Some mixed vaccines are not being accepted by T&T immigration

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Travellers coming in from abroad are being turned away, if they have mixed vaccines, one Canadian traveller came to T&T, for his mother's funeral and was denied entry into T&T, he had one Moderna and one Pfizer vaccine.

https://www.facebook.com/emircrowne/vid ... 1156698969

[hover11]

I trying to understand the CDC and WHO clearly said dont mix vaccines and ppl still went ahead and did it so now they want to enter the country they are being treated as unvaccinated, can someone tell us whether these ppl are in some form inferior to those who were fully vaccinated with the same vaccine for both doses

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the WHO doesn't want people to mix vaxx because of concerns about side effects. These people were already vaccinated abroad, so the safety or side effects of those combos isn't our concern. What we need to check is the efficacy, which is quite good for the Moderna/Pfizer or AZ/Moderna combos.

The MoH position that these people are "unvaccinated" is ... illogical.

Hopefully it gets fixed soon. If you have relatives abroad affected by this, call your MP.

[teems1]

I trying to understand the CDC and WHO clearly said dont mix vaccines and ppl still went ahead and did it so now they want to enter the country they are being treated as unvaccinated, can someone tell us whether these ppl are in some form inferior to those who were fully vaccinated with the same vaccine for both doses

It's like you really don't understand the concept of novel.

No one knows. The trials done so far have not included mixing the vaccines.

At the point in time due to shortages, certain provinces in Canada based on research in Spain and the UK, decided to mix vaccines so they could a larger portion of the population fully vaccinated.

All evidence shows that the number of cases, hospitalization and deaths in Canada have taken a huge drop since the vaccination effort.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/covid-19 ... -1.6101047

Right now the authorities in Canada are working with the WHO to get a more formal statement on the mixing of vaccines.

[redmanjp]

so the travel pass app didn't alert him before he fly down that something wasn't right?

[Dohplaydat]

WHO is not the only authority, and they have proven themselves to be quite slow and incompetent during this pandemic. Also by society you must mean Trinidad because all other countries would consider him fully vacinated.

[Gem_in_i]

Didn't the Minister say that a mix of vaccine will allow you to enter. Now things changed?

[redmanjp]

Didn't the Minister say that a mix of vaccine will allow you to enter. Now things changed?

only if approved by WHO. 1st dose AZ followed by 2nd dose pfizer is the only combination approved

https://reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/who-warns-against-mixing-matching-covid-vaccines-2021-07-12/

"Individuals should not decide for themselves, public health agencies can, based on available data," she said in the tweet. "Data from mix and match studies of different vaccines are awaited - immunogenicity and safety both need to be evaluated."

The WHO's Strategic Advisory Group of Experts on vaccines said in June the Pfizer Inc (PFE.N) vaccine could be used as a second dose after an initial dose of AstraZeneca (AZN.L), if the latter is not available.

A clinical trial led by the University of Oxford in the UK is ongoing to investigate mixing the regimen of AstraZeneca and Pfizer vaccines. The trial was recently expanded to include the Moderna Inc (MRNA.O) and Novavax Inc (NVAX.O) vaccines.

[hover11]

Question, didn't the people who left the country recently had to ensure they received at least their first shot of Sinopharm, when they arrived at their destination wouldn't they have taken a shot of pfzier or mrdna etc...what's gonna happen to them when they return

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Solution: Take your full course.
Take another kind in 6 months

[redmanjp]

Question, didn't the people who left the country recently had to ensure they received at least their first shot of Sinopharm, when they arrived at their destination wouldn't they have taken a shot of pfzier or mrdna etc...what's gonna happen to them when they return

who said 1 shot was allowed for travel? if they did do that well is 14 days in a hotel for them when they return.

[Dohplaydat]

Question, didn't the people who left the country recently had to ensure they received at least their first shot of Sinopharm, when they arrived at their destination wouldn't they have taken a shot of pfzier or mrdna etc...what's gonna happen to them when they return

Sinopharm isn't recognised in the US, so they'll be getting two doses of Pfizer not one. I know quite a few people doing this right now

[sMASH]

tnt is not doing any experimentation for it self. its operating according to what WHO says. that is reasonable
WHO advised that AZ followed by Pfizer is the only combination that they coudl recommend. due to efficacy and side effects being understood.
other cominiations of az, pfizer, moderna and jj are still being tested for efficacy and side effects.


so based on that, u could grasp why would our MoH only accept the az followed by the pfizer as full vax.


the problem is with common sense rationalizing the scenarios.

all the vaccines would be recommended by WHO wrt efficacy and side effects.

any combination would potentially offer potentially better efficacy than each of them, the same as the best, or at least the same as the lowest.
any combination, the side effects could be less than the normal, the same as the normal. the way in which the vaccines work and side effects will not cause them to give different side effects. the worst u would expect is that u get the same intensity as the worst one in the mix.

