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Re: Covid-19's origin. natural or lab made?

Postby aaron17 » August 28th, 2021, 11:04 am

Jus like the UAP reveal...smh

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Postby hover11 » August 28th, 2021, 11:42 am

If covid really came from bats or the animal kingdom like they want us to believe, why did it recently transmit from person to person in this vicious manner, why haven't we had coronavirus breakouts like this before,what variable caused this change, this was created in a lab no doubt there was some type of human intervention

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Postby Mmoney607 » August 28th, 2021, 12:09 pm

hover11 wrote:If covid really came from bats or the animal kingdom like they want us to believe, why did it recently transmit from person to person in this vicious manner, why haven't we had coronavirus breakouts like this before,what variable caused this change, this was created in a lab no doubt there was some type of human intervention


Yuh understand. One bat to one animal to one human could never cause over 200m human to human transmissions. Where the virus would've learn to do that jus so?

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Re: Covid-19's origin. natural or lab made?

Postby adnj » August 28th, 2021, 12:16 pm

Mmoney607 wrote:
hover11 wrote:If covid really came from bats or the animal kingdom like they want us to believe, why did it recently transmit from person to person in this vicious manner, why haven't we had coronavirus breakouts like this before,what variable caused this change, this was created in a lab no doubt there was some type of human intervention


Yuh understand. One bat to one animal to one human could never cause over 200m human to human transmissions. Where the virus would've learn to do that jus so?


SARS, MERS and much of the common cold are all caused by a coronavirus. All naturally occur in bats. Every year. All the time. This time the virus just happened to get it right.

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Re: Covid-19's origin. natural or lab made?

Postby hover11 » August 28th, 2021, 12:21 pm

adnj wrote:
Mmoney607 wrote:
hover11 wrote:If covid really came from bats or the animal kingdom like they want us to believe, why did it recently transmit from person to person in this vicious manner, why haven't we had coronavirus breakouts like this before,what variable caused this change, this was created in a lab no doubt there was some type of human intervention


Yuh understand. One bat to one animal to one human could never cause over 200m human to human transmissions. Where the virus would've learn to do that jus so?


SARS, MERS and much of the common cold are all caused by a coronavirus. All naturally occur in bats. Every year. All the time. This time the virus just happened to get it right.
After so long ? After so many years of existence the virus got it right and was able to become a full blown pandemic, with no type of human intervention? Well alright. That's like saying saying virus that causes chicken pox can eventually kill humans one day if it mutates dramatically on it's own.

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Re: Covid-19's origin. natural or lab made?

Postby adnj » August 28th, 2021, 12:57 pm

hover11 wrote:
adnj wrote:
Mmoney607 wrote:
hover11 wrote:If covid really came from bats or the animal kingdom like they want us to believe, why did it recently transmit from person to person in this vicious manner, why haven't we had coronavirus breakouts like this before,what variable caused this change, this was created in a lab no doubt there was some type of human intervention


Yuh understand. One bat to one animal to one human could never cause over 200m human to human transmissions. Where the virus would've learn to do that jus so?


SARS, MERS and much of the common cold are all caused by a coronavirus. All naturally occur in bats. Every year. All the time. This time the virus just happened to get it right.
After so long ? After so many years of existence the virus got it right and was able to become a full blown pandemic, with no type of human intervention? Well alright. That's like saying saying virus that causes chicken pox can eventually kill humans one day if it mutates dramatically on it's own.
This is the third time in 20 years.
SARS-CoV in 2002
MERS-CoV in 2012
SARS-CoV-2 in 2019
Plus the H5N1 flu virus in 1997

The problem is when an animal virus mutates and becomes infectious to humans.

One likely virus to be concerned about is Nipah.

-------

The other virus that worries Asia

The death rate for Nipah virus is up to 75% and it has no vaccine. While the world focuses on Covid-19, scientists are working hard to ensure it doesn't cause the next pandemic.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/2021 ... t-pandemic

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Re: Covid-19's origin. natural or lab made?

Postby ScHoolboySoloQ » August 28th, 2021, 1:20 pm

hover11 wrote:
adnj wrote:
Mmoney607 wrote:
hover11 wrote:If covid really came from bats or the animal kingdom like they want us to believe, why did it recently transmit from person to person in this vicious manner, why haven't we had coronavirus breakouts like this before,what variable caused this change, this was created in a lab no doubt there was some type of human intervention


Yuh understand. One bat to one animal to one human could never cause over 200m human to human transmissions. Where the virus would've learn to do that jus so?


