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Re: Opposition files motion to remove President of T&T from Office

Postby De Dragon » October 21st, 2021, 9:07 pm

eliteauto wrote:
De Dragon wrote:
eliteauto wrote:
wtf wrote:Honestly though what are the requirements to be a parliamentary clerk?
It can't be high because it looks like a boring dead end job only a loser will take.


The Clerk of the House aka the powder neck red member has a BSc is Public Admin and Law from UWI Cave Hill, an LEC from Hugh Wooding and an LLB from the University of London. Hope that helps

Qualifications mean you're somehow above reproach?
:rofl: :rofl:


Where did he ask anything about reproach? Is red powder neck from the baliser brothel "reproach"?

Unfroth yourself Head LFD RFD PNM cheerleader, and read again.

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Re: Opposition files motion to remove President of T&T from Office

Postby zoom rader » October 21st, 2021, 9:07 pm

eliteauto wrote:
De Dragon wrote:
eliteauto wrote:
wtf wrote:Honestly though what are the requirements to be a parliamentary clerk?
It can't be high because it looks like a boring dead end job only a loser will take.


The Clerk of the House aka the powder neck red member has a BSc is Public Admin and Law from UWI Cave Hill, an LEC from Hugh Wooding and an LLB from the University of London. Hope that helps

Qualifications mean you're somehow above reproach?
:rofl: :rofl:


Where did he ask anything about reproach? Is red powder neck from the baliser brothel "reproach"?
Eliteauto you know very well that those positions are filled form bailiser brothel

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Re: Opposition files motion to remove President of T&T from Office

Postby widdyphuck » October 21st, 2021, 9:13 pm

eliteauto wrote:
wtf wrote:Honestly though what are the requirements to be a parliamentary clerk?
It can't be high because it looks like a boring dead end job only a loser will take.


The Clerk of the House aka the powder neck red member has a BSc is Public Admin and Law from UWI Cave Hill, an LEC from Hugh Wooding and an LLB from the University of London. Hope that helps
All that qualifications and she end up with a dead end job like that?
What are your sources of information?
Are you making this up?

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Re: Opposition files motion to remove President of T&T from Office

Postby De Dragon » October 21st, 2021, 9:24 pm

wtf wrote:
eliteauto wrote:
wtf wrote:Honestly though what are the requirements to be a parliamentary clerk?
It can't be high because it looks like a boring dead end job only a loser will take.


The Clerk of the House aka the powder neck red member has a BSc is Public Admin and Law from UWI Cave Hill, an LEC from Hugh Wooding and an LLB from the University of London. Hope that helps
All that qualifications and she end up with a dead end job like that?
What are your sources of information?
Are you making this up?

Highly likely, these LFD RFD PNM slaves will lie about anything.

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Re: Opposition files motion to remove President of T&T from Office

Postby zoom rader » October 21st, 2021, 9:30 pm

wtf wrote:
eliteauto wrote:
wtf wrote:Honestly though what are the requirements to be a parliamentary clerk?
It can't be high because it looks like a boring dead end job only a loser will take.


The Clerk of the House aka the powder neck red member has a BSc is Public Admin and Law from UWI Cave Hill, an LEC from Hugh Wooding and an LLB from the University of London. Hope that helps
All that qualifications and she end up with a dead end job like that?
What are your sources of information?
Are you making this up?
It's not really a dead end job, they just use is as a stepping stone to a bigger jobs. Main fact is that they are red government agents and have to follow orders.

They were coached before the motion on how to proceed.

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Re: Opposition files motion to remove President of T&T from Office

Postby MaxPower » October 21st, 2021, 9:40 pm

De Dragon wrote:Imagine a big fat facking fairy President admitting that there was interference in the selection process for a CoP by a LFD RFD PNM "high official".
Imagine a big fat facking fairy President admitting that she didn't do her constitutional DUTY and forward the Merit List.
Imagine a big fat facking fairy PM defending this sheit because he was allegedly involved,
Imagine a big fat fairy facking AG calling this a victory when a judge basically said he failed to craft proper legislation.
Imagine big fat fairy kants like Colos, j.o.e. etc, defending this sheit.
Imagine a big fat facking leech of a Speaker deciding unilaterally that an unprecedented motion in our history is not worthy of a debate.
Then understand why we are where we are.