the testing for safety and efficacy that WHO is doing is to obtain values for the efficacies and side effects. but reasonable to assume that no combination will be worse than the worse one in the combination. cause the vaccines dont work in a way to be worse together than separate, u could only get what was there.

the efficacy will not be less that the worst one in the mix. it will either be better that the best, the same as the best or between the best and the worst.



logically, for MoH to say the MIX of WHO approved vaccines, has no basis, cause real world efficay would be within accpticble ranges, as ALL are WHO approved.

the side effects should not be of consequence to the MoH cuse that has no bearing on the local medical system or the population... u cant spread the side effect.





deliesingh going with the letter of the law, without examining it to see if it reasonable to base which is valid or not to allow entry. part fo the ban for mixing, is because vaccine manufacturers wnated to push triple dose, and WHO wanted to avoid that, saying that triple vaccine not adding more immunity, so its wasitng it, and the its better to send the third doses to the poorer countries.






if u ask terry if the vaccine mix will mean the person has less immunity than someone that didnt mix. he will default and say WHO doenst recomend the mixing, except for az>pfizer. and parrot that, without contemplation of how the mixing will actually work.

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so the travel pass app didn't alert him before he fly down that something wasn't right?

E V E R Y B O D Y has to request a TTPass in order to board a flight bound for TTO.

Just another made-up trolling thread.

[hover11]

So basically they took a shot of sinopharm and two doses of pfizer, nobody sees anything wrong with this....we treating vaccines like steroids and like junkies , just shooting up

Question, didn't the people who left the country recently had to ensure they received at least their first shot of Sinopharm, when they arrived at their destination wouldn't they have taken a shot of pfzier or mrdna etc...what's gonna happen to them when they return

Sinopharm isn't recognised in the US, so they'll be getting two doses of Pfizer not one. I know quite a few people doing this right now

[paid_influencer]

Solution: Take your full course.
Take another kind in 6 months

that second part is not recommended. The WHO specifically says to wait until it is approved before taking any more doses.

Do not take any extra doses for the sake of expediency (including travel). You are putting your health at risk until this has been checked and approved by the WHO.

[francis1979]

Question, didn't the people who left the country recently had to ensure they received at least their first shot of Sinopharm, when they arrived at their destination wouldn't they have taken a shot of pfzier or mrdna etc...what's gonna happen to them when they return

who said 1 shot was allowed for travel? if they did do that well is 14 days in a hotel for them when they return.

No vaccine is required to travel to the USA like other countries.

[francis1979]

I trying to understand the CDC and WHO clearly said dont mix vaccines and ppl still went ahead and did it so now they want to enter the country they are being treated as unvaccinated, can someone tell us whether these ppl are in some form inferior to those who were fully vaccinated with the same vaccine for both doses

It's like you really don't understand the concept of novel.

No one knows. The trials done so far have not included mixing the vaccines.

At the point in time due to shortages, certain provinces in Canada based on research in Spain and the UK, decided to mix vaccines so they could a larger portion of the population fully vaccinated.

All evidence shows that the number of cases, hospitalization and deaths in Canada have taken a huge drop since the vaccination effort.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/covid-19 ... -1.6101047

Right now the authorities in Canada are working with the WHO to get a more formal statement on the mixing of vaccines.

Vaccine mixing is occurring in other countries due to concerns of blood clotting risk with astrozenica.

Not due to unavailability of astrozenica for 2nd shot

In those countries they have phizer available and can offer it as a 2nd shot

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.ne ... /100183778

However Astrozenica is still being offered as 1st dose in some locations with additional health warnings e.g. Australia

https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-a ... 19-vaccine

[adnj]

I trying to understand the CDC and WHO clearly said dont mix vaccines and ppl still went ahead and did it so now they want to enter the country they are being treated as unvaccinated, can someone tell us whether these ppl are in some form inferior to those who were fully vaccinated with the same vaccine for both doses

It's like you really don't understand the concept of novel.

No one knows. The trials done so far have not included mixing the vaccines.

At the point in time due to shortages, certain provinces in Canada based on research in Spain and the UK, decided to mix vaccines so they could a larger portion of the population fully vaccinated.

All evidence shows that the number of cases, hospitalization and deaths in Canada have taken a huge drop since the vaccination effort.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/covid-19 ... -1.6101047

Right now the authorities in Canada are working with the WHO to get a more formal statement on the mixing of vaccines.

Vaccine mixing is occurring in other countries due to concerns of blood clotting risk with astrozenica.