SARS, MERS and much of the common cold are all caused by a coronavirus. All naturally occur in bats. Every year. All the time. This time the virus just happened to get it right.
After so long ? After so many years of existence the virus got it right and was able to become a full blown pandemic, with no type of human intervention? Well alright. That's like saying saying virus that causes chicken pox can eventually kill humans one day if it mutates dramatically on it's own.


Nah chicken pox cant dramatically mutate on it's own unless it was modified in a lab.

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Re: Covid-19's origin. natural or lab made?

Postby Mmoney607 » August 28th, 2021, 1:35 pm

adnj wrote:
hover11 wrote:
adnj wrote:
Mmoney607 wrote:
hover11 wrote:If covid really came from bats or the animal kingdom like they want us to believe, why did it recently transmit from person to person in this vicious manner, why haven't we had coronavirus breakouts like this before,what variable caused this change, this was created in a lab no doubt there was some type of human intervention


Yuh understand. One bat to one animal to one human could never cause over 200m human to human transmissions. Where the virus would've learn to do that jus so?


SARS, MERS and much of the common cold are all caused by a coronavirus. All naturally occur in bats. Every year. All the time. This time the virus just happened to get it right.
After so long ? After so many years of existence the virus got it right and was able to become a full blown pandemic, with no type of human intervention? Well alright. That's like saying saying virus that causes chicken pox can eventually kill humans one day if it mutates dramatically on it's own.
This is the third time in 20 years.
SARS-CoV in 2002
MERS-CoV in 2012
SARS-CoV-2 in 2019
Plus the H5N1 flu virus in 1997

The problem is when an animal virus mutates and becomes infectious to humans.

One likely virus to be concerned about is Nipah.

-------

The other virus that worries Asia

The death rate for Nipah virus is up to 75% and it has no vaccine. While the world focuses on Covid-19, scientists are working hard to ensure it doesn't cause the next pandemic.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/2021 ... t-pandemic


I don't remember those viruses causing any disruption

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Re: Covid-19's origin. natural or lab made?

Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » August 28th, 2021, 2:04 pm

Mmoney607 wrote:
adnj wrote:
hover11 wrote:
adnj wrote:
Mmoney607 wrote:
hover11 wrote:If covid really came from bats or the animal kingdom like they want us to believe, why did it recently transmit from person to person in this vicious manner, why haven't we had coronavirus breakouts like this before,what variable caused this change, this was created in a lab no doubt there was some type of human intervention


Yuh understand. One bat to one animal to one human could never cause over 200m human to human transmissions. Where the virus would've learn to do that jus so?


SARS, MERS and much of the common cold are all caused by a coronavirus. All naturally occur in bats. Every year. All the time. This time the virus just happened to get it right.
After so long ? After so many years of existence the virus got it right and was able to become a full blown pandemic, with no type of human intervention? Well alright. That's like saying saying virus that causes chicken pox can eventually kill humans one day if it mutates dramatically on it's own.
This is the third time in 20 years.
SARS-CoV in 2002
MERS-CoV in 2012
SARS-CoV-2 in 2019
Plus the H5N1 flu virus in 1997

The problem is when an animal virus mutates and becomes infectious to humans.

One likely virus to be concerned about is Nipah.

-------

The other virus that worries Asia

The death rate for Nipah virus is up to 75% and it has no vaccine. While the world focuses on Covid-19, scientists are working hard to ensure it doesn't cause the next pandemic.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/2021 ... t-pandemic


I don't remember those viruses causing any disruption

Probably too young to remember
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002%E2%8 ... S_outbreak

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Re: Covid-19's origin. natural or lab made?

Postby Kenjo » August 28th, 2021, 3:59 pm

Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:
Mmoney607 wrote:
adnj wrote:
hover11 wrote:
adnj wrote:
Mmoney607 wrote:
hover11 wrote:If covid really came from bats or the animal kingdom like they want us to believe, why did it recently transmit from person to person in this vicious manner, why haven't we had coronavirus breakouts like this before,what variable caused this change, this was created in a lab no doubt there was some type of human intervention


Yuh understand. One bat to one animal to one human could never cause over 200m human to human transmissions. Where the virus would've learn to do that jus so?


