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So who won the pandemic debate?

Poll ended at August 3rd, 2023, 3:48 pm

Antivaxxers - Ah still alive! babylon cyah kill me!
6
43%
Covidians - Small pin does chook hard but it save the world.
6
43%
Me eh care - Allyuh keep arguing nah man, ah wining on dis bumper right here.
2
14%
 
Total votes: 14

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Re: COVID-19 in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby adnj » March 11th, 2023, 2:21 pm

sMASH wrote:Remember the time the authorities said that children were at risk for covee and spent money to post nurses outside schools to intimidate parents into injecting their children?

Remember how many children bodies all in front the schools because most parents didn't succumb?

Remember how many stats about children falling like flies got posted here by the bricks, to go along with the narrative...


COVID was found to be the number one cause of death by an infectious disease among children in the US.

COVID was also found to be substantially more deadly to children and young people in the US than hepatitis A, rotavirus, rubella, and measles in the years preceeding vaccine availability for those diseases.



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COVID-19 was the eighth leading cause of death among U.S. children and young people between August 2021 and July 2022, new research shows.

Throughout the same period, COVID-19 was the top cause of death from an infectious or respiratory disease among children, while deaths were the highest in this age group during the delta and omicron waves.

Findings are based on information gleaned from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Wide-Ranging Online Data for Epidemiologic Research (WONDER) database.

“These results demonstrate that while it’s rare for kids and teens to die in the US, COVID-19 is now the leading underlying cause of death from infectious disease for this age group,” said lead study author Seth Flaxman, an associate professor in the department of computer science at the University of Oxford.

“Many of the 82 million American children and young people were infected during the big Delta and Omicron waves, and as a result more than 1,300 children and young people have died from COVID-19 during the pandemic, most in the last two years,” Flaxman said in a statement.

During the time period studied, COVID-19 accounted for 2 percent of all causes of death among Americans aged 0 to 19. Children under the age of one year were the most vulnerable to COVID-19, with a death rate of 4 per 100,000.

Overall, the COVID-19 death rate among those from age 0 to 19 was one per 100,000. The disease ranked ahead of influenza and pneumonia, which collectively had a death rate of 0.6 per 100,000 young people.

Perinatal conditions were the leading cause of death, with a rate of 12.7 per 100,000.

Taken together, the findings show “COVID-19 is far from a harmless infection in children,” said study author Oliver Ratmann of the department of mathematics at Imperial College London.

Researchers also looked at data collected as early as 2019 to better understand COVID-19 death rates before vaccines were available.

“If you look at infectious diseases in children in the US historically, in the period before vaccines became available, hepatitis A, rotavirus, rubella, and measles were all major causes of death,” said author Robbie M. Parks, an assistant professor at the Mailman School of Public Health at Colombia University.

“But when we compared those diseases to COVID-19, we found that COVID-19 caused substantially more deaths in children and young people than those other diseases did before vaccines became available.”

Due to underreporting and other factors, researchers note their estimates may understate the actual mortality burden of COVID-19 in this age group. The study also focused on deaths directly caused by COVID-19, and not those where COVID-19 was listed as a contributing cause.

As COVID-19 variants continue to circulate, researchers stress vaccinations, ventilation and staying home while sick is still important to help limit transmission and mitigate severe disease in this age group.


https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/3 ... -us-study/

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Re: COVID-19 in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby adnj » March 11th, 2023, 2:40 pm

sMASH wrote:tHe ScIeNcE cHaNgEd.

Lol, natural immunity always is better and lasts longer than artificial.

Rapid mutating viruses always mutate down to be more transmissible, and less lethal

Lolllll @ telling people bill gates garbage that natural immunity lasts 4 months... Go and jab.
Lolll

Tune change now tho.. Lol
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SARS-CoV-2 Infection, Hospitalization, and Death in Vaccinated and Infected Individuals

Conclusions. The significantly lower rates of all-cause ED visits, hospitalizations, and mortality in the vaccinated highlight the real-world benefits of vaccination. The data raise questions about the wisdom of reliance on natural immunity when safe and effective vaccines are available.

https://www.regenstrief.org/article/rea ... -immunity/

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Re: COVID-19 in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby sMASH » March 11th, 2023, 3:06 pm

adnj wrote:
sMASH wrote:Remember the time the authorities said that children were at risk for covee and spent money to post nurses outside schools to intimidate parents into injecting their children?

Remember how many children bodies all in front the schools because most parents didn't succumb?

Remember how many stats about children falling like flies got posted here by the bricks, to go along with the narrative...


COVID was found to be the number one cause of death by an infectious disease among children in the US.

COVID was also found to be substantially more deadly to children and young people in the US than hepatitis A, rotavirus, rubella, and measles in the years preceeding vaccine availability for those diseases.