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Re: Opposition files motion to remove President of T&T from Office

Postby Gladiator » October 21st, 2021, 10:07 pm

MaxPower wrote:
De Dragon wrote:Imagine a big fat facking fairy President admitting that there was interference in the selection process for a CoP by a LFD RFD PNM "high official".
Imagine a big fat facking fairy President admitting that she didn't do her constitutional DUTY and forward the Merit List.
Imagine a big fat facking fairy PM defending this sheit because he was allegedly involved,
Imagine a big fat fairy facking AG calling this a victory when a judge basically said he failed to craft proper legislation.
Imagine big fat fairy kants like Colos, j.o.e. etc, defending this sheit.
Imagine a big fat facking leech of a Speaker deciding unilaterally that an unprecedented motion in our history is not worthy of a debate.
Then understand why we are where we are.


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Yet you are the biggest PNM supporter...steupes

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Re: Opposition files motion to remove President of T&T from Office

Postby zoom rader » October 21st, 2021, 11:07 pm

Gladiator wrote:
MaxPower wrote:
De Dragon wrote:Imagine a big fat facking fairy President admitting that there was interference in the selection process for a CoP by a LFD RFD PNM "high official".
Imagine a big fat facking fairy President admitting that she didn't do her constitutional DUTY and forward the Merit List.
Imagine a big fat facking fairy PM defending this sheit because he was allegedly involved,
Imagine a big fat fairy facking AG calling this a victory when a judge basically said he failed to craft proper legislation.
Imagine big fat fairy kants like Colos, j.o.e. etc, defending this sheit.
Imagine a big fat facking leech of a Speaker deciding unilaterally that an unprecedented motion in our history is not worthy of a debate.
Then understand why we are where we are.


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Yet you are the biggest PNM supporter...steupes
U need to understand max

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Re: Opposition files motion to remove President of T&T from Office

Postby Dizzy28 » October 22nd, 2021, 8:07 am

Redman wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:Sigh!!!
Redman wrote:The motion is based on whether the Prez did chit or not.
Not the actions of the PSC.....

That said if I were her I would have abstained...to prove the point,not like it was even close.

We have to accept that the vast majority of the electoral college did not think a tribunal was necessary.
The debate would have just been the unc trying the matter under parliamentary cover.






Dizzy28 wrote:The Independent bench also includes the sister of a key party in this whole issue. Charisse sister or Bliss.

Its not unfeasible for her to canvass the remaining Independents who all are PMW appointees anyhows. This is Trinidad nothing less than ethical is not realistic
VexXx Dogg wrote:ALL the independent senators sided voted no.
If the case had merit, don't ya think that at least one or two independents woulda swing a yes?
Seems like it was just a timewasting exercise under the guise of legitimacy?

Asha Javeed on FB wrote:The motion is defeated.
24 members voted for the Motion, 47 voted against, no abstentions.
All govt voted no, all opposition voted yes, all independents voted no.
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Yes because guilty people always say they did what they are accused of.

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Re: Opposition files motion to remove President of T&T from Office

Postby Redman » October 22nd, 2021, 8:12 am

Dizzy28 wrote:
Redman wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:Sigh!!!
Redman wrote:The motion is based on whether the Prez did chit or not.
Not the actions of the PSC.....

That said if I were her I would have abstained...to prove the point,not like it was even close.

We have to accept that the vast majority of the electoral college did not think a tribunal was necessary.
The debate would have just been the unc trying the matter under parliamentary cover.






Dizzy28 wrote:The Independent bench also includes the sister of a key party in this whole issue. Charisse sister or Bliss.

