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adnj wrote:sMASH wrote:adnj wrote:Lockdowns and nonpharmaceutical interventions reduce health system susceptibility. That also buys you time to vaccinate a significant portion of the population.
New Zealand locked down and now has more than 80% fully vaccinated, more than 50% boosted.
NZ has 10 times the reported case rate and the same death rate as Trinidad and Tobago. TTO's per capita total deaths is 15 times higher than NZ.
Low vaccine uptake leads to high hospitalizations and deaths.
imagine having 80% vax and 50% boosted and still having the same death rate as a place that only 55% vaxed with 21% of that boosted.
grate work there guys.
shoulda do like africa and stay below the world average... lowest shots, lowest boosts, lowest cases is, lowest hospitalizations, lowest death rate... both causal and incidental.
u know what africa high in? ivermectin use...
Stupid and a fuckkup. You didn't get to the last part: "TTO's per capita total deaths is 15 times higher than NZ."
Another "grate" analysis. *smh*
drchaos wrote:Lockdowns don't stop the spread.
They press the pause button.
When you press the resume button .....
New Zealand is now experiencing massive surges.
Over 24K cases per day in March and deaths hitting as high as 35 per day.
X10000MaxPower wrote:drchaos wrote:Lockdowns don't stop the spread.
They press the pause button.
When you press the resume button .....
New Zealand is now experiencing massive surges.
Over 24K cases per day in March and deaths hitting as high as 35 per day.
dr,
Again, Lockdowns will stop the spread only if managed properly.
Answer me this, if you lockdown and separate two groups of people infected with covid until they have fully recovered and then have them together, how is infection and spread possible?
It spreads when people are not locked down properly and carefully and they mingle and contaminate.
So saying lockdowns don’t work only applies when you do it correctly first and THEN decide if it works or not. The same goes for mask wearing and sanitizing.
I will repeat, if i have covid, and i wash my hands properly, if i touch a surface or someones face, it is impossible for me to infect them.
If i am wearing a proper mask and it blocks all particles from exiting my mouth and nose, it is impossible for me to infect others or the area i am in.
Everyone has to be on the same page.
To this day, those who have followed the protocols and guidelines strictly as myself, have been thankfully able to avoid Covid.
Humans and humans alone have the ability to stop the stop the spread through responsible and considerate actions.
sMASH wrote:that uptick in deaths was when we had started vaccinating people. then did our soe with curfew.
lock down, failure. lockdown +vax = failure+failure
paid_influencer wrote:sMASH positions are always controversial at the time they are posted.... but you know what... everything sMASH has advocated has become policy whether people will admit it or not. Everything from herd immunity to vaccine mandates, all eventually converged to accept sMASH's position (and he has never done the sort of gymnastics in position that some of the more copy/pasty posters have).
I, too, am starting to come around to his position being ultimately the most common-sense one and the "scientific consensus positions" being completely malleable to the whims of the owners of capital.
adnj wrote:paid_influencer wrote:sMASH positions are always controversial at the time they are posted.... but you know what... everything sMASH has advocated has become policy whether people will admit it or not. Everything from herd immunity to vaccine mandates, all eventually converged to accept sMASH's position (and he has never done the sort of gymnastics in position that some of the more copy/pasty posters have).
I, too, am starting to come around to his position being ultimately the most common-sense one and the "scientific consensus positions" being completely malleable to the whims of the owners of capital.
Herd immunity works when the herd takes the vaccine. Trinis didn't and now rank twenty-fifth in the rate of recorded COVID deaths. Israel is 85th and New Zealand is 158th (but those numbers are inflated/deflated/not real according to you).
Pandemic vaccine mandates are not new (but no one takes school vaccines/needs to vaccinate to travel/eliminate the threat to fellow workers/vaccines don't work anyway according to you).
After three years, the pandemic will be over and you will rewrite your version of makes sense. And you'll still get it wrong.
U dont need Vax to get immunity.adnj wrote:paid_influencer wrote:sMASH positions are always controversial at the time they are posted.... but you know what... everything sMASH has advocated has become policy whether people will admit it or not. Everything from herd immunity to vaccine mandates, all eventually converged to accept sMASH's position (and he has never done the sort of gymnastics in position that some of the more copy/pasty posters have).
