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Postby De Dragon » October 21st, 2021, 9:12 pm

Redman wrote:That's one interpretation which means constitution is mandating that the Prez send along a document that is known to be invalid.

The Prez should send the grocery list.
Then be villified for sending crap instead of the common sense approach to act on the correct doc.

The owner of the doc notifies the Prez that the list is no longer valid, or was the Xmas list.
ie the list is no longer empowered by the body that gives it the power
Therefore the Prez does not have THE doc that the Prez has to act on.

So the Prez:
A) SHALL do sheit.
B) Wait for THE doc.

SHALL means there is nothing to interpret. Fat Fairy has NO discretion. IF information came to her at the last minute casting doubt on the list, the avenue for that is the TTPS/Parliament.
Also stop being dotish and facetious like Vasant and talking abut grocery/tea room lists :roll:

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Postby widdyphuck » October 21st, 2021, 9:17 pm

Chandler had a gun but no FUL.
That's a serious charge.

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Postby pugboy » October 21st, 2021, 9:21 pm

Maybe he has a picture of his almost signed off ful book that somebody from inside the depot send him to let him know to
“hold on” and not panic but be assured his ful soon come like the rest of ppl who paid fees and getting nervous and asking what next.

Apparently gun shops accepting that half approved pic of a ful book as valid enough to pay down on a pipe.

wtf wrote:Chandler had a gun but no FUL.
That's a serious charge.

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Postby De Dragon » October 21st, 2021, 9:23 pm

wtf wrote:Chandler had a gun but no FUL.
That's a serious charge.

All he hadda say iz Arse Wari iz he fadda..............

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Postby 16 cycles » October 22nd, 2021, 5:40 am

pugboy wrote:Maybe he has a picture of his almost signed off ful book that somebody from inside the depot send him to let him know to
“hold on” and not panic but be assured his ful soon come like the rest of ppl who paid fees and getting nervous and asking what next.

Apparently gun shops accepting that half approved pic of a ful book as valid enough to pay down on a pipe.

wtf wrote:Chandler had a gun but no FUL.
That's a serious charge.


Is there a Firearm Appeals Board?
What's the status of the Bureau currently?

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Postby Redman » October 22nd, 2021, 10:45 am

De Dragon wrote:
wtf wrote:Chandler had a gun but no FUL.
That's a serious charge.

All he hadda say iz Arse Wari iz he fadda..............


:D :D :D

Under protest :D :D

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Postby Wraith King » October 22nd, 2021, 11:11 am

sMASH wrote:Vassant is one chump. FB_IMG_1634768886029.jpg


Is he a member of the PNM because that's some PNM logic and level of intelligence.

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Postby Wraith King » October 22nd, 2021, 11:19 am

Redress10 wrote:
Redman wrote:That's one interpretation which means constitution is mandating that the Prez send along a document that is known to be invalid.

The Prez should send the grocery list.
Then be villified for sending crap instead of the common sense approach to act on the correct doc.

The owner of the doc notifies the Prez that the list is no longer valid, or was the Xmas list.
ie the list is no longer empowered by the body that gives it the power
Therefore the Prez does not have THE doc that the Prez has to act on.

So the Prez:
A) SHALL do sheit.
B) Wait for THE doc.


This is my interpretation as well.


*PNM supporters do or say something stupid*

*Gets called stupid*

*PNM supporters upset they are labelled as stupid and wants to physically hurt others or claim racial discrimination when shown why they are stupid*

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Postby Gladiator » October 22nd, 2021, 1:28 pm

Redman wrote:That's one interpretation which means constitution is mandating that the Prez send along a document that is known to be invalid.

The Prez should send the grocery list.
Then be villified for sending crap instead of the common sense approach to act on the correct doc.

The owner of the doc notifies the Prez that the list is no longer valid, or was the Xmas list.
ie the list is no longer empowered by the body that gives it the power
Therefore the Prez does not have THE doc that the Prez has to act on.

So the Prez:
A) SHALL do sheit.
B) Wait for THE doc.


You write that as though you were a fly on the wall and know for a fact...

How is most likely went...
President gets list
She calls Rowley to meeting to discuss
Rowley goes and meets with her and objects to list
She sends back list to PSc
Rowley tells Hinds to make announcement in Parliament
Sheit hits the fan...

