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redmanjp wrote:so i assume no observation period for 2nd shots? my mom said she didn't need any for her 2nd AZ shot.
stev wrote:redmanjp wrote:so i assume no observation period for 2nd shots? my mom said she didn't need any for her 2nd AZ shot.
10 minutes....the nurse asked that i sit for only 10 mins as opposed to the 30-45 minute wait when i got the 1st shot.
redmanjp wrote:
teems1 wrote:Saw a drive through vaccination spot set up at the nagar site.
What's the procedure to get through there? Still letters of your surname?
WhiteAnalyst wrote:What all you think of this?
Hundreds of vaccinated Indonesian health workers get COVID-19, dozens in hospital
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-paci ... 2021-06-17
JAKARTA, June 17 (Reuters) - More than 350 doctors and medical workers have caught COVID-19 in Indonesia despite being vaccinated with Sinovac and dozens have been hospitalised, officials said, as concerns grow about the efficacy of some vaccines against more infectious variants.
Most of the workers were asymptomatic and self-isolating at home, said Badai Ismoyo, head of the health office in the district of Kudus in central Java, but dozens were in hospital with high fevers and falling oxygen-saturation levels.
Kudus, which has about 5,000 healthcare workers, is battling an outbreak believed to be driven by the more transmissible Delta variant, which has raised its bed occupancy rates above 90%.
Designated as a priority group, healthcare workers were among the first to be vaccinated when inoculations began in January.
Almost all have received the COVID-19 vaccine developed by Chinese biopharmaceutical company Sinovac, the Indonesian Medical Association (IDI) says.
While the number of Indonesian healthcare workers dying from COVID-19 has dropped sharply from 158 in January to 13 in May, according to data initiative group LaporCOVID-19, public health experts say the Java hospitalisations are cause for concern.
"The data shows they have the Delta variant (in Kudus) so it is no surprise that the breakthrough infection is higher than before, because, as we know, the majority of healthcare workers in Indonesia got Sinovac, and we still don’t know yet how effective it is in the real world against the Delta variant,” said Dicky Budiman, an epidemiologist at Australia's Griffith University.
A spokesperson from Sinovac was not immediately available for comment on the efficacy of the Chinese firm's CoronaVac against newer variants of the virus.
The World Health Organization (WHO) approved emergency use of Sinovac's vaccine this month, saying results showed it prevented symptomatic disease in 51% of recipients and prevented severe COVID-19 and hospital stays. read more
As Indonesia grappled with one of Asia's worst outbreaks, with over 1.9 million infections and 53,000 deaths, its doctors and nurses have suffered a heavy toll of 946 deaths.
Many are now experiencing pandemic fatigue and taking a less vigilant approach to health protocols after being vaccinated, said Lenny Ekawati, from the independent health-linked data group LaporCOVID-19.
Across Indonesia, at least five doctors and one nurse have died from COVID-19 despite being vaccinated, according to LaporCOVID-19, although one had only received a first shot.
Siti Nadia Tarmizi, a senior health ministry official, did not immediately respond to a request for comment on how many doctors have died since the vaccination program began.
In Kudus, one senior doctor has died, said IDI.
Nadia said there had been no deaths in Kudus since a new outbreak began in the past several weeks among medical workers and that those who contracted COVID-19 have had mild symptoms.
In Jakarta, the capital, radiologist Dr Prijo Sidipratomo told Reuters he knew of at least half a dozen doctors hospitalised with COVID-19 in the past month despite being vaccinated, with one now being treated in an ICU.
"It is alarming for us because we cannot rely on vaccinations only," he said, urging people to take precautions.
Weeks after the Muslim Eid Al-Fitr holidays, Indonesia has experienced a surge in cases, with the positivity rate exceeding 23% on Wednesday and daily cases nearing 10,000, its highest since late February.
In its latest report, the WHO urged Indonesia to tighten its lockdown amid increased transmission and a surge in bed occupancy rates.
Dohplaydat wrote:WhiteAnalyst wrote:What all you think of this?
Hundreds of vaccinated Indonesian health workers get COVID-19, dozens in hospital
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-paci ... 2021-06-17
JAKARTA, June 17 (Reuters) - More than 350 doctors and medical workers have caught COVID-19 in Indonesia despite being vaccinated with Sinovac and dozens have been hospitalised, officials said, as concerns grow about the efficacy of some vaccines against more infectious variants.
Most of the workers were asymptomatic and self-isolating at home, said Badai Ismoyo, head of the health office in the district of Kudus in central Java, but dozens were in hospital with high fevers and falling oxygen-saturation levels.
Kudus, which has about 5,000 healthcare workers, is battling an outbreak believed to be driven by the more transmissible Delta variant, which has raised its bed occupancy rates above 90%.
Designated as a priority group, healthcare workers were among the first to be vaccinated when inoculations began in January.
Almost all have received the COVID-19 vaccine developed by Chinese biopharmaceutical company Sinovac, the Indonesian Medical Association (IDI) says.
While the number of Indonesian healthcare workers dying from COVID-19 has dropped sharply from 158 in January to 13 in May, according to data initiative group LaporCOVID-19, public health experts say the Java hospitalisations are cause for concern.
"The data shows they have the Delta variant (in Kudus) so it is no surprise that the breakthrough infection is higher than before, because, as we know, the majority of healthcare workers in Indonesia got Sinovac, and we still don’t know yet how effective it is in the real world against the Delta variant,” said Dicky Budiman, an epidemiologist at Australia's Griffith University.
