No tax on electric vehicles in T&T

[DMan7]

What we need is solar powered vehicles.

[kamakazi]

@2wnboost

I see the comparison to a tank of fuel...a closer comparison might be too that of a CNG vehicle... Both get their power from natural gas; power plants use nat gas to generate electricity

[wing]

zoom, what is your solution then? what options should be entertained instead of electric vehicles?

Everyone else ignoring his/her rants. Don't enable him/her. It's a problem because the red government is promoting it.....

[zoom rader]

zoom, what is your solution then? what options should be entertained instead of electric vehicles?

The Electric vehicle is as old as the ICE and just as good .

The problem with Electric vehicles is the cost. A giant monopoly on mining, supplying and production is taking place on lithium. Its going to be a hugh business but a lot of misinformation is being told for people to convert from ICE. Its the same with the diamond industry where there is a hugh monopoly and inflated prices for a common rock that is abundant in Africa. These people limit the amount of diamonds on the market and set their own price. The very same is happening on the lithium batteries. Australia & SA has the largest mines and are buying the smaller mines in Africa.

The biggest lie is green house gasses where they are blaming cars when infact its the airline industry that produces the most green house gasses. The mining of lithium produces a hugh amount of carbon footprint which offsets that of cars.

Here's a fact Cows produce more green house gasses than cars .

https://news.un.org/en/story/2006/11/20 ... port-warns.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... greenpeace

All this banning of cars and trying to convince ppl to buy karts is bullchit.

The purpose of replacing cars was to limit greenhouse gases, first they need to solve the Cattle problem then the airline industry.

[zoom rader]

zoom, what is your solution then? what options should be entertained instead of electric vehicles?

Everyone else ignoring his/her rants. Don't enable him/her. It's a problem because the red government is promoting it.....

Your just another uninformed Jack arse that will accept and believe what you been told. This is why Hitler convinced ppl that his party had all the answers.

Continue

[gastly369]

zoom, what is your solution then? what options should be entertained instead of electric vehicles?

Everyone else ignoring his/her rants. Don't enable him/her. It's a problem because the red government is promoting it.....

Your just another uninformed Jack arse that will accept and believe what you been told. This is why Hitler convinced ppl that his party had all the answers.

Continue

*Stares volkswagenllyy

[A172]

lol@ posers suddenly becoming tesla owners come jan 2022

[zoom rader]

lol@ posers suddenly becoming tesla owners come jan 2022

This does not solve the red government forex assumed problem.

Tesla is not cheap nor cost effective. Awaits when they have to pay duty on replacement lithium batteries .

[zoom rader]

This is level of lies pushed on to people just to sell cars. The idiots that wrote this fable has their own agenda to serve their boss in selling karts

https://www.guardian.co.tt/news/experts ... 5d1993df73.

What they not telling you is that the mining of lithium , production and disposal of the batteries all offset the greenhouse gases saved on buying a kart.

Trying to save a country greenhouse gases while ingorning the damage that was done in the production of the batteries to the world.

Idiots galore no wonder why you all vote red

[Dizzy28]

the orders should be in as they on 6th year in power and they can change cars every 3

Watching back the list of parliamentarians and the cars they buy (the express list) under the exemption, some of the ones who bought multiple cars were doing so at two year intervals.

[st7]

zoom, what is your solution then? what options should be entertained instead of electric vehicles?

The Electric vehicle is as old as the ICE and just as good .

The problem with Electric vehicles is the cost. A giant monopoly on mining, supplying and production is taking place on lithium. Its going to be a hugh business but a lot of misinformation is being told for people to convert from ICE. Its the same with the diamond industry where there is a hugh monopoly and inflated prices for a common rock that is abundant in Africa. These people limit the amount of diamonds on the market and set their own price. The very same is happening on the lithium batteries. Australia & SA has the largest mines and are buying the smaller mines in Africa.

The biggest lie is green house gasses where they are blaming cars when infact its the airline industry that produces the most green house gasses. The mining of lithium produces a hugh amount of carbon footprint which offsets that of cars.