Image

COVID-19 was the eighth leading cause of death among U.S. children and young people between August 2021 and July 2022, new research shows.

Throughout the same period, COVID-19 was the top cause of death from an infectious or respiratory disease among children, while deaths were the highest in this age group during the delta and omicron waves.

Findings are based on information gleaned from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Wide-Ranging Online Data for Epidemiologic Research (WONDER) database.

“These results demonstrate that while it’s rare for kids and teens to die in the US, COVID-19 is now the leading underlying cause of death from infectious disease for this age group,” said lead study author Seth Flaxman, an associate professor in the department of computer science at the University of Oxford.

“Many of the 82 million American children and young people were infected during the big Delta and Omicron waves, and as a result more than 1,300 children and young people have died from COVID-19 during the pandemic, most in the last two years,” Flaxman said in a statement.

During the time period studied, COVID-19 accounted for 2 percent of all causes of death among Americans aged 0 to 19. Children under the age of one year were the most vulnerable to COVID-19, with a death rate of 4 per 100,000.

Overall, the COVID-19 death rate among those from age 0 to 19 was one per 100,000. The disease ranked ahead of influenza and pneumonia, which collectively had a death rate of 0.6 per 100,000 young people.

Perinatal conditions were the leading cause of death, with a rate of 12.7 per 100,000.

Taken together, the findings show “COVID-19 is far from a harmless infection in children,” said study author Oliver Ratmann of the department of mathematics at Imperial College London.

Researchers also looked at data collected as early as 2019 to better understand COVID-19 death rates before vaccines were available.

“If you look at infectious diseases in children in the US historically, in the period before vaccines became available, hepatitis A, rotavirus, rubella, and measles were all major causes of death,” said author Robbie M. Parks, an assistant professor at the Mailman School of Public Health at Colombia University.

“But when we compared those diseases to COVID-19, we found that COVID-19 caused substantially more deaths in children and young people than those other diseases did before vaccines became available.”

Due to underreporting and other factors, researchers note their estimates may understate the actual mortality burden of COVID-19 in this age group. The study also focused on deaths directly caused by COVID-19, and not those where COVID-19 was listed as a contributing cause.

As COVID-19 variants continue to circulate, researchers stress vaccinations, ventilation and staying home while sick is still important to help limit transmission and mitigate severe disease in this age group.


https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/3 ... -us-study/
Among top 10, is not #1.

More fake posts...
About America, that dies not apply to Bryan Lara promenade

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Re: COVID-19 in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby drchaos » March 11th, 2023, 3:10 pm

adnj wrote:
sMASH wrote:tHe ScIeNcE cHaNgEd.

Lol, natural immunity always is better and lasts longer than artificial.

Rapid mutating viruses always mutate down to be more transmissible, and less lethal

Lolllll @ telling people bill gates garbage that natural immunity lasts 4 months... Go and jab.
Lolll

Tune change now tho.. Lol
Image

SARS-CoV-2 Infection, Hospitalization, and Death in Vaccinated and Infected Individuals

Conclusions. The significantly lower rates of all-cause ED visits, hospitalizations, and mortality in the vaccinated highlight the real-world benefits of vaccination. The data raise questions about the wisdom of reliance on natural immunity when safe and effective vaccines are available.

https://www.regenstrief.org/article/rea ... -immunity/


All Cause death :lol: :lol: :lol:

Fellars go and get yuh vaccine it even reducing your chance from dying in car accidents or being murdered in gangland trinidad vs having natural immunity :lol:

The sheit these people does come out with and then their ass to mouthpieces like adnj does just regurgitate for all to see.

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Re: COVID-19 in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby drchaos » March 11th, 2023, 3:11 pm

sMASH wrote:
adnj wrote:
sMASH wrote:Remember the time the authorities said that children were at risk for covee and spent money to post nurses outside schools to intimidate parents into injecting their children?

Remember how many children bodies all in front the schools because most parents didn't succumb?

Remember how many stats about children falling like flies got posted here by the bricks, to go along with the narrative...


COVID was found to be the number one cause of death by an infectious disease among children in the US.

COVID was also found to be substantially more deadly to children and young people in the US than hepatitis A, rotavirus, rubella, and measles in the years preceeding vaccine availability for those diseases.



Image

COVID-19 was the eighth leading cause of death among U.S. children and young people between August 2021 and July 2022, new research shows.

Throughout the same period, COVID-19 was the top cause of death from an infectious or respiratory disease among children, while deaths were the highest in this age group during the delta and omicron waves.

Findings are based on information gleaned from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Wide-Ranging Online Data for Epidemiologic Research (WONDER) database.

