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redmanjp wrote:were those counted as covid deaths tho?
Dummy we don't care about the USHabit7 wrote:zoom rader wrote:Bullchit, the Cayman Islands starting doing testing and lockdowns right after Carnival .Habit7 wrote:zoom rader wrote:Idiot the red government has been holding back testing since Carnival last year.
Around Carnival 2020 hardly anybody in the world had the resources to do testing in a massive way, not even the US. It was our CARPHA that was testing for TT and a majority of the southern Caribbean. Your anti-PNM trolling is extra dotish at a time like this.
https://time.com/5801790/coronavirus-testing-us/
They are free of covid at this time though their very proactive approach
https://www.caymancompass.com/2020/03/2 ... derations/
You said since Carnival. At Carnival there was hardly any cases in the US. Plus your article is a month after Carnival and at the same time TT already went into lockdown.
Cayman Islands is a success, how come Trinidad is not?j.o.e wrote:Zoom we understand you don’t like Rowley and the PNM but the constant over politicizing is tedious. All around the world there have been continuous lockdowns and spikes. At any moment you can find a country doing better or worse than us and on the flip side when some of them were doing bad we were better off. Cool it a little bit nah.
The point is no one has 100% success in this pandemic, we are all trying to make the best decisions on the fly. Normally I just laugh off your rants but it’s ridiculous to think that the yellow, white, green, purple government would’ve been more successful and either way how would that help us now?
These threads can be useful for disseminating and analyzing information unfortunately you are just being a distraction
You think an SOE will work ?elec2020 wrote:the only thing that we haven't done yet is call a SOE. Um, idk if that is needed to get people to do what is right. Maybe it is as some employers still have staff coming into work when they can do stuff on woh. Also, no matter when u come out your home u still seeing numerous cars on the road. Meaning that people still congregating. I remember seeing someone at the grocery day before who came in same time as me. And when i reached by the cashier (like 30-40 mins later, i bought a lot of stuff) my guy was there as well with what must have been under 10 items. Some people so thusty for social interactions that maybe we need a SOE to stop that.
j.o.e wrote:Zoom we understand you don’t like Rowley and the PNM but the constant over politicizing is tedious. All around the world there have been continuous lockdowns and spikes. At any moment you can find a country doing better or worse than us and on the flip side when some of them were doing bad we were better off. Cool it a little bit nah.
The point is no one has 100% success in this pandemic, we are all trying to make the best decisions on the fly. Normally I just laugh off your rants but it’s ridiculous to think that the yellow, white, green, purple government would’ve been more successful and either way how would that help us now?
These threads can be useful for disseminating and analyzing information unfortunately you are just being a distraction
zoom rader wrote:You think an SOE will work ?elec2020 wrote:the only thing that we haven't done yet is call a SOE. Um, idk if that is needed to get people to do what is right. Maybe it is as some employers still have staff coming into work when they can do stuff on woh. Also, no matter when u come out your home u still seeing numerous cars on the road. Meaning that people still congregating. I remember seeing someone at the grocery day before who came in same time as me. And when i reached by the cashier (like 30-40 mins later, i bought a lot of stuff) my guy was there as well with what must have been under 10 items. Some people so thusty for social interactions that maybe we need a SOE to stop that.
Country_Bookie wrote:Just imagine if Kamla was still prime minister....... and then imagine she encouraged trinis to lime in Tobago for the Easter weekend in the middle of the worst pandemic in modern history. This then led to 50,000 trinis going Tobago.
Imagine if Kamla then contracted covid-19 in Tobago. Coincidentally after the Easter weekend, we see a spike in cases...... resulting in thousands of new infections close to a hundred deaths and counting.
