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Redman wrote:People refusing to take the vaccine should be made to post a bond or pay for treatment if they are infected and require hospitalization.
Redman wrote:People refusing to take the vaccine should be made to post a bond or pay for treatment if they are infected and require hospitalization.
timothymcdavid wrote:
Is how much paying for that Sinopharm again. 200 Guyana dollars(GYD) is 1 USD roughly. So 1 Billion GYD that is like 5mil USD or there about.
Seem like the Guyanese Leadership up to the usual tricks.
https://demerarawaves.com/2021/06/15/harmon-calls-for-full-explanation-from-ali-about-sputnik-v-vaccine-racket/
Really funny that the leader of the opposition calling the govt out on this but let us see what happens.
Prices quoted for Sputnik V is 10USD and Sinopharm is 5USD what the Government of Guyana actually paid was 24USD and 16USD respectively how much Imbert paying per dose there?
Habit7 wrote:Redman wrote:People refusing to take the vaccine should be made to post a bond or pay for treatment if they are infected and require hospitalization.
Seriously disagree.
Nope then you taking away my right as a citizen to free health care
Redman wrote:why should your personal choice come at the expense of the population when that singular choice is not to do what is collectively beneficial?
hover11 wrote:That's why it's a non disclosure agreement because they not paying for it via normal prices ....the Chinese are setting their separate prices here it's a Qin win the Chinese gets more money and the government of the day doesn't look bad
Habit7 wrote:...and in similar policy decisions, speeders, drug overdosers, murderers, smokers, sufferers of type 2 diabetes and the obese will not receive free healthcare. Because:Redman wrote:why should your personal choice come at the expense of the population when that singular choice is not to do what is collectively beneficial?
"17And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
redmanjp wrote:shouldn't be mandatory by law, as in u can get fired or fined/jailed. but to reopen more high risks aspects of the economy safely, e.g. indoors bars, indoor dining, nightclubs, etc. i think a vax pass could work for customers as a temporary regulation until cases go down. outdoors is fine for unvaccinated.
just like if u doh want your child to get all the mmr and other vaccines then they can't enroll in school.
NayGerPlz wrote:redmanjp wrote:shouldn't be mandatory by law, as in u can get fired or fined/jailed. but to reopen more high risks aspects of the economy safely, e.g. indoors bars, indoor dining, nightclubs, etc. i think a vax pass could work for customers as a temporary regulation until cases go down. outdoors is fine for unvaccinated.
just like if u doh want your child to get all the mmr and other vaccines then they can't enroll in school.
Isn't that discrimination?
redmanjp wrote:NayGerPlz wrote:redmanjp wrote:shouldn't be mandatory by law, as in u can get fired or fined/jailed. but to reopen more high risks aspects of the economy safely, e.g. indoors bars, indoor dining, nightclubs, etc. i think a vax pass could work for customers as a temporary regulation until cases go down. outdoors is fine for unvaccinated.
just like if u doh want your child to get all the mmr and other vaccines then they can't enroll in school.
Isn't that discrimination?
it's not anymore than the school requirement, or -some businesses having to close under the health regulations while others allowed to open, or not allowing someone without a mask into a store is.
Redman wrote:Habit7 wrote:Redman wrote:People refusing to take the vaccine should be made to post a bond or pay for treatment if they are infected and require hospitalization.
Seriously disagree.
@hover11Nope then you taking away my right as a citizen to free health care
So why?
A choice not to vaccinate comes with consequences that go beyond the individual.
why should your personal choice come at the expense of the population when that singular choice is not to do what is collectively beneficial?
NayGerPlz wrote:redmanjp wrote:NayGerPlz wrote:redmanjp wrote:shouldn't be mandatory by law, as in u can get fired or fined/jailed. but to reopen more high risks aspects of the economy safely, e.g. indoors bars, indoor dining, nightclubs, etc. i think a vax pass could work for customers as a temporary regulation until cases go down. outdoors is fine for unvaccinated.
just like if u doh want your child to get all the mmr and other vaccines then they can't enroll in school.
Isn't that discrimination?
it's not anymore than the school requirement, or -some businesses having to close under the health regulations while others allowed to open, or not allowing someone without a mask into a store is.
This was done via law. Are there laws that make allowances for bars, nightclubs and restaurants to deny persons entry based on whether they were vaccinated or not?
NayGerPlz wrote:redmanjp wrote:NayGerPlz wrote:redmanjp wrote:shouldn't be mandatory by law, as in u can get fired or fined/jailed. but to reopen more high risks aspects of the economy safely, e.g. indoors bars, indoor dining, nightclubs, etc. i think a vax pass could work for customers as a temporary regulation until cases go down. outdoors is fine for unvaccinated.
just like if u doh want your child to get all the mmr and other vaccines then they can't enroll in school.
Isn't that discrimination?
it's not anymore than the school requirement, or -some businesses having to close under the health regulations while others allowed to open, or not allowing someone without a mask into a store is.
