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Re: Future of Caribbean Airlines

Postby Habit7 » June 27th, 2021, 11:04 pm

This is exactly what I suspected. You get embarrassed so you lash out.

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Re: Future of Caribbean Airlines

Postby CB Style » June 27th, 2021, 11:58 pm

Habit7 wrote:This is exactly what I suspected. You get embarrassed so you lash out.

Embarrassed for what?
You claim to state your facts by posting articles. You and redman asking me for same. I did it and told you exactly what you gonna do and low and behold…
Doesn’t fit your narrative so you just brush it off. And I’m embarrassed? Just to get something straight, a PNM baa baa black sheep cannot embarrass me. Especially a pathetic paid blogger like you. Ow go sing baa baa black sheep to your kids and put them to bed.

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Re: Future of Caribbean Airlines

Postby CB Style » June 28th, 2021, 1:58 am

sMASH wrote:whole pandemic them eh rationalize, when the place looking to revamp, they now looking to send home people.

There’s speculation that this may be a bluff by the company in order to extend the pay cut for another year. With the borders opening and the schedule gonna increase the employees will not want to extend the pay cut. Especially the pilots. But like I say, it’s just a speculation.

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Re: Future of Caribbean Airlines

Postby MaxPower » June 30th, 2021, 10:48 am

shake d livin wake d dead wrote:
MaxPower wrote:
sam1978 wrote:Max, how many years you work CAL ? Or by it’s former name .


Samlal,

I don’t work for CAL.

I travel very often and over the years you tend to find yourself in the loop.

Who renewed their US visa recently?

No interview was required for my application so i submitted my documents with TTpost as instructed.

Any idea of the wait period?



4 days after the documents leave TTpost...gt


Shakes,

Took me 9 working days for them to deliver from when i submitted the docs.

Covid delays i guess.

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Re: Future of Caribbean Airlines

Postby Habit7 » July 2nd, 2021, 3:08 pm

They basically take one letter to the editor from Newsday and making it seem like there is some overwhelming national sentiment about this but it is worth considering.
Sever ties with Jamaica
Public sentiments in T&T that Caribbean Airlines' agreement with Jamaica is a disaster
Friday, July 02, 2021
BY DURRANT PATE
Observer business writer

There is a growing segment of the Trinidad and Tobago public clamouring for its home-based regional airline, Caribbean Airlines (CAL), to sever link with Jamaica in the wake of mounting losses.

Some segments of the public blame the loss making routes in and out of Jamaica for the increasing operational deficit being incurred by CAL over the years since it bought Jamaica's then national carrier, Air Jamaica, in 2010.

CAL's accumulated losses is now estimated at US$454.5 million (over TT$3 billion), while posting a TT$172.7 million ($26 million) loss for the first quarter 2021 added to the operating loss of TT$738 million (USD108.5 million) booked in 2020.

In addition, there was a 75 per cent decline in revenue, compared to the same three months in 2020. In 2010, the Government of Jamaica agreed with CAL that it would designate it the exclusive national carrier of Jamaica when it bought Air Jamaica.

The Jamaican Government committed that it will not request designation of national carrier status for any other air carrier for as long as CAL's Jamaican operations maintain a minimum level of service and meet certain other criteria.

One Trinidadian, John Jessamy, writing in the Trinidad and Tobago Newsday, commented that CAL's, “agreement with Jamaica was a disaster.” He wrote that, “as recent as May CAL signed an agreement to absorb 1,000 Jamaicans as pilots, cabin attendants, maintenance engineers and ground staff, while the T&T Treasury is bearing this burden while Jamaica is laughing all the way to the bank.”

Jessamy emphasised that from June 2020 to now, Jamaica has recorded a total of 816,632 stopover visitors and generated in excess of US$1.31 billion, questioning whether CAL got a fraction of that money.

In responding to his question, the Trinidadian contended, “we stand all expenses and Jamaica waits for its share of the profits at the end of the year. That's ludicrous. CAL surely needs restructuring. The first thing to do is sever the link with Jamaica.”

He charged that since CAL was formed in 2006, it has not made a profit of any real value but continues to receive a handout from the Ministry of Finance annually.