Why is the media silent on questioning the government's role in this new spike? If Kamla was PM in these circumstances, she would have been blamed and there'd be daily columns and editorials castigating her for the government handling of this crisis. I'm not saying Rowley is solely to blame, since the cause of the spike is we as a people not adhering to the covid-19 protocols like wearing masks and social distancing. But the media seems to have a different standard for this government than they did between 2010 -2015.
wtf wrote:Just as I suspected.
https://www.facebook.com/105853701460345/posts/168790881833293/?sfnsn=mo
*MAN DIED 8 DAYS AFTER TAKING COVID VACCINE*
Doctors have confirmed that Princes Town resident Ijaz Haniff, who died eight days after taking the COVID AstraZeneca vaccine, suffered cardiac failure due to a lack of sufficient blood and oxygen leading to his heart.
The report, done by surgeon Dr Ammiel Arra, gave the cause of death as multi-organ failure, bilateral limb and abdominal wall ischaemia, aortic thrombosis, diabetes mellitus/ischaemic heart disease and congestive cardiac failure.
The NCBI states that the narrowing can be caused by a blood clot or by constriction of the blood vessel, but added that it is also caused by the build-up of plaque, called atherosclerosis.
Relatives had told the media that when Haniff was admitted to the San Fernando General Hospital, the medical staff treating him had told them he had a blood clot.
Haniff was laid to rest yesterday, eight days after he took the COVID-19 vaccine.
His sister accused the hospital authorities of covering up the truth.
Insisting that it was complications from the vaccine that caused his death, his eldest sister Nazirah Amin claimed her brother’s medical files had gone missing.
“They covering it up … They say they can’t find his files. Where the files disappear? We don’t know where it disappear? Because they look like they get rid of it as soon he died. As soon as he died they get rid of it and then they call and tell us he died,” she claimed.
CNC3 REPORT
Devourment wrote:The government knew a rise in cases was coming from mid-March. Parasram admitted that publicly and said he warned officials who ignored him.
That alone should have led to pubic inquiries and bacchanal, and led to Deyalsingh's resignation. But alas PNM media silent and UNC studying tent.
ST Auto wrote:What was his medical history before taking the vaccine.wtf wrote:Just as I suspected.
https://www.facebook.com/105853701460345/posts/168790881833293/?sfnsn=mo
*MAN DIED 8 DAYS AFTER TAKING COVID VACCINE*
Doctors have confirmed that Princes Town resident Ijaz Haniff, who died eight days after taking the COVID AstraZeneca vaccine, suffered cardiac failure due to a lack of sufficient blood and oxygen leading to his heart.
The report, done by surgeon Dr Ammiel Arra, gave the cause of death as multi-organ failure, bilateral limb and abdominal wall ischaemia, aortic thrombosis, diabetes mellitus/ischaemic heart disease and congestive cardiac failure.
The NCBI states that the narrowing can be caused by a blood clot or by constriction of the blood vessel, but added that it is also caused by the build-up of plaque, called atherosclerosis.
Relatives had told the media that when Haniff was admitted to the San Fernando General Hospital, the medical staff treating him had told them he had a blood clot.
Haniff was laid to rest yesterday, eight days after he took the COVID-19 vaccine.
His sister accused the hospital authorities of covering up the truth.
Insisting that it was complications from the vaccine that caused his death, his eldest sister Nazirah Amin claimed her brother’s medical files had gone missing.
“They covering it up … They say they can’t find his files. Where the files disappear? We don’t know where it disappear? Because they look like they get rid of it as soon he died. As soon as he died they get rid of it and then they call and tell us he died,” she claimed.
CNC3 REPORT
Safety: The vaccines are dangerous to both healthy individuals and those with pre-existing chronic disease, for reasons such as the following: risk of lethal and non-lethal disruptions of blood clotting including bleeding disorders, thrombosis in the brain, stroke and heart attack; autoimmune and allergic reactions; antibody-dependent enhancement of disease; and vaccine impurities due to rushed manufacturing and unregulated production standards.