Its not unfeasible for her to canvass the remaining Independents who all are PMW appointees anyhows. This is Trinidad nothing less than ethical is not realistic
VexXx Dogg wrote:ALL the independent senators sided voted no.
If the case had merit, don't ya think that at least one or two independents woulda swing a yes?
Seems like it was just a timewasting exercise under the guise of legitimacy?

Asha Javeed on FB wrote:The motion is defeated.
24 members voted for the Motion, 47 voted against, no abstentions.
All govt voted no, all opposition voted yes, all independents voted no.
IMG_20211021_201054.jpg


Yes because guilty people always say they did what they are accused of.


Well I see that it's decided that she is guilty.
I don't know if she is or isn't.

Your attachment said the Prez did not deal with the meetings etc.
I'm saying that I think she did.

If you don't believe her statement...then it's incumbent on you to prove it a lie.

Presumption of innocence and all that stuff.

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Re: Opposition files motion to remove President of T&T from Office

Postby Dizzy28 » October 22nd, 2021, 8:33 am


Well I see that it's decided that she is guilty.
I don't know if she is or isn't.

Your attachment said the Prez did not deal with the meetings etc.
I'm saying that I think she did.

If you don't believe her statement...then it's incumbent on you to prove it a lie.

Presumption of innocence and all that stuff.


Presumption of innocence usually is a premise that holds until some sort of trial is completed. It can't be that its the be all and end all.
48 persons yesterday decided that there should be no ventilation on this issue. The vote was actually on setting up the Tribunal which would have run with it. How do you prove a lie when the allowable mechanism is denied?

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Re: Opposition files motion to remove President of T&T from Office

Postby Redman » October 22nd, 2021, 8:47 am

So....it's a presumption of guilt cuz it's the Prez .

What is this allowable mech?
How is it allowable ?

It's either we following the constitution to the letter or we not.

So follow it wrt the PSC not being allowed to withdraw the letter...and impeach the Prez.

But use descretion where there is none to allow a debate to take place at a premature stage.?

There are gaps in the constitution to be filled.

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Re: Opposition files motion to remove President of T&T from Office

Postby VexXx Dogg » October 22nd, 2021, 8:50 am

Assuming that this defeat was an erosion on democracy, what is the next step to investigate the allegation?

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Postby j.o.e » October 22nd, 2021, 8:51 am

UNC trying to be relevant and still taking those L’s.
I am no constitutional expert but based on all the arguments put forward why do UNC supporters think a debate was necessary or even allowed under the circumstances?
If the UNC was successful in the vote the president would be judged by a tribunal …… then what would be the benefit of a debate where anything could be said under parliamentary privilege during the debate ?

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Re: Opposition files motion to remove President of T&T from Office

Postby Dizzy28 » October 22nd, 2021, 8:58 am

Redman wrote:So....it's a presumption of guilt cuz it's the Prez .

What is this allowable mech?
How is it allowable ?

It's either we following the constitution to the letter or we not.

So follow it wrt the PSC not being allowed to withdraw the letter...and impeach the Prez.

But use descretion where there is none to allow a debate to take place at a premature stage.?

There are gaps in the constitution to be filled.



But there are attorneys out there saying discretion is allowed -
"“Although Section 36 of the Constitution is silent on whether Thursday’s motion should be debated or not, there is a rule of statutory interpretation that says that where something arises by ‘necessary implication’ from the express words of a law, then that law—including the Constitution itself—must be interpreted as to contain that language, even if it is absent,” he said."
https://trinidadexpress.com/news/local/ ... bbae4.html
https://trinidadexpress.com/opinion/edi ... d86f6.html

But yes our Constitution is not the zenith and it definitely needs improving.