Here's a fact Cows produce more green house gasses than cars .

https://news.un.org/en/story/2006/11/20 ... port-warns.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... greenpeace

All this banning of cars and trying to convince ppl to buy karts is bullchit.

The purpose of replacing cars was to limit greenhouse gases, first they need to solve the Cattle problem then the airline industry.

ok i now had a chance to look at your links thinking they were about lithium mining etc lol

for sure rearing cattle in large scale does cause environmental issues. can you share any links wrt what you said about mining lithium?

[redmanjp]

but how much cow trinidad have? not more than half a million like we have in cars

[zoom rader]

but how much cow trinidad have? not more than half a million like we have in cars

Green house gasses is world wide and not limited to any one county.

No Cows and cars in the North and south poles but they are the most affected because of the accumulation from the rest of the world

[zoom rader]

zoom, what is your solution then? what options should be entertained instead of electric vehicles?

The Electric vehicle is as old as the ICE and just as good .

The problem with Electric vehicles is the cost. A giant monopoly on mining, supplying and production is taking place on lithium. Its going to be a hugh business but a lot of misinformation is being told for people to convert from ICE. Its the same with the diamond industry where there is a hugh monopoly and inflated prices for a common rock that is abundant in Africa. These people limit the amount of diamonds on the market and set their own price. The very same is happening on the lithium batteries. Australia & SA has the largest mines and are buying the smaller mines in Africa.

The biggest lie is green house gasses where they are blaming cars when infact its the airline industry that produces the most green house gasses. The mining of lithium produces a hugh amount of carbon footprint which offsets that of cars.

Here's a fact Cows produce more green house gasses than cars .

https://news.un.org/en/story/2006/11/20 ... port-warns.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... greenpeace

All this banning of cars and trying to convince ppl to buy karts is bullchit.

The purpose of replacing cars was to limit greenhouse gases, first they need to solve the Cattle problem then the airline industry.

ok i now had a chance to look at your links thinking they were about lithium mining etc lol

for sure rearing cattle in large scale does cause environmental issues. can you share any links wrt what you said about mining lithium?

https://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/renewable/the-environmental-impact-of-lithium-batteries/

https://www.greencarcongress.com/2020/1 ... skill.html

[carluva]

You really think the current draw will be a problem residentially?

40A at 220VAC is the equivalent of simultaneously running 3-4 split AC units (size depending). Many people do that nightly.

Plus it's not like the whole street in a neighbourhood going to buy vehicles all at once.

You are right tho - if power quality is an issue and there are low voltages, T&TEC can and will address the issue through transformer upgrades.

I think they say most charging is either a 30amp or higher rater 50amp.
pulling 40+amp 220v continuous could have an effect on the property supply if marginal
some streets might need to upgrade their transformers etc

I see the discussion here is more energetic.

So a couple of questions

1. Anyone knows how EVs handle surges or low voltage.

2. Can our electricity grid handle the increased demand of people switching to EVs.


@ Les Bain
Some EVs still have a transmission, differential and/or tranaxle that still requires servicing.
I know Tesla still requires gear oil... But I don't think it is user serviceable.

[carluva]

1. Anyone knows how EVs handle surges or low voltage.

This shouldn't be a huge issue. The vehicle is charged with AC mains power but to charge the battery, the power must be converted to DC. This is achieved through a rectifier. A rectifier prevents AC power quality issues from affecting the charging circuit. In the worst case a surge will cause clipping of the DC voltage to the maximum voltage. Low voltage would mean a smaller DC voltage resulting in a longer charging time.

2. Can our electricity grid handle the increased demand of people switching to EVs.

There is a surplus of electricity on our system. Plus a significant amount of standby generation. Large users such as Mittal and Petrotrin coming offline have added to the surplus power/available power on the grid. TGU is a take or pay contract so regardless of the demand as long as TGU is online, money is paid for the power and the unit will keep on generating. Our grid should be well equipped to handle continuous incremental growth in EVs out there.

I see the discussion here is more energetic.

