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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby timelapse » May 21st, 2021, 7:14 am

My solution, They plant up the entire area with weed.Everybody is required by law to smoke 3 times daily.War done in a month guaranteed.

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby Redman » May 21st, 2021, 7:51 am

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To be clear, in case anyone thinks they should be supporting Hamas/Iran/Muslim Brotherhood:
Hamas/Muslim brotherhood/isis/daish (aka the khawarij/dogs-of-the-fire) and the Extremist Shia in Iran (aka Rafidah) are cut from the same revolutionary, un-Islamic, disbelieving (kafir), terrorist cloth, and should be abandoned by the Muslims. The Zionists stole the land and kill and oppress the Arab people, yes, but Hamas/Iran are war-mongering terrorists also.

The Muslims should be supporting (sending aid) to registered charities, and aiding their families and friends in the region. Hamas/Iran/Muslim Brotherhood and their ilk are lowlifes just as the coward IDF soldiers that kill/maim and capture the innocent Arabs in their own homes.

Filthy Hamas and Extremist-shias working together: Ikhwani Hamas Leaders, Ismael Haniyeh and Khaled Mashal, Paying Respect at the Wathan (Idol) of Ayatollah Khomeini

http://www.ikhwanis.com/articles/ysztzk ... omeini.cfm

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Wraith King wrote:Israel's death toll would be significantly higher if they didn't have the Iron Dome.

There isn't an innocent party in this conflict.
Hammas was borne out of the terrorist organization but ended up becoming the 'community leaders' for the people. So much so they won elections to govern the place.


The only other option give up and die. Gaza strip is about the size of tobago airh 1.8m people. It's blockaded right around with all access and utilities controlled by Israel. The largest open air prison.

The west bank are a collection of smaller islands of Palestinians lands that are repeatedly in add and tske over by Israeli settlers.


If u are comparable with squatters enterting ur proepty and throwing u out, then yes, Hammas is evil and their actions are reprehensible.


Me, I like Malcom x, by any means necessary.
Stand up to opression, fight injustices.


Hamas can not beat Israel.
Israel is a recognized nation and ultimately will always be entitled to exist.

Maybe Hamas should spend more on education and infrastructure.Cut the.military budget for a few years.
Stabilize their areas, attract investment from the wealthy Arab nations and develop the people.

If the Arab thesis is Jews like money...then use that.

The militant approach hasn't worked ....do something else.

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby sMASH » May 21st, 2021, 8:18 am

when they do somethign else, the palestinians properties are resettled and they gt displaced.
they get robbed when there is peace and get bombed when they resist.

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby pugboy » May 21st, 2021, 8:20 am

so how much more land israel clear out this rounds ?

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby pugboy » May 21st, 2021, 8:20 am

y’all ever watched the series fauda on netflix?

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby Dizzy28 » May 21st, 2021, 8:39 am

pugboy wrote:y’all ever watched the series fauda on netflix?


Yip pretty good.
Although Doron's ego responsible for everything bad that has happened.

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby Gladiator » May 21st, 2021, 8:40 am

pugboy wrote:y’all ever watched the series fauda on netflix?


That was a very good series... hard to determine who right and who wrong though...just like in real.

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby Redman » May 21st, 2021, 9:10 am

sMASH wrote:when they do somethign else, the palestinians properties are resettled and they gt displaced.
they get robbed when there is peace and get bombed wen they resist.


Ok can you show when Hamas has spent more on development than on Arms etc?

Or the PEOPLE can continue to get stomped on while kept in the chit by Hamas' singular vision.

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby Dizzy28 » May 21st, 2021, 9:20 am

sMASH wrote:https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=883489175841353



Behaviour and actions such as this reinforces to the Israelis why they need to be the way they are. It proves that they live in an antagonistic neighborhood.

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby sMASH » May 21st, 2021, 9:26 am

im not disputing how much they spent on development or arms.

i made it clear, they were a terrorist org from inception. but ended up becoming the de facto govt, cause they have the most amount of organization in the area.

gaza will not be allowed to expand or improve because it is blockaded right around by isreal. no movement out, no access to sea, not fishing, no airport.

george flyod is the perfect analogy to this thing. when they resist, they taze or shoot them. when they comply, they put pressure to strangle them.
irael doesnt want a two state solution, they want all the land. and will keep pushing in till they get it, eventually.

the palestinians who live in israel, like jerusalem, and agree with israel, are still second class citizens, and have separate rights to the other citizens there. and their status can be demoted at any time, where they will be deported to the west bank or gaza... even if they never lived there.

