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Re: Coronavirus - COVID-19 - 13802 cases, 224 deaths, 4078 active, 9500 recovered in T&T

Postby Redress10 » May 12th, 2021, 8:57 pm

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MaxPower wrote:
wtf wrote:Long story short when will things get better.


When Trinis start taking things seriously.

Full Stop.


Does anyone know if the majority of persons getting ill are those who breached the covid regulations?

I just wonder is it that persons were careless and went for a small lime, who didn't wear their mask properly? Or is it a case where these people were obeying rules and still picked it up.
Nope. It's persons in the workplace spreading it to their coworkers.


How do we know this is true?

Is spread in offices common? Where I work, we're currently on rotation, and there's no policy stating we have to wear masks unless we're interacting with a customer. The rotation is so that we can all sit more than 6ft apart, so no need for mask-wearing.


Masks serve two purposes. They lower the amount of virus someone expels from their body when they cough and sneeze etc. Also they decrease the ability for the other person to inhale what the person expelled. Used by both parties they create a very effective barrier to prevent transmission.

Even if you are infected whilst wearing a mask, chances are you may suffer less effects due to coming into contact with less of the virus.

So rotation or no rotation you all should be wearing masks once you all are around each other.

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Postby Numb3r4 » May 12th, 2021, 9:07 pm

In light of the US sending those field hospital tents, why didn't our folks do that here in the earlies at our stadia?

Why did we opt for contact tracing instead of mass testing?

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Postby redmanjp » May 12th, 2021, 9:15 pm

Numb3r4 wrote:In light of the US sending those field hospital tents, why didn't our folks do that here in the earlies at our stadia?

Why did we opt for contact tracing instead of mass testing?


i think each test cost like $1000+ so just doing mass testing would be too expensive. if u test the whole population that's a billion dollars! and that only tells u who were infected AT THE TIME they got tested.

u could test negative today and get infected tomorrow. so how often should we mass test? what they should do is do testing of all primary, secondary, tertiary contacts of +ve cases. so u 'mass test' around +ve cases.

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Postby De Dragon » May 12th, 2021, 9:29 pm

pugboy wrote:most likely surplus as usa pulling out of afghanistan so loads of extra stuff
their afghan bases are basically cities

Nope, what isn't valuable or easily carried is being destroyed, tents included.

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Postby MaxPower » May 12th, 2021, 9:49 pm

Penguin wrote:Does anyone know if the majority of persons getting ill are those who breached the covid regulations?

I just wonder is it that persons were careless and went for a small lime, who didn't wear their mask properly? Or is it a case where these people were obeying rules and still picked it up.


Hello Penguin,

Hard to tell where the majority are coming from bro.

We have had many repatriation flights and having a negative PCR can be erroneous in many instances. How many times have we heard people testing both positive and negative?

The fact is, many Trinis have returned from abroad and have breeched quarantine because they assume their PCR results are correct.....and yet, they mingle and act irresponsibly in all the areas that we see and hear about on social media.

What’s also frightening is when these delinquent Trinis eventually end up testing positive, they LIE and say they never breeched quarantine and many contacts are not included in the trace list. They would also never admit that they attended a zesser party or a bar lime after hours.

These are the same jackasses going home to their loved ones, who are innocent in most cases, only to spread their germs.

Imagine that na....you go out there and take each and every precaution, and all it takes is one jackass to make your OWN home the one place you get infected.

Remember we can obey they rules on the outside, but what happens when we go home?

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Postby adnj » May 12th, 2021, 10:07 pm

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Trinidad is projected to have the same number of cumulative reported Covid-19 deaths as Guyana by August 1st at 71 deaths per 100k persons. That will be twice the rate of India at that time. Jamaica will be less than India with Barbados below Jamaica.

Brazil is projected to have a cumulative rate of 248 deaths per 100k person by August 1st.

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Postby Gem_in_i » May 12th, 2021, 10:13 pm

Certain companies sending out essentials letter. They know something we dont?