So a couple of questions

1. Anyone knows how EVs handle surges or low voltage.

2. Can our electricity grid handle the increased demand of people switching to EVs.


@ Les Bain
Some EVs still have a transmission, differential and/or tranaxle that still requires servicing.
I know Tesla still requires gear oil... But I don't think it is user serviceable.

[VII]

Just in time for questions on durability longevity etc., a ten year old electric car.

Held up well Zoom, no clunkity clunk like an old beat up ICE car...still tight, less moving parts to be strained stressed and worn..


https://youtu.be/QSqMbuPh8PY

[A172]

the only "cheap" ev japan roro it have is the Leaf and a 2020 model is $23,000 cnf. Even if u had cash to bring in one who gonna waste $166k of their $ behind that junk?

most ppl ketching dey qont to even qualify at the bank for $100k to buy a swift or note so Leaf at dealer markup not even in their scope of reality

all the other EVs is 300k and up so that done disqualify posers

EV will never pickup on a large scale here like how all them cheap hybrids did so rn is just the usual cyak from the cyakers after a budget reading

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

the only "cheap" ev japan roro it have is the Leaf and a 2020 model is $23,000 cnf. Even if u had cash to bring in one who gonna waste $166k of their $ behind that junk?

most ppl ketching dey qont to even qualify at the bank for $100k to buy a swift or note so Leaf at dealer markup not even in their scope of reality

all the other EVs is 300k and up so that done disqualify posers

EV will never pickup on a large scale here like how all them cheap hybrids did so rn is just the usual cyak from the cyakers after a budget reading

Yeah I didn't expect hybrids to take off the way they did here - but Vezel, Aqua and Fielder became real popular fast - Ioniq and Niro sold pretty well too.

[A172]

the electric Ioniq is the only car benefitting from this locally but even when it was tax free before, how much ppl really buy that

[pugboy]

yeah it is not an automatic switchover for ppl when the maths and logistics of types of ev are considered
why did barbados have a fair bit of ev switchover ?
high fuel prices ?

[redmanjp]

if electricity prices increase x5 would it still be worth it?

[VII]

The thing is, this is the direction the world is going, like it or not, our petty issues won't make a difference, all major manufacturers will only have electric vehicles in years to come and major countries have set as close as 2030 as the dealine for electric only new car sales, that's the bigger picture, realize no one is asking what T&T thinks .

Getting a ICE engine car would be like trying to get a manual car now, very few choices. For the purists maybe only a few top of the line bespoke exotics would be available and out of the reach of most, as everything else market forces and other market dynamics will dictate the prices supply etc going forward and prices are set to reduce, and usability, durability, capacity, overall performance etc will increase, just think mobile phones and computers, look at what they cost in the early stages, they were out of the reach of most and very limited in their capability and practicality etc, just look at the vast difference in their capability and practicality now complimented by the relevant supporting infrastructure that never existed then .

I'm sure the switch from animal powered carts to petrol was met with similar challenges and resistance. There's still a concrete horse watering trauf in Laventille btw, right outside Success Composite .

So what we prefer and what we think really isn't relevant in the middle to long term, adapt or be prepared to water your horse and find a good wagon wheel shop.

[zoom rader]

The thing is, this is the direction the world is going, like it or not, our petty issues won't make a difference, all major manufacturers will only have electric vehicles in years to come and major countries have set as close as 2030 as the dealine for electric only new car sales, that's the bigger picture, realize no one is asking what T&T thinks .

Getting a ICE engine car would be like trying to get a manual car now, very few choices. For the purists maybe only a few top of the line bespoke exotics would be available and out of the reach of most, as everything else market forces and other market dynamics will dictate the prices supply etc going forward and prices are set to reduce, and usability, durability, capacity, overall performance etc will increase, just think mobile phones and computers, look at what they cost in the early stages, they were out of the reach of most, just look at the vast difference in their packaging capability and supporting infrastructure then and now.,

I'm sure the switch from animal powered carts to petrol was met with similar challenges and resistance. There's still a concrete horse watering trauf in Laventille btw, right outside Success Composite .

