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SMc wrote:I don't mind having some sort of vaccination passport if it means that the country can be opened up safely.
To some degree it already exists for some situations, eg a couple years ago when I travelled from the Gambia across to Senegal you could not get passed the border if you didn't have your yellow fever vaccination document with you.
teems1 wrote:SMc wrote:I don't mind having some sort of vaccination passport if it means that the country can be opened up safely.
To some degree it already exists for some situations, eg a couple years ago when I travelled from the Gambia across to Senegal you could not get passed the border if you didn't have your yellow fever vaccination document with you.
Threads like these show the little world view many Trinis have.
Visiting NYC/Miami frequently and they think they're some world traveler.
Go ask your parents if they still have their yellow BOAC (British Overseas Airways Corporation) vaccination card. This vaccine passport was absolutely necessary for travel back in the day.
Reviews are underway in the US, Canada, UK, and EU regarding the employer's responsibility to provide a covid-safe environment to the employees that have accepted the vaccine from those employees that have not.VexXx Dogg wrote:88sins wrote:Totally unenforceable, and will eventually be scrapped after the damage is done.
What's to stop a private business owner from disregarding whether or not a patron to his establishment was vaccinated and allowing anyone willing to spend their money in his business entry, vaccinated or not? You wanna put police and moh reps in every single business all day long to ensure proper compliance?
Sounds rather Nazi-Germany-ish
"Papers please"
You mean like your current immunization card, drivers permit, passport, work Pass, etc?
Learn the difference...alfa wrote:Private businesses are entitled to request proof of vaccinations and the consumers are entitled to not patronize said businesses if they don't want to. However when government starts insisting on it then that's a play right out of the communist handbook. It's an infringement on personal rights and liberties and I believe lawsuits will follow
adnj wrote:Learn the difference...alfa wrote:Private businesses are entitled to request proof of vaccinations and the consumers are entitled to not patronize said businesses if they don't want to. However when government starts insisting on it then that's a play right out of the communist handbook. It's an infringement on personal rights and liberties and I believe lawsuits will follow
communism
/ˈkɒmjʊnɪz(ə)m/
a theory or system of social organization in which all property is owned by the community and each person contributes and receives according to their ability and needs.
totalitarianism
/təʊˌtalɪˈtɛːrɪənɪz(ə)m,təˌtalɪˈtɛːrɪənɪz(ə)m/
a system of government that is centralized and dictatorial and requires complete subservience to the state.
"democratic countries were fighting against totalitarianism"
Ben_spanna wrote:OSHA needs to hurry up and enforce employers having the right to demand their employees vaccinate or refuse them being able to work. majority of companies want to work in a Martian of safety and do not want any people in close working space who can possibly spread this virus.
De Dragon wrote:Even non unionized companies staying far from that mandatory talk. They are using moral suasion, and leading by example.
st7 wrote:both vax and unvax can have covid so it's those who aren't vaccinated are the ones in danger though. the need for passes is irrelevant unless it's there to ensure the unvax arent infected...
but what i'm wondering is if a strain present in the body of a fully vaccinated person and they travel to another country where the strain never existed, a pass won't matter as they can start a wave on its own (unless present vaccines can handle that strain)... so my best guess is that testing will still be conducted when flying out for the foreseeable future.
so i'd say no to a pass as it does nothing
hover11 wrote:Just following up on this post.....when the boarders reopen and flights start arriving with persons who are infected with the delta strain what will be our position, the vaccine does not stop you from being infected so in essence you can become a carrier so picture a plane of vaccinated and unvaccinated carriers coming every day. The world is still battling with this strain atmst7 wrote:both vax and unvax can have covid so it's those who aren't vaccinated are the ones in danger though. the need for passes is irrelevant unless it's there to ensure the unvax arent infected...
but what i'm wondering is if a strain present in the body of a fully vaccinated person and they travel to another country where the strain never existed, a pass won't matter as they can start a wave on its own (unless present vaccines can handle that strain)... so my best guess is that testing will still be conducted when flying out for the foreseeable future.
so i'd say no to a pass as it does nothing
hover11 wrote:Bear in mind even with repatriation flights and home quarantine we still had covid cases coming in from flights, I hope we have the staff to monitor all those persons 24/7
hover11 wrote:Bear in mind even with repatriation flights and home quarantine we still had covid cases coming in from flights, I hope we have the staff to monitor all those persons 24/7
Dohplaydat wrote:hover11 wrote:Bear in mind even with repatriation flights and home quarantine we still had covid cases coming in from flights, I hope we have the staff to monitor all those persons 24/7
Well those positive go into quarantine so it's safe.
