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Postby abducted » October 7th, 2021, 9:09 am

TTADA: Two year old electric vehicles only benefit the rich

The exemption on electric cars would only benefit the wealthy said Visham Babwah, the head of the T&T Automotive Dealers Association.

Babwah told Guardian Media on Tuesday that even with the tax exemptions outlined in the 2021-2022 budget, a 2-year-old used electric car would still cost more than $200,000. Babwah said a 4 year-old vehicle can cost around $130,000 if given the same exemptions. Babwah said in order to achieve a substantial reduction in emissions vehicles must be affordable to low and mid income earners.

He said “This exemption would never benefit the small man unless the age is reduced. A 4 year old vehicle can last up to 25 years and the battery life is more than 15 years. To reduce emissions, electric vehicles must be in the hands of regular commuters and taxi drivers. As it stands only high income earners can benefit from these exemptions.”

Babwah said electric vehicles come with sensors and warning devices because they are silent and can alert drivers to possible pedestrians and other hazards because consumers have complained that they are very quiet. Babwah said the fuel savings using electric vehicles are tremendous. He said “If electric vehicles are accessed by more and more people we would have a lower fuel importation bill. What Minister Imbert has done with the exemption and age restriction of allowing only two years the tax break was really a disservice to the poor.”

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Re: No tax on electric vehicles in T&T

Postby pugboy » October 7th, 2021, 9:17 am

depends though, barbados apparently has a fair number of electric vehicles BUT small ones like the nissan leaf etc
NOT tesla’s in abundance afaik
and they have a developed charging network

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Postby zoom rader » October 7th, 2021, 9:20 am

No tax on electric vehicles but households will have to increase rates to make back the taxes not charge on those vehicles.

Don't be fooled as usual

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Postby zoom rader » October 7th, 2021, 9:21 am

pugboy wrote:depends though, barbados apparently has a fair number of electric vehicles BUT small ones like the nissan leaf etc
NOT tesla’s in abundance afaik
and they have a developed charging network
Marc it's all golf carts

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Postby aaron17 » October 7th, 2021, 9:22 am

Who does fix electric vehicles here?...

*crickets....

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Postby zoom rader » October 7th, 2021, 9:26 am

aaron17 wrote:Who does fix electric vehicles here?...

*crickets....
Trinis fix anything, but try and mess with Tesla nah

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Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » October 7th, 2021, 9:39 am

^ a number of local companies do service and repairs on hybrid and electric vehicles including motor and battery changes.

An electric only car (EV) has less moving parts and less things to repair. The suspension, brakes etc are the same if not very similar to a hybrid or internal combustion engine car.

There are locations with free charging too. Brentwood Unipet gas station has two charging bays, there’s one on Wrightson Road, two at Hilton, soon WestMall, Gulf City and C3 - all offering free charging. I’m not sure what the rate is at the new NP service center in Preysal on the Couva flyover.

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Postby redmanjp » October 7th, 2021, 9:50 am

So wait u can get a full charge for free? :shock:

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Postby pugboy » October 7th, 2021, 9:52 am

we heading that way soon
whilst ferris and dem driving big electric tesla and ting

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pugboy wrote:depends though, barbados apparently has a fair number of electric vehicles BUT small ones like the nissan leaf etc
NOT tesla’s in abundance afaik
and they have a developed charging network
Marc it's all golf carts

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Postby zoom rader » October 7th, 2021, 9:54 am

Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:^ a number of local companies do service and repairs on hybrid and electric vehicles including motor and battery changes.

An electric only car (EV) has less moving parts and less things to repair. The suspension, brakes etc are the same if not very similar to a hybrid or internal combustion engine car.

There are locations with free charging too. Brentwood Unipet gas station has two charging bays, there’s one on Wrightson Road, two at Hilton, soon WestMall, Gulf City and C3 - all offering free charging. I’m not sure what the rate is at the new NP service center in Preysal on the Couva flyover.
The moment you tamper with a Tesla you are on your own .