I, too, am starting to come around to his position being ultimately the most common-sense one and the "scientific consensus positions" being completely malleable to the whims of the owners of capital.
Herd immunity works when the herd takes the vaccine. Trinis didn't and now rank twenty-fifth in the rate of recorded COVID deaths. Israel is 85th and New Zealand is 158th (but those numbers are inflated/deflated/not real according to you).
Pandemic vaccine mandates are not new (but no one takes school vaccines/needs to vaccinate to travel/eliminate the threat to fellow workers/vaccines don't work anyway according to you).
After three years, the pandemic will be over and you will rewrite your version of makes sense. And you'll still get it wrong.
sMASH wrote:U dont need Vax to get immunity.adnj wrote:paid_influencer wrote:sMASH positions are always controversial at the time they are posted.... but you know what... everything sMASH has advocated has become policy whether people will admit it or not. Everything from herd immunity to vaccine mandates, all eventually converged to accept sMASH's position (and he has never done the sort of gymnastics in position that some of the more copy/pasty posters have).
I, too, am starting to come around to his position being ultimately the most common-sense one and the "scientific consensus positions" being completely malleable to the whims of the owners of capital.
Herd immunity works when the herd takes the vaccine. Trinis didn't and now rank twenty-fifth in the rate of recorded COVID deaths. Israel is 85th and New Zealand is 158th (but those numbers are inflated/deflated/not real according to you).
Pandemic vaccine mandates are not new (but no one takes school vaccines/needs to vaccinate to travel/eliminate the threat to fellow workers/vaccines don't work anyway according to you).
After three years, the pandemic will be over and you will rewrite your version of makes sense. And you'll still get it wrong.
You dont get immunity from vaccines. You get immunity from being inoculated with a vaccine (but vaccines don't work/COVID is the vaccine/everyone vaccinated will be killed in 87 years).redmanjp wrote:sMASH wrote:U dont need Vax to get immunity.adnj wrote:paid_influencer wrote:sMASH positions are always controversial at the time they are posted.... but you know what... everything sMASH has advocated has become policy whether people will admit it or not. Everything from herd immunity to vaccine mandates, all eventually converged to accept sMASH's position (and he has never done the sort of gymnastics in position that some of the more copy/pasty posters have).
I, too, am starting to come around to his position being ultimately the most common-sense one and the "scientific consensus positions" being completely malleable to the whims of the owners of capital.
Herd immunity works when the herd takes the vaccine. Trinis didn't and now rank twenty-fifth in the rate of recorded COVID deaths. Israel is 85th and New Zealand is 158th (but those numbers are inflated/deflated/not real according to you).
Pandemic vaccine mandates are not new (but no one takes school vaccines/needs to vaccinate to travel/eliminate the threat to fellow workers/vaccines don't work anyway according to you).
After three years, the pandemic will be over and you will rewrite your version of makes sense. And you'll still get it wrong.
but u need it to get immunity without the risk of death by covid. 3800+ souls eh. and many thousands more with bad health outcomes e.g. being hospitalized, most of whom will not recover for at least a year.
adnj wrote:You dont get immunity from vaccines. You get immunity from being inoculated with a vaccine (but vaccines don't work/COVID is the vaccine/everyone vaccinated will be killed in 87 years).redmanjp wrote:sMASH wrote:U dont need Vax to get immunity.adnj wrote:paid_influencer wrote:sMASH positions are always controversial at the time they are posted.... but you know what... everything sMASH has advocated has become policy whether people will admit it or not. Everything from herd immunity to vaccine mandates, all eventually converged to accept sMASH's position (and he has never done the sort of gymnastics in position that some of the more copy/pasty posters have).
I, too, am starting to come around to his position being ultimately the most common-sense one and the "scientific consensus positions" being completely malleable to the whims of the owners of capital.
Herd immunity works when the herd takes the vaccine. Trinis didn't and now rank twenty-fifth in the rate of recorded COVID deaths. Israel is 85th and New Zealand is 158th (but those numbers are inflated/deflated/not real according to you).
Pandemic vaccine mandates are not new (but no one takes school vaccines/needs to vaccinate to travel/eliminate the threat to fellow workers/vaccines don't work anyway according to you).