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby Bad Dog » May 21st, 2021, 9:33 am

Redman wrote:
Hamas can not beat Israel.
Israel is a recognized nation and ultimately will always be entitled to exist.

Maybe Hamas should spend more on education and infrastructure.Cut the.military budget for a few years.
Stabilize their areas, attract investment from the wealthy Arab nations and develop the people.

If the Arab thesis is Jews like money...then use that.

The militant approach hasn't worked ....do something else.


Gaza is an open-air prison where Israel controls the land, sea and air. They cannot attract any investments. They are shot at during peaceful protest and the civilian population and infrastructure is attacked by the IDF using military equipment during resistance. Israel exercises all the powers of an occupying force with none of the responsibilities and are supported and armed by the US of A. They are protected at the UNSC by the US. Also, they have defied almost all resolution passed by the UNSC. There will be no two state solution to the conflict in historic Palestine.

The Zionist Plan (Yinon Plan) The “Greater Israel” project consists in weakening and eventually fracturing neighboring Arab states as part of a US-Israeli expansionist project, with the support of NATO and Saudi Arabia.

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby Redman » May 21st, 2021, 10:17 am

So the millions that Hamas is attracting from Turkey Qatar and other Arabic nations is only for war?

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby MaxPower » May 21st, 2021, 10:18 am

Slim,

Let me be the one to caution you if the Mods havent made a turn for you already bro.

While i can agree with alot you’re saying, you have to be respectful to our Muslim brothers and sisters on the forum.

You can’t be saying things like “stupid mosque” and belittling the Muslim community bro.

Again, while i can agree with you…you have to be careful with what you say and how you interpret things.

Don’t get banned like me for my past comments about our Muslims.

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby sMASH » May 21st, 2021, 10:29 am

Redman wrote:So the millions that Hamas is attracting from Turkey Qatar and other Arabic nations is only for war?



call it 'defense budget' like what isreal calls its arms donations.

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby alfa » May 21st, 2021, 10:42 am

sMASH wrote:
Redman wrote:So the millions that Hamas is attracting from Turkey Qatar and other Arabic nations is only for war?



call it 'defense budget' like what isreal calls its arms donations.

If I don't steal your house someone else will steal it. That's the whole reason why terrorist group Hamas is allowed to exist and unfortunately capitalize on the people

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby sMASH » May 21st, 2021, 11:42 am

isreal doesnt get questioned as to why it spends money on arms, cause it gets arms.



this is what happens when u want peace with israel... subjugation.


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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby pugboy » May 21st, 2021, 12:05 pm

uncle sam provides a lot to israel

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby Redman » May 21st, 2021, 12:50 pm

sMASH wrote:
Redman wrote:So the millions that Hamas is attracting from Turkey Qatar and other Arabic nations is only for war?



call it 'defense budget' like what isreal calls its arms donations.

Israel is a nation state...that is recognized as such.

Hamas' is trying to become one and needs to evolve past the terror group they are today.

Hamas' is not equivalent to Israel.
Israel spends less than 20% of it's expenditure on Defense.
Hamas' spends more than half.

Hamas' recieves money on behalf of the 2M Palestinians.
Do some research into what the people need...like water schools ...stability.

Arabs have a long history of trying to beat Israel.

Arabs have a long history of getting stomped on by Israel.

It is impossible for the Arabs to iradicate Israel.

It is possible for Palestine to stabilize, evolve and grow into a country. they would have the moral support of the world.
And financial support of the Arab nations.

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby Kickstart » May 21st, 2021, 12:51 pm

pugboy wrote:uncle sam provides a lot to israel
USA is owned and runned by Jews. That's why US supports them

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby sMASH » May 21st, 2021, 12:58 pm

Redman wrote:
sMASH wrote:
Redman wrote:So the millions that Hamas is attracting from Turkey Qatar and other Arabic nations is only for war?



call it 'defense budget' like what isreal calls its arms donations.

Israel is a nation state...that is recognized as such.

Hamas' is trying to become one and needs to evolve past the terror group they are today.

Hamas' is not equivalent to Israel.
Israel spends less than 20% of it's expenditure on Defense.
Hamas' spends more than half.

Hamas' recieves money on behalf of the 2M Palestinians.
Do some research into what the people need...like water schools ...stability.

Arabs have a long history of trying to beat Israel.

Arabs have a long history of getting stomped on by Israel.

