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Re: Official Starlink/SpaceX INTERNET Thread "Caribbean Confirmed 100% ready next year by Elon Musk"

Postby Blaze d Chalice » November 11th, 2020, 4:27 pm

Yeah, but cheaper than if you had to run Fiber to you home on your own budget and equipment.

You paying for the ease of access.
One small village or community could buy 1 dish and share to others - (at least I hope so else that would defeat the whole purpose)

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Postby sMASH » November 11th, 2020, 5:37 pm

^^ tru dat.
i wondering if that dish could function on top a vehicle?

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Postby supernedd » November 28th, 2020, 8:12 am

Yea I saw star link installation videos on YouTube.. no way wireless gonna be faster than wired... as the ad said it is better than nothing...for areas that cannot get a wired connection from a ISP.. it's like having direct tv service in the bush

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Postby JoJoR » December 1st, 2020, 12:36 pm

supernedd wrote:Yea I saw star link installation videos on YouTube.. no way wireless gonna be faster than wired... as the ad said it is better than nothing...for areas that cannot get a wired connection from a ISP.. it's like having direct tv service in the bush


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It's not going to be faster in terms of bandwidth but latency wise it will be. Light travels faster in a vacuum vs glass. I guess that's when they get their inter-satellite laser installed.

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Postby redmanjp » December 1st, 2020, 3:59 pm

sMASH wrote:^^ tru dat.
i wondering if that dish could function on top a vehicle?



a moving vehicle?

it could automatically move and track the satellite ?

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Re: Official Starlink/SpaceX INTERNET Thread "Caribbean Confirmed 100% ready next year by Elon Musk"

Postby sMASH » December 1st, 2020, 4:49 pm

redmanjp wrote:
sMASH wrote:^^ tru dat.
i wondering if that dish could function on top a vehicle?



a moving vehicle?

it could automatically move and track the satellite ?


the dish auto tracks for the best relay access point, bearing in mind the starlink network continuously changes position, so always has a better or worse node to access.

but, that would not be so variable that the dish will always be actuating. by the time a signal from one node becomes poor enough that it would want to search for a stronger node, the signal from another node should come within range enough that it would not need to reposition it self.

but, if on a moving vehicle, like treking tru the central range going down mayaro, will that system be able to actuate to maintain a reasonable connection? i dont think the actuation system was made robust enough to be continuously be moving all the time like that. could prolly replace the servos with more robust metal ones.

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Re: Official Starlink/SpaceX INTERNET Thread "Caribbean Confirmed 100% ready next year by Elon Musk"

Postby adnj » December 1st, 2020, 5:03 pm

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redmanjp wrote:
sMASH wrote:^^ tru dat.
i wondering if that dish could function on top a vehicle?



a moving vehicle?

it could automatically move and track the satellite ?


the dish auto tracks for the best relay access point, bearing in mind the starlink network continuously changes position, so always has a better or worse node to access.

but, that would not be so variable that the dish will always be actuating. by the time a signal from one node becomes poor enough that it would want to search for a stronger node, the signal from another node should come within range enough that it would not need to reposition it self.

but, if on a moving vehicle, like treking tru the central range going down mayaro, will that system be able to actuate to maintain a reasonable connection? i dont think the actuation system was made robust enough to be continuously be moving all the time like that. could prolly replace the servos with more robust metal ones.
The antenna is a phase array that can reattenuate using only on-board circuitry. Starlink's primary shell is at 550 km with an expected nearest neighbor of approximately, 600 km. Phase array reattenuation of +/- 2.0% gives you an operational radius of more than 11 km with no perceived loss of signal, i.e., you can move the antenna 11 km in any direction with no loss of signal so long as the antenna maintaintains the same reference to horizontal.

So, you will be able to track the satellite easily but vehicle motion, attitude shift and loss of skyview will make constant communication questionable.

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Re: Official Starlink/SpaceX INTERNET Thread "Caribbean Confirmed 100% ready next year by Elon Musk"

Postby sMASH » December 1st, 2020, 5:12 pm

11km is like grand bazaar to chag/couva??.... if the antenna doesnt need to move to still recieve a good signal with that change of location, that means it would not really have much issues keeping pointed to a good node. and since the satellites move, it would get good coverage where it will not need to move that much...

im interested to try it mobile.

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Postby adnj » December 1st, 2020, 7:00 pm

sMASH wrote:11km is like grand bazaar to chag/couva??.... if the antenna doesnt need to move to still recieve a good signal with that change of location, that means it would not really have much issues keeping pointed to a good node. and since the satellites move, it would get good coverage where it will not need to move that much...

im interested to try it mobile.


You seem to be misinterpreting how satellite communications work.

While the satellite may be in motion, its trajectory is mapped.
You can acquire a satellite and establish a link. When you move, your antenna will need to stop and reacquire a satellite.