SARS, MERS and much of the common cold are all caused by a coronavirus. All naturally occur in bats. Every year. All the time. This time the virus just happened to get it right.
After so long ? After so many years of existence the virus got it right and was able to become a full blown pandemic, with no type of human intervention? Well alright. That's like saying saying virus that causes chicken pox can eventually kill humans one day if it mutates dramatically on it's own.
This is the third time in 20 years.
SARS-CoV in 2002
MERS-CoV in 2012
SARS-CoV-2 in 2019
Plus the H5N1 flu virus in 1997

The problem is when an animal virus mutates and becomes infectious to humans.

One likely virus to be concerned about is Nipah.

-------

The other virus that worries Asia

The death rate for Nipah virus is up to 75% and it has no vaccine. While the world focuses on Covid-19, scientists are working hard to ensure it doesn't cause the next pandemic.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/2021 ... t-pandemic


I don't remember those viruses causing any disruption

Probably too young to remember
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002%E2%8 ... S_outbreak

Link dead

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Re: Covid-19's origin. natural or lab made?

Postby Mmoney607 » August 28th, 2021, 8:23 pm

Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:
Mmoney607 wrote:
adnj wrote:
hover11 wrote:
adnj wrote:
Mmoney607 wrote:
hover11 wrote:If covid really came from bats or the animal kingdom like they want us to believe, why did it recently transmit from person to person in this vicious manner, why haven't we had coronavirus breakouts like this before,what variable caused this change, this was created in a lab no doubt there was some type of human intervention


Yuh understand. One bat to one animal to one human could never cause over 200m human to human transmissions. Where the virus would've learn to do that jus so?


SARS, MERS and much of the common cold are all caused by a coronavirus. All naturally occur in bats. Every year. All the time. This time the virus just happened to get it right.
After so long ? After so many years of existence the virus got it right and was able to become a full blown pandemic, with no type of human intervention? Well alright. That's like saying saying virus that causes chicken pox can eventually kill humans one day if it mutates dramatically on it's own.
This is the third time in 20 years.
SARS-CoV in 2002
MERS-CoV in 2012
SARS-CoV-2 in 2019
Plus the H5N1 flu virus in 1997

The problem is when an animal virus mutates and becomes infectious to humans.

One likely virus to be concerned about is Nipah.

-------

The other virus that worries Asia

The death rate for Nipah virus is up to 75% and it has no vaccine. While the world focuses on Covid-19, scientists are working hard to ensure it doesn't cause the next pandemic.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/2021 ... t-pandemic


I don't remember those viruses causing any disruption

Probably too young to remember
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002%E2%8 ... S_outbreak


I don't remember school being closed or wearing a mask

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Re: Covid-19's origin. natural or lab made?

Postby DTAC » August 28th, 2021, 8:54 pm

adnj wrote:
Mmoney607 wrote:
hover11 wrote:If covid really came from bats or the animal kingdom like they want us to believe, why did it recently transmit from person to person in this vicious manner, why haven't we had coronavirus breakouts like this before,what variable caused this change, this was created in a lab no doubt there was some type of human intervention


Yuh understand. One bat to one animal to one human could never cause over 200m human to human transmissions. Where the virus would've learn to do that jus so?


SARS, MERS and much of the common cold are all caused by a coronavirus. All naturally occur in bats. Every year. All the time. This time the virus just happened to get it right.


And just happen to occur in a city with a virology lab that specialised in Coronaviruses. Right...

If the Chinese were as open and honest with regard to the outbreak as those countries where H5N1, SARS & MERS occurred. This Covid outbreak might well have been as contained and controlled as those outbreaks but the Chinese decided to cover it up from day one and silenced the first doctor to realise something was very wrong. Google Dr Li Wenliang. It was only after it got out of control did the authorities admit something was wrong. That's not suspicious at all.

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Re: Covid-19's origin. natural or lab made?

Postby gastly369 » August 28th, 2021, 8:58 pm

DTAC wrote:
adnj wrote:
Mmoney607 wrote:
hover11 wrote:If covid really came from bats or the animal kingdom like they want us to believe, why did it recently transmit from person to person in this vicious manner, why haven't we had coronavirus breakouts like this before,what variable caused this change, this was created in a lab no doubt there was some type of human intervention


Yuh understand. One bat to one animal to one human could never cause over 200m human to human transmissions. Where the virus would've learn to do that jus so?