“These results demonstrate that while it’s rare for kids and teens to die in the US, COVID-19 is now the leading underlying cause of death from infectious disease for this age group,” said lead study author Seth Flaxman, an associate professor in the department of computer science at the University of Oxford.

“Many of the 82 million American children and young people were infected during the big Delta and Omicron waves, and as a result more than 1,300 children and young people have died from COVID-19 during the pandemic, most in the last two years,” Flaxman said in a statement.

During the time period studied, COVID-19 accounted for 2 percent of all causes of death among Americans aged 0 to 19. Children under the age of one year were the most vulnerable to COVID-19, with a death rate of 4 per 100,000.

Overall, the COVID-19 death rate among those from age 0 to 19 was one per 100,000. The disease ranked ahead of influenza and pneumonia, which collectively had a death rate of 0.6 per 100,000 young people.

Perinatal conditions were the leading cause of death, with a rate of 12.7 per 100,000.

Taken together, the findings show “COVID-19 is far from a harmless infection in children,” said study author Oliver Ratmann of the department of mathematics at Imperial College London.

Researchers also looked at data collected as early as 2019 to better understand COVID-19 death rates before vaccines were available.

“If you look at infectious diseases in children in the US historically, in the period before vaccines became available, hepatitis A, rotavirus, rubella, and measles were all major causes of death,” said author Robbie M. Parks, an assistant professor at the Mailman School of Public Health at Colombia University.

“But when we compared those diseases to COVID-19, we found that COVID-19 caused substantially more deaths in children and young people than those other diseases did before vaccines became available.”

Due to underreporting and other factors, researchers note their estimates may understate the actual mortality burden of COVID-19 in this age group. The study also focused on deaths directly caused by COVID-19, and not those where COVID-19 was listed as a contributing cause.

As COVID-19 variants continue to circulate, researchers stress vaccinations, ventilation and staying home while sick is still important to help limit transmission and mitigate severe disease in this age group.


https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/3 ... -us-study/
Among top 10, is not #1.

More fake posts...
About America, that dies not apply to Bryan Lara promenade


Man cah tell the difference between number 1 and top 10 :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: COVID-19 in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby sMASH » March 11th, 2023, 3:13 pm

drchaos wrote:
adnj wrote:
sMASH wrote:tHe ScIeNcE cHaNgEd.

Lol, natural immunity always is better and lasts longer than artificial.

Rapid mutating viruses always mutate down to be more transmissible, and less lethal

Lolllll @ telling people bill gates garbage that natural immunity lasts 4 months... Go and jab.
Lolll

Tune change now tho.. Lol
Image

SARS-CoV-2 Infection, Hospitalization, and Death in Vaccinated and Infected Individuals

Conclusions. The significantly lower rates of all-cause ED visits, hospitalizations, and mortality in the vaccinated highlight the real-world benefits of vaccination. The data raise questions about the wisdom of reliance on natural immunity when safe and effective vaccines are available.

https://www.regenstrief.org/article/rea ... -immunity/


All Cause death

Fellars go and get yuh vaccine it even reducing your chance from dying in car accidents or being murdered in gangland trinidad vs having natural immunity

The sheit these people does come out with and then their ass to mouthpieces like adnj does just regurgitate for all to see.
He neeeeeds to boost evry 4 months.

Cause natural immunity is rubbish compared to the booster. It's the ONLY sure way to beat covid... That's what bricks said...
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Re: COVID-19 in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby adnj » March 11th, 2023, 3:52 pm

drchaos wrote:
sMASH wrote:
adnj wrote:
sMASH wrote:Remember the time the authorities said that children were at risk for covee and spent money to post nurses outside schools to intimidate parents into injecting their children?

Remember how many children bodies all in front the schools because most parents didn't succumb?

Remember how many stats about children falling like flies got posted here by the bricks, to go along with the narrative...


COVID was found to be the number one cause of death by an infectious disease among children in the US.

COVID was also found to be substantially more deadly to children and young people in the US than hepatitis A, rotavirus, rubella, and measles in the years preceeding vaccine availability for those diseases.



Image

COVID-19 was the eighth leading cause of death among U.S. children and young people between August 2021 and July 2022, new research shows.

Throughout the same period, COVID-19 was the top cause of death from an infectious or respiratory disease among children, while deaths were the highest in this age group during the delta and omicron waves.

Findings are based on information gleaned from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Wide-Ranging Online Data for Epidemiologic Research (WONDER) database.

“These results demonstrate that while it’s rare for kids and teens to die in the US, COVID-19 is now the leading underlying cause of death from infectious disease for this age group,” said lead study author Seth Flaxman, an associate professor in the department of computer science at the University of Oxford.

“Many of the 82 million American children and young people were infected during the big Delta and Omicron waves, and as a result more than 1,300 children and young people have died from COVID-19 during the pandemic, most in the last two years,” Flaxman said in a statement.

