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redmanjp wrote:but wait this is not d same place police tell them they can't be in dey yard? now he can't have a sign on the pavement
A business in St James at 9:29 p.m. with the front gate open and a sign still out on the curb looks suspicious to me.Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:^ this isn't a case where your house is on acres of land.
He was washing his car in his yard - I can't see any room for subjectivity there.
Yeah that kinda suspect.adnj wrote:A business in St James at 9:29 p.m. with the front gate open and a sign still out on the curb looks suspicious to me.Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:^ this isn't a case where your house is on acres of land.
He was washing his car in his yard - I can't see any room for subjectivity there.
It is difficult to claim trespass upon the grounds of a public business where those grounds are not clearly restricted from entry. Had the gate been closed and latched, yes. Otherwise, it's likely a hard sell to a judge. Perhaps impossible during a State of Emergency.timelapse wrote:Yeah that kinda suspect.adnj wrote:A business in St James at 9:29 p.m. with the front gate open and a sign still out on the curb looks suspicious to me.Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:^ this isn't a case where your house is on acres of land.
He was washing his car in his yard - I can't see any room for subjectivity there.
However, as that guy, I would have continued doing what I was doing if it was my personal car that I washing in my own yard.Any officer setting a toe on my property without a warrant was going to get some court time for trespassing and causing me distress.TT Pig Service need to stay in their lane.What determines my property is my land deed, so all of them could suck an egg as far as I concerned
Note, my front fence is about 3 feet inside my boundary because of flower plants etc.So they trespassing even without being in my yard
Moonilal: Opposition would not support SoE extension but beware 'tricky' PNM
Although the Prime Minister has indicated no desire to extend the state of emergency (SoE) beyond this month, the Constitution provides for the two Houses of Parliament to agree to an extension.
According to Section 10 (1) of the Constitution, once a SoE has run for six months and 15 days, it "may be further extended from time to time for not more than three months at any one time, by a resolution passed by both Houses of Parliament and supported by the votes of not less than three-fifths of all the members of each house."
One of the legal bases for declaring a SoE is if a public emergency has arisen as a result of the occurrence of an earthquake, hurricane, flood, fire, outbreak of pestilence or infectious disease or other calamity.
On May 15, the office of the President declared an SoE, which was extended for three months on May 24 and for another three months in August, to end in November.
Oropouche East MP Dr Roodal Moonilal said after six months, the extension has done little to stop the spread of covid19 and there is no way the Opposition would support such a measure.
“I have taken note of the Prime Minister’s comment on his arrival from Scotland, when he indicated Government will not seek an extension of the SoE.
“I want to remind him that he cannot seek an extension of the SoE, because they will get no support from the Opposition. The matter is a moot point. ”
Government has 22 seats while the Opposition has 19. The 22 was sufficient to pass the first extension, which was done via a simple majority.
However, Moonilal warned that while Government cannot proceed with a further extension, as this would require Opposition support in the House, it could introduce another SoE on December 1.
“The People’s National Movement (PNM) is known for its level of trickery and deception, and we must alert the national community that they can end the SoE on November 30 and reintroduce it on December 1 as a new SoE which does not require any opposition support."
Opposition Senator Wade Mark made a similar statement at a UNC press conference earlier Sunday.
He said, "The state of emergency being lifted, I want to remind this country, do not trust the Prime Minister. He has a forked tongue...
“Remember when he told us Petrotrin is not closing down. And if you are closing your fridge and you did not hear me, ‘Petrotrin is not closing down.’ Well, he destroyed Petrotrin.”
He added, "So you can’t trust this Prime Minister. So we await to see if his word has any meaning or if he was just again mamaguying the population.”
Leader of the Movement for Social Justice (MSJ) David Abdulah agreed that Rowley’s announcement not to seek a further extension was a foregone conclusion.
“That was plain for everybody to see. The Government only has the power to impose a SoE for six months. If the SoE is to continue it will require a special majority, that is, support of the Opposition in both the House and the Senate."
He said while Government may have been able to influence the Independent bench in the Senate to vote in favour of the SoE, with a 22/19 combination in the House, Abdulah said it is a foregone conclusion it was unlikely the Opposition would support it.
“So the SoE and curfew would come to an end in November, we all forecast that. So it is no big news. It is no major development in Trinidad and Tobago. Just the likely political outcome.”
