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adnj wrote:This year, more than 420 unvaccinated people died from COVID. About 380 may have likely lived IF they had chosen to become fully vaccinated.hover11 wrote:Omicron was the end all, life is back to normal...pro vax logic
Try harder.
No. He/she cannot.Phone Surgeon wrote:Chaos can you honestly tell us that vaxxed persons aren't recovering faster or having less issues than unvaxxed persons?
Phone Surgeon wrote:Chaos can you honestly tell us that vaxxed persons aren't recovering faster or having less issues than unvaxxed persons?
The problem is source bias .Redman wrote:Phone Surgeon wrote:Chaos can you honestly tell us that vaxxed persons aren't recovering faster or having less issues than unvaxxed persons?
The challenge here is source,
Govts world wide are notorious for poor data gathering in general.
Omnicron is less reported by the public further skewing numbers.
Death by or with
Admission from or with
Layer in how one feels.about the disease,govt, big pharma, 5G and Elvis,.we have a global 24hr soap opera that feels like it's taking place in sound bites.
Here since Dec no one that I know who has or thinks they had it has reported it.
Test privately stay home for a week or two.
A few employees tested at health centers were never notified but when they went back after 20+days at home some were advised as positive and some negative..
No hospitalizations
Not one got timely feedback from Min of Health.
So if they operating like that at the tip of the spear, what else are they halfarsing?
Phone Surgeon wrote:Chaos can you honestly tell us that vaxxed persons aren't recovering faster or having less issues than unvaxxed persons?
adnj wrote:No. He/she cannot.Phone Surgeon wrote:Chaos can you honestly tell us that vaxxed persons aren't recovering faster or having less issues than unvaxxed persons?
Phone Surgeon wrote:what is natural immunity?
you mean your immune system healthy otherwise ?
Phone Surgeon wrote:So from your own words .....getting pfizer and sinopharm better than being unvaxxed?
Phone Surgeon wrote:So from your own words .....getting pfizer and sinopharm better than being unvaxxed?
drchaos wrote:Phone Surgeon wrote:So from your own words .....getting pfizer and sinopharm better than being unvaxxed?
Depends on alot of factors.
I do not agree with the blanket statement that everyone must be vaccinated.
Does vaccination provide protection from hospitalization and death? Yes
Depends on your risk factors, on your immunity to the virus.
For example if you eat sheit and have cormorbidities, then considering the vaccine is a good idea.
If you have already have had covid then your immunity is good and no need to get vaccinated. Your immunity will be even better with a vaccine on top of natural immunity but marginally so. You would be risking adverse effects for marginal protection which may not make sense to some people.
Pushing vaccines on healthy kids is dotish at best. You risk to benefit ratios would be way off.
Kids with comorbidities its an option that should be given serious thought.
drchaos wrote:Depends on alot of factors.
I do not agree with the blanket statement that everyone must be vaccinated.
Does vaccination provide protection from hospitalization and death? Yes
Depends on your risk factors, on your immunity to the virus.
For example if you eat sheit and have cormorbidities, then considering the vaccine is a good idea.
If you have already have had covid then your immunity is good and no need to get vaccinated. Your immunity will be even better with a vaccine on top of natural immunity but marginally so. You would be risking adverse effects for marginal protection which may not make sense to some people.
Pushing vaccines on healthy kids is dotish at best. You risk to benefit ratios would be way off.
Kids with comorbidities its an option that should be given serious thought.
Phone Surgeon wrote:Idk...everybody could give an opinion.
He's a doctor supposedly.
He must be seeing in house holds where a parent is infected that the disease isn't spreading to the other parent or kids etc...
And be able to state if in his experience unvaxxed households more likely for covid to affect everyone or not.
Phone Surgeon wrote:And chaos whats your opinion on if being vaccinated curbs or prevents or lessens virus shedding? Where you spread the virus to others?
drchaos wrote:Phone Surgeon wrote:So from your own words .....getting pfizer and sinopharm better than being unvaxxed?
Depends on alot of factors.
I do not agree with the blanket statement that everyone must be vaccinated.
Does vaccination provide protection from hospitalization and death? Yes
Depends on your risk factors, on your immunity to the virus.
For example if you eat sheit and have cormorbidities, then considering the vaccine is a good idea.
If you have already have had covid then your immunity is good and no need to get vaccinated. Your immunity will be even better with a vaccine on top of natural immunity but marginally so. You would be risking adverse effects for marginal protection which may not make sense to some people.
Pushing vaccines on healthy kids is dotish at best. You risk to benefit ratios would be way off.
Kids with comorbidities its an option that should be given serious thought.
Phone Surgeon wrote:Idk...everybody could give an opinion.
He's a doctor supposedly.
He must be seeing in house holds where a parent is infected that the disease isn't spreading to the other parent or kids etc...
And be able to state if in his experience unvaxxed households more likely for covid to affect everyone or not.
redmanjp wrote:i think recent studies show natural immunity reduces likelihood of reinfection- but that may have been pre omicron.- i.e. if u got infected with a previous strain u will still get omicron but if u get omicron u wont get omicron again. but then again the 1st gen vaccines not really having any effect on reducing spread of omicron although they reduced spread of delta etc.
if we want to reduce spread by vaccines we now need the updated vaccines targeted towards omicron - a booster dose of the current one does it but only for about 2-3 months.
Mmoney607 wrote:The covid committee running a survey for former patients. The survey only running for four days and on a Facebook page with 2 likes and nineteen shares. More people going and find out through this post that on that Facebook page. They can't be Mc serious at all.
paid_influencer wrote:Mmoney607 wrote:The covid committee running a survey for former patients. The survey only running for four days and on a Facebook page with 2 likes and nineteen shares. More people going and find out through this post that on that Facebook page. They can't be Mc serious at all.
wait what
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