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Postby Rajeevr84 » May 12th, 2021, 10:54 pm

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Habit7 wrote:WhatsApp Image 2021-05-12 at 21.11.49.jpeg
Trinidad is projected to have the same number of cumulative reported Covid-19 deaths as Guyana by August 1st at 71 deaths per 100k persons. That will be twice the rate of India at that time. Jamaica will be less than India with Barbados below Jamaica.

Brazil is projected to have a cumulative rate of 248 deaths per 100k person by August 1st.

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I've been reviewing that site's predictions for some time and it's fairly accurate for most places. I tried making my own models, but covid-19 behaves so differently from country to country so it's been quite futile.

The caveat with their models is that it's built on data from countries that were doing a lot more testing than us. How this represents itself in the T&T model is hard to say as they'll need to work in some guesstimates as to how many cases we're actually detecting.

So while I have confidence they're doing it well, I'd still say their predictions might be overly pessimistic for T&T.

HOWEVER, this new Brazilain P1 strains plays by different rules, and as such, those predictions can very well take place here.

Hungary is leading the world in covid-19 deaths and they have had almost 3000 deaths PM. That would be the equivalent to T&T having 4200 covid-19 deaths. :shock: :shock: :shock:

In conclusion, be prepared for a few rough few months.

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Also, I just wanted to correct some misinformation being shared around. We aren't number one in Covid death rate today (or yesterday) or in the rolling 7 day average.

Our correct ranking today, with 11 deaths, is number 12 in the world. Still extremely high and 18 deaths would be the figure to bring us to number 1 :(

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Postby Dohplaydat » May 12th, 2021, 11:30 pm

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Habit what is the point of this post? To downplay the situation?

Deaths always lag cases, and we have been having record-breaking case numbers over the last week.......those deaths will soon pile up sadly.

adnj and company already saying we're probably projected to be the worse in the Caribbean.

Also, we're likely to be the last ones to be vaccinated and reach herd immunity. Also, we paying 3-4x as much for a vaccine that doesn't seem to be as nearly as effective as the other WHO-approved vaccines.

It seems like our intention all along was to buy the Chinese vaccine, hence why there was no urgency from the government.

We know your party in bed with the Chinese, I just hope this works out for us because Sinopharm despite WHO approval seems to have a lot of questions around it.

Even China is admitting the vaccine isn't as effective - https://www.ft.com/content/c54b02d6-00a ... X8m3lLNkA0

China considers mixing vaccines to bolster efficacy
Disease control centre makes first public admission over effectiveness of domestic jabs

The Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention has raised the prospect of mixing vaccines and varying doses to boost efficacy, the first time a government body has acknowledged concerns over the effectiveness of homegrown jabs.

Gao Fu, CDC head, told a conference on Saturday that the agency was “considering how to solve the problem that the efficacy of existing vaccines is not high”, according to local media. Gao proposed mixing different vaccines as well as amending the sequence of doses, such as changing the number and quantity of doses, and the interval between them.


Any new strategy will have ramifications for the more than 20 countries that China said it was supplying in mostly bilateral “vaccine diplomacy” deals.

As of March, China had supplied 40m doses to countries across the globe, including Brazil, Serbia and the United Arab Emirates, prompting the US and its allies to launch their own drive to supply 1bn doses of Johnson & Johnson’s Covid-19 vaccine to south-east Asian nations.

Chile, which has relied on China’s Sinovac vaccine for its inoculation campaign, is in the midst of another Covid-19 wave from new variants. The country has administered 62 doses per 100 residents, according to the Financial Times vaccine tracker, the third-highest rate in the world.

A recent study of the effectiveness of Chile’s vaccination programme found the efficacy of a single dose of the Sinovac jab was just 3 per cent, compared with 56 per cent with two shots. However, local health experts have not linked the latest wave to the vaccine’s efficacy rate.

Social-media posts on Gao’s remarks were swiftly censored, according to Yanzhong Huang, a senior fellow for global health at the Council on Foreign Relations.