In the week leading up to the Easter long holiday weekend, over 50,000 people travelled between Trinidad and Tobago, both on the air and sea bridge.elec2020 wrote:
at this point in time the point is to reduce cases. People still lining up for pies (in Linda's and Massy for example). People still going up and down (idk if its to conduct essential business or just to get out of home). A SOE may help enforce movement restrictions and thus lower cases at a faster rate. As it stands now, this lockdown will be stretched (imo) till maybe august/september. If we have an SOE, it may only be stretched to July. Thats just my view on things. Idk about 50,000 people travelling to Tobago in a weekend. You saying that nearly twice the island's population was there over a weekend. As well as the ferry's and planes could accommodate 50,000 people over such a short point in time? Idk. Also, if Tobago was the cause of the rise in infections then where are the large number of cases for Tobago (i think they got 5 yesterday)? let's stop politicizing the thing. As it does nothing but breed hate and discontent. The last things we need right now.
Habit7 wrote:Devourment wrote:The government knew a rise in cases was coming from mid-March. Parasram admitted that publicly and said he warned officials who ignored him.
That alone should have led to pubic inquiries and bacchanal, and led to Deyalsingh's resignation. But alas PNM media silent and UNC studying tent.
When did Dr. Roshan Parasram say this?
Daly Bread: The March warning—Dr Parasram let slip the govt’s responsibility in current spike
The working week began with a shock, as a result of which we must ask the Minister of Health for truthful answers.
The Prime Minister hosted a news conference on Monday last, in which he announced increased lockdowns. At that event, our trusted Chief Medical Officer, Dr Roshan Parasram, disclosed that he had drawn attention to “the worrying trend of climbing Covid-19-positive numbers since early March”. He did so after more ministerial lectures about our personal responsibility not to contribute to the further spread of the Covid-19 virus by “gathering”.
In passing, I wondered again about gatherings put on by those within the Government’s close political circles, which might contribute to spread. My curiosity grew when Dr Parasram also disclosed that “the contact tracers say that a lot of contacts are coming from private gatherings”. I had raised a red flag last Sunday about condonation of “society” events held contrary to ministerial and other exhortations.
The Monday news conference began with Dr Avery Hinds, our equally trusted Chief Epidemiologist, presenting graphs to show that we are currently experiencing the highest number of Covid infections since August/September 2020 (election time). Dr Maryam Abdool-Richards, Principal Medical Officer—Institutions, followed to warn us that the capacity of the parallel healthcare system could reach collapse in days.
These presentations were the prelude for the PM’s stern alarm about our now perilous situation regarding virus spread. Many of us were not shocked at how perilous the situation had become because we were aware of the “gathering” big time, as well as some of the madness that Easter would bring. The Government stood aside when it knew or ought to have known what an unrestricted Easter would bring.
Over 50,000 persons travelled between Trinidad and Tobago in the week leading up to the long Easter holiday weekend, according to Minister Rohan Sinanan, who was proud of the smooth operation of the air and sea bridges. He congratulated the persons responsible for “a fantastic job” in moving that number of people smoothly “even though we are in a pandemic”.
Reference to this is not intended to fault lovely Tobago or Tobagonians. It simply further demonstrates officials blowing hot and cold about “gathering”, yet blaming those who were infected by the “free-up-for-Easter” atmosphere. The shock was not from the foreseeable Easter fallout. It was Dr Parasram’s disclosure, expressed in the words of the next three paragraphs, that shocked me. Added to that, on Friday last, the PM acknowledged “the laxness starting in mid-March”.
“If you recall, I had said in the early part of March that we noticed a considerable increase. People at the time thought that it was too small. I thought that it was enough to cause a significant increase in terms of a snowball-type effect.
“If it started in early March, just because we were going into a season—as you know, Easter was coming up—there was a period where we expected an increased number of people coming together.
“When you take this kind of increase it goes on top the next, so you double, then you go into a quadruple very fast. If you think about a snowball, the effect is exactly like a snowball. You start small and, very quickly, you go to two, to four, to six, to eight and then to 16, and that is what we are seeing in the graphs that Dr Hinds would have presented”.