Sections 7 though 12 of the Constitution set out the legal basis for declaring that a state of emergency exists. Per ss. 8 (2), the President may make a proclamation that a “state of public emergency” exists if she is satisfied:
“(a) that a public emergency has arisen as a result of the imminence of a state of war between Trinidad and Tobago and a foreign State;
(b) that a public emergency has arisen as a result of the occurrence of any earthquake, hurricane, flood, fire, outbreak of pestilence or of infectious disease, or other calamity whether similar to the foregoing or not; or
(c) that action has been taken, or is immediately threatened, by any person, of such a nature and on so extensive a scale, as to be likely to endanger the public safety or to deprive the community or any substantial portion of the community of supplies or services essential to life.”
redmanjp wrote:so the Govt cant extend the SOE without Opposition support. What's to stop them from declaring a brand new SOE?
https://newsday.co.tt/2021/11/08/moonilal-opposition-would-not-support-soe-extension-but-beware-tricky-pnm/
[spoiler]Moonilal: Opposition would not support SoE extension but beware 'tricky' PNM
Although the Prime Minister has indicated no desire to extend the state of emergency (SoE) beyond this month, the Constitution provides for the two Houses of Parliament to agree to an extension.
According to Section 10 (1) of the Constitution, once a SoE has run for six months and 15 days, it "may be further extended from time to time for not more than three months at any one time, by a resolution passed by both Houses of Parliament and supported by the votes of not less than three-fifths of all the members of each house."
One of the legal bases for declaring a SoE is if a public emergency has arisen as a result of the occurrence of an earthquake, hurricane, flood, fire, outbreak of pestilence or infectious disease or other calamity.
On May 15, the office of the President declared an SoE, which was extended for three months on May 24 and for another three months in August, to end in November.
Oropouche East MP Dr Roodal Moonilal said after six months, the extension has done little to stop the spread of covid19 and there is no way the Opposition would support such a measure.
“I have taken note of the Prime Minister’s comment on his arrival from Scotland, when he indicated Government will not seek an extension of the SoE.
“I want to remind him that he cannot seek an extension of the SoE, because they will get no support from the Opposition. The matter is a moot point. ”
Government has 22 seats while the Opposition has 19. The 22 was sufficient to pass the first extension, which was done via a simple majority.
However, Moonilal warned that while Government cannot proceed with a further extension, as this would require Opposition support in the House, it could introduce another SoE on December 1.
“The People’s National Movement (PNM) is known for its level of trickery and deception, and we must alert the national community that they can end the SoE on November 30 and reintroduce it on December 1 as a new SoE which does not require any opposition support."
Opposition Senator Wade Mark made a similar statement at a UNC press conference earlier Sunday.
He said, "The state of emergency being lifted, I want to remind this country, do not trust the Prime Minister. He has a forked tongue...
“Remember when he told us Petrotrin is not closing down. And if you are closing your fridge and you did not hear me, ‘Petrotrin is not closing down.’ Well, he destroyed Petrotrin.”
He added, "So you can’t trust this Prime Minister. So we await to see if his word has any meaning or if he was just again mamaguying the population.”
Leader of the Movement for Social Justice (MSJ) David Abdulah agreed that Rowley’s announcement not to seek a further extension was a foregone conclusion.
“That was plain for everybody to see. The Government only has the power to impose a SoE for six months. If the SoE is to continue it will require a special majority, that is, support of the Opposition in both the House and the Senate."
He said while Government may have been able to influence the Independent bench in the Senate to vote in favour of the SoE, with a 22/19 combination in the House, Abdulah said it is a foregone conclusion it was unlikely the Opposition would support it.
“So the SoE and curfew would come to an end in November, we all forecast that. So it is no big news. It is no major development in Trinidad and Tobago. Just the likely political outcome.”
Sections 7 though 12 of the Constitution set out the legal basis for declaring that a state of emergency exists. Per ss. 8 (2), the President may make a proclamation that a “state of public emergency” exists if she is satisfied:
“(a) that a public emergency has arisen as a result of the imminence of a state of war between Trinidad and Tobago and a foreign State;
(b) that a public emergency has arisen as a result of the occurrence of any earthquake, hurricane, flood, fire, outbreak of pestilence or of infectious disease, or other calamity whether similar to the foregoing or not; or
(c) that action has been taken, or is immediately threatened, by any person, of such a nature and on so extensive a scale, as to be likely to endanger the public safety or to deprive the community or any substantial portion of the community of supplies or services essential to life.”
redmanjp wrote:so the Govt cant extend the SOE without Opposition support. What's to stop them from declaring a brand new SOE?
https://newsday.co.tt/2021/11/08/moonilal-opposition-would-not-support-soe-extension-but-beware-tricky-pnm/Moonilal: Opposition would not support SoE extension but beware 'tricky' PNM
Although the Prime Minister has indicated no desire to extend the state of emergency (SoE) beyond this month, the Constitution provides for the two Houses of Parliament to agree to an extension.