In dealing with the financial crisis at the airline, Jessamy is suggesting that CAL forge an alliance with LIAT and service the entire Caribbean with only ATR turbo prop planes. He was adamant that Jamaica should not be in this partnership, arguing that Kingston “is only interested in international travellers to fund its tourism product. It is about time we get this monkey off our backs.”

Interestingly, CAL is 88.1 per cent owned by the Government of Trinidad & Tobago with the Jamaican Government holding the remaining 11.9 per cent. The airline operates bases at both Port of Spain (Trinidad and Tobago) and Kingston's Norman Manley (Jamaica).

CAL holds 8.42 per cent market share at Kingston City Norman Manley International in terms of weekly airline seats, third in line after JetBlue Airways (B6, New York JFK) with 49.12 per cent and American Airlines (AA, Dallas/Fort Worth) with 9.66 per cent.

Jessamy's sentiments about CAL delinking with Jamaica is shared by several members of the society; some among them in Parliament. Pronouncement by several Trinidadians suggested that they see Jamaica as being an albatross around the neck of the T&T-based airline ever since its purchase of Air Jamaica.

There has been no response from the Dr Keith Rowley-led Trinidad Government about talks of CAL severing ties with Jamaica, but the Administration has announced a restructuring of its operations at both bases in Jamaica and T&T.

Finance Minister Colm Imbert told Parliament two week ago that, “Caribbean Airlines' restructuring will be taken in both countries in the best interest of the airline.”

https://www.jamaicaobserver.com/busines ... ter_225058

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Re: Future of Caribbean Airlines

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Re: Future of Caribbean Airlines

Postby Dizzy28 » July 5th, 2021, 9:10 am

Imagine you jump out self and fly out and then borders close back again while you outside!!

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Re: Future of Caribbean Airlines

Postby MaxPower » July 5th, 2021, 11:10 am

Dizzy28 wrote:Imagine you jump out self and fly out and then borders close back again while you outside!!


LOL!

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Re: Future of Caribbean Airlines

Postby De Dragon » July 5th, 2021, 1:20 pm

Habit7 wrote:They basically take one letter to the editor from Newsday and making it seem like there is some overwhelming national sentiment about this but it is worth considering.
Sever ties with Jamaica
Public sentiments in T&T that Caribbean Airlines' agreement with Jamaica is a disaster
Friday, July 02, 2021
BY DURRANT PATE
Observer business writer

There is a growing segment of the Trinidad and Tobago public clamouring for its home-based regional airline, Caribbean Airlines (CAL), to sever link with Jamaica in the wake of mounting losses.

Some segments of the public blame the loss making routes in and out of Jamaica for the increasing operational deficit being incurred by CAL over the years since it bought Jamaica's then national carrier, Air Jamaica, in 2010.

CAL's accumulated losses is now estimated at US$454.5 million (over TT$3 billion), while posting a TT$172.7 million ($26 million) loss for the first quarter 2021 added to the operating loss of TT$738 million (USD108.5 million) booked in 2020.

In addition, there was a 75 per cent decline in revenue, compared to the same three months in 2020. In 2010, the Government of Jamaica agreed with CAL that it would designate it the exclusive national carrier of Jamaica when it bought Air Jamaica.

The Jamaican Government committed that it will not request designation of national carrier status for any other air carrier for as long as CAL's Jamaican operations maintain a minimum level of service and meet certain other criteria.

One Trinidadian, John Jessamy, writing in the Trinidad and Tobago Newsday, commented that CAL's, “agreement with Jamaica was a disaster.” He wrote that, “as recent as May CAL signed an agreement to absorb 1,000 Jamaicans as pilots, cabin attendants, maintenance engineers and ground staff, while the T&T Treasury is bearing this burden while Jamaica is laughing all the way to the bank.”

Jessamy emphasised that from June 2020 to now, Jamaica has recorded a total of 816,632 stopover visitors and generated in excess of US$1.31 billion, questioning whether CAL got a fraction of that money.

In responding to his question, the Trinidadian contended, “we stand all expenses and Jamaica waits for its share of the profits at the end of the year. That's ludicrous. CAL surely needs restructuring. The first thing to do is sever the link with Jamaica.”

He charged that since CAL was formed in 2006, it has not made a profit of any real value but continues to receive a handout from the Ministry of Finance annually.

