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So who won the pandemic debate?

Poll ended at August 3rd, 2023, 3:48 pm

Antivaxxers - Ah still alive! babylon cyah kill me!
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43%
Covidians - Small pin does chook hard but it save the world.
6
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Me eh care - Allyuh keep arguing nah man, ah wining on dis bumper right here.
2
14%
 
Total votes: 14

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Postby redmanjp » July 1st, 2022, 4:01 pm

S_2NR wrote:Whoever afraid to get covid should continue to wear n95 masks and avoid high risk situations like travel. The rest of the world is moving on.


yeah it includes airline staff too - no wonder many flights getting cancelled :lol:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/airlines-face-mask-covid-rules-flights-canceled/

some ppl (including immunocompromised ppl) have to travel by the way for medical or family issues. not everyone travelling for vacation.

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Postby adnj » July 1st, 2022, 5:04 pm

redmanjp wrote:
S_2NR wrote:Whoever afraid to get covid should continue to wear n95 masks and avoid high risk situations like travel. The rest of the world is moving on.


yeah it includes airline staff too - no wonder many flights getting cancelled :lol:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/airlines-face-mask-covid-rules-flights-canceled/

some ppl (including immunocompromised ppl) have to travel by the way for medical or family issues. not everyone travelling for vacation.


Real world data that masking impacts infection.

SO DAMN PREDICTABLE—UK govt drops restrictions, airlines like @easyJet drops masks… and less than 2 weeks later… huge spike in pilots and flight attendants out sick with #COVID19 unable to work, and 120 flights cancelled! Airline CEOs asked for this. https://t.co/zVOc2g2KzS pic.twitter.com/YWD7XIOodl

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Re: COVID-19 in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby sMASH » July 1st, 2022, 9:32 pm

redmanjp wrote:
S_2NR wrote:Whoever afraid to get covid should continue to wear n95 masks and avoid high risk situations like travel. The rest of the world is moving on.


yeah it includes airline staff too - no wonder many flights getting cancelled

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/airlines-face-mask-covid-rules-flights-canceled/

some ppl (including immunocompromised ppl) have to travel by the way for medical or family issues. not everyone travelling for vacation.
How did they manage before covid?

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Re: COVID-19 in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » July 1st, 2022, 9:53 pm

sMASH wrote:
redmanjp wrote:
S_2NR wrote:Whoever afraid to get covid should continue to wear n95 masks and avoid high risk situations like travel. The rest of the world is moving on.


yeah it includes airline staff too - no wonder many flights getting cancelled

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/airlines-face-mask-covid-rules-flights-canceled/

some ppl (including immunocompromised ppl) have to travel by the way for medical or family issues. not everyone travelling for vacation.
How did they manage before covid?

What was as widespread and as contagious as Covid before Covid?

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Re: COVID-19 in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby sMASH » July 1st, 2022, 10:43 pm

Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:
sMASH wrote:
redmanjp wrote:
S_2NR wrote:Whoever afraid to get covid should continue to wear n95 masks and avoid high risk situations like travel. The rest of the world is moving on.


yeah it includes airline staff too - no wonder many flights getting cancelled

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/airlines-face-mask-covid-rules-flights-canceled/

some ppl (including immunocompromised ppl) have to travel by the way for medical or family issues. not everyone travelling for vacation.
How did they manage before covid?

What was as widespread and as contagious as Covid before Covid?

influenza

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Re: COVID-19 in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby adnj » July 2nd, 2022, 12:24 am

sMASH wrote:
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:
sMASH wrote:
redmanjp wrote:
S_2NR wrote:Whoever afraid to get covid should continue to wear n95 masks and avoid high risk situations like travel. The rest of the world is moving on.


yeah it includes airline staff too - no wonder many flights getting cancelled

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/airlines-face-mask-covid-rules-flights-canceled/

some ppl (including immunocompromised ppl) have to travel by the way for medical or family issues. not everyone travelling for vacation.
How did they manage before covid?