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Postby j.o.e » October 7th, 2021, 10:08 am

I’d love a electric runabout. Eyeing the Mini SE or something similar. Trinidad is small range anxiety isn’t an issue for most. But Trinis love to act like they gonna be driving 1000kms a day

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Postby SLVR1 » October 7th, 2021, 10:14 am

Imbert probably wants a Taycan. No one can beat up about minister exemptions now.

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Postby pugboy » October 7th, 2021, 10:24 am

the orders should be in as they on 6th year in power and they can change cars every 3

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zoom rader wrote:
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:^ a number of local companies do service and repairs on hybrid and electric vehicles including motor and battery changes.

An electric only car (EV) has less moving parts and less things to repair. The suspension, brakes etc are the same if not very similar to a hybrid or internal combustion engine car.

There are locations with free charging too. Brentwood Unipet gas station has two charging bays, there’s one on Wrightson Road, two at Hilton, soon WestMall, Gulf City and C3 - all offering free charging. I’m not sure what the rate is at the new NP service center in Preysal on the Couva flyover.
The moment you tamper with a Tesla you are on your own .

AFAIK you’re on your own once it’s brought here. We have no official Tesla service here. I’m not sure how the OTA updates work here either.

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Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » October 7th, 2021, 10:49 am

redmanjp wrote:So wait u can get a full charge for free? :shock:

Yes it’s free.
However it takes a couple hours to get a full charge, which is why they are looking to locate them at Malls etc

Porsche just set up two free chargers at Hilton with plans to set up more at WestMall, C3 and Gulf City.
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Postby Ben_spanna » October 7th, 2021, 11:26 am

What a stinking joke.
HYBRIDS should have been the target audience here, which would have made a huge difference to the majority of the population.

All this has done is to open the market for

Audi E-tron
Teslas
Porsche Taycan
Jaguar I-pace
Mercedes Electric

All of which are out of reach for most people as the cost for any of them under 2 years is literally over $600,000

Basically he did in fact do that for his friends and the Upper class in the country.

Theres also the question about the All electric MG's - lets see if by some miracle Massy all of a sudden is an intended market for them .

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Postby pugboy » October 7th, 2021, 11:30 am

ca-ching

Ben_spanna wrote:What a stinking joke.
HYBRIDS should have been the target audience here, which would have made a huge difference to the majority of the population.

All this has done is to open the market for

Audi E-tron
Teslas
Porsche Taycan
Jaguar I-pace
Mercedes Electric

All of which are out of reach for most people as the cost for any of them under 2 years is literally over $600,000

Basically he did in fact do that for his friends and the Upper class in the country.

Theres also the question about the All electric MG's - lets see if by some miracle Massy all of a sudden is an intended market for them .

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Postby zoom rader » October 7th, 2021, 11:49 am

Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:
zoom rader wrote:
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:^ a number of local companies do service and repairs on hybrid and electric vehicles including motor and battery changes.

An electric only car (EV) has less moving parts and less things to repair. The suspension, brakes etc are the same if not very similar to a hybrid or internal combustion engine car.

There are locations with free charging too. Brentwood Unipet gas station has two charging bays, there’s one on Wrightson Road, two at Hilton, soon WestMall, Gulf City and C3 - all offering free charging. I’m not sure what the rate is at the new NP service center in Preysal on the Couva flyover.
The moment you tamper with a Tesla you are on your own .

AFAIK you’re on your own once it’s brought here. We have no official Tesla service here. I’m not sure how the OTA updates work here either.
This is what people don't understand, unless if you want to fly them in to service you Tesla then you own you own.

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Postby j.o.e » October 7th, 2021, 11:50 am

Ben_spanna wrote:What a stinking joke.
HYBRIDS should have been the target audience here, which would have made a huge difference to the majority of the population.

All this has done is to open the market for

Audi E-tron
Teslas
Porsche Taycan
Jaguar I-pace
Mercedes Electric

All of which are out of reach for most people as the cost for any of them under 2 years is literally over $600,000

Basically he did in fact do that for his friends and the Upper class in the country.