SARS, MERS and much of the common cold are all caused by a coronavirus. All naturally occur in bats. Every year. All the time. This time the virus just happened to get it right.


And just happen to occur in a city with a virology lab that specialised in Coronaviruses. Right...

If the Chinese were as open and honest with regard to the outbreak as those countries where H5N1, SARS & MERS occurred. This Covid outbreak might well have been as contained and controlled as those outbreaks but the Chinese decided to cover it up from day one and silenced the first doctor to realise something was very wrong. Google Dr Li Wenliang. It was only after it got out of control did the authorities admit something was wrong. That's not suspicious at all.
Yep man tried to warn the world when was discovered but was to late... Basically

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Postby adnj » August 28th, 2021, 8:58 pm

DTAC wrote:
adnj wrote:
Mmoney607 wrote:
hover11 wrote:If covid really came from bats or the animal kingdom like they want us to believe, why did it recently transmit from person to person in this vicious manner, why haven't we had coronavirus breakouts like this before,what variable caused this change, this was created in a lab no doubt there was some type of human intervention


Yuh understand. One bat to one animal to one human could never cause over 200m human to human transmissions. Where the virus would've learn to do that jus so?


SARS, MERS and much of the common cold are all caused by a coronavirus. All naturally occur in bats. Every year. All the time. This time the virus just happened to get it right.


And just happen to occur in a city with a virology lab that specialised in Coronaviruses. Right...

If the Chinese were as open and honest with regard to the outbreak as those countries where H5N1, SARS & MERS occurred. This Covid outbreak might well have been as contained and controlled as those outbreaks but the Chinese decided to cover it up from day one and silenced the first doctor to realise something was very wrong. Google Dr Li Wenliang. It was only after it got out of control did the authorities admit something was wrong. That's not suspicious at all.
State your point simply.

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Postby 88sins » August 29th, 2021, 11:36 am

gastly369 wrote:
DTAC wrote:
adnj wrote:
Mmoney607 wrote:
hover11 wrote:If covid really came from bats or the animal kingdom like they want us to believe, why did it recently transmit from person to person in this vicious manner, why haven't we had coronavirus breakouts like this before,what variable caused this change, this was created in a lab no doubt there was some type of human intervention


Yuh understand. One bat to one animal to one human could never cause over 200m human to human transmissions. Where the virus would've learn to do that jus so?


SARS, MERS and much of the common cold are all caused by a coronavirus. All naturally occur in bats. Every year. All the time. This time the virus just happened to get it right.


And just happen to occur in a city with a virology lab that specialised in Coronaviruses. Right...

If the Chinese were as open and honest with regard to the outbreak as those countries where H5N1, SARS & MERS occurred. This Covid outbreak might well have been as contained and controlled as those outbreaks but the Chinese decided to cover it up from day one and silenced the first doctor to realise something was very wrong. Google Dr Li Wenliang. It was only after it got out of control did the authorities admit something was wrong. That's not suspicious at all.
Yep man tried to warn the world when was discovered but was to late... Basically


Who here recalls how they mobilized the military and blocked all the access routes into and out of Wuhan, and started building field hospitals like mad, all the while downplaying the seriousness of the highly infectious nature and symptoms of the virus?

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Postby hover11 » August 29th, 2021, 11:46 am

88sins wrote:
gastly369 wrote:
DTAC wrote:
adnj wrote:
Mmoney607 wrote:
hover11 wrote:If covid really came from bats or the animal kingdom like they want us to believe, why did it recently transmit from person to person in this vicious manner, why haven't we had coronavirus breakouts like this before,what variable caused this change, this was created in a lab no doubt there was some type of human intervention


Yuh understand. One bat to one animal to one human could never cause over 200m human to human transmissions. Where the virus would've learn to do that jus so?


SARS, MERS and much of the common cold are all caused by a coronavirus. All naturally occur in bats. Every year. All the time. This time the virus just happened to get it right.


And just happen to occur in a city with a virology lab that specialised in Coronaviruses. Right...