What was as widespread and as contagious as Covid before Covid?

influenza


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Re: COVID-19 in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » July 2nd, 2022, 12:24 am

sMASH wrote:
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:
sMASH wrote:
redmanjp wrote:
S_2NR wrote:Whoever afraid to get covid should continue to wear n95 masks and avoid high risk situations like travel. The rest of the world is moving on.


yeah it includes airline staff too - no wonder many flights getting cancelled

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/airlines-face-mask-covid-rules-flights-canceled/

some ppl (including immunocompromised ppl) have to travel by the way for medical or family issues. not everyone travelling for vacation.
How did they manage before covid?

What was as widespread and as contagious as Covid before Covid?

influenza

The R0 for influenza is between 1 and 2
The R0 for Omicron BA.2 the latest variant is about 12
https://www.pharmatimes.com/news/omicro ... nd_1389089

"Omicron’s Surprising Anatomy Explains Why It Is Wildly Contagious
Omicron spreads quickly. The earliest coronavirus variants had an average incubation period of roughly five days. The Delta variant moved faster at four days, and for Omicron, it’s about three. For a virus, this is lightning speed even compared to the highly contagious measles virus, where one person can infect 15 other people in 12 days. Omicron doubles every 2-3 days, with one case spreading to six people in four days, 36 people in eight days, and a hefty 216 people after 12 days."
https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... ontagious/

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Re: COVID-19 in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby sMASH » July 2nd, 2022, 5:58 am

Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:
sMASH wrote:
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:
sMASH wrote:
redmanjp wrote:
S_2NR wrote:Whoever afraid to get covid should continue to wear n95 masks and avoid high risk situations like travel. The rest of the world is moving on.


yeah it includes airline staff too - no wonder many flights getting cancelled

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/airlines-face-mask-covid-rules-flights-canceled/

some ppl (including immunocompromised ppl) have to travel by the way for medical or family issues. not everyone travelling for vacation.
How did they manage before covid?

What was as widespread and as contagious as Covid before Covid?

influenza

The R0 for influenza is between 1 and 2
The R0 for Omicron BA.2 the latest variant is about 12
https://www.pharmatimes.com/news/omicro ... nd_1389089

"Omicron’s Surprising Anatomy Explains Why It Is Wildly Contagious
Omicron spreads quickly. The earliest coronavirus variants had an average incubation period of roughly five days. The Delta variant moved faster at four days, and for Omicron, it’s about three. For a virus, this is lightning speed even compared to the highly contagious measles virus, where one person can infect 15 other people in 12 days. Omicron doubles every 2-3 days, with one case spreading to six people in four days, 36 people in eight days, and a hefty 216 people after 12 days."
https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... ontagious/

so thats great for the immuno compromised individual. they dont have to take any precautions.

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Re: COVID-19 in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby timelapse » July 2nd, 2022, 7:58 am

Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:
sMASH wrote:
redmanjp wrote:
S_2NR wrote:Whoever afraid to get covid should continue to wear n95 masks and avoid high risk situations like travel. The rest of the world is moving on.


yeah it includes airline staff too - no wonder many flights getting cancelled

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/airlines-face-mask-covid-rules-flights-canceled/

some ppl (including immunocompromised ppl) have to travel by the way for medical or family issues. not everyone travelling for vacation.
How did they manage before covid?

What was as widespread and as contagious as Covid before Covid?
Stupidity

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Re: COVID-19 in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby adnj » July 2nd, 2022, 8:19 am

Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:
sMASH wrote:
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:
sMASH wrote:
redmanjp wrote:
S_2NR wrote:Whoever afraid to get covid should continue to wear n95 masks and avoid high risk situations like travel. The rest of the world is moving on.


yeah it includes airline staff too - no wonder many flights getting cancelled

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/airlines-face-mask-covid-rules-flights-canceled/

some ppl (including immunocompromised ppl) have to travel by the way for medical or family issues. not everyone travelling for vacation.
How did they manage before covid?