According to Section 10 (1) of the Constitution, once a SoE has run for six months and 15 days, it "may be further extended from time to time for not more than three months at any one time, by a resolution passed by both Houses of Parliament and supported by the votes of not less than three-fifths of all the members of each house."
One of the legal bases for declaring a SoE is if a public emergency has arisen as a result of the occurrence of an earthquake, hurricane, flood, fire, outbreak of pestilence or infectious disease or other calamity.
On May 15, the office of the President declared an SoE, which was extended for three months on May 24 and for another three months in August, to end in November.
Oropouche East MP Dr Roodal Moonilal said after six months, the extension has done little to stop the spread of covid19 and there is no way the Opposition would support such a measure.
“I have taken note of the Prime Minister’s comment on his arrival from Scotland, when he indicated Government will not seek an extension of the SoE.
“I want to remind him that he cannot seek an extension of the SoE, because they will get no support from the Opposition. The matter is a moot point. ”
Government has 22 seats while the Opposition has 19. The 22 was sufficient to pass the first extension, which was done via a simple majority.
However, Moonilal warned that while Government cannot proceed with a further extension, as this would require Opposition support in the House, it could introduce another SoE on December 1.
“The People’s National Movement (PNM) is known for its level of trickery and deception, and we must alert the national community that they can end the SoE on November 30 and reintroduce it on December 1 as a new SoE which does not require any opposition support."
Opposition Senator Wade Mark made a similar statement at a UNC press conference earlier Sunday.
He said, "The state of emergency being lifted, I want to remind this country, do not trust the Prime Minister. He has a forked tongue...
“Remember when he told us Petrotrin is not closing down. And if you are closing your fridge and you did not hear me, ‘Petrotrin is not closing down.’ Well, he destroyed Petrotrin.”
He added, "So you can’t trust this Prime Minister. So we await to see if his word has any meaning or if he was just again mamaguying the population.”
Leader of the Movement for Social Justice (MSJ) David Abdulah agreed that Rowley’s announcement not to seek a further extension was a foregone conclusion.
“That was plain for everybody to see. The Government only has the power to impose a SoE for six months. If the SoE is to continue it will require a special majority, that is, support of the Opposition in both the House and the Senate."
He said while Government may have been able to influence the Independent bench in the Senate to vote in favour of the SoE, with a 22/19 combination in the House, Abdulah said it is a foregone conclusion it was unlikely the Opposition would support it.
“So the SoE and curfew would come to an end in November, we all forecast that. So it is no big news. It is no major development in Trinidad and Tobago. Just the likely political outcome.”
agent007 wrote:Would the end of the SoE also mean that beaches will reopen? So things would be back to ‘normal’ on Dec 1st? Appreciate clarification and feedback, thanks.
Dizzy28 wrote:The public health ordinance has enough teeth to cover things like a curfew. Was the SoE really necessary is debatable.agent007 wrote:Would the end of the SoE also mean that beaches will reopen? So things would be back to ‘normal’ on Dec 1st? Appreciate clarification and feedback, thanks.
More like aiiiiiiii aiiiiiiii...bile-ah bile-ah muchacha.MaxPower wrote:Eeeeee awwwww eeeeee awwwwwww….
The sound of the Donkeys as they await the removal of the SOE.
Dizzy28 wrote:The public health ordinance has enough teeth to cover things like a curfew. Was the SoE really necessary is debatable.agent007 wrote:Would the end of the SoE also mean that beaches will reopen? So things would be back to ‘normal’ on Dec 1st? Appreciate clarification and feedback, thanks.
redmanjp wrote:Dizzy28 wrote:The public health ordinance has enough teeth to cover things like a curfew. Was the SoE really necessary is debatable.agent007 wrote:Would the end of the SoE also mean that beaches will reopen? So things would be back to ‘normal’ on Dec 1st? Appreciate clarification and feedback, thanks.
not really. the pm himself confirmed u cant have a curfew without an SOE. what the ordinance can do is limit gatherings and close businesses at certain times (maybe u can call it a pseudo curfew as u have nowhere to go except home limes) which is what was in place before the SOE.
beaches were closed under the ordinance last year long before the SOE. we eh going back to normal after- in fact the way delta spreading we may have to roll back a bit. and as i said the PM can always call a brand new SOE.