If the Chinese were as open and honest with regard to the outbreak as those countries where H5N1, SARS & MERS occurred. This Covid outbreak might well have been as contained and controlled as those outbreaks but the Chinese decided to cover it up from day one and silenced the first doctor to realise something was very wrong. Google Dr Li Wenliang. It was only after it got out of control did the authorities admit something was wrong. That's not suspicious at all.
Yep man tried to warn the world when was discovered but was to late... Basically


Who here recalls how they mobilized the military and blocked all the access routes into and out of Wuhan, and started building field hospitals like mad, all the while downplaying the seriousness of the highly infectious nature and symptoms of the virus?
China were fully aware of what they were doing , hiding the true effects from the rest of the world, if this truly was natural , why the deception and reluctance to share with the rest of the world your findings?

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NEW Docs Provide Damning Evidence Dr. Fauci, NIH FUNDED Wuhan Covid Research With US TAXPAYER Dollars


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Next thing ...CDC and WHO says its not really classified as gain of function research...

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Postby timelapse » September 9th, 2021, 9:50 am

Chicken pox:. Deaths are very rare now due to the vaccine program. However, some deaths from chickenpox continue to occur in healthy, unvaccinated children and adults. In the past, many of the healthy adults who died from chickenpox contracted the disease from their unvaccinated children.
Source :https://www.cdc.gov/chickenpox/about/complications.html

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Postby drchaos » September 14th, 2021, 11:00 pm

adnj wrote:
DTAC wrote:
adnj wrote:
Mmoney607 wrote:
hover11 wrote:If covid really came from bats or the animal kingdom like they want us to believe, why did it recently transmit from person to person in this vicious manner, why haven't we had coronavirus breakouts like this before,what variable caused this change, this was created in a lab no doubt there was some type of human intervention


Yuh understand. One bat to one animal to one human could never cause over 200m human to human transmissions. Where the virus would've learn to do that jus so?


SARS, MERS and much of the common cold are all caused by a coronavirus. All naturally occur in bats. Every year. All the time. This time the virus just happened to get it right.


And just happen to occur in a city with a virology lab that specialised in Coronaviruses. Right...

If the Chinese were as open and honest with regard to the outbreak as those countries where H5N1, SARS & MERS occurred. This Covid outbreak might well have been as contained and controlled as those outbreaks but the Chinese decided to cover it up from day one and silenced the first doctor to realise something was very wrong. Google Dr Li Wenliang. It was only after it got out of control did the authorities admit something was wrong. That's not suspicious at all.
State your point simply.

Come on guys ...
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Postby drchaos » September 14th, 2021, 11:09 pm

timelapse wrote:Chicken pox:. Deaths are very rare now due to the vaccine program. However, some deaths from chickenpox continue to occur in healthy, unvaccinated children and adults. In the past, many of the healthy adults who died from chickenpox contracted the disease from their unvaccinated children.
Source :https://www.cdc.gov/chickenpox/about/complications.html


If healthy people were dropping dead from chicken pox before we had a vaccine I wonder why we didn't lock down, have mask mandates and block public skin exposure, mandate the vaccine and close the beach?

Seems only logical right? :?

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Re: Covid-19's origin. natural or lab made?

Postby timelapse » September 15th, 2021, 12:04 pm

drchaos wrote:
timelapse wrote:Chicken pox:. Deaths are very rare now due to the vaccine program. However, some deaths from chickenpox continue to occur in healthy, unvaccinated children and adults. In the past, many of the healthy adults who died from chickenpox contracted the disease from their unvaccinated children.
Source :https://www.cdc.gov/chickenpox/about/complications.html


If healthy people were dropping dead from chicken pox before we had a vaccine I wonder why we didn't lock down, have mask mandates and block public skin exposure, mandate the vaccine and close the beach?

Seems only logical right? :?
Population density, modes of travel and level of jackarsery.Social distancing bordered on harassment in terms of chicken pox and measles.There were some kids in primary school that got shunned for the entire duration of their stay because they had measles .A bit overkill,but yeah

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Postby The_Honourable » October 10th, 2021, 12:48 am

This Sky News Australia special investigation into the origins of COVID-19 reveals what really happened in Wuhan in the early days of the pandemic.

Award-winning journalist Sharri Markson spent more than a year investigating the potential leak of the virus from a top-secret laboratory in Wuhan. Ms Markson uncovered evidence of a widespread cover-up and unpacks the new theory that “patient zero” worked in the Wuhan lab.