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Postby Redman » October 22nd, 2021, 1:45 pm

Gladiator wrote:
Redman wrote:That's one interpretation which means constitution is mandating that the Prez send along a document that is known to be invalid.

The Prez should send the grocery list.
Then be villified for sending crap instead of the common sense approach to act on the correct doc.

The owner of the doc notifies the Prez that the list is no longer valid, or was the Xmas list.
ie the list is no longer empowered by the body that gives it the power
Therefore the Prez does not have THE doc that the Prez has to act on.

So the Prez:
A) SHALL do sheit.
B) Wait for THE doc.


You write that as though you were a fly on the wall and know for a fact...

How is most likely went...
President gets list
She calls Rowley to meeting to discuss
Rowley goes and meets with her and objects to list
She sends back list to PSc
Rowley tells Hinds to make announcement in Parliament
Sheit hits the fan...


Well actually it was just a hypothetical referring to the problem that the Prez has if someone sends the wrong list ...and not the PSC per se.


But youre saying that Rowley didnt like the people or a person on the list so he went down to Prez house- signs in,commits massive infraction by interfering with the list.....

Maybe

but doesnt it seem an awful lot of risk to take if he and the rest of his majority could just vote against any or all the people on the list.

And stay within the law.


your way sounds more juicy tho

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Postby rollingstock » October 22nd, 2021, 3:10 pm

Why would the pm try to stop a list that and he has veto power?
Tell yourself is the issue really Gary alone, or was it that the entity that prepared this list was compromised and therein lies the greater issue.

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Postby rollingstock » October 22nd, 2021, 3:14 pm

Anyway hold on for more tidbits about some of you all hero.

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Postby Phone Surgeon » October 22nd, 2021, 4:04 pm

Andy yuh cudda go up for COP

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Postby eliteauto » October 22nd, 2021, 4:15 pm

He for COP long time

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Postby hover11 » October 22nd, 2021, 6:24 pm

OVER 90 WEAPONS, AMMUNITION REMOVED FROM OFFICIAL TOP COP’s RESIDENCE

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More than 90 weapons and an undisclosed number of rounds of ammunition said to be well in excess of 1,000, have been removed from the official residence of the Commissioner of Police in St James.

Guardian Media has been told that the weapons, including several rifles, were kept there to be used by the security detail charged with protecting former commissioner Gary Griffith. We were told that the detail included over three dozen personnel.

The weapons and ammunition are part of the Police Service’s assets.

With Griffith no longer serving as Commissioner and with no one occupying the official residence, police went to the official residence and removed the weapons and ammunition, which have been taken to a secure location.

Police say there was nothing untoward regarding the weapons and ammunition being there or with the removal.

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Postby Gladiator » October 22nd, 2021, 6:43 pm

Redman wrote:
Gladiator wrote:
Redman wrote:That's one interpretation which means constitution is mandating that the Prez send along a document that is known to be invalid.

The Prez should send the grocery list.
Then be villified for sending crap instead of the common sense approach to act on the correct doc.

The owner of the doc notifies the Prez that the list is no longer valid, or was the Xmas list.
ie the list is no longer empowered by the body that gives it the power
Therefore the Prez does not have THE doc that the Prez has to act on.

So the Prez:
A) SHALL do sheit.
B) Wait for THE doc.


You write that as though you were a fly on the wall and know for a fact...

How is most likely went...
President gets list
She calls Rowley to meeting to discuss
Rowley goes and meets with her and objects to list
She sends back list to PSc
Rowley tells Hinds to make announcement in Parliament
Sheit hits the fan...


Well actually it was just a hypothetical referring to the problem that the Prez has if someone sends the wrong list ...and not the PSC per se.


But youre saying that Rowley didnt like the people or a person on the list so he went down to Prez house- signs in,commits massive infraction by interfering with the list.....

Maybe

but doesnt it seem an awful lot of risk to take if he and the rest of his majority could just vote against any or all the people on the list.

And stay within the law.


your way sounds more juicy tho
They thought they would never get caught...but it's Trinidad and somebody leak the story.

In the end the public was made aware of a possible corruption of the process. Wouldn't it have been easy for Rowley to just speak the truth and if there are questions just answer them honestly.

But no...their actions were those of a guilty party. Lies, political platforms, grand charge and bullying tactics, intimidation and straight up political nonesense.

Believe what you may... But the stain is there and it will be very hard to remove.