What was as widespread and as contagious as Covid before Covid?

influenza

The R0 for influenza is between 1 and 2
The R0 for Omicron BA.2 the latest variant is about 12

https://www.pharmatimes.com/news/omicro ... nd_1389089

"Omicron’s Surprising Anatomy Explains Why It Is Wildly Contagious
Omicron spreads quickly. The earliest coronavirus variants had an average incubation period of roughly five days. The Delta variant moved faster at four days, and for Omicron, it’s about three. For a virus, this is lightning speed even compared to the highly contagious measles virus, where one person can infect 15 other people in 12 days. Omicron doubles every 2-3 days, with one case spreading to six people in four days, 36 people in eight days, and a hefty 216 people after 12 days."
https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... ontagious/


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Re: COVID-19 in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby adnj » July 2nd, 2022, 12:55 pm

sMASH wrote:
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:
sMASH wrote:well, mask mandate getting looked into into removal. hopefully those who think its the best line of defense against covee, will KEEP wearing them, cause science. and not bend to political pressure to NOT wear them.

if masks work, covee is STILL a thing, so keep protecting ur self.. in ur own car, that ur own family use.

Masks work when used properly
That's why doctors and surgeons use masks

If you won't wear a mask for political reasons you were wearing it for the wrong reason

thats for droplet splashes, not airborne particles of viruses.
im sure the case rate after the 10k + fetes would show bumps, to attest to the performance of the cloth masks.

me dont have 1000 dollar to pay every time to the govt. as soon as it officially disbanded, its off.

hopefully, all those that still say cloth masks was working recognize that covee isnt done and still chose to protect themselves.


Still wrong. Keep humping that same leg all over town.

What is a respirator and what is a NIOSH-approved N-95 respirator?
A respirator is a personal protective device that is worn on the face, covers at least the nose and mouth, and is used to reduce the wearer’s risk of inhaling hazardous airborne particles (including dust particles and infectious agents), gases, or vapors. ...

N-95 Respirator
An N-95 respirator is one of nine types of disposable particulate respirators.

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Particulate respirators are also known as “air-purifying respirators” because they protect by filtering particles out of the air as you breathe. These respirators protect only against particles—not gases or vapors. Since airborne biological agents such as bacteria or viruses are particles, they can be filtered by particulate respirators.

https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npptl/topics/ ... psars.html


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Re: COVID-19 in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby st7 » July 2nd, 2022, 1:03 pm

fyi smash trolling for attention. smash, max, hover, dragoon.... all attention-seeking trolls

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Postby hover11 » July 2nd, 2022, 1:11 pm

st7 wrote:fyi smash trolling for attention. smash, max, hover, dragoon.... all attention-seeking trolls


Means alot coming from STD, it truly does

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Postby adnj » July 2nd, 2022, 1:22 pm

hover11 wrote:
st7 wrote:fyi smash trolling for attention. smash, max, hover, dragoon.... all attention-seeking trolls


Means alot coming from STD, it truly does


You need to get your little monkeyass back in there and figure out the difference between price elasticity and inelasticity before you raise up your leg to piss on another thread.

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Postby DMan7 » July 2nd, 2022, 1:27 pm

Lawdy, the forum bobolee getting licks again? :lol:

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Re: COVID-19 in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby st7 » July 2nd, 2022, 2:46 pm

adnj wrote:
hover11 wrote:
st7 wrote:fyi smash trolling for attention. smash, max, hover, dragoon.... all attention-seeking trolls


Means alot coming from STD, it truly does


You need to get your little monkeyass back in there and figure out the difference between price elasticity and inelasticity before you raise up your leg to piss on another thread.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: COVID-19 in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby MaxPower » July 2nd, 2022, 9:16 pm

st7 wrote:fyi smash trolling for attention. smash, max, hover, dragoon.... all attention-seeking trolls


stD,

When you go stop whining boy?

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Postby st7 » July 3rd, 2022, 2:41 am

MaxPower wrote:
st7 wrote:fyi smash trolling for attention. smash, max, hover, dragoon.... all attention-seeking trolls


stD,

When you go stop whining boy?


when u stop being a nasty trini who like messing up the place and then hiring other ppl to clean it for you

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Postby adnj » July 13th, 2022, 2:23 pm

100 years and counting of mask wearing in Japan
As wearing face masks in public becomes the new normal across the world, what can we learn from a country like Japan, where this has been a long-established practice?

19 February 2021

From San Francisco, with mask orders: Japan responds to its first 20th century pandemic
Even though the use of facemasks in Japan can be traced back to before the 20th century, it was the Spanish influenza pandemic between 1918 and 1920 that significantly altered the status of wearing masks.