Sky News Australia anchor and Investigations Writer at The Australian, Sharri has been at the forefront of investigating the origins of COVID-19 since early in 2020 when the virus spread globally. Since that time, the precise genesis of COVID-19 has been hotly contested, with scientists, government officials, the World Health Organization, and the Chinese authorities releasing conflicting reports.

In a coup for Australian television, Sharri secures the first sit-down interview for an Australian broadcast media outlet with Donald Trump since he was elected president in 2016.

Sharri also speaks with a range of Chinese whistle-blowers, scientists, and high-ranking intelligence officials to bring us closer to discovering the truth of what happened in Wuhan.

These include John Ratcliffe, the U.S. Director of National Intelligence from 2020 to 2021, and former head of British intelligence service, Mi6, Sir Richard Dearlove.


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Postby ScHoolboySoloQ » October 10th, 2021, 1:04 am

The_Honourable wrote:This Sky News Australia special investigation into the origins of COVID-19 reveals what really happened in Wuhan in the early days of the pandemic.

Award-winning journalist Sharri Markson spent more than a year investigating the potential leak of the virus from a top-secret laboratory in Wuhan. Ms Markson uncovered evidence of a widespread cover-up and unpacks the new theory that “patient zero” worked in the Wuhan lab.

Sky News Australia anchor and Investigations Writer at The Australian, Sharri has been at the forefront of investigating the origins of COVID-19 since early in 2020 when the virus spread globally. Since that time, the precise genesis of COVID-19 has been hotly contested, with scientists, government officials, the World Health Organization, and the Chinese authorities releasing conflicting reports.

In a coup for Australian television, Sharri secures the first sit-down interview for an Australian broadcast media outlet with Donald Trump since he was elected president in 2016.

Sharri also speaks with a range of Chinese whistle-blowers, scientists, and high-ranking intelligence officials to bring us closer to discovering the truth of what happened in Wuhan.

These include John Ratcliffe, the U.S. Director of National Intelligence from 2020 to 2021, and former head of British intelligence service, Mi6, Sir Richard Dearlove.



There is no evidence of uncovered evidence of a widespread cover-up. It was zoonotic transmission. End of discussion.

Don't be a conspiracy theorist.

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Postby aaron17 » October 12th, 2021, 12:50 pm

Sounds what a politician would say

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Re: Covid-19's origin. natural or lab made?

Postby adnj » October 24th, 2021, 2:19 pm

COVID-19 origins: Closest viruses to SARS-CoV-2 found in Laos

Numerous theories exist around the origins of the SARS-CoV-2 virus, which causes COVID-19, but none has yet been proven.

Parts of the genome of the SARS-CoV-2 virus are so unusual that it has given rise to theories that the virus must have been developed in a lab.

Researchers have now discovered that bats living in caves in Laos host strains of viruses so similar to SARS-CoV-2 that they could infect humans.

This discovery could prove the natural origins of the COVID-19 pandemic and that direct bat-to-human transmission of the virus is a possible cause of the pandemic.

All data and statistics are based on publicly available data at the time of publication. Some information may be out of date. Visit our coronavirus hub and follow our live updates page for the most recent information on the COVID-19 pandemic.


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Re: Covid-19's origin. natural or lab made?

Postby redmanjp » January 14th, 2022, 8:46 pm

so they downplayed the lab leak theory for political reasons

https://news.yahoo.com/scientists-believed-covid-leaked-wuhan-211452135.html

Scientists believed Covid leaked from Wuhan lab - but feared debate could hurt ‘international harmony’
Sarah Knapton
Tue, January 11, 2022, 5:14 PM·4 min read

Leading British and US scientists thought it was likely that Covid accidentally leaked from a laboratory but were concerned that further debate would harm science in China, emails show.

An email from Sir Jeremy Farrar, director of the Wellcome Trust, on February 2 2020 said that “a likely explanation” was that Covid had rapidly evolved from a Sars-like virus inside human tissue in a low-security lab.

The email, to Dr Anthony Fauci and Dr Francis Collins of the US National Institutes of Health, went on to say that such evolution may have “accidentally created a virus primed for rapid transmission between humans”.

But a leading scientist told Sir Jeremy that “further debate would do unnecessary harm to science in general and science in China in particular”. Dr Collins, the former director of the US National Institutes of Health, warned it could damage “international harmony”.