During the time period studied, COVID-19 accounted for 2 percent of all causes of death among Americans aged 0 to 19. Children under the age of one year were the most vulnerable to COVID-19, with a death rate of 4 per 100,000.

Overall, the COVID-19 death rate among those from age 0 to 19 was one per 100,000. The disease ranked ahead of influenza and pneumonia, which collectively had a death rate of 0.6 per 100,000 young people.

Perinatal conditions were the leading cause of death, with a rate of 12.7 per 100,000.

Taken together, the findings show “COVID-19 is far from a harmless infection in children,” said study author Oliver Ratmann of the department of mathematics at Imperial College London.

Researchers also looked at data collected as early as 2019 to better understand COVID-19 death rates before vaccines were available.

“If you look at infectious diseases in children in the US historically, in the period before vaccines became available, hepatitis A, rotavirus, rubella, and measles were all major causes of death,” said author Robbie M. Parks, an assistant professor at the Mailman School of Public Health at Colombia University.

“But when we compared those diseases to COVID-19, we found that COVID-19 caused substantially more deaths in children and young people than those other diseases did before vaccines became available.”

Due to underreporting and other factors, researchers note their estimates may understate the actual mortality burden of COVID-19 in this age group. The study also focused on deaths directly caused by COVID-19, and not those where COVID-19 was listed as a contributing cause.

As COVID-19 variants continue to circulate, researchers stress vaccinations, ventilation and staying home while sick is still important to help limit transmission and mitigate severe disease in this age group.


https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/3 ... -us-study/
Among top 10, is not #1.

More fake posts...
About America, that dies not apply to Bryan Lara promenade


Man cah tell the difference between number 1 and top 10 :lol: :lol: :lol:


While you were giggling, you missed this:

Throughout the same period, COVID-19 was the top cause of death from an infectious or respiratory disease among children, while deaths were the highest in this age group during the delta and omicron waves.


Compare it with this:
COVID was found to be the number one cause of death by an infectious disease among children in the US.


Do you see something that you couldn't see before?

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Re: COVID-19 in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby sMASH » March 11th, 2023, 5:32 pm

adnj wrote:
drchaos wrote:
sMASH wrote:
adnj wrote:
sMASH wrote:Remember the time the authorities said that children were at risk for covee and spent money to post nurses outside schools to intimidate parents into injecting their children?

Remember how many children bodies all in front the schools because most parents didn't succumb?

Remember how many stats about children falling like flies got posted here by the bricks, to go along with the narrative...


COVID was found to be the number one cause of death by an infectious disease among children in the US.

COVID was also found to be substantially more deadly to children and young people in the US than hepatitis A, rotavirus, rubella, and measles in the years preceeding vaccine availability for those diseases.



Image

COVID-19 was the eighth leading cause of death among U.S. children and young people between August 2021 and July 2022, new research shows.

Throughout the same period, COVID-19 was the top cause of death from an infectious or respiratory disease among children, while deaths were the highest in this age group during the delta and omicron waves.

Findings are based on information gleaned from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Wide-Ranging Online Data for Epidemiologic Research (WONDER) database.

“These results demonstrate that while it’s rare for kids and teens to die in the US, COVID-19 is now the leading underlying cause of death from infectious disease for this age group,” said lead study author Seth Flaxman, an associate professor in the department of computer science at the University of Oxford.

“Many of the 82 million American children and young people were infected during the big Delta and Omicron waves, and as a result more than 1,300 children and young people have died from COVID-19 during the pandemic, most in the last two years,” Flaxman said in a statement.

During the time period studied, COVID-19 accounted for 2 percent of all causes of death among Americans aged 0 to 19. Children under the age of one year were the most vulnerable to COVID-19, with a death rate of 4 per 100,000.

Overall, the COVID-19 death rate among those from age 0 to 19 was one per 100,000. The disease ranked ahead of influenza and pneumonia, which collectively had a death rate of 0.6 per 100,000 young people.

Perinatal conditions were the leading cause of death, with a rate of 12.7 per 100,000.

Taken together, the findings show “COVID-19 is far from a harmless infection in children,” said study author Oliver Ratmann of the department of mathematics at Imperial College London.

Researchers also looked at data collected as early as 2019 to better understand COVID-19 death rates before vaccines were available.

“If you look at infectious diseases in children in the US historically, in the period before vaccines became available, hepatitis A, rotavirus, rubella, and measles were all major causes of death,” said author Robbie M. Parks, an assistant professor at the Mailman School of Public Health at Colombia University.

“But when we compared those diseases to COVID-19, we found that COVID-19 caused substantially more deaths in children and young people than those other diseases did before vaccines became available.”