“It is the first time . . . a government official publicly admitted that the protection rate is a concern in the vaccination drive,” Huang added. China had administered 65m doses across the country by the middle of March.

Unlike other vaccine producers, China’s manufacturers have not published their phase 3 trial data, leading to accusations of a lack of transparency over the vaccine’s effectiveness on different groups.

For now, the main jabs approved for use in China are the traditional “inactivated virus” vaccines produced by Sinopharm, Sinovac and other domestic groups.

Sinopharm claims a 79 per cent efficacy rate, similar to those achieved by AstraZeneca in its US trials. However, while AstraZeneca revised down its rates after facing criticism for releasing incomplete data, neither Sinopharm nor any of its Chinese peers have released phase 3 data for public scrutiny.

Peter English, a retired communicable disease control consultant at Public Health England, said it was “astonishing” that phase 3 trial data for the Chinese vaccines had not yet been published.

“We have little information on how effective these vaccines are,” he said, adding efficacy data against variants of concern was needed. Still, English said it was “interesting” that China was considering mixing and matching vaccines after moves from France and Germany to do so following safety concerns about the Oxford/AstraZeneca shot.

Sinovac Biotech’s CoronaVac vaccine has an overall efficacy rate of 51 per cent among people aged between 18 and 60, according to documents published by a Hong Kong panel of experts.

However, CoronaVac phase 1 and 2 data published in The Lancet found the shots were “safe and well tolerated”.

Gao also warned that reopening China’s borders to foreigners, who have been barred from entering the country since March last year, posed a risk to elderly people, who have not yet been vaccinated.

The timing of relaxing border restrictions will affect attendees at Beijing’s Winter Olympic Games in February 2022.


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Postby De Dragon » May 12th, 2021, 11:42 pm

adnj wrote:
Habit7 wrote:WhatsApp Image 2021-05-12 at 21.11.49.jpeg
Trinidad is projected to have the same number of cumulative reported Covid-19 deaths as Guyana by August 1st at 71 deaths per 100k persons. That will be twice the rate of India at that time. Jamaica will be less than India with Barbados below Jamaica.

Brazil is projected to have a cumulative rate of 248 deaths per 100k person by August 1st.

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Frightening for such a small country, and directly tied to our behaviour, but certainly not helped by our absolute mangling of the vaccine availability, poor leadership examples and limited healthcare system.
I wonder if Pornsie will repost he " at least we doing better than Barbados/Guyana" graph then :roll:

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Postby ST Auto » May 13th, 2021, 6:16 am

Essential letters out since monday
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Postby shake d livin wake d dead » May 13th, 2021, 6:32 am

Plenty new tuners jumping out in this thread oui...

Anyways up in the east, nurses etc who are on vaca are being called out to work. Well we see why! There were deaths at SGGH due to c19. These people didnt even make it into the parralel health system. Yall noticed how they magically stopped posting the number of people with the P1 right.

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Postby bluefete » May 13th, 2021, 6:42 am

shake d livin wake d dead wrote:Plenty new tuners jumping out in this thread oui...

Anyways up in the east, nurses etc who are on vaca are being called out to work. Well we see why! There were deaths at SGGH due to c19. These people didnt even make it into the parralel health system. Yall noticed how they magically stopped posting the number of people with the P1 right.

I'll be back lil later


Correct. And P! seems to be the major cause of death right now.

SoE or Curfew should have been done this week. What is the government waiting on? We are our own worst enemies.

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Postby De Dragon » May 13th, 2021, 6:57 am

ST Auto wrote:Essential letters out since monday
Gem_in_i wrote:Certain companies sending out essentials letter. They know something we dont?

I got mine Sunday, but I think many companies are just being proactive.

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Postby Habit7 » May 13th, 2021, 7:34 am

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Habit what is the point of this post? To downplay the situation?