This was done via law. Are there laws that make allowances for bars, nightclubs and restaurants to deny persons entry based on whether they were vaccinated or not?
redmanjp wrote:NayGerPlz wrote:redmanjp wrote:NayGerPlz wrote:redmanjp wrote:shouldn't be mandatory by law, as in u can get fired or fined/jailed. but to reopen more high risks aspects of the economy safely, e.g. indoors bars, indoor dining, nightclubs, etc. i think a vax pass could work for customers as a temporary regulation until cases go down. outdoors is fine for unvaccinated.
just like if u doh want your child to get all the mmr and other vaccines then they can't enroll in school.
Isn't that discrimination?
it's not anymore than the school requirement, or -some businesses having to close under the health regulations while others allowed to open, or not allowing someone without a mask into a store is.
This was done via law. Are there laws that make allowances for bars, nightclubs and restaurants to deny persons entry based on whether they were vaccinated or not?
not currently, but they can under the ordinance if they want- or simply allow those sectors to have a policy for health reasons during a pandemic.
or we can simply leave all those places closed till covid goes away- along with the jobs of those workers.
hover11 wrote:It is discrimination and businesses can be held liable what makes this customer money better than mine, also government operated businesses cannot enforce this as they have to serve the entire populace....any business that wants to only serve vaccinated persons will not be getting my money and will surely lose revenue and customersNayGerPlz wrote:redmanjp wrote:NayGerPlz wrote:redmanjp wrote:shouldn't be mandatory by law, as in u can get fired or fined/jailed. but to reopen more high risks aspects of the economy safely, e.g. indoors bars, indoor dining, nightclubs, etc. i think a vax pass could work for customers as a temporary regulation until cases go down. outdoors is fine for unvaccinated.
just like if u doh want your child to get all the mmr and other vaccines then they can't enroll in school.
Isn't that discrimination?
it's not anymore than the school requirement, or -some businesses having to close under the health regulations while others allowed to open, or not allowing someone without a mask into a store is.
This was done via law. Are there laws that make allowances for bars, nightclubs and restaurants to deny persons entry based on whether they were vaccinated or not?
What Are the Roadblocks to a ‘Vaccine Passport’?
Creating a digital certificate of vaccination against the coronavirus is one of the hottest debates right now. What’s keeping it from happening, and why are some people opposed?
With all American adults now eligible for Covid-19 vaccines and businesses and international borders reopening, a fierce debate has kicked off across the United States over whether a digital health certificate (often and somewhat misleadingly called a “vaccine passport”) should be required to prove immunization status.
Currently, Americans are issued a white paper card as evidence of their Covid-19 shots, but these can easily be forged, and online scammers are already selling false and stolen vaccine cards.
While the federal government has said it will not introduce digital vaccine passports by federal mandate, a growing number of businesses — from cruise lines to sports venues — say they will require proof of vaccinations for entry or services. Hundreds of digital health pass initiatives are scrambling to launch apps that provide a verified electronic record of immunizations and negative coronavirus test results to streamline the process.
The drive has raised privacy and equity concerns and some states like Florida and Texas have banned businesses from requiring vaccination certificates. But developers argue that the digital infrastructure is secure and will help speed up the process of reopening society and reviving travel.
Governments, technology companies, airlines and other businesses are testing different versions of the digital health passes and are trying to come up with common standards so that there is compatibility between each system and health records can be pulled in a safe and controlled format.
The process comes with great technical challenges, especially because of the sheer number of app initiatives underway. For the certificates to be useful, countries, airlines and businesses must agree on common standards and the infrastructure they use will need to be compatible. In the United States, there is an added complexity of getting individual states to share immunization data with different certificate platforms while maintaining the privacy of residents.
Here’s what we know about the current status of digital health passes and some of the roadblocks they are facing in the United States.
Can I get a vaccine passport?
In March, New York became the first state in the United States to launch a digital health certificate called Excelsior Pass, which verifies a person’s negative coronavirus test result and if they are fully vaccinated.
The app and website, which has now had more than one million downloads, is free and voluntary for all New York residents, and provides a QR code that can be scanned or printed out to verify a person’s health data. The pass has been used by thousands of New Yorkers to enter Yankee Stadium, Madison Square Garden and other smaller public venues.
Most businesses require people to show their state I.D. along with their Excelsior Pass to prevent potential fraud.
In Israel, where more than half the population is fully vaccinated, residents must show an electronic “Green Pass” to attend places such as gyms, concerts, wedding halls and to dine indoors.
The European Union has endorsed an electronic vaccine certificate to be recognized from July 1, which a number of European countries have begun using, but each individual member country will be able to set its own rules for travel requirements. Britain has also started testing a Covid-19 certificate system that aims to help businesses reopen safely.
Some airlines including Lufthansa, Virgin Atlantic and Jet Blue have started to use the digital health app, Common Pass, to verify passenger Covid-19 test results before they board flights. The International Air Transport Association’s Health Pass is being used by more than 20 airlines and allows passengers to upload health credentials necessary for international travel.
Are they legal?