In dealing with the financial crisis at the airline, Jessamy is suggesting that CAL forge an alliance with LIAT and service the entire Caribbean with only ATR turbo prop planes. He was adamant that Jamaica should not be in this partnership, arguing that Kingston “is only interested in international travellers to fund its tourism product. It is about time we get this monkey off our backs.”

Interestingly, CAL is 88.1 per cent owned by the Government of Trinidad & Tobago with the Jamaican Government holding the remaining 11.9 per cent. The airline operates bases at both Port of Spain (Trinidad and Tobago) and Kingston's Norman Manley (Jamaica).

CAL holds 8.42 per cent market share at Kingston City Norman Manley International in terms of weekly airline seats, third in line after JetBlue Airways (B6, New York JFK) with 49.12 per cent and American Airlines (AA, Dallas/Fort Worth) with 9.66 per cent.

Jessamy's sentiments about CAL delinking with Jamaica is shared by several members of the society; some among them in Parliament. Pronouncement by several Trinidadians suggested that they see Jamaica as being an albatross around the neck of the T&T-based airline ever since its purchase of Air Jamaica.

There has been no response from the Dr Keith Rowley-led Trinidad Government about talks of CAL severing ties with Jamaica, but the Administration has announced a restructuring of its operations at both bases in Jamaica and T&T.

Finance Minister Colm Imbert told Parliament two week ago that, “Caribbean Airlines' restructuring will be taken in both countries in the best interest of the airline.”

https://www.jamaicaobserver.com/busines ... ter_225058

Nah, we love to hold on to money pits for a very long time because it will make whoever's decision it was look bad :roll:

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Re: Future of Caribbean Airlines

Postby Habit7 » July 5th, 2021, 2:14 pm

De Dragon wrote:Nah, we love to hold on to money pits for a very long time because it will make whoever's decision it was look bad :roll:

So PNM made the decision to buy Air Jamaica but the PNM is holding on to it to make the PNM look bad?

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Re: Future of Caribbean Airlines

Postby zoom rader » July 5th, 2021, 2:35 pm

Habit7 wrote:
De Dragon wrote:Nah, we love to hold on to money pits for a very long time because it will make whoever's decision it was look bad :roll:

So PNM made the decision to buy Air Jamaica but the PNM is holding on to it to make the PNM look bad?
Nope , they got conned into buying Air Jam.

Carri-con Always gets to fool the red government

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Re: Future of Caribbean Airlines

Postby Habit7 » July 5th, 2021, 3:22 pm

zoom rader wrote:
Habit7 wrote:
De Dragon wrote:Nah, we love to hold on to money pits for a very long time because it will make whoever's decision it was look bad :roll:

So PNM made the decision to buy Air Jamaica but the PNM is holding on to it to make the PNM look bad?
Nope , they got conned into buying Air Jam.

Carri-con Always gets to fool the red government

Yip that is why Jamaica a billion dollar trade deficit with us. Thanks Caricom.

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Re: Future of Caribbean Airlines

Postby MaxPower » July 5th, 2021, 3:43 pm

From the desk of John Lynch. This is a MUST READ 


Unfortunately, such a level of combined ignorance and arrogance is not rare to be heard coming out of Trinidad. You want to sever links with Jamaica? Just like that? That sounds so easy, doesn't it? Are we back to the days of ten minus one equals zero?


Here's some history, since you are totally grossly ignorant of what went before:


After Butch Stewart used the airline as his personal hotel supply carrier and stripped it of all past and potential profit, Jamaica put Air Jamaica up for sale, and there was a Commission set up to examine the bids and make the negotiations and the final decision. And yes, there were bids - Caribbean Airlines was included, but was not even in the first three preferred.


About this time REDjet tried to start in Jamaica, but the government said such a start-up would devalue their sale of the national airline and told them to go away - so they they went to Barbados. We all know what happened there.


 JAMAICA WOULD OWN 16% OF CARIBBEAN AIRLINES.


Let me repeat that, in case you are just skimming this response: JAMAICA OWNS 16% OF CARIBBEAN AIRLINES. JAMAICA OWNS ONE-SIXTH OF CARIBBEAN AIRLINES. And that is a fact whether you like it or not.