It's a function of the vehicle velocity and the quality of the phased array electronics. The electronics' tracking algorithm shapes the reception cone and would typically only work if the motion were steady and smooth like a on a train.

The algorithm for the Starlink array likely does not have a base motion vector built in. You would need to modify it. Maybe it would work while slowly pushing a cart down the street but at $500, you won't get a military-grade phased array antenna. That's a far cry from the current cost of US$100,000 to US$500,000 for phased array vehicle satellite communications antenna.

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Re: Official Starlink/SpaceX INTERNET Thread

Postby sMASH » December 1st, 2020, 8:39 pm

adnj wrote:
sMASH wrote:11km is like grand bazaar to chag/couva??.... if the antenna doesnt need to move to still recieve a good signal with that change of location, that means it would not really have much issues keeping pointed to a good node. and since the satellites move, it would get good coverage where it will not need to move that much...

im interested to try it mobile.


You seem to be misinterpreting how satellite communications work.

While the satellite may be in motion, its trajectory is mapped.
You can acquire a satellite and establish a link. When you move, your antenna will need to stop and reacquire a satellite.

It's a function of the vehicle velocity and the quality of the phased array electronics. The electronics' tracking algorithm shapes the reception cone and would typically only work if the motion were steady and smooth like a on a train.

The algorithm for the Starlink array likely does not have a base motion vector built in. You would need to modify it. Maybe it would work while slowly pushing a cart down the street but at $500, you won't get a military-grade phased array antenna. That's a far cry from the current cost of US$100,000 to US$500,000 for phased array vehicle satellite communications antenna.


what u talking about is transmission from the ground antenna up to the satellite?

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Postby adnj » December 1st, 2020, 9:14 pm

sMASH wrote:
adnj wrote:
sMASH wrote:11km is like grand bazaar to chag/couva??.... if the antenna doesnt need to move to still recieve a good signal with that change of location, that means it would not really have much issues keeping pointed to a good node. and since the satellites move, it would get good coverage where it will not need to move that much...

im interested to try it mobile.


You seem to be misinterpreting how satellite communications work.

While the satellite may be in motion, its trajectory is mapped.
You can acquire a satellite and establish a link. When you move, your antenna will need to stop and reacquire a satellite.

It's a function of the vehicle velocity and the quality of the phased array electronics. The electronics' tracking algorithm shapes the reception cone and would typically only work if the motion were steady and smooth like a on a train.

The algorithm for the Starlink array likely does not have a base motion vector built in. You would need to modify it. Maybe it would work while slowly pushing a cart down the street but at $500, you won't get a military-grade phased array antenna. That's a far cry from the current cost of US$100,000 to US$500,000 for phased array vehicle satellite communications antenna.


what u talking about is transmission from the ground antenna up to the satellite?


I am talking about an antenna that would allow broadband-capable internet reception and transmission with a low-earth orbiting satellite. The current military cost is about $100k. There is also the cost of hardened electronics and encrypt/decrypt electronics that is part of the modem.

Some recent consumer-grade antennas for automotive applications are being developed in the $10k range with an target price of $1,000. You aren't getting anything near that with a Starlink array.

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Postby adnj » December 17th, 2020, 4:49 am

Amazon’s Project Kuiper reveals design of antennas customers will use for internet-from-space constellation

Amazon claims they are smaller and lighter than legacy antennas

By Loren Grush

on December 16, 2020 2:00 pm

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A graphic showing the design of Amazon’s user antenna

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Today, Amazon revealed the design of the antennas its customers will use to tap into the company’s upcoming massive satellite constellation, Project Kuiper, designed to provide broadband internet coverage from space.

The antenna, which is a phased-array design, underwent development and testing this fall, according to the company. With a diameter of just 12 inches across, the antenna is “smaller and lighter than legacy antenna designs,” Amazon claims. Testing showed the antenna can provide “maximum throughput of up to 400 Mbps.” The company also notes that the antenna can be used to stream 4K-quality videos from geostationary satellites, spacecraft that are located about 22,000 miles above the Earth.

Amazon Kuiper’s satellites will be much closer to Earth, though. In July, Amazon received approval from the Federal Communications Commission to launch a constellation of 3,236 satellites for Project Kuiper, with the spacecraft flying at altitudes ranging from 590 kilometers, or 366 miles, to 630 kilometers, or 391 miles. With so many satellites orbiting close to Earth, Project Kuiper aims to beam low-latency, broadband internet coverage to individual users on the planet below. The goal is to provide coverage to remote areas and regions that do not have access to traditional high-speed internet.