It is impossible for the Arabs to iradicate Israel.

It is possible for Palestine to stabilize, evolve and grow into a country. they would have the moral support of the world.
And financial support of the Arab nations.


if isreal is considered a nation state, what are the palestinians?

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby timelapse » May 21st, 2021, 1:21 pm

Heathens that deserve to lose their land.The real estate God didn't give them the land...
sMASH wrote:
Redman wrote:
sMASH wrote:
Redman wrote:So the millions that Hamas is attracting from Turkey Qatar and other Arabic nations is only for war?



call it 'defense budget' like what isreal calls its arms donations.

Israel is a nation state...that is recognized as such.

Hamas' is trying to become one and needs to evolve past the terror group they are today.

Hamas' is not equivalent to Israel.
Israel spends less than 20% of it's expenditure on Defense.
Hamas' spends more than half.

Hamas' recieves money on behalf of the 2M Palestinians.
Do some research into what the people need...like water schools ...stability.

Arabs have a long history of trying to beat Israel.

Arabs have a long history of getting stomped on by Israel.

It is impossible for the Arabs to iradicate Israel.

It is possible for Palestine to stabilize, evolve and grow into a country. they would have the moral support of the world.
And financial support of the Arab nations.


if isreal is considered a nation state, what are the palestinians?

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby Redman » May 21st, 2021, 1:23 pm

Google will help you make a distinction between Hamas and Palestine.

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby sMASH » May 21st, 2021, 1:36 pm

Redman wrote:Google will help you make a distinction between Hamas and Palestine.

a people living under occupation, like south africa.

the simple thing, someone comes into ur yard, living in ur house, and bossing u around, do what? make tea for them and watch some movies?
fleck dat. middle east genes aint about being slaves.

to reference the new hampshire motto, live free or die trying.
to quote malcom x, by any means necessary.

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby Drea » May 21st, 2021, 1:46 pm

Interesting perspectives, I actually took some time to do a bit of research and reading on this whole situation last night as prior I really wasn't taking it on. Honestly, while I don't think I will ever grasp the entirety of the situation it is tremendously sad what both sides are going through (particularly innocent citizens) and I really don't see any end this.

From what I've read (and I could be mislead given that my sources might be considered western media accounts) but Hamas seems to be very pro-jihad measures and believes it is their mission to take back Palestine (aka Israel) and they have no issues doing so under "holy war". So why then would Israel ever truly believe that they can come to an amicable resolution with them and live peacefully?

Again my understanding may be limited and I stand to be corrected where I am wrong.

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby sMASH » May 21st, 2021, 1:58 pm

now u have to research the zionist movement from the 19th century come forward. and understand how they came to be where they are now.

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby Drea » May 21st, 2021, 2:11 pm

sMASH wrote:now u have to research the zionist movement from the 19th century come forward. and understand how they came to be where they are now.


Def will do.

Just to reference what I would have checked out already about how Israel even came to be and the trials they themselves had to go through with Egypt etc..

https://www.history.com/.amp/topics/mid ... -of-israel
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/ba ... w-of-hamas

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby sMASH » May 21st, 2021, 2:15 pm

note, i did not denounce any of ur findings. as they are not innocent in this.
even if they are guilty of some of the wrongs going on there, the predominant problem is, some people living in a piece of land, and other people moved in and was taking it away. the occupiers had very strong allies to ward off any opponents, and took more land, and keep getting supplied with arms.

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby Redman » May 21st, 2021, 3:11 pm

sMASH wrote:
Redman wrote:Google will help you make a distinction between Hamas and Palestine.

a people living under occupation, like south africa.

the simple thing, someone comes into ur yard, living in ur house, and bossing u around, do what? make tea for them and watch some movies?
fleck dat. middle east genes aint about being slaves.

to reference the new hampshire motto, live free or die trying.
to quote malcom x, by any means necessary.


Is there a reason that you keep repeating your understanding of the history?

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby SuperiorMan » May 21st, 2021, 3:39 pm

sMASH wrote:
Redman wrote:Google will help you make a distinction between Hamas and Palestine.

a people living under occupation, like south africa.

the simple thing, someone comes into ur yard, living in ur house, and bossing u around, do what? make tea for them and watch some movies?
fleck dat. middle east genes aint about being slaves.

to reference the new hampshire motto, live free or die trying.
to quote malcom x, by any means necessary.


The arabs were conquered and toyed with by Europeans, Mongols and Turks etc. so not sure about middle east genes ain't about being that.

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