Part of the Agreement (which document is still Top Secret, and locked away from public gaze somewhere between Jamaica and Trinidad) was that the Air Jamaica name and logo would remain on ALL Caribbean Airlines aircraft and that Caribbean Airlines would serve Jamaica as its national carrier. That is why there is a full Caribbean Airlines Base in Jamaica crewed by non-Trinidadians.


BUT JAMAICA STILL OWNS 16% OF CARIBBEAN AIRLINES.


Run by incompetent Trinidadian management in Jamaica, the Jamaica base lost money year after year, and at one time there were public news reports of Trinidadians wanting the Jamaica base to be closed. But remember, Trinidadians ran the Jamaica base, so Jamaicans could not be blamed for their incompetence or arrogance in management, in decisions, or in any other area. Not that facts should get in the way of a good nationalistic pride.


After the previous Caribbean Airlines executive management team in Trinidad performed so badly, the Trinidad government made yet another political appointee decision (a decades-old familiar story, isn't it??) and gave the entire management suite to a management suite formerly of Digicel, a cellphone technology company.


Confused? Yes, so am I. Aviation requires one very large set of specific technical knowledge and skills, cellphone technology requires a completely different very large set of specific technical knowledge and skills.


But of course, once they have succeeded in fooling the voters with their lies, our political "leaders" become elected dictators and there is not even polite conversation allowed between us common smelly disgusting braying jackasses and those such intelligent master statesmen we have placed on those mile-high ivory pedestals. Unless we come bearing gifts in their millions, of course, then you can have 30 seconds, but no more.


So now here comes COVID and throws a poorly run airline a sharp curve, the Trinidad government closes its borders, and (smart move, right?) Caribbean Airlines operates a base out of Barbados instead, and between Barbados and Jamaica they become the only possible sources of revenue to Caribbean Airlines.



But (my information is that) the loads which could have been handled by the two existing LOCAL airlines, even without Caribbean Airlines - down to between 2 and 7 passengers per sector, and now there is not enough revenue for even ONE airline to survive. Bankruptcy looms.


So logically, if Caribbean Airlines wants to stop the bleeding, tell them to get their aircraft out of Barbados, where they are flying 70-seat ATR-72s around with between 2 and 7 passengers.


Jamaica has already opened, Barbados and Trinidad are on the horizon. And Jamaica may just be the only place that Caribbean Airlines is making a profit.


This is all LOGICAL if you know the FACTS. But for some reason self-focused extremist nationalistic Trinidadians see Jamaica and the rest of the islands as some kind of enemies, and this letter is just another demonstration of that fact.


Yeah, but go ahead and sever the links with Jamaica. And after that you will eventually sever the links with Caribbean Airlines, because without all that oil money which used to grease the businesses and palms ALL of the wheels in T&T, from political to industrial to aviation, there will be nothing left to support the incompetence, waste, arrogance, theft and sheer stupidity all that oil paid for.


Once upon a time we used to say that LIAT and BWIA/Caribbean Airlines could never fail, they were backed by government/taxpayer money and were considered essential services... Piarco has been closed for MONTHS now, it would have taken competent AVIATION management to see the opportunities and savings, but the CELLPHONE people had - and have - no clue. Add in the arrogance, and bye bye Caribbean Airlines.

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Re: Future of Caribbean Airlines

Postby De Dragon » July 5th, 2021, 3:59 pm

Habit7 wrote:
De Dragon wrote:Nah, we love to hold on to money pits for a very long time because it will make whoever's decision it was not look bad :roll:

So PNM made the decision to buy Air Jamaica but the PNM is holding on to it to make the PNM look bad?

Sorry, what I meant to say.
Thanks though, I can always count on your immediacy when you feel it is the LFD RFD PNM being attacked

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Postby ProtonPowder » July 6th, 2021, 7:54 pm

people looking for the easiest and most sure way to get a pfizer shot

cant blame them at all, go for it

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Postby redmanjp » July 6th, 2021, 9:28 pm

Dizzy28 wrote:Imagine you jump out self and fly out and then borders close back again while you outside!!


x2

Delta spreading very fast. that could certainly happen. as soon as an unvaxxed child comes in and test +ve for the delta variant. or even vaccinated adults as data from Israel shows even pfixer is only 64% effective against delta.

why don't they strike a balance and home quarantine all vaccinated passengers and their unvaccinated children?