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Postby zoom rader » October 22nd, 2021, 8:59 am

j.o.e wrote:UNC trying to be relevant and still taking those L’s.
I am no constitutional expert but based on all the arguments put forward why do UNC supporters think a debate was necessary or even allowed under the circumstances?
If the UNC was successful in the vote the president would be judged by a tribunal …… then what would be the benefit of a debate where anything could be said under parliamentary privilege during the debate ?
It's simple , no debates means that all future no motion of confidence will have no debates.

So when the red government tries for such a debate they will be turned down. Then you all jump and say no democracy and the ruling government bad.

You a little slow so more points for you on the jackarse list
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Re: Opposition files motion to remove President of T&T from Office

Postby Redress10 » October 22nd, 2021, 9:00 am

j.o.e wrote:UNC trying to be relevant and still taking those L’s.
I am no constitutional expert but based on all the arguments put forward why do UNC supporters think a debate was necessary or even allowed under the circumstances?
If the UNC was successful in the vote the president would be judged by a tribunal …… then what would be the benefit of a debate where anything could be said under parliamentary privilege during the debate ?


So that under parliamentary privilege they could say the most vile and disgusting things about the President of Trinidad and Tobago. Kamla and the UNC is just playing to what they think their supporters want to hear. Is all about baccanal now. Imagine you have Kamla SC a senior attorney acting as though she don't understand the constitution. Wade Mark asking the speaker of the house if the sittings being recorded by Hansard etc. Wade Mark was literally the former speaker of the house and asking these dumb questions.

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Re: Opposition files motion to remove President of T&T from Office

Postby Gladiator » October 22nd, 2021, 9:05 am

Dizzy28 wrote:

Well I see that it's decided that she is guilty.
I don't know if she is or isn't.

Your attachment said the Prez did not deal with the meetings etc.
I'm saying that I think she did.

If you don't believe her statement...then it's incumbent on you to prove it a lie.

Presumption of innocence and all that stuff.


Presumption of innocence usually is a premise that holds until some sort of trial is completed. It can't be that its the be all and end all.
48 persons yesterday decided that there should be no ventilation on this issue. The vote was actually on setting up the Tribunal which would have run with it. How do you prove a lie when the allowable mechanism is denied?


Was now going to post this... its good to see real critical thinkers here.

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Re: Opposition files motion to remove President of T&T from Office

Postby zoom rader » October 22nd, 2021, 9:09 am

Redress10 wrote:
j.o.e wrote:UNC trying to be relevant and still taking those L’s.
I am no constitutional expert but based on all the arguments put forward why do UNC supporters think a debate was necessary or even allowed under the circumstances?
If the UNC was successful in the vote the president would be judged by a tribunal …… then what would be the benefit of a debate where anything could be said under parliamentary privilege during the debate ?


So that under parliamentary privilege they could say the most vile and disgusting things about the President of Trinidad and Tobago. Kamla and the UNC is just playing to what they think their supporters want to hear. Is all about baccanal now. Imagine you have Kamla SC a senior attorney acting as though she don't understand the constitution. Wade Mark asking the speaker of the house if the sittings being recorded by Hansard etc. Wade Mark was literally the former speaker of the house and asking these dumb questions.
Redress ,

You have to understand it was about the "no debates" for future no motions of confidence.

The red government cannot complain to hold their debates when they bring up no motions in the future

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Postby Gladiator » October 22nd, 2021, 9:16 am

VexXx Dogg wrote:Assuming that this defeat was an erosion on democracy, what is the next step to investigate the allegation?


In other countries with people that care about their future and democracy there would be public pressure, protests, revolution etc...

This is a very serious issue where there is obvious collusion between the President, the Prime Minister and the PNM govt, the speaker of the house and the so called independent bench to avert a discussion/debate on the matter at hand. This type of action reeks of guilt and cover up.

As Winford James said this morning, the Parliament should support the need for transparency and the getting to the truth instead of banding together to cover it up. This entire event shows that there is no real democracy in Trinidad. Election is just to elect your puppet into the chair and anything goes afterwards.