Viscount Ridley, co-author of Viral: the search for the origin of Covid, said: “These emails show a lamentable lack of openness and transparency among Western scientists who appear to have been more interested in shutting down a hypothesis they thought was very plausible, for political reasons.”

In the emails, Sir Jeremy said that other scientists also believed the virus could not have evolved naturally. One such scientist was Professor Mike Farzan, of Scripps Research, the expert who discovered how the original Sars virus binds to human cells.

Scientists were particularly concerned by a part of Covid-19 called the furin cleavage site, a section of the spike protein which helps it enter cells and makes it so infectious to humans.

Summarising Professor Farzan’s concerns in an email, Sir Jeremy said: “He is bothered by the furin site and has a hard time (to) explain that as an event outside the lab, though there are possible ways in nature but highly unlikely.

“I think this becomes a question of how do you put all this together, whether you believe in this series of coincidences, what you know of the lab in Wuhan, how much could be in nature - accidental release or natural event? I am 70:30 or 60:40.”


Later emails showed that by February 4, Sir Jeremy had revised his estimate of a laboratory leak to 50:50, while Professor Eddie Holmes, of the University of Sydney, gave a 60:40 estimate in favour of an accidental release.

The emails also show that Bob Garry, of the University of Texas, was unconvinced that Covid-19 emerged naturally.

“I just can’t figure out how this gets accomplished in nature,” he said.

Professor Andrew Rambaut, from the University of Edinburgh, also said that furin cleavage site “strikes me as unusual”.

He added: “I think the only people with sufficient information or access to samples to address it would be the teams working in Wuhan.”

The new details came to light after members of the US Republican House Oversight Committee were granted access to the documents, after complaining that their content had been heavily redacted when released under Freedom of Information requests.

The emails were sent in response to a teleconference between 12 scientists including Sir Patrick Vallance, the Government's chief scientific adviser, on February 1.

The emails show that by February 2 2020, scientists were already trying to shut down the debate into the laboratory leak theory.

An email from Dr Ron Fouchier to Sir Jeremy said: “Further debate about such accusations would unnecessarily distract top researchers from their active duties and do unnecessary harm to science in general and science in China in particular.”

Dr Collins, former director of the NIH, replied to Sir Jeremy stating: “I share your view that a swift convening of experts in a confidence-inspiring framework is needed or the voices of conspiracy will quickly dominate, doing great potential harm to science and international harmony.”

Institutions which held the emails have repeatedly resisted efforts to publish their content.

The University of Edinburgh recently turned down an Freedom of Information request from The Telegraph asking to see Prof Rambaut’s replies, claiming “disclosure would be likely to endanger the physical or mental health and safety of individuals”.

James Comer, the Republican congressman who secured the unredacted emails, said it showed that experts like Dr Fauci had taken the Wuhan lab leak theory “much more seriously” than they had let on.

Sir Jeremy has been approached for comment but had not replied at the time of publication.

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Re: Covid-19's origin. natural or lab made?

Postby Mmoney607 » January 14th, 2022, 9:38 pm

redmanjp wrote:so they downplayed the lab leak theory for political reasons

https://news.yahoo.com/scientists-believed-covid-leaked-wuhan-211452135.html

Scientists believed Covid leaked from Wuhan lab - but feared debate could hurt ‘international harmony’
Sarah Knapton
Tue, January 11, 2022, 5:14 PM·4 min read

Leading British and US scientists thought it was likely that Covid accidentally leaked from a laboratory but were concerned that further debate would harm science in China, emails show.

An email from Sir Jeremy Farrar, director of the Wellcome Trust, on February 2 2020 said that “a likely explanation” was that Covid had rapidly evolved from a Sars-like virus inside human tissue in a low-security lab.

The email, to Dr Anthony Fauci and Dr Francis Collins of the US National Institutes of Health, went on to say that such evolution may have “accidentally created a virus primed for rapid transmission between humans”.

But a leading scientist told Sir Jeremy that “further debate would do unnecessary harm to science in general and science in China in particular”. Dr Collins, the former director of the US National Institutes of Health, warned it could damage “international harmony”.

Viscount Ridley, co-author of Viral: the search for the origin of Covid, said: “These emails show a lamentable lack of openness and transparency among Western scientists who appear to have been more interested in shutting down a hypothesis they thought was very plausible, for political reasons.”