Due to underreporting and other factors, researchers note their estimates may understate the actual mortality burden of COVID-19 in this age group. The study also focused on deaths directly caused by COVID-19, and not those where COVID-19 was listed as a contributing cause.

As COVID-19 variants continue to circulate, researchers stress vaccinations, ventilation and staying home while sick is still important to help limit transmission and mitigate severe disease in this age group.


https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/3 ... -us-study/
Among top 10, is not #1.

More fake posts...
About America, that dies not apply to Bryan Lara promenade


Man cah tell the difference between number 1 and top 10


While you were giggling, you missed this:

Throughout the same period, COVID-19 was the top cause of death from an infectious or respiratory disease among children, while deaths were the highest in this age group during the delta and omicron waves.


Compare it with this:
COVID was found to be the number one cause of death by an infectious disease among children in the US.


Do you see something that you couldn't see before?
Here too, and the bodies pulled up outside the school gates... fuss It was the the leading cause of infectious deaths.

Being the brightest pnm in a room, isn't necessarily being bright.


Lies, damn lies, and statistics.



What is the comparative figure... 135x more likely to die from covee than the flu if the covee child is comorbid and the flu child is fit.

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Re: COVID-19 in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby adnj » March 11th, 2023, 6:24 pm

It's always going to be a lie - when it defies the peculiarities of a sMASH reality.

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Re: COVID-19 in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby sMASH » March 11th, 2023, 7:39 pm

It's gong to be a lie if adnj and other bricks decide to parrot it out.

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Re: COVID-19 in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby sMASH » March 11th, 2023, 7:44 pm

Does in make sense? Meh
Does the authorities say it's true? Yessss, let's take it for gospel, wholesale!

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Re: COVID-19 in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby sMASH » March 11th, 2023, 7:47 pm

-Take this chemical to stop transmission.
-Whats the rate of transmission?
-Meem kno, they didn't do that test.
-So what makes u think it will stop transmission?
-think? We dint think, we just parrot and demonize. Dumb bricks don't think... Tsk Tsk.

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Re: COVID-19 in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby adnj » March 11th, 2023, 8:08 pm

sMASH wrote:It's gong to be a lie if adnj and other bricks decide to parrot it out.
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Re: COVID-19 in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby sMASH » March 11th, 2023, 9:07 pm

Omg, the Vax saved Africa,,

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Re: COVID-19 in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby adnj » March 11th, 2023, 9:52 pm

sMASH wrote:Omg, the Vax saved Africa,,


Apparently, all of Africa isn't Africa - they must be lying and skewing. But Nicaragua is looking pretty good.

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Re: COVID-19 in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby sMASH » March 12th, 2023, 8:33 am

And african isn't the western world. Which should adopt which practise

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Re: COVID-19 in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby adnj » March 12th, 2023, 9:20 am

sMASH wrote:And african isn't the western world. Which should adopt which practise
How long do you plan on trying to keep doing this show? You're running out of material.

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Re: COVID-19 in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby sMASH » March 12th, 2023, 9:51 am

My material ran out the day omicron came on the scene...

Im waiting on the autopsies of more "suddenlies" to come out in the next few years.

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Re: COVID-19 in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby adnj » March 12th, 2023, 9:59 am

sMASH wrote:My material ran out the day omicron came on the scene...

Im waiting on the autopsies of more "suddenlies" to come out in the next few years.
Because being wrong all the time really hurts.

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Re: COVID-19 in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby daring dragoon » March 12th, 2023, 10:55 am

sMASH wrote:My material ran out the day omicron came on the scene...

Im waiting on the autopsies of more "suddenlies" to come out in the next few years.



doh worry. just google it like andy. google and paste to make people feel you know smthing.

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Re: COVID-19 in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby wing » March 12th, 2023, 11:22 am

daring dragoon wrote:
sMASH wrote:My material ran out the day omicron came on the scene...

Im waiting on the autopsies of more "suddenlies" to come out in the next few years.



doh worry. just google it like andy. google and paste to make people feel you know smthing.
How else can someone "know something?" Are you saying people who are not highly educated in a particular field, and get their information online don't really know what they are talking about? How do the rumshop "free thinkers" figure into all of this? Lastly, should we blame Kamla for the pandemic?

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Re: COVID-19 in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby sMASH » March 12th, 2023, 12:02 pm

Bring back covee safe zones, based on transmission reduction

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Re: COVID-19 in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby De Dragon » March 12th, 2023, 12:22 pm

wing wrote:
daring dragoon wrote:
sMASH wrote:My material ran out the day omicron came on the scene...

Im waiting on the autopsies of more "suddenlies" to come out in the next few years.



doh worry. just google it like andy. google and paste to make people feel you know smthing.
How else can someone "know something?" Are you saying people who are not highly educated in a particular field, and get their information online don't really know what they are talking about? How do the rumshop "free thinkers" figure into all of this? Lastly, should we blame Kamla for the pandemic?