This shift was triggered by the search for effective ways to contain the influenza pandemic. By the autumn of 1918, Japan’s National Public Health Bureau, learning from cities like San Francisco that successfully responded to the pandemic through mask orders, took action. Local authorities across Japan were directed to encourage people to wear masks in hospitals, on trains and trams, and in crowded areas. A year later, free masks were provided to those who could not afford them, and theatres, buses and cinemas were added to the list of public places where wearing masks was mandatory.

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Doctor’s note: masks work
Over the next century, a series of major public and global health threats and crises across East Asia, including the 2003 outbreak of severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) and swine flu in 2009, further cultivated a culture of mask wearing among the general public in Japan. Ultimately, wearing face masks came to symbolise a collective and targeted defence against the invisible threat of pandemics.

It’s not difficult to see why; wearing face masks can be an effective measure to reduce transmission. By providing an additional layer of protection, they can help to prevent the wearer from spreading viral infections to others, which is particularly useful in high-risk circumstances where physical distancing proves impossible and the level of ventilation is either minimal or unknown.

https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/100-y ... ring-japan

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Postby adnj » July 15th, 2022, 10:34 am

Mandatory random COVID-19 testing for fully vaccinated air travellers resuming next week

Testing was suspended following massive delays at airports

Darren Major · CBC News · Posted: Jul 14, 2022 9:17 AM ET | Last Updated: July 14

ImageA traveller walks past a mandatory COVID-19 testing sign at Pearson International Airport in Toronto. Random testing for fully vaccinated travellers will be conducted outside of airports starting July 19. (Carlo Allegri/Reuters)

The federal government says it will resume mandatory random COVID-19 testing of international travellers arriving at four major airports next week.

Ottawa suspended random testing for fully vaccinated travellers last month after airport authorities urged the government to drop the program, saying it was causing long delays at airports. Testing remained in place for those not considered fully vaccinated.

Fully vaccinated travellers will once again be subject to mandatory testing, although the government is moving the testing out of airports to nearby off-site locations, such as pharmacies. Travellers also can book a virtual self-swab appointment.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mandat ... -1.6520257

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New Mutant Covid Variant From India, BA.2.75, Detected In California & 6 Other States, Raising Concern About Fall 2022 Wave

Tom Tapp | July 13, 2022 1:30pm

Just one week after BA.5 had outcompeted all other Covid strains become dominant in the U.S., a new highly-mutated Omicron subvariant has arrived which may begin the cycle all over again.

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BA.2.75 has a large number of mutations when compared to its sister Omicron lineages. Some of those adaptations could allow the virus to bind onto cells more efficiently, said Matthew Binnicker, director of clinical virology at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota. BA.2.75 was first sequenced in May in India, where it has spread rapidly.

A very early analysis of data from India by Raj Rajnarayanan — who is Assistant Dean of Research, NYITCOM at Arkansas State University — indicates that BA.2.75 may have a growth advantage over BA.5. It is unclear, as yet, whether BA.2.75 makes people sicker than previous variants.

Since it was first identified, the subvariant has been spotted in “about 14 countries,” according to WHO Covid-19 Technical Lead, Maria Van Kerkhove. Those include Australia, Canada, Japan, Germany, New Zealand, the United Kingdom and the U.S.

https://deadline.com/2022/07/ba-two-75- ... 235063096/

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Postby redmanjp » July 15th, 2022, 11:02 am

if covid testing to come into the country has ended it means u gonna have a lot of BA5 positive ppl coming in- and with the mask mandate going as well they will start to spread it on the plane as well. it going to explode and we in a worse position than the US as we doh have antivirals, and we have a lower vax rate.

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Postby Chimera » July 15th, 2022, 11:03 am

Steups I hope I don't get covid a 3rd time
This time I guh dead for sure.
First time I take about 6 to 8 months to get back normal. I still get chest pains and breathing problems from the 2nd time

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Postby Dohplaydat » July 15th, 2022, 11:09 am

redmanjp wrote:if covid testing to come into the country has ended it means u gonna have a lot of BA5 positive ppl coming in- and with the mask mandate going as well they will start to spread it on the plane as well. it going to explode and we in a worse position than the US as we doh have antivirals, and we have a lower vax rate.


They are using Paxlovid and Remdesivir in Couva though.