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Postby eliteauto » October 22nd, 2021, 9:58 pm


Chandler officially charged with five offences
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T&T Police Service (TTPS) Legal Unit Head Christian Chandler was tonight slapped with five criminal charges arising out of an incident aboard a yacht on August 5.

Guardian Media understands that detectives of the Professional Standards Bureau (PSB) began charging Chandler, who was detained at the Maloney Police Station since Wednesday evening, shortly after 8 pm yesterday. Chandler was charged under section 3(1)(c) of the Emergency Powers (No 2) Regulations of 2021, which currently makes it an offence to be found at any beach, sea, river, stream, pond, spring or similar body of water for recreational purposes.

The maximum penalty for a breach of the regulations is a $250,000 fine and six months in prison. He is also accused twice under section 206 of the Defence Force Act of wilfully obstructing members of the T&T Coast Guard.

That charge carries a $750 fine and up to three months in prison on summary conviction. Two more charges for possession of a firearm without a Firearm User’s Licence (FUL) were also said to be laid.

Guardian Media understands that once the charges were laid, Chandler’s lawyers Wayne Sturge and Alexia Romero were expected to attempt to get bail from a Justice of the Peace, so that he can be released from detention pending a court hearing to answer the charges.

According to reports, Chandler was among 14 people detained aboard a pleasure craft off the coast of Chaguaramas and escorted to Staubles Bay by Coast Guard officers on August 5. The T&T Coast Guard said it had received information that a pleasure craft allegedly had more than five people aboard, contrary to the public health regulations.

On August 16, Chandler proceeded on leave pending the outcome of the investigation.Guardian Media understands that three Special Reserve Police (SRPs) were also arrested in relation to the case on Wednesday and were expected to be charged for a similar breach of the regulations and for obstructing the Coast Guard personnel.

Guardian Media understands that Chandler was interviewed by PSB detectives on Thursday and was placed on an identification parade, yesterday afternoon. Chandler’s lawyers initially threatened legal action as they questioned why the investigation was not completed before their client’s arrest.

They also accused investigators of denying him food from his family and attempting to have him implicate himself while being interrogated. In a response to Chandler’s lawyers, TTPS legal officer Tsonda Gayle called upon them to hold their hands on filing a habeas corpus over their client’s detention and suggested that 48 hours detention without charge was reasonable.

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Postby De Dragon » October 24th, 2021, 1:41 pm

rollingstock wrote:Why would the pm try to stop a list that and he has veto power?
Tell yourself is the issue really Gary alone, or was it that the entity that prepared this list was compromised and therein lies the greater issue.

Veto power solely from the PM was removed a while ago, but he does technically have it by instructing his mindless LFD RFD PNM Cabinet to vote nay. This is why the alleged personal appearance is odd either he didn't fell it would get known publicly, didn't care, or was just too dotish to realize it.

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Postby daring dragoon » October 24th, 2021, 2:23 pm

D way pm talk an d express publish contracts given out by gary he days as cop done.
Who ever get d wuk will be labled as a pnm puppet an never get the respect. No choice but to reappont gary but jacob write d cheques.

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Postby De Dragon » October 24th, 2021, 3:01 pm

daring dragoon wrote:D way pm talk an d express publish contracts given out by gary he days as cop done.
Who ever get d wuk will be labled as a pnm puppet an never get the respect. No choice but to reappont gary but jacob write d cheques.

Yes , but those contracts have to be signed off by the line Minister when they are "not a standardized one" which sounds like eat ah food.

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Postby hover11 » October 24th, 2021, 3:06 pm

De Dragon wrote:
daring dragoon wrote:D way pm talk an d express publish contracts given out by gary he days as cop done.
Who ever get d wuk will be labled as a pnm puppet an never get the respect. No choice but to reappont gary but jacob write d cheques.

Yes , but those contracts have to be signed off by the line Minister when they are "not a standardized one" which sounds like eat ah food.
How quickly ppl forget this, Gary is not the one who hires or fires at the end of the day it is the minister of national security who would have to approve such as this would mean budgetary allocations for such contracts

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Postby eliteauto » October 24th, 2021, 3:09 pm

The article: https://trinidadexpress.com/news/local/ ... ium=social
Spending by the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service on contracts, fees and development programmes for the period 2016-2022 shows a significant increase during the past three years.

Contract employment in 2016 stood at $1,658,925; in 2017 it was $57,330,076; 2018 saw a dip by $3 million to $54,106,522.