Theres also the question about the All electric MG's - lets see if by some miracle Massy all of a sudden is an intended market for them .


So you intentionally chose only high end electric vehicles? There are cheaper (not necessarily cheap) options. Of course Trinis probably have too much pride to drive a small dinky electric car even if it’s cost efficient.
Honestly the new car market should tackle the problem better than the foreign used market.

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Postby 2WNBoost » October 7th, 2021, 12:01 pm

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j.o.e wrote:
Ben_spanna wrote:What a stinking joke.
HYBRIDS should have been the target audience here, which would have made a huge difference to the majority of the population.

All this has done is to open the market for

Audi E-tron
Teslas
Porsche Taycan
Jaguar I-pace
Mercedes Electric

All of which are out of reach for most people as the cost for any of them under 2 years is literally over $600,000

Basically he did in fact do that for his friends and the Upper class in the country.

Theres also the question about the All electric MG's - lets see if by some miracle Massy all of a sudden is an intended market for them .


So you intentionally chose only high end electric vehicles? There are cheaper (not necessarily cheap) options. Of course Trinis probably have too much pride to drive a small dinky electric car even if it’s cost efficient.
Honestly the new car market should tackle the problem better than the foreign used market.

Let's say a 2 year old Nissan Leaf out of Japan is about US$21K which might sell for about TT$175-$200K?
Shipping costs are considerably higher now.

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Postby toyolink » October 7th, 2021, 12:33 pm

Tax free concessions, in principle should always yield cost benefits to the buyer.
The question which arises with the subject matter here is, what practical or operational benefits would the owner of a electric vehicle enjoy locally.
With the almost complete absence of infrastructure etc. in the short term one wonders who really will choose to go this route at this time.
The budget provisions may be merely symbolic and a demonstration of support for the green initiatives.
At this time in T&T hybrids remain the best fit and there seems to be no acknowledgement of same by the state.

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Postby j.o.e » October 7th, 2021, 12:51 pm

toyolink wrote:Tax free concessions, in principle should always yield cost benefits to the buyer.
The question which arises with the subject matter here is, what practical or operational benefits would the owner of a electric vehicle enjoy locally.
With the almost complete absence of infrastructure etc. in the short term one wonders who really will choose to go this route at this time.
The budget provisions may be merely symbolic and a demonstration of support for the green initiatives.
At this time in T&T hybrids remain the best fit and there seems to be no acknowledgement of same by the state.


Chicken and the egg. There will be no infrastructure until there are vehicles. If I were govt I would offer some sort of tax concession to businesses and employers who make charging available to customers/staff.
Let’s not forget trinidad is small and you can reliably charge at home. While public charging is nice it isn’t necessary for our situation. No one is driving cross continent.

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Postby zoom rader » October 7th, 2021, 12:51 pm

The level of chain up continues.

How stupid can dis cont tree be

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Postby zoom rader » October 7th, 2021, 12:52 pm

j.o.e wrote:
toyolink wrote:Tax free concessions, in principle should always yield cost benefits to the buyer.
The question which arises with the subject matter here is, what practical or operational benefits would the owner of a electric vehicle enjoy locally.
With the almost complete absence of infrastructure etc. in the short term one wonders who really will choose to go this route at this time.
The budget provisions may be merely symbolic and a demonstration of support for the green initiatives.
At this time in T&T hybrids remain the best fit and there seems to be no acknowledgement of same by the state.