Who were “the people who thought the increase was too small”? Minister of Health, was that you? Were there political considerations requiring stimulation of the Tobago domestic tourism economy in light of the six-six Tobago electoral tie?
Those who cast aside Dr Parasram’s early March observation would be boldfaced to reprimand ordinary citizens without shouldering their own responsibility for what appears to be a horrible but foreseeable Easter outcome, given Dr Parasram’s warning and other pointers about rapid spread likely to come out of the Easter weekend.
Is it now clear that the increased lockdowns, not imposed earlier following the March warning, are fatally late; and the persistent, but now abandoned, attempted denials of the South American variant slipping through porous borders were deceiving?
Well she not even in power and still getting ripped apart.Country_Bookie wrote:Just imagine if Kamla was still prime minister....... and then imagine she encouraged trinis to lime in Tobago for the Easter weekend in the middle of the worst pandemic in modern history. This then led to 50,000 trinis going Tobago.
Imagine if Kamla then contracted covid-19 in Tobago. Coincidentally after the Easter weekend, we see a spike in cases...... resulting in thousands of new infections close to a hundred deaths and counting.
Why is the media silent on questioning the government's role in this new spike? If Kamla was PM in these circumstances, she would have been blamed and there'd be daily columns and editorials castigating her for the government handling of this crisis. I'm not saying Rowley is solely to blame, since the cause of the spike is we as a people not adhering to the covid-19 protocols like wearing masks and social distancing. But the media seems to have a different standard for this government than they did between 2010 -2015.
These are things that the red government and Habit7 don't want you know. They all full of spin and lies.Devourment wrote:Country_Bookie wrote:Just imagine if Kamla was still prime minister....... and then imagine she encouraged trinis to lime in Tobago for the Easter weekend in the middle of the worst pandemic in modern history. This then led to 50,000 trinis going Tobago.
Imagine if Kamla then contracted covid-19 in Tobago. Coincidentally after the Easter weekend, we see a spike in cases...... resulting in thousands of new infections close to a hundred deaths and counting.
Why is the media silent on questioning the government's role in this new spike? If Kamla was PM in these circumstances, she would have been blamed and there'd be daily columns and editorials castigating her for the government handling of this crisis. I'm not saying Rowley is solely to blame, since the cause of the spike is we as a people not adhering to the covid-19 protocols like wearing masks and social distancing. But the media seems to have a different standard for this government than they did between 2010 -2015.
The government knew a rise in cases was coming from mid-March. Parasram admitted that publicly and said he warned officials who ignored him.
That alone should have led to pubic inquiries and bacchanal, and led to Deyalsingh's resignation. But alas PNM media silent and UNC studying tent.
Unc misleading who?Habit7 wrote:Rowley said while it was claimed 50,000 people went to Tobago for Easter, it must be seen as people travelling both ways, adding that if 25,000 were involved one way, there would be 25,000 returning.
He said at normal times, there are usually 15,000 to 20,000 travelling and the additional figure was about 5,000.
“(UNC’s) deliberately trying to mislead the population. We spend a lot of time that could be used for other things trying to undo the lies. That’s most difficult to manage in a pandemic—a lot of misinformation and lies.”
On why people are responding negatively to Government’s messaging, Rowley said, “That’s a good question.”
He, however, noted Opposition claims that he’d called for people to go to Tobago and people went.
https://www.guardian.co.tt/news/pm-sees ... 78695638a8
Habit7 will say Martin is anti red government and has his own agenda.Dohplaydat wrote:Habit7 wrote:Devourment wrote:The government knew a rise in cases was coming from mid-March. Parasram admitted that publicly and said he warned officials who ignored him.
That alone should have led to pubic inquiries and bacchanal, and led to Deyalsingh's resignation. But alas PNM media silent and UNC studying tent.
When did Dr. Roshan Parasram say this?