Deaths always lag cases, and we have been having record-breaking case numbers over the last week.......those deaths will soon pile up sadly.

adnj and company already saying we're probably projected to be the worse in the Caribbean.

Also, we're likely to be the last ones to be vaccinated and reach herd immunity. Also, we paying 3-4x as much for a vaccine that doesn't seem to be as nearly as effective as the other WHO-approved vaccines.

It seems like our intention all along was to buy the Chinese vaccine, hence why there was no urgency from the government.

We know your party in bed with the Chinese, I just hope this works out for us because Sinopharm despite WHO approval seems to have a lot of questions around it.

Even China is admitting the vaccine isn't as effective - https://www.ft.com/content/c54b02d6-00a ... X8m3lLNkA0

China considers mixing vaccines to bolster efficacy
Disease control centre makes first public admission over effectiveness of domestic jabs

The Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention has raised the prospect of mixing vaccines and varying doses to boost efficacy, the first time a government body has acknowledged concerns over the effectiveness of homegrown jabs.

Gao Fu, CDC head, told a conference on Saturday that the agency was “considering how to solve the problem that the efficacy of existing vaccines is not high”, according to local media. Gao proposed mixing different vaccines as well as amending the sequence of doses, such as changing the number and quantity of doses, and the interval between them.


Any new strategy will have ramifications for the more than 20 countries that China said it was supplying in mostly bilateral “vaccine diplomacy” deals.

As of March, China had supplied 40m doses to countries across the globe, including Brazil, Serbia and the United Arab Emirates, prompting the US and its allies to launch their own drive to supply 1bn doses of Johnson & Johnson’s Covid-19 vaccine to south-east Asian nations.

Chile, which has relied on China’s Sinovac vaccine for its inoculation campaign, is in the midst of another Covid-19 wave from new variants. The country has administered 62 doses per 100 residents, according to the Financial Times vaccine tracker, the third-highest rate in the world.

A recent study of the effectiveness of Chile’s vaccination programme found the efficacy of a single dose of the Sinovac jab was just 3 per cent, compared with 56 per cent with two shots. However, local health experts have not linked the latest wave to the vaccine’s efficacy rate.

Social-media posts on Gao’s remarks were swiftly censored, according to Yanzhong Huang, a senior fellow for global health at the Council on Foreign Relations.

“It is the first time . . . a government official publicly admitted that the protection rate is a concern in the vaccination drive,” Huang added. China had administered 65m doses across the country by the middle of March.

Unlike other vaccine producers, China’s manufacturers have not published their phase 3 trial data, leading to accusations of a lack of transparency over the vaccine’s effectiveness on different groups.

For now, the main jabs approved for use in China are the traditional “inactivated virus” vaccines produced by Sinopharm, Sinovac and other domestic groups.

Sinopharm claims a 79 per cent efficacy rate, similar to those achieved by AstraZeneca in its US trials. However, while AstraZeneca revised down its rates after facing criticism for releasing incomplete data, neither Sinopharm nor any of its Chinese peers have released phase 3 data for public scrutiny.

Peter English, a retired communicable disease control consultant at Public Health England, said it was “astonishing” that phase 3 trial data for the Chinese vaccines had not yet been published.

“We have little information on how effective these vaccines are,” he said, adding efficacy data against variants of concern was needed. Still, English said it was “interesting” that China was considering mixing and matching vaccines after moves from France and Germany to do so following safety concerns about the Oxford/AstraZeneca shot.

Sinovac Biotech’s CoronaVac vaccine has an overall efficacy rate of 51 per cent among people aged between 18 and 60, according to documents published by a Hong Kong panel of experts.

However, CoronaVac phase 1 and 2 data published in The Lancet found the shots were “safe and well tolerated”.

Gao also warned that reopening China’s borders to foreigners, who have been barred from entering the country since March last year, posed a risk to elderly people, who have not yet been vaccinated.

The timing of relaxing border restrictions will affect attendees at Beijing’s Winter Olympic Games in February 2022.