Amazon is one of a number of companies focused on launching a massive internet-from-space constellation. Notably, SpaceX is eyeing the same goal with its Starlink initiative, a proposed constellation of nearly 12,000 satellites that will also provide broadband internet from low to medium Earth orbits. SpaceX has already launched nearly 1,000 of its Starlink satellites and has even begun initial beta testing, providing select customers with at-home antennas to tap into the satellites and receive internet coverage. Amazon has yet to launch any satellites, nor has the company revealed on which rocket the satellites will launch.

Amazon argues that by making its user terminals smaller, it will reduce the cost of making the hardware as well as lower the price point for customers to opt into the program. The company claims it was able to go small by overlaying “tiny antenna element structures” over one another.

“If you want to make a difference for unserved and underserved communities, you need to deliver service at a price that makes sense for customers,” Rajeev Badyal, vice president of technology for Project Kuiper, said in an Amazon blog post today. “This simple fact inspired one of our key tenets for Kuiper: to invent a light, compact phased array antenna that would allow us to produce an affordable customer terminal. It’s incredible to see such a small form factor delivering this type of speed and performance.”

The 12-inch diameter makes the Amazon antenna much smaller than the Starlink antenna based on photos of the SpaceX user terminals that beta-testers have posted to Reddit. To test out SpaceX’s Starlink hardware, beta-testers had to pay an upfront cost of $499 for all of the equipment and then an additional $99 a month. Amazon has not revealed its prices for Project Kuiper, but the company did vow to invest $10 billion into the program.

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Re: Official Starlink/SpaceX INTERNET Thread "Caribbean Confirmed 100% ready next year by Elon Musk"

Postby VexXx Dogg » December 17th, 2020, 9:29 am

This Project Kuiper was under the radar for some time? I only heard mumbles about it last week but it seems to be a direct competitor to starlink. not sure if they will be in the same target markets

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Postby adnj » December 17th, 2020, 4:24 pm

VexXx Dogg wrote:This Project Kuiper was under the radar for some time? I only heard mumbles about it last week but it seems to be a direct competitor to starlink. not sure if they will be in the same target markets
Starlink and Project Kuiper will both have worldwide coverage.

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Postby adnj » December 19th, 2020, 10:48 am

Europe wants to build its own version of SpaceX's Starlink with a $7.3 billion constellation of internet satellites

Kate Duffy, Business Insider

Europe is planning to build a new satellite constellation reportedly costing six billion euros ($7.3 billion) that would work in a similar way to SpaceX's Starlink.

The constellation will beam internet access to European citizens, notably those in isolated areas, and allow governments to communicate securely.

European Union officials have signed off a study for a low-earth orbit constellation, which is due to take place at the start of 2021, people familiar with the matter told Les Echos.

Elon Musk has said SpaceX's internet satellite beta could reach Europe by February 2021.

China is racing to catch up with the US and UK as it plans to develop three low-Earth orbit satellite constellations - Hongyun with 864 satellites, Hongyan with 320 satellites, and Galaxy Space, per Room. 

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Postby sMASH » February 2nd, 2021, 5:37 pm

intended launch and land of sn9 and 10, with hard land of sn9
looks amazing.


one engine didnt restart, seemed to put out the fuel, but not the oxygen. did not restart in time to correct the torque to keep it vertical and reduce the speed to the ground.
womp womp.

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Postby timelapse » February 2nd, 2021, 7:20 pm

Just how allyuh does be quick to cancel people for racism/sexism/etc, how about we cancel TATT for being counter progress?We will have a viable choice instead of sheit service from local companies that know we don't have a choice

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Postby quattro » February 9th, 2021, 7:45 am

Starlink signups are open. Says 2022 for Trinidad. $99 usd deposit.

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Postby DMan7 » February 9th, 2021, 12:46 pm

quattro wrote:Starlink signups are open. Says 2022 for Trinidad. $99 usd deposit.


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Postby Fadakartel » February 9th, 2021, 4:17 pm

quattro wrote:Starlink signups are open. Says 2022 for Trinidad. $99 usd deposit.


Any link to this? If this is so then Flow/Digicel/TSTT and other regional ISP eventually going to buss.

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Postby DMan7 » February 9th, 2021, 5:04 pm

Fadakartel wrote:
quattro wrote:Starlink signups are open. Says 2022 for Trinidad. $99 usd deposit.


Any link to this? If this is so then Flow/Digicel/TSTT and other regional ISP eventually going to buss.


How so? Flow internet package is around $400 TTD per month for 150 MBps bandwidth.

This is $99 USD per month which works out to around close to $700 per month.

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Postby redmanjp » February 9th, 2021, 5:16 pm

quattro wrote:Starlink signups are open. Says 2022 for Trinidad. $99 usd deposit.


is that monthly or just a deposit/install fee?

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Postby mrtrini45 » February 9th, 2021, 5:18 pm

Fadakartel wrote:
quattro wrote:Starlink signups are open. Says 2022 for Trinidad. $99 usd deposit.