After three years, the pandemic will be over and you will rewrite your version of makes sense. And you'll still get it wrong.
but u need it to get immunity without the risk of death by covid. 3800+ souls eh. and many thousands more with bad health outcomes e.g. being hospitalized, most of whom will not recover for at least a year.
You don't get immunity from being infected. You get immunity by surviving the infection (but there's 98% survival rate/omicron is the flu/only four old people died today from COVID).
Free-thinkers: beating their heads into a wall until blood squirts out to prove that it doesn't hurt.
What the hell are you talking about with Columbus?sMASH wrote:adnj wrote:You dont get immunity from vaccines. You get immunity from being inoculated with a vaccine (but vaccines don't work/COVID is the vaccine/everyone vaccinated will be killed in 87 years).redmanjp wrote:sMASH wrote:U dont need Vax to get immunity.adnj wrote:paid_influencer wrote:sMASH positions are always controversial at the time they are posted.... but you know what... everything sMASH has advocated has become policy whether people will admit it or not. Everything from herd immunity to vaccine mandates, all eventually converged to accept sMASH's position (and he has never done the sort of gymnastics in position that some of the more copy/pasty posters have).
I, too, am starting to come around to his position being ultimately the most common-sense one and the "scientific consensus positions" being completely malleable to the whims of the owners of capital.
Herd immunity works when the herd takes the vaccine. Trinis didn't and now rank twenty-fifth in the rate of recorded COVID deaths. Israel is 85th and New Zealand is 158th (but those numbers are inflated/deflated/not real according to you).
Pandemic vaccine mandates are not new (but no one takes school vaccines/needs to vaccinate to travel/eliminate the threat to fellow workers/vaccines don't work anyway according to you).
After three years, the pandemic will be over and you will rewrite your version of makes sense. And you'll still get it wrong.
but u need it to get immunity without the risk of death by covid. 3800+ souls eh. and many thousands more with bad health outcomes e.g. being hospitalized, most of whom will not recover for at least a year.
You don't get immunity from being infected. You get immunity by surviving the infection (but there's 98% survival rate/omicron is the flu/only four old people died today from COVID).
Free-thinkers: beating their heads into a wall until blood squirts out to prove that it doesn't hurt.
unvaxed and alive... i know that must suck to know....
but at least u posted that u can get immunity from the infection, and its NOT ONLY BY VACCINES.
cause if u needed the vax to get immunity the columbus and the native americans story might go a lil differently .
MaxPower wrote:drchaos wrote:Lockdowns don't stop the spread.
They press the pause button.
When you press the resume button .....
New Zealand is now experiencing massive surges.
Over 24K cases per day in March and deaths hitting as high as 35 per day.
dr,
Again, Lockdowns will stop the spread only if managed properly.
Answer me this, if you lockdown and separate two groups of people infected with covid until they have fully recovered and then have them together, how is infection and spread possible?
It spreads when people are not locked down properly and carefully and they mingle and contaminate.
So saying lockdowns don’t work only applies when you do it correctly first and THEN decide if it works or not. The same goes for mask wearing and sanitizing.
I will repeat, if i have covid, and i wash my hands properly, if i touch a surface or someones face, it is impossible for me to infect them.
If i am wearing a proper mask and it blocks all particles from exiting my mouth and nose, it is impossible for me to infect others or the area i am in.
Everyone has to be on the same page.
To this day, those who have followed the protocols and guidelines strictly as myself, have been thankfully able to avoid Covid.
Humans and humans alone have the ability to stop the stop the spread through responsible and considerate actions.
drchaos wrote:
Dude ... By the time you have locked down the infected they have already spread the fuggin virus to multiple people.
It is IMPOSSIBLE to lock down to the level that is required.People need to eat, work (think of garbage men and police) for the very least.MaxPower wrote:drchaos wrote:
Dude ... By the time you have locked down the infected they have already spread the fuggin virus to multiple people.
dr,
You are still not understanding my theory.
Let me try to expand.
Lock down means everyone should be locked down. So it doesn’t matter who spreads the fuggin virus to multiple people, everyone is NOW going to be locked down. You understand now? So if i have Covid and i spread it to you, and you spread it to Raj and Harry and so forth, we are ALL going to be locked down ALL at once, NOT some, ALL, until we have ALL recovered. This is a real lockdown, not a partial.