I pity those who just see the matter as a UNC blunder or ploy to fire the President. Its so much bigger than that. If for nothing, at least next time, Rowley and Weeks would think twice before they collude to corrupt a process. Also it was great to see them panic and sweat bullets when they got called out...lol

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Postby Dizzy28 » October 22nd, 2021, 9:16 am

Because they are inept and lack political nous the UNC is not being separated from the message.
We are at a stage where something holds no merit just because its them as opposed to the merit of the case itself.

This issue clearly has now become one that is along partisan lines as most can't separate their own internal biases and political preferences.

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Re: Opposition files motion to remove President of T&T from Office

Postby Redman » October 22nd, 2021, 9:21 am

Dizzy28 wrote:
Redman wrote:So....it's a presumption of guilt cuz it's the Prez .

What is this allowable mech?
How is it allowable ?

It's either we following the constitution to the letter or we not.

So follow it wrt the PSC not being allowed to withdraw the letter...and impeach the Prez.

But use descretion where there is none to allow a debate to take place at a premature stage.?

There are gaps in the constitution to be filled.



But there are attorneys out there saying discretion is allowed -
"“Although Section 36 of the Constitution is silent on whether Thursday’s motion should be debated or not, there is a rule of statutory interpretation that says that where something arises by ‘necessary implication’ from the express words of a law, then that law—including the Constitution itself—must be interpreted as to contain that language, even if it is absent,” he said."
https://trinidadexpress.com/news/local/ ... bbae4.html
https://trinidadexpress.com/opinion/edi ... d86f6.html

But yes our Constitution is not the zenith and it definitely needs improving.



2 lawyers 27 opinions.

If discretion is allowed under the part of the constitution to impeach the Prez...Section 36.....as Emir said.

What is allowed under the part of the constitution that governs the Merit List?

Is the discretion that one side wants for the Speaker to allow a debate the same discretion that enables the Prez to send back the recalled list?

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Postby zoom rader » October 22nd, 2021, 9:36 am

Redman wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:
Redman wrote:So....it's a presumption of guilt cuz it's the Prez .

What is this allowable mech?
How is it allowable ?

It's either we following the constitution to the letter or we not.

So follow it wrt the PSC not being allowed to withdraw the letter...and impeach the Prez.

But use descretion where there is none to allow a debate to take place at a premature stage.?

There are gaps in the constitution to be filled.



But there are attorneys out there saying discretion is allowed -
"“Although Section 36 of the Constitution is silent on whether Thursday’s motion should be debated or not, there is a rule of statutory interpretation that says that where something arises by ‘necessary implication’ from the express words of a law, then that law—including the Constitution itself—must be interpreted as to contain that language, even if it is absent,” he said."
https://trinidadexpress.com/news/local/ ... bbae4.html
https://trinidadexpress.com/opinion/edi ... d86f6.html

But yes our Constitution is not the zenith and it definitely needs improving.



2 lawyers 27 opinions.

If discretion is allowed under the part of the constitution to impeach the Prez...Section 36.....as Emir said.

What is allowed under the part of the constitution that governs the Merit List?

Is the discretion that one side wants for the Speaker to allow a debate the same discretion that enables the Prez to send back the recalled list?
Well don't complain with the red government goes for a debate on a no motion of confidence for future dealings and gets turned down

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Re: Opposition files motion to remove President of T&T from Office

Postby MaxPower » October 22nd, 2021, 9:40 am

When will the UNC stop failing?

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Postby Redman » October 22nd, 2021, 9:41 am

zoom rader wrote:
Redman wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:
Redman wrote:So....it's a presumption of guilt cuz it's the Prez .

What is this allowable mech?
How is it allowable ?

It's either we following the constitution to the letter or we not.

So follow it wrt the PSC not being allowed to withdraw the letter...and impeach the Prez.

But use descretion where there is none to allow a debate to take place at a premature stage.?

There are gaps in the constitution to be filled.