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Postby adnj » July 7th, 2021, 8:55 am

redmanjp wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:Imagine you jump out self and fly out and then borders close back again while you outside!!


x2

Delta spreading very fast. that could certainly happen. as soon as an unvaxxed child comes in and test +ve for the delta variant. or even vaccinated adults as data from Israel shows even pfixer is only 64% effective against delta.

why don't they strike a balance and home quarantine all vaccinated passengers and their unvaccinated children?
Delta variant makes up more than half of Covid cases in U.S., CDC says

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/0 ... ses-498443

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CAL FIRE 79 PILOTS - UNION FLYING TO COURT ?

Postby RedVEVO » July 31st, 2021, 2:22 am

" Caribbean Airline’s move to cut 79 pilots could be causing some turbulence, legally .. "

“CAL’s actions are all the more brutal given that pilots had agreed to forego more than half of their salaries for several months in an effort to assist the company through its cash flow difficulties, exacerbated recently by the border closures resulting from the pandemic and years of mismanagement. “

ACAWU general secretary Peter Farmer said:

" Farmer said there was no reply from CAL on ACAWU’s queries. Farmer believes CAL spoke to employees individually.



https://www.guardian.co.tt/news/cal-red ... 6b98a04246

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Re: CAL FIRE 79 PILOTS - UNION FLYING TO COURT ?

Postby zoom rader » July 31st, 2021, 6:56 am

Cal even has that many pilots?

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Postby RedVEVO » July 31st, 2021, 9:02 pm

zoom rader wrote:Cal even has that many pilots?


They included Twenty One Pilots in their calculations :D

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zoom rader wrote:Cal even has that many pilots?


They included Twenty One Pilots in their calculations :D

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Re: Future of Caribbean Airlines

Postby daxt0r » August 1st, 2021, 7:22 am

impsbutt son is part of the culing i hope, giving the created position just for him it should be easiest to cost cut. Does CAL really need or ever needed an aerospace engineer? Or normal folks like me an you gettin send home and all the political appointees get to stay with even a pandemic bonus waiting in d wings to pat deyself on the back for successful cost-cutting.
If it cya run efficiently under PNM rule since 1962 or whenever it create, just cut it, cut it and CEPEP and URP and all the troughs, now is not the time for political patronage to be doled out when businesses suffering and no economic recovery plan has even been formulated.

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Re: Future of Caribbean Airlines

Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » November 18th, 2021, 6:14 pm

Caribbean Airlines new Boeing 737-8 Max

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Re: Future of Caribbean Airlines

Postby zoom rader » November 18th, 2021, 10:16 pm

^^ At what cost to tax payers?

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Re: Future of Caribbean Airlines

Postby MaxPower » November 18th, 2021, 11:37 pm

zoom rader wrote:^^ At what cost to tax payers?


Irrelevant question Zoom.

If it does not waste here, it will be wasted elsewhere and the citizens of T&T will shut their mouths and take it.

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Re: Future of Caribbean Airlines

Postby timelapse » November 19th, 2021, 7:33 am

CAL was always on the ropes

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Re: Future of Caribbean Airlines

Postby 0rb1tz » November 19th, 2021, 8:20 am

I do hope that Caribbean Airlines will send their existing B737-800 pilots to Miami’s Boeing Campus and train specifically on the 737-MAX. The two crashes in the past were very largely due to pilot error because the airlines in question did not appropriately train their pilots and ground maintenance crew on the procedures on the new machines and what the computer will override during a takeoff, but relied on their experience on the older 737s . The pilots kept trying to correct the inputs manually with an incorrectly calibrated sensor done by the maintenance crew, while if they had just left it alone and not "fixed" the sensor after the last flight the computer would have made the take off to cruising height successfully. Remember hundreds of other 737-MAX machines had been flying successfully with trained pilots without incident up to that point by many other airlines in the world.

While there have been software updates to correct issues, it's imperative that Caribbean Airlines sends our pilots and mechanics to the campus before the fantastic safety record of BWIA/CAL turns into tragedy that will affect quite a lot of us personally. Let's hope that management doesn't play politics or be incompetent with this issue and does it correctly. And I daresay, have the local reporters asked this question on pilot and mechanic training for the public to know?

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