So my question is, HOW can the virus spread to multiple people if EVERYONE is locked down until the point where they have ALL recovered?
Try to answer.
And i will say again, lockdowns can only work if it is done properly. We have NOT locked down properly so you cannot say they don’t work. Honestly we are incapable of locking down everyone.
MaxPower wrote:drchaos wrote:
Dude ... By the time you have locked down the infected they have already spread the fuggin virus to multiple people.
dr,
You are still not understanding my theory.
Let me try to expand.
Lock down means everyone should be locked down. So it doesn’t matter who spreads the fuggin virus to multiple people, everyone is NOW going to be locked down. You understand now? So if i have Covid and i spread it to you, and you spread it to Raj and Harry and so forth, we are ALL going to be locked down ALL at once, NOT some, ALL, until we have ALL recovered. This is a real lockdown, not a partial.
So my question is, HOW can the virus spread to multiple people if EVERYONE is locked down until the point where they have ALL recovered?
Try to answer.
And i will say again, lockdowns can only work if it is done properly. We have NOT locked down properly so you cannot say they don’t work. Honestly we are incapable of locking down everyone.
adnj wrote:sMASH wrote:adnj wrote:Lockdowns and nonpharmaceutical interventions reduce health system susceptibility. That also buys you time to vaccinate a significant portion of the population.
New Zealand locked down and now has more than 80% fully vaccinated, more than 50% boosted.
NZ has 10 times the reported case rate and the same death rate as Trinidad and Tobago. TTO's per capita total deaths is 15 times higher than NZ.
Low vaccine uptake leads to high hospitalizations and deaths.
imagine having 80% vax and 50% boosted and still having the same death rate as a place that only 55% vaxed with 21% of that boosted.
grate work there guys.
shoulda do like africa and stay below the world average... lowest shots, lowest boosts, lowest cases is, lowest hospitalizations, lowest death rate... both causal and incidental.
u know what africa high in? ivermectin use...
Stupid and a fuckkup. You didn't get to the last part: "TTO's per capita total deaths is 15 times higher than NZ."
Another "grate" analysis. *smh*
sMASH wrote:adnj wrote:You dont get immunity from vaccines. You get immunity from being inoculated with a vaccine (but vaccines don't work/COVID is the vaccine/everyone vaccinated will be killed in 87 years).redmanjp wrote:sMASH wrote:U dont need Vax to get immunity.adnj wrote:paid_influencer wrote:sMASH positions are always controversial at the time they are posted.... but you know what... everything sMASH has advocated has become policy whether people will admit it or not. Everything from herd immunity to vaccine mandates, all eventually converged to accept sMASH's position (and he has never done the sort of gymnastics in position that some of the more copy/pasty posters have).
I, too, am starting to come around to his position being ultimately the most common-sense one and the "scientific consensus positions" being completely malleable to the whims of the owners of capital.
Herd immunity works when the herd takes the vaccine. Trinis didn't and now rank twenty-fifth in the rate of recorded COVID deaths. Israel is 85th and New Zealand is 158th (but those numbers are inflated/deflated/not real according to you).
Pandemic vaccine mandates are not new (but no one takes school vaccines/needs to vaccinate to travel/eliminate the threat to fellow workers/vaccines don't work anyway according to you).
After three years, the pandemic will be over and you will rewrite your version of makes sense. And you'll still get it wrong.
but u need it to get immunity without the risk of death by covid. 3800+ souls eh. and many thousands more with bad health outcomes e.g. being hospitalized, most of whom will not recover for at least a year.
You don't get immunity from being infected. You get immunity by surviving the infection (but there's 98% survival rate/omicron is the flu/only four old people died today from COVID).
Free-thinkers: beating their heads into a wall until blood squirts out to prove that it doesn't hurt.
unvaxed and alive... i know that must suck to know....
but at least u posted that u can get immunity from the infection, and its NOT ONLY BY VACCINES.
cause if u needed the vax to get immunity the columbus and the native americans story might go a lil differently .
gastly369 wrote:Sure somebody on 2nr know the amt of kids atm in point hospital...
Yep testing out the oxygen tanks etc... Sweetpaid_influencer wrote:gastly369 wrote:Sure somebody on 2nr know the amt of kids atm in point hospital...
probably on a field trip
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