So what we prefer and what we think really isn't relevant in the middle to long term, adapt or be prepared to water your horse.

The Electric vehicle has been here over a 100 years.

They could not find a way to sell it and then they found greenhouse gases as a way to sell it.

What they not telling you is that process to manufacture the kart produces more greenhouse gases and then a hazard of waste disposal.

Big business don't care about greenhouse gases , your health or pollution. All that matters is their profits.

It's a con job for your money

[st7]

if electricity prices increase x5 would it still be worth it?

according to Massy, a full charge is around $18, and the Ioniq 2020 range is up to 270km (according to google)

[adnj]

Electric vehicles could cost less than $5,000 some day, Morgan Stanley analysts predict


A new electric car could eventually cost as little as $3,000, Morgan Stanley analysts said. 

The bank expects electric-vehicle prices to continue to drop for the next decade at least. 

Plummeting EV prices could render gas-powered cars completely obsolete, they said. 

https://www.businessinsider.com/electri ... e%20future.

[zoom rader]

Electric vehicles could cost less than $5,000 some day, Morgan Stanley analysts predict


A new electric car could eventually cost as little as $3,000, Morgan Stanley analysts said. 

The bank expects electric-vehicle prices to continue to drop for the next decade at least. 

Plummeting EV prices could render gas-powered cars completely obsolete, they said. 

https://www.businessinsider.com/electri ... e%20future.

The cost does not offset the impact of the greenhouse gases produced by the manufacturer of these karts

[VII]

The electric vehicle much like the computer and cell phone weren't practical as they're becoming now and were never really invested in or favored as they are now due to the complacency and comfort afforded by petrol and the exploits of fossil fuels, not to mention the negatives associated with emissions etc, whether we like it or not those days are coming to an end .


Whatever ills evs have instore for the environment well that's left to be seen,everything comes with a price as you know , but for now EVs are the future, and very near future too, no matter how much we beat up..

Very soon we'll be enchanted by the different screams of elecrtic motors and know them by name,size,sound, configuration,voltage , kilo wattage and performance etc. , and they will be swapped upgraded modified etc by a whole new generation of motor heads .


That's how I see it..

The thing is, this is the direction the world is going, like it or not, our petty issues won't make a difference, all major manufacturers will only have electric vehicles in years to come and major countries have set as close as 2030 as the dealine for electric only new car sales, that's the bigger picture, realize no one is asking what T&T thinks .

Getting a ICE engine car would be like trying to get a manual car now, very few choices. For the purists maybe only a few top of the line bespoke exotics would be available and out of the reach of most, as everything else market forces and other market dynamics will dictate the prices supply etc going forward and prices are set to reduce, and usability, durability, capacity, overall performance etc will increase, just think mobile phones and computers, look at what they cost in the early stages, they were out of the reach of most, just look at the vast difference in their packaging capability and supporting infrastructure then and now.,

I'm sure the switch from animal powered carts to petrol was met with similar challenges and resistance. There's still a concrete horse watering trauf in Laventille btw, right outside Success Composite .

So what we prefer and what we think really isn't relevant in the middle to long term, adapt or be prepared to water your horse.

The Electric vehicle has been here over a 100 years.

They could not find a way to sell it and then they found greenhouse gases as a way to sell it.

What they not telling you is that process to manufacture the kart produces more greenhouse gases and then a hazard of waste disposal.

Big business don't care about greenhouse gases , your health or pollution. All that matters is their profits.

It's a con job for your money

[zoom rader]

if electricity prices increase x5 would it still be worth it?

according to Massy, a full charge is around $18, and the Ioniq 2020 range is up to 270km (according to google)

Wait till the electricity rates goes up and when it's time to replace the lithium batteries.

[hover11]

if electricity prices increase x5 would it still be worth it?

according to Massy, a full charge is around $18, and the Ioniq 2020 range is up to 270km (according to google)

Wait till the electricity rates goes up and when it's time to replace the lithium batteries.

My thing is the resale value on those electric cars are deplorable, we have no scrap yard here so where are those ICE cars going when the transition occurs