Any link to this? If this is so then Flow/Digicel/TSTT and other regional ISP eventually going to buss.




https://www.starlink.com/

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Postby DMan7 » February 9th, 2021, 5:21 pm

Look at this FLOW Internet package. Nah man Elon hadda come betta dan dat if he want Trini people money.

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Postby redmanjp » February 9th, 2021, 5:21 pm

DMan7 wrote:
Fadakartel wrote:
quattro wrote:Starlink signups are open. Says 2022 for Trinidad. $99 usd deposit.


Any link to this? If this is so then Flow/Digicel/TSTT and other regional ISP eventually going to buss.


How so? Flow internet package is around $400 TTD per month for 150 MBps bandwidth.

This is $99 USD per month which works out to around close to $700 per month.


Digicel fibre has a bundle for around $300 wit 100mb internet plus a basic 30 channel package. So they better come with a 2nd cheaper package to fit ppl who not willing to pay that price.

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Postby redmanjp » February 9th, 2021, 5:23 pm

DMan7 wrote:Look at this FLOW Internet package. Nah man Elon hadda come betta dan dat if he want Trini people money.

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perhaps his upload speed faster. but then so is Digicel fiber.

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Postby adnj » February 9th, 2021, 5:49 pm

redmanjp wrote:
DMan7 wrote:
Fadakartel wrote:
quattro wrote:Starlink signups are open. Says 2022 for Trinidad. $99 usd deposit.


Any link to this? If this is so then Flow/Digicel/TSTT and other regional ISP eventually going to buss.


How so? Flow internet package is around $400 TTD per month for 150 MBps bandwidth.

This is $99 USD per month which works out to around close to $700 per month.


Digicel fibre has a bundle for around $300 wit 100mb internet plus a basic 30 channel package. So they better come with a 2nd cheaper package to fit ppl who not willing to pay that price.


I doubt that people who currently have high-speed internet access are their target customer.

"Ideal for rural + remote communities
Starlink is ideally suited for areas of the globe where connectivity has typically been a challenge. Unbounded by traditional ground infrastructure, Starlink can deliver high-speed broadband internet to locations where access has been unreliable or completely unavailable."

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Postby DMan7 » February 9th, 2021, 6:01 pm

adnj wrote:
redmanjp wrote:
DMan7 wrote:
Fadakartel wrote:
quattro wrote:Starlink signups are open. Says 2022 for Trinidad. $99 usd deposit.


Any link to this? If this is so then Flow/Digicel/TSTT and other regional ISP eventually going to buss.


How so? Flow internet package is around $400 TTD per month for 150 MBps bandwidth.

This is $99 USD per month which works out to around close to $700 per month.


Digicel fibre has a bundle for around $300 wit 100mb internet plus a basic 30 channel package. So they better come with a 2nd cheaper package to fit ppl who not willing to pay that price.


I doubt that people who currently have high-speed internet access are their target customer.

"Ideal for rural + remote communities
Starlink is ideally suited for areas of the globe where connectivity has typically been a challenge. Unbounded by traditional ground infrastructure, Starlink can deliver high-speed broadband internet to locations where access has been unreliable or completely unavailable."


Greendot covers rural areas for over 10 years already in Trinidad.

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Postby quattro » February 9th, 2021, 6:22 pm

Price supposed to be 99usd plus taxes. Install package is 500usd plus tax. They only gonna service an area when they get regulatory approval for that area, so its not guaranteed for Trinidad but apparently they seeking approval from all now and expecting it by 2022.
The refundable 99usd now is to hold your spot in line since its a limited first come first serve rollout if it gets approval.

Really no reason to get this over digicel / flow other than the <20ms ping. Unless those ISPs aren't available in your area.

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Postby redmanjp » February 9th, 2021, 7:33 pm

DMan7 wrote:
adnj wrote:
redmanjp wrote:
DMan7 wrote:
Fadakartel wrote:
quattro wrote:Starlink signups are open. Says 2022 for Trinidad. $99 usd deposit.


Any link to this? If this is so then Flow/Digicel/TSTT and other regional ISP eventually going to buss.


How so? Flow internet package is around $400 TTD per month for 150 MBps bandwidth.

This is $99 USD per month which works out to around close to $700 per month.


Digicel fibre has a bundle for around $300 wit 100mb internet plus a basic 30 channel package. So they better come with a 2nd cheaper package to fit ppl who not willing to pay that price.


I doubt that people who currently have high-speed internet access are their target customer.

"Ideal for rural + remote communities
Starlink is ideally suited for areas of the globe where connectivity has typically been a challenge. Unbounded by traditional ground infrastructure, Starlink can deliver high-speed broadband internet to locations where access has been unreliable or completely unavailable."


Greendot covers rural areas for over 10 years already in Trinidad.


dem cud give more than 10mbps? :lol:

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