It depends on state regulations. The Biden administration has said there will be no federal vaccination system or mandate. Individual states hold primary public health powers in the United States and have the authority to require vaccines.
“We expect a vaccine passport, or whatever you want to call it, will be driven by the private sector,” Jen Psaki, the White House press secretary, said at a briefing in March. “There will be no centralized, universal federal vaccinations database and no federal mandate requiring everyone to obtain a single vaccination credential.”
In April, Gov. Greg Abbott of Texas issued an executive order banning government agencies, private businesses and institutions that receive state funding from requiring people to show proof that they have been vaccinated against the coronavirus.
Ron DeSantis, the Florida governor, issued a similar order, saying that requiring proof of vaccination would “reduce individual freedom” and “harm patient privacy” as well as “create two classes of citizens based on vaccinations.”
But those orders may not stick. “The governors are on shaky legal ground,” said Lawrence Gostin, the director of the O’Neill Institute for National and Global Health Law at Georgetown University. “Certainly, the legislature has authority to regulate businesses in the state, and it can also pre-empt counties and local governments from issuing vaccine passports. But a governor, acting on his or her own, has no inherent power to regulate businesses other than through emergency or other health powers that the legislature gives them.”
Where will the information come from?
In the United States, there is no centralized federal vaccine database. Instead, the states collect that information. All states except New Hampshire have their own immunization registries and some cities, like New York, have their own.
Currently states are required to share their registries with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, but the data is not public and could be withheld.
That means anyone developing a digital vaccine certificate in the United States would have to obtain immunization data from individual states, which could be problematic in states that oppose health pass initiatives.
Why are people opposed?
One of the issues is with terminology. A passport is issued by a government and certifies personal data including a person’s legal name and date of birth. Many people fear that if they are required to have one related to the coronavirus, they will be handing over personal and sensitive health data to private companies that could be stolen or used for other purposes.
“There are a whole lot of valid concerns about how privacy and technology would work with these systems, especially as Silicon Valley does not have a great history delivering technologies that are privacy enhancing,” said Brian Behlendorf, executive director of Linux Foundation Public Health, an open-source, technology-focused organization.
“And the concept of privacy here is complicated because you are ultimately trying to prove to somebody that you received something,” he said. “You aren’t keeping a secret, so the challenge is to present and prove something without creating a chain of traceability forever that might be used.”
The Linux Foundation is working with a network of technology companies called the Covid-19 Credentials Initiative to develop a set of standards for preserving privacy in the use of vaccine certificates. The main aim of the initiative is to establish a verifiable credential (much like a card in one’s wallet) that contains a set of claims about an individual but is digitally native and cryptographically secure.
Some argue that such a credential would intrude on personal freedoms and private health choices.
“‘Vaccine passports’ must be stopped,” former Representative Ron Paul of Texas wrote in a tweet last week. “Accepting them means accepting the false idea that government owns your life, body and freedom.”
Others worry that an exclusively digital system would leave some communities behind, especially those who do not have access to smartphones or the internet.
“Any solutions in this area should be simple, free, open source, accessible to people both digitally and on paper, and designed from the start to protect people’s privacy,” Jeff Zients, the White House coronavirus coordinator, said in a statement.
The World Health Organization said in April that it does not back requiring vaccination passports for travel yet because of the uncertainty over whether inoculation prevents transmission of the virus, as well as equity concerns. But the organization is working with a number of agencies, like UNICEF, ITU and the European Commission, to establish the standards and specifications of a possible globally recognized, digital vaccination certificate.
stev wrote:Didn't really post an update in a while....was scheduled to get my second shot on Wednesday but I just got a call and was asked to come in Friday instead.
PNM - The People's National Movement
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Key Points From The Ministry of Health’s Virtual Media Conference – Wednesday 16th June 2021
- Technical Director of Epidemiology, Dr. Avery Hinds provided an update on the hospital occupancy in the parallel health care system. Dr. Hinds indicated that the total occupancy stands at 54%, with the wards at 50%, the ICU at 76% and the HDU at 88%.
- Dr. Hinds stated that the lower daily numbers have been observed as the month of June progresses, he went on to say that the percentage positivity (the number of test results that return with a positive result out of every 100 tests done) has decreased and now hovers between 30% – 35%.
- Dr. Hinds also discussed the comorbidities observed among deceased COVID-19 patients. He shared data that showed that Hypertension and Diabetes are by far the most common of the comorbidities. Dr. Hinds listed other comorbidities observed in the deceased, such as Asthma, Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease, Ischemic Heart Disease and Malignancy (which refers to different kinds of cancers).
- Lecturer of Immunology, Dr. Carla-Maria Alexander, discussed COVID-19 vaccines. Dr. Alexander clarified that it IS necessary for persons to receive both doses of the vaccine to maximize its efficacy against the virus.
- Dr. Alexander also emphasized that persons are only considered fully immunized, 2 weeks after the 2nd dose. She added that it was imperative that persons maintain health protocols like proper mask wearing and social distancing post vaccination, to protect unvaccinated people whose numbers are high at this time and include the entire population of those under 18.
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