Not due to unavailability of astrozenica for 2nd shot

In those countries they have phizer available and can offer it as a 2nd shot

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.ne ... /100183778

However Astrozenica is still being offered as 1st dose in some locations with additional health warnings e.g. Australia

https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-a ... 19-vaccine

Yes, AstraZeneca shortages exist in many nations.

How countries are adapting to AstraZeneca vaccine shortages

08 July 2021

Dealing with shortages

In Nepal, about 1.4 million people over the age of 65 have been waiting for a second dose of AstraZeneca. Many of them are past the 12-week window for a second dose — which the government officially extended to 16 weeks in May — and there’s still no concrete information on when new supplies will arrive.

Nepal’s Health Ministry Spokesperson Dr. Krishna Paudel told Devex the government is trying different diplomatic channels and engaging with vaccine manufacturers to secure the needed doses. The government, he said, has not yet decided on whether to administer a different vaccine for a second shot.

Nepal is not just waiting for doses from COVAX, but also directly from India. The government said it has paid for two million doses of AstraZeneca but has only received half of the doses.

Meanwhile, others aged 60 to 65 who received Sinopharm last month are already receiving their second doses.

“While we have been getting a lot of assistance which includes masks, sanitizers, cylinders, ventilators, and whatnot, we have been unable to get hold of the promised doses,” said Sandesh Raman Parajuli, a doctor in western Nepal. Parajuli is fully vaccinated.

In neighboring Sri Lanka, the government started offering Pfizer vaccines to people aged 55 and older on Wednesday in the absence of supplies of AstraZeneca vaccines. But this was canceled Thursday after officials announced that a new supply of AstraZeneca vaccines will arrive in mid-July.

https://www.devex.com/news/how-countrie ... ges-100319

[hover11]

The fact that they mixing vaccines may be of concerned yes is true no one knows of this will remedy the situation or if this will exacerbate the problem if the WHO and CDC said dont do it , they had their reasons.. not all vaccines are of the same chemical make up ....you don't mix drugs when you have a prescription do you it clearly states it will have adverse side effects .....would you go against your doctor's advice and take alcohol (a depressant ) with a prescription drug ....no you wouldn't. Even guinea pigs for scientific experiments are paid, we out here just doing it for free

I trying to understand the CDC and WHO clearly said dont mix vaccines and ppl still went ahead and did it so now they want to enter the country they are being treated as unvaccinated, can someone tell us whether these ppl are in some form inferior to those who were fully vaccinated with the same vaccine for both doses

It's like you really don't understand the concept of novel.

No one knows. The trials done so far have not included mixing the vaccines.

At the point in time due to shortages, certain provinces in Canada based on research in Spain and the UK, decided to mix vaccines so they could a larger portion of the population fully vaccinated.

All evidence shows that the number of cases, hospitalization and deaths in Canada have taken a huge drop since the vaccination effort.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/covid-19 ... -1.6101047

Right now the authorities in Canada are working with the WHO to get a more formal statement on the mixing of vaccines.

Vaccine mixing is occurring in other countries due to concerns of blood clotting risk with astrozenica.

Not due to unavailability of astrozenica for 2nd shot

In those countries they have phizer available and can offer it as a 2nd shot

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.ne ... /100183778

However Astrozenica is still being offered as 1st dose in some locations with additional health warnings e.g. Australia

https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-a ... 19-vaccine

Yes, AstraZeneca shortages exist in many nations.

How countries are adapting to AstraZeneca vaccine shortages

08 July 2021

Dealing with shortages

In Nepal, about 1.4 million people over the age of 65 have been waiting for a second dose of AstraZeneca. Many of them are past the 12-week window for a second dose — which the government officially extended to 16 weeks in May — and there’s still no concrete information on when new supplies will arrive.

Nepal’s Health Ministry Spokesperson Dr. Krishna Paudel told Devex the government is trying different diplomatic channels and engaging with vaccine manufacturers to secure the needed doses. The government, he said, has not yet decided on whether to administer a different vaccine for a second shot.

Nepal is not just waiting for doses from COVAX, but also directly from India. The government said it has paid for two million doses of AstraZeneca but has only received half of the doses.

Meanwhile, others aged 60 to 65 who received Sinopharm last month are already receiving their second doses.

“While we have been getting a lot of assistance which includes masks, sanitizers, cylinders, ventilators, and whatnot, we have been unable to get hold of the promised doses,” said Sandesh Raman Parajuli, a doctor in western Nepal. Parajuli is fully vaccinated.

In neighboring Sri Lanka, the government started offering Pfizer vaccines to people aged 55 and older on Wednesday in the absence of supplies of AstraZeneca vaccines. But this was canceled Thursday after officials announced that a new supply of AstraZeneca vaccines will arrive in mid-July.

https://www.devex.com/news/how-countrie ... ges-100319

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[Mmoney607]

The whole world gone mad. They send the man back home yes.