I posted the current death per million in comparison to similar Caricom countries without comment. It looks very similar to the current cases per million.

If the current facts upset you, that is your problem. Projections are not accurate, I will not make distant prognostications over algorithms while not acknowledging there can be major changes affecting this.

Furthermore, TT is behind other Caricom countries because they are relying on and using the same Chinese vaccine you want to scorn, along with the Russian one too. If you know of any Caricom country that have been able to procure Pfizer, Moderna, J&J or AZ please tell me. But to act like we have a choice to do otherwise is a pipe dream.

Finally, vaccine policy is not based on one Chinese man. It is observed by impartial ppl then peer reviewed. If one Chinese man thinks all Chinese vaccines have low efficacy good for him. But Sinopharm meets the threshold for WHO EUL approval and those are the facts.

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Postby sMASH » May 13th, 2021, 7:55 am

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shake d livin wake d dead wrote:Plenty new tuners jumping out in this thread oui...

Anyways up in the east, nurses etc who are on vaca are being called out to work. Well we see why! There were deaths at SGGH due to c19. These people didnt even make it into the parralel health system. Yall noticed how they magically stopped posting the number of people with the P1 right.

I'll be back lil later


Correct. And P! seems to be the major cause of death right now.

SoE or Curfew should have been done this week. What is the government waiting on? We are our own worst enemies.

that is with testing, or just assumption cuase its here and the numbers up?
in india, they tested and verified the new strains, and verified they got double variants where the new strains merged, and then verified they have triple variants where even more strains merged.

i would like if they oculd give out a stat showing how much of what strain is causing this uptick.
they supposed to be testing for that, by now.

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Postby widdyphuck » May 13th, 2021, 9:10 am

Morgue in South full with dead COVID-19 bodies. Can't take anymore.

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Postby aaron17 » May 13th, 2021, 9:18 am

Curfew...just like last year:

- decreased time during day hours ( may cause crowding and rush in groceries)

- police can stop you unless you have an essential letter for work.

- you would have to go to the grocery in your area only.( police can question you and send you back)

- work time may decrease too /half day etc.


Anything more to add?

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Postby adnj » May 13th, 2021, 9:38 am

aaron17 wrote:Curfew...just like last year:

- decreased time during day hours ( may cause crowding and rush in groceries)

- police can stop you unless you have an essential letter for work.

- you would have to go to the grocery in your area only.( police can question you and send you back)

- work time may decrease too /half day etc.


Anything more to add?
Efficacy of government actions during Covid-19 pandemic (decreasing)

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Postby pugboy » May 13th, 2021, 10:21 am

as I said before, a curfew will never happen with rowlee's pride.

curfew will require soe which he will never do as an soe is associated with the peoples partnership govt.
and kamla will go to town with that.

pride is costing us a lot, already cost us vaccines

notice any time rowlee start a sentence with "I am not prepared to do...."
that is his pride kicking in

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Postby MaxPower » May 13th, 2021, 10:36 am

pugboy wrote:notice any time rowlee start a sentence with "I am not prepared to do...."
that is his pride kicking in

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Postby goalpost » May 13th, 2021, 10:37 am

Well then, lock we down

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Postby sMASH » May 13th, 2021, 10:49 am

every ting lining up for curfew/soft SOE. i thinking week end gone was the pinacle, but it persisting.

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Postby Dizzy28 » May 13th, 2021, 11:01 am

I would hope they didn't full the morgue with living bodies!!
wtf wrote:Morgue in South full with dead COVID-19 bodies. Can't take anymore.

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Postby sMASH » May 13th, 2021, 11:02 am

we flew in an expert to set up the tent city....
tents.... experts.... was flown in.

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Postby widdyphuck » May 13th, 2021, 11:09 am

Dizzy28 wrote:I would hope they didn't full the morgue with living bodies!!
wtf wrote:Morgue in South full with dead COVID-19 bodies. Can't take anymore.
You are sure right. That would be a problem and anything is possible in Trinidad.

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