Martin Daly's Sunday editorial mentioned it.
https://wired868.com/2021/05/09/daly-br ... ent-spike/Daly Bread: The March warning—Dr Parasram let slip the govt’s responsibility in current spike
The working week began with a shock, as a result of which we must ask the Minister of Health for truthful answers.
The Prime Minister hosted a news conference on Monday last, in which he announced increased lockdowns. At that event, our trusted Chief Medical Officer, Dr Roshan Parasram, disclosed that he had drawn attention to “the worrying trend of climbing Covid-19-positive numbers since early March”. He did so after more ministerial lectures about our personal responsibility not to contribute to the further spread of the Covid-19 virus by “gathering”.
In passing, I wondered again about gatherings put on by those within the Government’s close political circles, which might contribute to spread. My curiosity grew when Dr Parasram also disclosed that “the contact tracers say that a lot of contacts are coming from private gatherings”. I had raised a red flag last Sunday about condonation of “society” events held contrary to ministerial and other exhortations.
The Monday news conference began with Dr Avery Hinds, our equally trusted Chief Epidemiologist, presenting graphs to show that we are currently experiencing the highest number of Covid infections since August/September 2020 (election time). Dr Maryam Abdool-Richards, Principal Medical Officer—Institutions, followed to warn us that the capacity of the parallel healthcare system could reach collapse in days.
These presentations were the prelude for the PM’s stern alarm about our now perilous situation regarding virus spread. Many of us were not shocked at how perilous the situation had become because we were aware of the “gathering” big time, as well as some of the madness that Easter would bring. The Government stood aside when it knew or ought to have known what an unrestricted Easter would bring.
Over 50,000 persons travelled between Trinidad and Tobago in the week leading up to the long Easter holiday weekend, according to Minister Rohan Sinanan, who was proud of the smooth operation of the air and sea bridges. He congratulated the persons responsible for “a fantastic job” in moving that number of people smoothly “even though we are in a pandemic”.
Reference to this is not intended to fault lovely Tobago or Tobagonians. It simply further demonstrates officials blowing hot and cold about “gathering”, yet blaming those who were infected by the “free-up-for-Easter” atmosphere. The shock was not from the foreseeable Easter fallout. It was Dr Parasram’s disclosure, expressed in the words of the next three paragraphs, that shocked me. Added to that, on Friday last, the PM acknowledged “the laxness starting in mid-March”.
“If you recall, I had said in the early part of March that we noticed a considerable increase. People at the time thought that it was too small. I thought that it was enough to cause a significant increase in terms of a snowball-type effect.
“If it started in early March, just because we were going into a season—as you know, Easter was coming up—there was a period where we expected an increased number of people coming together.
“When you take this kind of increase it goes on top the next, so you double, then you go into a quadruple very fast. If you think about a snowball, the effect is exactly like a snowball. You start small and, very quickly, you go to two, to four, to six, to eight and then to 16, and that is what we are seeing in the graphs that Dr Hinds would have presented”.
Who were “the people who thought the increase was too small”? Minister of Health, was that you? Were there political considerations requiring stimulation of the Tobago domestic tourism economy in light of the six-six Tobago electoral tie?
Those who cast aside Dr Parasram’s early March observation would be boldfaced to reprimand ordinary citizens without shouldering their own responsibility for what appears to be a horrible but foreseeable Easter outcome, given Dr Parasram’s warning and other pointers about rapid spread likely to come out of the Easter weekend.
Is it now clear that the increased lockdowns, not imposed earlier following the March warning, are fatally late; and the persistent, but now abandoned, attempted denials of the South American variant slipping through porous borders were deceiving?
March 11th is when we had enough data to know we needed to lockdown. Not a month a later.
Dohplaydat wrote:Habit7 wrote:Devourment wrote:The government knew a rise in cases was coming from mid-March. Parasram admitted that publicly and said he warned officials who ignored him.