A spokesperson from Sinovac was not immediately available for comment on the efficacy of the Chinese firm's CoronaVac against newer variants of the virus.
The World Health Organization (WHO) approved emergency use of Sinovac's vaccine this month, saying results showed it prevented symptomatic disease in 51% of recipients and prevented severe COVID-19 and hospital stays. read more
As Indonesia grappled with one of Asia's worst outbreaks, with over 1.9 million infections and 53,000 deaths, its doctors and nurses have suffered a heavy toll of 946 deaths.
Many are now experiencing pandemic fatigue and taking a less vigilant approach to health protocols after being vaccinated, said Lenny Ekawati, from the independent health-linked data group LaporCOVID-19.
Across Indonesia, at least five doctors and one nurse have died from COVID-19 despite being vaccinated, according to LaporCOVID-19, although one had only received a first shot.
Siti Nadia Tarmizi, a senior health ministry official, did not immediately respond to a request for comment on how many doctors have died since the vaccination program began.
In Kudus, one senior doctor has died, said IDI.
Nadia said there had been no deaths in Kudus since a new outbreak began in the past several weeks among medical workers and that those who contracted COVID-19 have had mild symptoms.
In Jakarta, the capital, radiologist Dr Prijo Sidipratomo told Reuters he knew of at least half a dozen doctors hospitalised with COVID-19 in the past month despite being vaccinated, with one now being treated in an ICU.
"It is alarming for us because we cannot rely on vaccinations only," he said, urging people to take precautions.
Weeks after the Muslim Eid Al-Fitr holidays, Indonesia has experienced a surge in cases, with the positivity rate exceeding 23% on Wednesday and daily cases nearing 10,000, its highest since late February.
In its latest report, the WHO urged Indonesia to tighten its lockdown amid increased transmission and a surge in bed occupancy rates.
Chinavacs don't stop the spread, they basically just make Covid mild or asymptomatic (which will save your life) but unless everyone gets vaccinated, a country using Chinavacs will continue to have outbreaks.
Many are now experiencing pandemic fatigue and taking an increasingly laissez-faire approach to health protocols after being vaccinated, said Lenny Ekawati, from LaporCOVID-19.
“That phenomenon happens quite often these days, not only within the community but also healthcare workers,” she said, “They think because they are vaccinated that they are safe.”
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:teems1 wrote:Saw a drive through vaccination spot set up at the nagar site.
What's the procedure to get through there? Still letters of your surname?
Only for certain business sectors at this time
https://tt.loopnews.com/content/ttma-va ... nagar-site
sucre251 wrote:For the million and 7th time, a vaccine doesn't prevent you from contracting the disease, it helps your immune system fight it faster and easier without serious consequences, i.e. hospitalization or worse. I fed up read people saying the same thing over and over and over like they just cannot understand this concept.
sucre251 wrote:For the million and 7th time, a vaccine doesn't prevent you from contracting the disease, it helps your immune system fight it faster and easier without serious consequences, i.e. hospitalization or worse. I fed up read people saying the same thing over and over and over like they just cannot understand this concept.
redmanjp wrote:sucre251 wrote:For the million and 7th time, a vaccine doesn't prevent you from contracting the disease, it helps your immune system fight it faster and easier without serious consequences, i.e. hospitalization or worse. I fed up read people saying the same thing over and over and over like they just cannot understand this concept.
all depends on WHICH vaccine. mRNA does both. dat is why mericans taking off dey masks and getting rid of ALL restrictions. and the 95% efficacy doesn't mean the 5% will spread it. the data shows even those cases have a much lower viral load so most don't spread it.
all hail pfizer/moderna
paid_influencer wrote:well they did say deaths are down sharply (158 in January to 13 in May). so the sinovac working.
my takeaway from the article is these inactivated-virus vaccines, at least in the short term, reduce deaths and hospitalizations at a population level, but won't give anyone a get-out-of-pandemic card like the mRNA vaccines do.
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:teems1 wrote:Saw a drive through vaccination spot set up at the nagar site.
What's the procedure to get through there? Still letters of your surname?
Only for certain business sectors at this time
https://tt.loopnews.com/content/ttma-va ... nagar-site
WhiteAnalyst wrote:sucre251 wrote:For the million and 7th time, a vaccine doesn't prevent you from contracting the disease, it helps your immune system fight it faster and easier without serious consequences, i.e. hospitalization or worse. I fed up read people saying the same thing over and over and over like they just cannot understand this concept.
Clown, we talking about the lack of protection against severe disease. As you can see from the article, doctors were admitted to ICU and some died. Try to keep up.
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sucre251 wrote:For the million and 7th time, a vaccine doesn't prevent you from contracting the disease, it helps your immune system fight it faster and easier without serious consequences, i.e. hospitalization or worse. I fed up read people saying the same thing over and over and over like they just cannot understand this concept.
shake d livin wake d dead wrote:Ah go left it here too
Gladiator wrote:sucre251 wrote:For the million and 7th time, a vaccine doesn't prevent you from contracting the disease, it helps your immune system fight it faster and easier without serious consequences, i.e. hospitalization or worse. I fed up read people saying the same thing over and over and over like they just cannot understand this concept.
I hear you saying the same thing the pro vaccine people pushing. But is this how vaccines always worked? When we took yellow fever, MMR etc we never got these diseases at any level. I myself have 15 vaccines, no room on my card... the vaccines do expire. But if I have a tetanus vaccine... i dont expect to get tetanus but live to fight it off in hospital.
The takeaway is that right now as the pandemic rages, any vaccine is better than none,
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