In the emails, Sir Jeremy said that other scientists also believed the virus could not have evolved naturally. One such scientist was Professor Mike Farzan, of Scripps Research, the expert who discovered how the original Sars virus binds to human cells.

Scientists were particularly concerned by a part of Covid-19 called the furin cleavage site, a section of the spike protein which helps it enter cells and makes it so infectious to humans.

Summarising Professor Farzan’s concerns in an email, Sir Jeremy said: “He is bothered by the furin site and has a hard time (to) explain that as an event outside the lab, though there are possible ways in nature but highly unlikely.

“I think this becomes a question of how do you put all this together, whether you believe in this series of coincidences, what you know of the lab in Wuhan, how much could be in nature - accidental release or natural event? I am 70:30 or 60:40.”


Later emails showed that by February 4, Sir Jeremy had revised his estimate of a laboratory leak to 50:50, while Professor Eddie Holmes, of the University of Sydney, gave a 60:40 estimate in favour of an accidental release.

The emails also show that Bob Garry, of the University of Texas, was unconvinced that Covid-19 emerged naturally.

“I just can’t figure out how this gets accomplished in nature,” he said.

Professor Andrew Rambaut, from the University of Edinburgh, also said that furin cleavage site “strikes me as unusual”.

He added: “I think the only people with sufficient information or access to samples to address it would be the teams working in Wuhan.”

The new details came to light after members of the US Republican House Oversight Committee were granted access to the documents, after complaining that their content had been heavily redacted when released under Freedom of Information requests.

The emails were sent in response to a teleconference between 12 scientists including Sir Patrick Vallance, the Government's chief scientific adviser, on February 1.

The emails show that by February 2 2020, scientists were already trying to shut down the debate into the laboratory leak theory.

An email from Dr Ron Fouchier to Sir Jeremy said: “Further debate about such accusations would unnecessarily distract top researchers from their active duties and do unnecessary harm to science in general and science in China in particular.”

Dr Collins, former director of the NIH, replied to Sir Jeremy stating: “I share your view that a swift convening of experts in a confidence-inspiring framework is needed or the voices of conspiracy will quickly dominate, doing great potential harm to science and international harmony.”

Institutions which held the emails have repeatedly resisted efforts to publish their content.

The University of Edinburgh recently turned down an Freedom of Information request from The Telegraph asking to see Prof Rambaut’s replies, claiming “disclosure would be likely to endanger the physical or mental health and safety of individuals”.

James Comer, the Republican congressman who secured the unredacted emails, said it showed that experts like Dr Fauci had taken the Wuhan lab leak theory “much more seriously” than they had let on.

Sir Jeremy has been approached for comment but had not replied at the time of publication.


Yet these very scientists are responsible for every thought, policy and action in the response

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Re: Covid-19's origin. natural or lab made?

Postby De Dragon » January 14th, 2022, 9:48 pm

drchaos wrote:
timelapse wrote:Chicken pox:. Deaths are very rare now due to the vaccine program. However, some deaths from chickenpox continue to occur in healthy, unvaccinated children and adults. In the past, many of the healthy adults who died from chickenpox contracted the disease from their unvaccinated children.
Source :https://www.cdc.gov/chickenpox/about/complications.html


If healthy people were dropping dead from chicken pox before we had a vaccine I wonder why we didn't lock down, have mask mandates and block public skin exposure, mandate the vaccine and close the beach?

Seems only logical right? :?

Chickenpox occurs in all parts of the world.[8] In 2013 there were 140 million cases of chickenpox and shingles worldwide.[13] Before routine immunization the number of cases occurring each year was similar to the number of people born.[8] Since immunization the number of infections in the United States has decreased nearly 90%.[8] In 2015 chickenpox resulted in 6,400 deaths globally – down from 8,900 in 1990.[6][14] Death occurs in about 1 per 60,000 cases.[8] Chickenpox was not separated from smallpox until the late 19th century.[8] In 1888 its connection to shingles was determined.[8] The first documented use of the term chicken pox was in 1658.[15] Various explanations have been suggested for the use of "chicken" in the name, one being the relative mildness of the disease.[15]
Dr. Falsi, relax yuhself, millions dead vs a few thousand and you want lockdowns? You really are a quack.

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Re: Covid-19's origin. natural or lab made?

Postby Dizzy28 » January 15th, 2022, 5:45 pm

On the two year anniversary of this just dropping it here !!
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