That alone should have led to pubic inquiries and bacchanal, and led to Deyalsingh's resignation. But alas PNM media silent and UNC studying tent.
When did Dr. Roshan Parasram say this?
Martin Daly's Sunday editorial mentioned it.
https://wired868.com/2021/05/09/daly-br ... ent-spike/Daly Bread: The March warning—Dr Parasram let slip the govt’s responsibility in current spike
The working week began with a shock, as a result of which we must ask the Minister of Health for truthful answers.
The Prime Minister hosted a news conference on Monday last, in which he announced increased lockdowns. At that event, our trusted Chief Medical Officer, Dr Roshan Parasram, disclosed that he had drawn attention to “the worrying trend of climbing Covid-19-positive numbers since early March”. He did so after more ministerial lectures about our personal responsibility not to contribute to the further spread of the Covid-19 virus by “gathering”.
In passing, I wondered again about gatherings put on by those within the Government’s close political circles, which might contribute to spread. My curiosity grew when Dr Parasram also disclosed that “the contact tracers say that a lot of contacts are coming from private gatherings”. I had raised a red flag last Sunday about condonation of “society” events held contrary to ministerial and other exhortations.
The Monday news conference began with Dr Avery Hinds, our equally trusted Chief Epidemiologist, presenting graphs to show that we are currently experiencing the highest number of Covid infections since August/September 2020 (election time). Dr Maryam Abdool-Richards, Principal Medical Officer—Institutions, followed to warn us that the capacity of the parallel healthcare system could reach collapse in days.
These presentations were the prelude for the PM’s stern alarm about our now perilous situation regarding virus spread. Many of us were not shocked at how perilous the situation had become because we were aware of the “gathering” big time, as well as some of the madness that Easter would bring. The Government stood aside when it knew or ought to have known what an unrestricted Easter would bring.
Over 50,000 persons travelled between Trinidad and Tobago in the week leading up to the long Easter holiday weekend, according to Minister Rohan Sinanan, who was proud of the smooth operation of the air and sea bridges. He congratulated the persons responsible for “a fantastic job” in moving that number of people smoothly “even though we are in a pandemic”.
Reference to this is not intended to fault lovely Tobago or Tobagonians. It simply further demonstrates officials blowing hot and cold about “gathering”, yet blaming those who were infected by the “free-up-for-Easter” atmosphere. The shock was not from the foreseeable Easter fallout. It was Dr Parasram’s disclosure, expressed in the words of the next three paragraphs, that shocked me. Added to that, on Friday last, the PM acknowledged “the laxness starting in mid-March”.
“If you recall, I had said in the early part of March that we noticed a considerable increase. People at the time thought that it was too small. I thought that it was enough to cause a significant increase in terms of a snowball-type effect.
“If it started in early March, just because we were going into a season—as you know, Easter was coming up—there was a period where we expected an increased number of people coming together.
“When you take this kind of increase it goes on top the next, so you double, then you go into a quadruple very fast. If you think about a snowball, the effect is exactly like a snowball. You start small and, very quickly, you go to two, to four, to six, to eight and then to 16, and that is what we are seeing in the graphs that Dr Hinds would have presented”.
Who were “the people who thought the increase was too small”? Minister of Health, was that you? Were there political considerations requiring stimulation of the Tobago domestic tourism economy in light of the six-six Tobago electoral tie?
Those who cast aside Dr Parasram’s early March observation would be boldfaced to reprimand ordinary citizens without shouldering their own responsibility for what appears to be a horrible but foreseeable Easter outcome, given Dr Parasram’s warning and other pointers about rapid spread likely to come out of the Easter weekend.
Is it now clear that the increased lockdowns, not imposed earlier following the March warning, are fatally late; and the persistent, but now abandoned, attempted denials of the South American variant slipping through porous borders were deceiving?
March 11th is when we had enough data to know we needed to lockdown. Not a month a later.
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zoom rader wrote:Who in charge?
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