Chicken and the egg. There will be no infrastructure until there are vehicles. If I were govt I would offer some sort of tax concession to businesses and employers who make charging available to customers/staff.
Let’s not forget trinidad is small and you can reliably charge at home. While public charging is nice it isn’t necessary for our situation. No one is driving cross continent.
You smelt the rat of the bullchit

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Postby 2WNBoost » October 7th, 2021, 1:00 pm

Tesla Model S (348–402 mile range) = 100kWh battery
T&TEC Residential Rate = $0.37 per kWh

Cost to fully charge = 100 x 0.37 = $37
Adding 15% efficiency loss = 15 x 0.37 = $5.55
Total Cost = $37 + $5.55 = $42.55

Less than a full tank of gas even if electricity rates are doubled
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Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » October 7th, 2021, 1:18 pm

j.o.e wrote:
toyolink wrote:Tax free concessions, in principle should always yield cost benefits to the buyer.
The question which arises with the subject matter here is, what practical or operational benefits would the owner of a electric vehicle enjoy locally.
With the almost complete absence of infrastructure etc. in the short term one wonders who really will choose to go this route at this time.
The budget provisions may be merely symbolic and a demonstration of support for the green initiatives.
At this time in T&T hybrids remain the best fit and there seems to be no acknowledgement of same by the state.


Chicken and the egg. There will be no infrastructure until there are vehicles. If I were govt I would offer some sort of tax concession to businesses and employers who make charging available to customers/staff.
Let’s not forget trinidad is small and you can reliably charge at home. While public charging is nice it isn’t necessary for our situation. No one is driving cross continent.

Agreed - charging stations are more of a convenience at shopping malls etc.
So far the charging units that have been installed by Porsche are paid for by the dealership and the light bill is handled by the location owner. So lets say they install it at the mall, the mall pays the light bill but it's an attraction for customers to charge for free while shopping, dining etc. And these work for most EVs and PHEV (plug in hybrids) as the plug socket is the same (not for Tesla though).
The majority of people will charge at home.

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Postby VII » October 7th, 2021, 1:33 pm

Doesn't matter with high end EVs now ...no exemption necessary..


pugboy wrote:the orders should be in as they on 6th year in power and they can change cars every 3

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Postby zoom rader » October 7th, 2021, 1:48 pm

2WNBoost wrote:Tesla Model S battery = 100kWh
T&TEC Residential Rate = $0.37 per kWh

Cost to fully charge = 100 x 0.37 = $37
Adding 15% efficiency loss = 15 x 0.37 = $5.55
Total Cost = $37 + $5.55 = $42.55

Less than a full tank of gas even if electricity rates are doubled
That's for now, wait in 5 years time when rates are x 4. Plus cost of replacing lithium batteries is not cheap.

It's a massive con job

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Postby Les Bain » October 7th, 2021, 2:08 pm

Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:
j.o.e wrote:
toyolink wrote:Tax free concessions, in principle should always yield cost benefits to the buyer.
The question which arises with the subject matter here is, what practical or operational benefits would the owner of a electric vehicle enjoy locally.
With the almost complete absence of infrastructure etc. in the short term one wonders who really will choose to go this route at this time.
The budget provisions may be merely symbolic and a demonstration of support for the green initiatives.
At this time in T&T hybrids remain the best fit and there seems to be no acknowledgement of same by the state.


Chicken and the egg. There will be no infrastructure until there are vehicles. If I were govt I would offer some sort of tax concession to businesses and employers who make charging available to customers/staff.
Let’s not forget trinidad is small and you can reliably charge at home. While public charging is nice it isn’t necessary for our situation. No one is driving cross continent.

Agreed - charging stations are more of a convenience at shopping malls etc.
So far the charging units that have been installed by Porsche are paid for by the dealership and the light bill is handled by the location owner. So lets say they install it at the mall, the mall pays the light bill but it's an attraction for customers to charge for free while shopping, dining etc. And these work for most EVs and PHEV (plug in hybrids) as the plug socket is the same (not for Tesla though).
The majority of people will charge at home.


According to an article I read some years back, home charging would be an issue for folks without designated parking. While homeowners with driveways and car ports could set up weather and tamper proof charging, renters and similar folks who jostle for parking in the street face the challenge of running long cords to the road, then wondering if their neighborhood bamsee delivery children would unplug them in the night.

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