse]

To all the uninformed and ignorants out there, proceed at you own risk with this madness!

I'm uninformed can you please inform me thanks...

You just had to engage the insane person....

[Dizzy28]

MOH revised Vax schedule

[Dohplaydat]

To all the uninformed and ignorants out there, proceed at you own risk with this madness!

There is absolutely zero harm in mixing vaccines providing you don't get them at the same time.

[plan4cars9986]

you sure? i know for a fact that orgazmatron is the top scientist/doctor in the world and the WHO panel wanted him for the committee but he say he too smart for that and gone in an isolated lab to develop his own covid cure. i feel you uninformed and ignorant like he was saying.

[88sins]

All mix and match vaccine talk aside, this is for the elders and those with medical conditions, specifically those with cardiac conditions.

Please insist that whomsoever is administering your injection aspirate prior to depressing the plunger.

[redmanjp]

Did they aspirate when you got your primary shots?

I have been watching Dr. Campbell videos on YouTube where he has repeatedly recommended this. And studies back him up on this. This can virtually eliminate the already small risk of blood clots.

[88sins]

I have been watching Dr. Campbell videos on YouTube where he has repeatedly recommended this. And studies back him up on this. This can virtually eliminate the already small risk of blood clots.

Just a preventive measure.
These vaccines are designed for IM administration, and without aspiration the possibility of them being delivered into a blood vessel is a real one, and studies indicate that this may cause myocarditis in patients, which can be a real problem for people who already have known cardiac issues.


If the extra second of time it takes to draw back on the plunger could ensure the avoidance of the improper administration and by extension safeguard a patient from the possible complications of improper administration, I see no reason why aspiring should be an issue.
Is not like the nurse have limited time to inject each patient, and even if they did, it only takes 2 seconds to do.

[ProtonPowder]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl ... -11844.pdf
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5333604/

Overview and analysis of aspiration in injections. This is a very good starting point, and is a relatively short and simple read, and this is a published piece of medical research.

Interesting bits on page 5 for immunizations. General conclusion is that they aren't needed for intramuscular shots once the person administering the shot is experienced with where they are putting the needle.

[redmanjp]

Lack of experience is an issue especially if because of the pandemic ppl who didn't have prior experience are now being asked to give injections

[ProtonPowder]

Correct, they expanded the list of qualified persons to include a wide array of persons, including vets and radiologists among others.

[88sins]

And all those persons have the supernatural ability to see exactly where the tip of the needle is when it is inside the muscle tissue of an arm before they depress the plunger.

Like I said, aspiration is simply a precaution being taken. It takes nothing away from the activity.

Yes it may cause a little more discomfort to the patient, and take a second or two more time. But I'm pretty sure that most patients would prefer the little discomfort and greater peace of mind of aspiration, than the worrying that comes with the uncertainty of whether or not it was placed correctly and possibility of the worst case scenario of cardiac complications.

But wwgd? Is up to the individual to decide what they ok with, and to inform the medical staff attending to them accordingly.

[redmanjp]

anyone asked a nurse at any site to aspirate and they agree to it?

[sucre251]

anyone asked a nurse at any site to aspirate and they agree to it?

I really don't know when all these Whatsapp and Facebook forwards will stop with the never-ending misinformation. I didn't know that they injecting heroin directly into a vein for this vaccine that they have to aspirate the needle. I am sure a lot of these false ideas start with the 3 O-level subject nurses who refuse to get vaccinated and are the ones protesting about how Rowley"terk er jerbs" and forcing them to vaccinate. I still have not seen a law making vaccination mandatory in Trinidad and Tobago. They still have a choice.

https://www.10tv.com/article/news/local ... 7ca8c24ecf

COLUMBUS, Ohio — Information circulating on social media has some questioning the way doctors administer the COVID-19 vaccine.

10TV's Karina Nova took your questions to health experts to get some answers.

THE QUESTION:

Viewer Tony wrote in asking, "If you are going to get vaccinated, make sure that the nurse/doctor aspirates the injection site first. If the vaccine is injected intravenously, you are at a substantial risk of heart failures like myocarditis or pericarditis and that MRNA vaccines SHOULD NOT enter the bloodstream. Is this true?”

THE SOURCES:

Infectious Diseases Society of America
The World Health Organization
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
Dr. Joseph Gastaldo with OhioHealth
THE ANSWER:

No, the nurse/doctor should not aspirate the vaccine when injecting into the deltoid muscle, where your COVID-19 vaccine is administered.

Here's what we found:

Dr. Gastaldo explains the idea behind aspirating, or pulling back the plunger when the needle is injected with the vaccine.

"The thought process is as an extra layer of protection, let's pull back the plunger to make sure there's no return blood, which would signify the needle is in the vein and not the muscle," he says.

This social media advice partly stems from a recent study.

"I am aware of a clinical study done in august of 2021 where they directly injected a vaccine into the vessels of a mouse. In that study model the mice did get myocarditis. Again when we give the vaccine we are not injecting into the blood vessel, they're going it into the muscle," Dr. Gastaldo says.

The Infectious Diseases Society of America states that the World Health Organization and CDC no longer recommend aspiration of syringe plunger during intramuscular injections. The best practice is not to aspirate.

"You can see where people want to connect the dots and say 'as an extra layer of protection, I want them to pull back on the plunger not to hit any blood vessels.' Guess what? There are no major blood vessels there. If that was the case, we would do blood draws from there and we don't do that with patients in the hospital," Gastaldo explains, adding, "We have given over 440 million doses of these vaccines. If there was an issue of us giving a vaccine into the deltoid, we would have known it by now."

[paid_influencer]

yea I see no reason to ask them to "aspirate" anything. I really do believe you're safer letting the nurse who has done thousands of injections before just go ahead and do yours as routinely as possible.

The only special thing I asked for my jabs was to take it in my dominant-hand because my (non-dominant) deltoid got sliced open and put back together during surgery. For everyone else, you should probably take it in your non-dominant hand because SIRVA is a real thing that happens and you want to mitigate that.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6347325/

I also did make sure to take off my shirt and get as relaxed as possible before the shot, so it was as easy as possible for the nurse to hit the target.

Other protip: all the nurses giving injections at SAPA seem to be really really experienced. Didn't feel at thing at all for my jabs. Go there early morning on a weekday and you should GT with a very experienced injector. I went on a weekend once and the weekend crew seemed tired and overworked, but ymmv.

[ProtonPowder]

I got mine in SAPA as well and took it in my non dominant delt, as I didnt want my writing arm to be sore just in case.

Didnt feel the needle at all when the nurse administered the shot, and it just so happened I got the same nurse doing both shots, according to the signatures on the card.

[88sins]

"There are no major blood vessels there" is not the same thing as there are no blood vessels there, and not everybody's veins are the exact same size, in the exact same identical location in tissue.
Aspiration takes nothing away from the process, so I see no reason why to go against it.

But do what you want, ask for it or not, is your choice at the end of the day.