Ben_spanna wrote:Still dont understand how bars can open but keep beaches closed, makes no sense, they could open up beaches and leave RIVER limes closed.. its a different kind of behavior at each venue...
teems1 wrote:Ben_spanna wrote:Still dont understand how bars can open but keep beaches closed, makes no sense, they could open up beaches and leave RIVER limes closed.. its a different kind of behavior at each venue...
It's the carrot by which they are trying to get Trinis to vaccinate.
Currently our vaccination count is approx 600k, within a population of 1.4m
Only 42%. We need to get that number much higher, somewhere in the 75% range before things can normalize.
Too many antivax morons in Trinidad keeping back production.
teems1 wrote:Ben_spanna wrote:Still dont understand how bars can open but keep beaches closed, makes no sense, they could open up beaches and leave RIVER limes closed.. its a different kind of behavior at each venue...
It's the carrot by which they are trying to get Trinis to vaccinate.
Currently our vaccination count is approx 600k, within a population of 1.4m
Only 42%. We need to get that number much higher, somewhere in the 75% range before things can normalize.
Too many antivax morons in Trinidad keeping back production.
These are what that makes a slavedaring dragoon wrote:teems1 wrote:Ben_spanna wrote:Still dont understand how bars can open but keep beaches closed, makes no sense, they could open up beaches and leave RIVER limes closed.. its a different kind of behavior at each venue...
It's the carrot by which they are trying to get Trinis to vaccinate.
Currently our vaccination count is approx 600k, within a population of 1.4m
Only 42%. We need to get that number much higher, somewhere in the 75% range before things can normalize.
Too many antivax morons in Trinidad keeping back production.
This is T& T. The govt puttin emphasis on the wrong thing. They need to put emphasis on what people want
FREE white oak
Free kfc
Free food card
Free cell phone
Feee ham an turkey
Free christmas hamper
An in now for now entire laventille / east west corridor
R vaccinated.
zoom rader wrote:These are what that makes a slavedaring dragoon wrote:teems1 wrote:Ben_spanna wrote:Still dont understand how bars can open but keep beaches closed, makes no sense, they could open up beaches and leave RIVER limes closed.. its a different kind of behavior at each venue...
It's the carrot by which they are trying to get Trinis to vaccinate.
Currently our vaccination count is approx 600k, within a population of 1.4m
Only 42%. We need to get that number much higher, somewhere in the 75% range before things can normalize.
Too many antivax morons in Trinidad keeping back production.
This is T& T. The govt puttin emphasis on the wrong thing. They need to put emphasis on what people want
FREE white oak
Free kfc
Free food card
Free cell phone
Feee ham an turkey
Free christmas hamper
An in now for now entire laventille / east west corridor
R vaccinated.
redmanjp wrote:teems1 wrote:Ben_spanna wrote:Still dont understand how bars can open but keep beaches closed, makes no sense, they could open up beaches and leave RIVER limes closed.. its a different kind of behavior at each venue...
It's the carrot by which they are trying to get Trinis to vaccinate.
Currently our vaccination count is approx 600k, within a population of 1.4m
Only 42%. We need to get that number much higher, somewhere in the 75% range before things can normalize.
Too many antivax morons in Trinidad keeping back production.
then he should make it ah safe zone then?
SR wrote:River lime down the islands lime
Same thing
Prove me wrong
daring dragoon wrote:zoom rader wrote:These are what that makes a slavedaring dragoon wrote:teems1 wrote:Ben_spanna wrote:Still dont understand how bars can open but keep beaches closed, makes no sense, they could open up beaches and leave RIVER limes closed.. its a different kind of behavior at each venue...
It's the carrot by which they are trying to get Trinis to vaccinate.
Currently our vaccination count is approx 600k, within a population of 1.4m
Only 42%. We need to get that number much higher, somewhere in the 75% range before things can normalize.
Too many antivax morons in Trinidad keeping back production.
This is T& T. The govt puttin emphasis on the wrong thing. They need to put emphasis on what people want
FREE white oak
Free kfc
Free food card
Free cell phone
Feee ham an turkey
Free christmas hamper
An in now for now entire laventille / east west corridor
R vaccinated.
giving people free ting to get the vaccine will work in TT
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