There is information, and there is trusted information.
If your medical advice stems from what someone posted on FaceBook, well that's fine for you, but being hypocritical for demeaning people who choose to go a different route is, well hypocritical.

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Re: COVID-19 in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby adnj » March 12th, 2023, 6:46 pm

sMASH wrote:Umm. The data that Florida and UK used to ban them for those under 60.

The autopsies performed in Germany, that detected the mRNA spike protein damage in the Brain that I posted previously.

The excess deaths with 'suddenly' that are not covid related.

Many people in governments are asking questions and starting official data collection.

U will get ur data soon enough.


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The letter from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention was sent Friday to Florida Surgeon General Joseph Ladapo. It was a response to a letter Ladapo had written the agencies last month, expressing concerns about what he described as adverse effects from mRNA COVID-19 vaccines.

Ladapo was appointed by Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis in 2021 and has attracted national scrutiny over his close alignment with the governor in opposing COVID-19 vaccine mandates and other health policies embraced by the federal government.

Ladapo last year released guidance recommending against COVID-19 vaccinations for healthy children, contradicting federal public health leaders whose advice says all kids should get the shots.

He also has recommended against men ages 18 to 39 getting the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines, claiming that an analysis by the Florida Department of Health showed an 84% increase in cardiac-related deaths.

In their letter, the federal agencies debunked the analysis’ conclusion, saying that cardiovascular experts who studied the concern had concluded that the risk of strokes and heart attacks was lower in people who had been vaccinated, not higher.


https://apnews.com/article/florida-surg ... 8025882335

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Re: COVID-19 in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby sMASH » March 12th, 2023, 6:55 pm

adnj wrote:
sMASH wrote:Umm. The data that Florida and UK used to ban them for those under 60.

The autopsies performed in Germany, that detected the mRNA spike protein damage in the Brain that I posted previously.

The excess deaths with 'suddenly' that are not covid related.

Many people in governments are asking questions and starting official data collection.

U will get ur data soon enough.


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The letter from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention was sent Friday to Florida Surgeon General Joseph Ladapo. It was a response to a letter Ladapo had written the agencies last month, expressing concerns about what he described as adverse effects from mRNA COVID-19 vaccines.

Ladapo was appointed by Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis in 2021 and has attracted national scrutiny over his close alignment with the governor in opposing COVID-19 vaccine mandates and other health policies embraced by the federal government.

Ladapo last year released guidance recommending against COVID-19 vaccinations for healthy children, contradicting federal public health leaders whose advice says all kids should get the shots.

He also has recommended against men ages 18 to 39 getting the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines, claiming that an analysis by the Florida Department of Health showed an 84% increase in cardiac-related deaths.

In their letter, the federal agencies debunked the analysis’ conclusion, saying that cardiovascular experts who studied the concern had concluded that the risk of strokes and heart attacks was lower in people who had been vaccinated, not higher.


https://apnews.com/article/florida-surg ... 8025882335
Words with no data to bskc it up hence why Florida stays the course and UK on the quiet ban.

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Re: COVID-19 in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby sMASH » March 12th, 2023, 6:59 pm

sMASH wrote:
adnj wrote:
sMASH wrote:Umm. The data that Florida and UK used to ban them for those under 60.

The autopsies performed in Germany, that detected the mRNA spike protein damage in the Brain that I posted previously.

The excess deaths with 'suddenly' that are not covid related.

Many people in governments are asking questions and starting official data collection.

U will get ur data soon enough.


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The letter from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention was sent Friday to Florida Surgeon General Joseph Ladapo. It was a response to a letter Ladapo had written the agencies last month, expressing concerns about what he described as adverse effects from mRNA COVID-19 vaccines.

Ladapo was appointed by Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis in 2021 and has attracted national scrutiny over his close alignment with the governor in opposing COVID-19 vaccine mandates and other health policies embraced by the federal government.

Ladapo last year released guidance recommending against COVID-19 vaccinations for healthy children, contradicting federal public health leaders whose advice says all kids should get the shots.

He also has recommended against men ages 18 to 39 getting the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines, claiming that an analysis by the Florida Department of Health showed an 84% increase in cardiac-related deaths.

In their letter, the federal agencies debunked the analysis’ conclusion, saying that cardiovascular experts who studied the concern had concluded that the risk of strokes and heart attacks was lower in people who had been vaccinated, not higher.


https://apnews.com/article/florida-surg ... 8025882335
Words with no data to bskc it up hence why Florida stays the course and UK on the quiet ban.
Let me re phrase that.
The data that the federal Govt is pushing is not up to the standard that would compel Florida to change action. Federal have insufficient data to make that pronouncement.