Well think about this, at some point (like now) we have to realize that covid is no worse than the flu (Omicron not OG covid), it's not causing a strain on health facilities so what's the point of all the extra precautions.

Enact those precautions if it mutates into something more deadly. As of now, Omicron BA5.1/.2 and 2.75 is still quite harmless to most, especially the vaccinated and boosted.

The UK is a good example, they have been fully open for basically a year now (except for a short period in December when Omicron was new and taking over) and guess what? The NHS didn't collapse, everything was normal and their deaths over the last year has been significantly less than T&T.
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Postby redmanjp » July 15th, 2022, 11:59 am

but UK has way higher vax and boosted levels
and I'm sure as any first world country already using Paxlovid as well as monoclonals which lowers the risk more a lot more than us. Paxlovid has an efficacy of 89% of keeping ppl from progressing to severe illness. so even the few unvaxxed elderly ppl can be treated out of hospital.


by the way what do u mean paxlovid being used in Couva? that is what u take to keep u out of hospital? as in at home, to stop u from needing to go there in the first place.

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Postby Chimera » July 15th, 2022, 12:46 pm

Heart Problems in COVID Long Haulers
SARS-CoV-2 infection can leave some people with heart problems, including inflammation of the heart muscle. In fact, one study showed that 60% of people who recovered from COVID-19 had signs of ongoing heart inflammation, which could lead to the common symptoms of shortness of breath, palpitations and rapid heartbeat. This inflammation appeared even in those who had had a mild case of COVID-19 and who had no medical issues before they got sick.

Breathing Issues after COVID-19
A bad case of COVID-19 can produce scarring and other permanent problems in the lungs, but even mild infections can cause persistent shortness of breath — getting winded easily after even light exertion.

Lung recovery after COVID-19 is possible, but takes time. Experts say it can take months for a person’s lung function to return to pre-COVID-19 levels. Breathing exercises and respiratory therapy can help.


suffering from that for sure

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Postby Dohplaydat » July 15th, 2022, 1:56 pm

redmanjp wrote:but UK has way higher vax and boosted levels
and I'm sure as any first world country already using Paxlovid as well as monoclonals which lowers the risk more a lot more than us. Paxlovid has an efficacy of 89% of keeping ppl from progressing to severe illness. so even the few unvaxxed elderly ppl can be treated out of hospital.


by the way what do u mean paxlovid being used in Couva? that is what u take to keep u out of hospital? as in at home, to stop u from needing to go there in the first place.


Vaccine is still available, I can't force people to take it. If they wanna get rel sick be my guest, but our freedoms cannot depend on them.

If things get back and they overflow the hospitals then I hope they prioritize the vaccinated first.

As far as I'm aware Couva is using Paxlovid to keep patients out of HDU and ICU.

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Postby gastly369 » July 15th, 2022, 2:04 pm

If its the ba.5 that's spreading quietly all the time no amount of vaccine and booster / immunity stopping it atm...

Also note I was double vaxxed AZ only around September last year prob weened off but can't do much at this time other than rally it out now...

Taking a 3 days course from today of azinish antibiotics

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Postby redmanjp » July 15th, 2022, 3:26 pm

Dohplaydat wrote:
redmanjp wrote:but UK has way higher vax and boosted levels
and I'm sure as any first world country already using Paxlovid as well as monoclonals which lowers the risk more a lot more than us. Paxlovid has an efficacy of 89% of keeping ppl from progressing to severe illness. so even the few unvaxxed elderly ppl can be treated out of hospital.


by the way what do u mean paxlovid being used in Couva? that is what u take to keep u out of hospital? as in at home, to stop u from needing to go there in the first place.


Vaccine is still available, I can't force people to take it. If they wanna get rel sick be my guest, but our freedoms cannot depend on them.

If things get back and they overflow the hospitals then I hope they prioritize the vaccinated first.

As far as I'm aware Couva is using Paxlovid to keep patients out of HDU and ICU.



ok. but it should be available at least in public healthcare centres and drug stores. maybe even private doctors and pharmacies too. my brother's wife in Houston got some from her doctor- no hospital admission necessary. by the time u reach hospital after a few days pass the effectiveness would have gone down and the chance of long term damage from long covid, etc is very high.

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