But there are attorneys out there saying discretion is allowed -
"“Although Section 36 of the Constitution is silent on whether Thursday’s motion should be debated or not, there is a rule of statutory interpretation that says that where something arises by ‘necessary implication’ from the express words of a law, then that law—including the Constitution itself—must be interpreted as to contain that language, even if it is absent,” he said."
https://trinidadexpress.com/news/local/ ... bbae4.html
https://trinidadexpress.com/opinion/edi ... d86f6.html

But yes our Constitution is not the zenith and it definitely needs improving.



2 lawyers 27 opinions.

If discretion is allowed under the part of the constitution to impeach the Prez...Section 36.....as Emir said.

What is allowed under the part of the constitution that governs the Merit List?

Is the discretion that one side wants for the Speaker to allow a debate the same discretion that enables the Prez to send back the recalled list?
Well don't complain with the red government goes for a debate on a no motion of confidence for future dealings and gets turned down


You keep repeating this...despite it being a lie.

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Re: Opposition files motion to remove President of T&T from Office

Postby zoom rader » October 22nd, 2021, 9:45 am

Redman wrote:
zoom rader wrote:
Redman wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:
Redman wrote:So....it's a presumption of guilt cuz it's the Prez .

What is this allowable mech?
How is it allowable ?

It's either we following the constitution to the letter or we not.

So follow it wrt the PSC not being allowed to withdraw the letter...and impeach the Prez.

But use descretion where there is none to allow a debate to take place at a premature stage.?

There are gaps in the constitution to be filled.



But there are attorneys out there saying discretion is allowed -
"“Although Section 36 of the Constitution is silent on whether Thursday’s motion should be debated or not, there is a rule of statutory interpretation that says that where something arises by ‘necessary implication’ from the express words of a law, then that law—including the Constitution itself—must be interpreted as to contain that language, even if it is absent,” he said."
https://trinidadexpress.com/news/local/ ... bbae4.html
https://trinidadexpress.com/opinion/edi ... d86f6.html

But yes our Constitution is not the zenith and it definitely needs improving.



2 lawyers 27 opinions.

If discretion is allowed under the part of the constitution to impeach the Prez...Section 36.....as Emir said.

What is allowed under the part of the constitution that governs the Merit List?

Is the discretion that one side wants for the Speaker to allow a debate the same discretion that enables the Prez to send back the recalled list?
Well don't complain with the red government goes for a debate on a no motion of confidence for future dealings and gets turned down


You keep repeating this...despite it being a lie.


Red government Speaker said no debates according to her interpretation so from there on " no debate "

It's simple so don't complain when the tables turn

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Postby zoom rader » October 22nd, 2021, 9:52 am

Precedent set
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Re: Opposition files motion to remove President of T&T from Office

Postby sMASH » October 22nd, 2021, 10:12 am

Parliament is the biggest most expensive polling booth in the country.

At the end of the day, pnm sttoges used their position to protect the president on the psc debacle.

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Re: Opposition files motion to remove President of T&T from Office

Postby j.o.e » October 22nd, 2021, 10:14 am

zoom rader wrote:
j.o.e wrote:UNC trying to be relevant and still taking those L’s.
I am no constitutional expert but based on all the arguments put forward why do UNC supporters think a debate was necessary or even allowed under the circumstances?
If the UNC was successful in the vote the president would be judged by a tribunal …… then what would be the benefit of a debate where anything could be said under parliamentary privilege during the debate ?
It's simple , no debates means that all future no motion of confidence will have no debates.

So when the red government tries for such a debate they will be turned down. Then you all jump and say no democracy and the ruling government bad.

You a little slow so more points for you on the jackarse list


This was not a motion of no confidence

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Re: Opposition files motion to remove President of T&T from Office

Postby widdyphuck » October 22nd, 2021, 10:22 am

If Rowley knew there was going to be no debate he would have never said he filed a motion of no confidence in Gary.
Even Rowley himself got caught out.

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