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Re: COVID-19 in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby adnj » March 12th, 2023, 11:33 pm

sMASH wrote:
sMASH wrote:
adnj wrote:
sMASH wrote:Umm. The data that Florida and UK used to ban them for those under 60.

The autopsies performed in Germany, that detected the mRNA spike protein damage in the Brain that I posted previously.

The excess deaths with 'suddenly' that are not covid related.

Many people in governments are asking questions and starting official data collection.

U will get ur data soon enough.


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The letter from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention was sent Friday to Florida Surgeon General Joseph Ladapo. It was a response to a letter Ladapo had written the agencies last month, expressing concerns about what he described as adverse effects from mRNA COVID-19 vaccines.

Ladapo was appointed by Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis in 2021 and has attracted national scrutiny over his close alignment with the governor in opposing COVID-19 vaccine mandates and other health policies embraced by the federal government.

Ladapo last year released guidance recommending against COVID-19 vaccinations for healthy children, contradicting federal public health leaders whose advice says all kids should get the shots.

He also has recommended against men ages 18 to 39 getting the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines, claiming that an analysis by the Florida Department of Health showed an 84% increase in cardiac-related deaths.

In their letter, the federal agencies debunked the analysis’ conclusion, saying that cardiovascular experts who studied the concern had concluded that the risk of strokes and heart attacks was lower in people who had been vaccinated, not higher.


https://apnews.com/article/florida-surg ... 8025882335
Words with no data to bskc it up hence why Florida stays the course and UK on the quiet ban.
Let me re phrase that.
The data that the federal Govt is pushing is not up to the standard that would compel Florida to change action. Federal have insufficient data to make that pronouncement.


Here is some of the data that is not up to Florida's standards. And so very hard to find.

Impact of Vaccination on Major Adverse Cardiovascular Events in Patients With COVID-19 Infection

2023 Mar 7

Taken from the largest U.S. cohort of patients with SARS-CoV2, our results demonstrate the association of even partial vaccination with lower risk of MACE after SARS-CoV-2 infection.

What is the clinical question being addressed?
How does vaccination impact the occurrence of MACE in patients developing SARS-CoV-2 infection?

What is the main finding?
Either partial or complete vaccination is associated with a lower risk of MACE after SARS-CoV-2 infection.


SARS-CoV-2 infection increases the risk of major adverse cardiac events (MACE) and long-term cardiovascular sequelae after recovery. However, the association of vaccination on cardiovascular outcomes following infection has not been elucidated in the United States. We investigate association between vaccination and MACE among patients with prior SARS-CoV-2 infection.

Using data from the National COVID Cohort Collaborative (N3C), we included patients aged 18 to 90 years who were initially infected with SARS-CoV-2 between March 1, 2020, and February 1, 2022. Starting from the first day following initial infection, the follow-up time was 180 days. We considered mRNA vaccines by Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna and viral vector vaccines by Johnson and Johnson. Individuals were classified as fully vaccinated if they received ≥2 mRNA vaccines or 1 Johnson and Johnson vaccine ≥14 days before SARS-CoV-2 infection and as partially vaccinated if they received only 1 mRNA vaccine or their second mRNA or 1 Johnson and Johnson vaccine within 14 days of infection. Previous work suggests that COVID-19 vaccination may be associated with cardiovascular events within a few days. Although causality is unclear, we assess risk of MACE 14 days following last recorded vaccination to address this possibility and mitigate survivor bias. We excluded patients with ≥5 vaccine doses. We defined MACE by a composite set of diagnostic codes (OMOP codeset ID: 516422864). This study was approved by the Institutional Review Board at Mount Sinai. ...

Our results are concordant with Kim et al, who analyzed data from the Korean registry and found full vaccination was associated with decreased risk of myocardial infarction and ischemic stroke after COVID-19. However, the distinguishing strength of our work is that it draws from the largest open U.S. database of COVID-19–positive cases and control subjects, with greater size and racial diversity. We also investigated partial vaccination and included Johnson and Johnson vaccines, whereas previous work considered mRNA only.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9939951/

While many studies could be cited, a retrospective cohort study using the CDC’s Vaccine Safety
Datalink found no increased risk of death for the mRNA and Janssen vaccines across age, sex,
and race/ethnicity groups. They found that crude non-COVID-19 mortality rates among COVID19 vaccine recipients were lower than those among unvaccinated comparators. Another study
using mathematical modeling estimated that the vaccines saved an estimated 14 million lives
from COVID-19 in 185 countries and territories between December 8, 2020, and December 8,
2021. Vaccination is also associated with a reduction of post-acute sequelae of COVID-19. The
data supporting the benefits of the COVID-19 vaccines have been critically reviewed and
accepted by the medical and public health community, including state and local public health
agencies and academic and professional organizations.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9763207/


Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination do not mean that a vaccine
caused the event. Since December 2020, almost 270 million people have received more than
670 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines in the U.S., with over 50 million people having
received the updated bivalent vaccine. The Emergency Use Authorizations (EUAs) for the
COVID-19 Vaccines require sponsors and vaccine providers to report certain adverse
events through VAERS, so more reports should be expected. Recent concerns about
increased reports of cardiovascular events provide an instructive example of the need to do
further analysis when increased reporting of an event occurs. Despite increased reports of these
events, when the concern was examined in detail by cardiovascular experts, the risk of stroke and
heart attack was actually lower in people who had been vaccinated, not higher.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9939951/


The most recent estimate is that those who are up to date on their vaccination status have a
9.8 fold lower risk of dying from COVID-19 than those who are unvaccinated and 2.4 fold
lower risk of dying from Covid-19 than those who were vaccinated but had not received the
updated, bivalent vaccine. Roughly 90% of deaths from COVID-19, as carefully classified by
the CDC, in recent months have occurred among those who were not up to date on their
vaccines. Furthermore, as stated above, emerging reports indicate a possible reduction in the risk
of post-COVID conditions in vaccinated people who survive an infection.

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracke ... ine-status

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Re: COVID-19 in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby sMASH » March 13th, 2023, 7:08 am

It's not the efficacy, it's the injury it causes...


They ain't collecting data on that... Florida did.

And the risk benefit ratio.sjews heavy away from young people.

But not JUST because it has little benefit to young and regular fit people, bit because it's notably dangerous. More so than a
Vax should be.


But federal don't collect that data. So obviously would not have it to show it.

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Re: COVID-19 in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby sMASH » March 13th, 2023, 7:11 am

And just yo demonstrate how anti science the authorities and u bricks are, u will never admit that masks don't work.



Even when faucci at the onset of the pandemic advised and preached that masks don't work, it makes no sense encouraging it far less for mandating it.


The science didn't change, merely the authoritarian narrative.

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Re: COVID-19 in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby adnj » March 13th, 2023, 8:24 am

sMASH wrote:And just yo demonstrate how anti science the authorities and u bricks are, u will never admit that masks don't work.

Even when faucci at the onset of the pandemic advised and preached that masks don't work, it makes no sense encouraging it far less for mandating it.

The science didn't change, merely the authoritarian narrative.


Evidence indicates that community masking is beneficial.

Impact of community masking on COVID-19: A cluster-randomized trial in Bangladesh

SCIENCE | 2 Dec 2021 | Vol 375, Issue 6577

A randomized-trial of community-level mask promotion in rural Bangladesh during the COVID-19 pandemic shows that the intervention increased mask usage and reduced symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infections, demonstrating that promoting community mask-wearing can improve public health.

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https://www.science.org/stoken/author-t ... T-193/full

Yes, masks reduce the risk of spreading COVID, despite a review saying they don’t

An updated Cochrane Review suggests face masks don’t reduce the spread of COVID in the community. But there are several reasons why this conclusion is misleading.

7 February 2023

It didn’t consider how COVID spreads and how masks work
COVID, along with influenza and many other respiratory diseases, is transmitted primarily through the air.

Respirators (such as N95s) are designed and regulated to prevent airborne infections by fitting closely to the face to prevent air leakage and by filtering out 95% or more of potential infectious particles.

In contrast, surgical masks are designed to prevent splatter of fluid on the face and are loose-fitting, causing unfiltered air to leak in through the gaps around the mask. The filtration of a surgical mask is not regulated.

In other words, respirators are designed for respiratory protection and cloth and surgical masks are not.

The review starts with an assumption that masks provide respiratory protection, which is flawed. An understanding of these differences should inform both studies and reviews of those studies.

The studies addressed quite different questions
A common mistake in meta-analysis is to combine apples and oranges. If apples work but oranges don’t, combining all studies in a single average figure may lead to the conclusion that apples do not work.

This Cochrane Review combined RCTs where face masks or respirators were worn part of the time (for example, when caring for patients with known COVID or influenza: “occasional” or “targeted” use) with RCTs where they were worn at all times (“continuous use”).

Because both SARS-CoV-2 and influenza viruses are airborne, an unmasked person could be infected anywhere in the building and even after an infectious patient has left the room, especially since some people have no symptoms while contagious.

Most RCTs of masks and N95s included in the review have not had a control arm – therefore finding no difference could indicate equal efficacy or equal inefficacy.

Studies examining wearing a surgical mask or respirator (such as an N95) only when in contact with sick people or when doing a high-risk procedure (occasional use) have generally shown that, when worn in this way, there is no difference.

https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/yes-m ... -they-dont
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