What we can do is test on arrival and release positives after 2 days if they test negative. Still just a matter of time the delta variant gets in if you're not doing 7-14 quarantines, but now most high risk people are vaccinated so it's only the vaccine hesitants will die
redmanjp wrote:De Dragon wrote:Even non unionized companies staying far from that mandatory talk. They are using moral suasion, and leading by example.
u can't change terms & conditions just so so they can't do it to existing employees, but can do it as a condition for prospective employees. contract workers tho. they could get jam as they have to sign a contract again once the currant one over so a vaccine clause can be put in. and most govt workers in that position.
but the issue of passes i raised is not about employees but consumers/customers. in order to open back certain places safely anytime within the next 2-3 years especially with these new highly contagious variants emerging something like this would have to be implemented. Outdoor or open air dining/drinking for anyone vaccinated or not is possible but not every place has that
88sins wrote:redmanjp wrote:De Dragon wrote:Even non unionized companies staying far from that mandatory talk. They are using moral suasion, and leading by example.
u can't change terms & conditions just so so they can't do it to existing employees, but can do it as a condition for prospective employees. contract workers tho. they could get jam as they have to sign a contract again once the currant one over so a vaccine clause can be put in. and most govt workers in that position.
but the issue of passes i raised is not about employees but consumers/customers. in order to open back certain places safely anytime within the next 2-3 years especially with these new highly contagious variants emerging something like this would have to be implemented. Outdoor or open air dining/drinking for anyone vaccinated or not is possible but not every place has that
Ok, let's deal with the issue of your question about consumers and businesses.
Short answer, it eh go wuk.
Leaving public health safety to the public, (some of whom have questionable moral standards and would sell their own mother for a salt prune, and not about to care about their customers health, they just want the money that in the customers pockets) is taking a HUGE risk, just so some people can move around and resume old unimportant and non essential habits.
ProtonPowder wrote:alyuh really wouldnt be happy until the government could check your prostate at every street corner
ProtonPowder wrote:alyuh really wouldnt be happy until the government could check your prostate at every street corner
redmanjp wrote:Except this time u will have a specific fine for the lack of a pass and a heavy one along with being an arrestable offence as it is for bars currently. The mask law is only a $1000 fine with no arrest. Ideally that should be $2000.
As for washing hands and distancing there isn't a regulation for that. At least not for the customer.
88sins wrote:redmanjp wrote:Except this time u will have a specific fine for the lack of a pass and a heavy one along with being an arrestable offence as it is for bars currently. The mask law is only a $1000 fine with no arrest. Ideally that should be $2000.
As for washing hands and distancing there isn't a regulation for that. At least not for the customer.
I am not one for encouraging that any individual or organization be given the authority to compel private citizens into any course of action. Such authoritarian policies are all too easily abused, usually to the detriment of the less well off in society. But I'd like to ascertain your perspective on something.
Say you are compelled to take a vaccination in order to retain your employment within an organization. And let's just say that you happen to be the unfortunate person that suffers the extreme side effects of the vaccine, and that you develop blood clots that cause you to have a stroke that nearly kills you, but it just leaves you disabled and unable to do much of anything for yourself. Now that you can't fulfill your role in the organization, thus leading to your eventual departure from the organization, either voluntarily or you get fired. Now, you out of a job so no income, and in the sad position of being disabled and unable to seek and engage in new employment. Who do you think should be held responsible to compensate you for this position that you are in?
1-Your former employer? They eh doing that without you forcing them to in court.
2-The state? You indemnified them when you signed the form to accept the vaccine.
3-Suing the manufacturer of the vaccine isn't an option either, because the state indemnified them from liability.
How your family supposed to carry on as normal when you are now in this situation? Who bears the costs for your medical care? Who will be responsible for providing for and protecting you and your family now that you can't because you did what they forced you to do against your better judgment? All in the effort to safeguard the public and return to normal?
As regards reopening the economy and returning to business as normal, the easiest solution is to maintain current protocols when out in public or visiting any establishment, whether vaccinated or not. Mandatory mask wearing, distancing, and minimal interaction between people. Because we must remember, vaccination does not guarantee 100% protection against infection, whether against the original strain or any other subsequent mutation, so a vaccinated person can still be a carrier that can spread the virus and possibly transmit it to any vaccinated or unvaccinated persons in their immediate vicinity.
We better tread very carefully, because if not this thing gonna open up a whole can of maggots and it go have plenty bacchanal and legal ramifications for practically every sector of society.
Mmoney607 wrote:Allyuh worried bout this? A few wanna be woke, Virtue signaling business will try this and then they'll realize they have no customers and no employees and revert.
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