In 2019, contract employment rose by $10 million to $63,248,063.

In 2020, there was another $10 million increase (2020-$73,571,120) and revised estimates for 2021 are $88,804,000.

While Section 22 (3) of the Police Service Act allows for the Commissioner of Police to engage people on contract, there is no absolute power, a framework or parameters guiding the use of such authority.


Offer letters expressly stated there will be no gratuity upon the conclusion of the contract.

This clause is not normal for contract employees and essentially means that the Chief Personnel Officer (CPO) and Comptroller of Accounts will at no point be involved in the process to offer any oversight.

The Sunday Express has found that within ministries, the line minister approves the minute for employment of persons on contract, following a transparent selection process which includes advertising the position. However, the terms and conditions are determined by the CPO and later agreed upon by the minister when the post is not a standardised one.

In the public sector, the CPO is the authority that determines terms and conditions of contract and ­other employees.

This allows for consistency and oversight in wage structures.

Following are several positions created over the last three years in the TTPS:

1. The person appointed a senior executive manager served in the Defence Force alongside Gary Griffith.

The portfolio puts him on the same level as Deputy Commissioner of Police.

Initially COP Minute #57 dated 29.08.18 stated the person was granted a two-year contract with effect from 03/09/18 to 02/09/20.

At the time he received a monthly salary of $25,000; duty allowance $2,100 and transport allowance $1,900.

But a copy of the signed contract showed his position being effective from December 7, 2018.

Despite the initial contract still in effect, on September 3, 2019, the salary was increased to $36,000.

The initial contract, though still effective, saw this person receiving another contract, this time for one year effective October 1, 2019, to September 2, 2020.


Apart from the pumped-up salary, he received increases in travelling ($2,500) and was given a $2,000 special allowance.

His duty allowance remained at $2,100.

On September 3, 2020, a two-year contract was approved for him.

2. This position was a senior one in the legal department.

By COP Minute #125, dated 31/12/18, the official received a two-year contract with effect from “01/02/19-31/01/21” to the post.

Also stipulated at the time was a salary of $25,000 and travelling allowance of $2,500.

By contract dated February 19, 2020, the position was terminated and another created with a bigger salary and allowances.

The two-year contract is from February 27, 2020, to February 26, 2022.

The official’s monthly remuneration rose to: salary $29,500; transport $2,500; duty allowance $2,000; special allowance $5,000 and professional $3,000.

3. This position of a strategic and technical consultant.

The initial portfolio was that of strategic adviser to Gary Griffith, and the consultant was being paid a monthly salary of $29,500 plus out-of-pocket expenses.

Documents revealed from September 18, 2018, the consultant was given a six-month contract.

His second term contract with a new title was for three months, effective March 18, 2019.

However, his monthly salary catapulted to $39,500, plus out-of-pocket expenses.

A third renewal of the contract was effective from July 29, 2019, for three months, with the same salary and out-of-pocket expense.

The fourth renewal was effective April 3, 2020, for one year, but despite the official retaining his position and remuneration structure, a fifth unsigned contract effective March 31, 2021, for six months was issued.


That contract ended last month.

4. A former analyst within the Office of the Prime Minister, this official’s academic background is in sociology and international relations, and currently holds a position in planning research and projects in the TTPS.

The position was not advertised.

The initial two-year contract became effective on November 7, 2018, with monthly remuneration at $26,100; transportation $2,100 and duty allowance $1,800.

Effective November 6, 2020, the official received a two-year contract with a jump in salary to $29,000, while both duty and transport allowances remained the same.

5. This official was given the unadvertised position of a senior manager in the Corporate Communications Unit.

His initial contract was for two years effective November 18, 2019.

His perks included a base salary of $22,000 and transport allowance of $1,500.

Midway into his initial contract, a new one was drawn, pumping his salary up to $28,000; transport $2,100 and a duty allowance of $1,500 added.

6. The position of an events co-ordinator was not advertised.

On December 1, 2020, this person was given a six-month contract with a base salary of $22,300; transport $1,500; duty $1,200 and telephone $500.

A second term one-year contract became effective on May 13, 2020, and on May 25, 2021, the official was given a two-year contract.

Responsibilities mirrored that of the other event co-ordinators with the exception of responsibility for the overall engagement of the corporate sector for the I Support Our Services Unit and for other activities involving public partnerships with non-governmental organisations, professional associations and civil society groups.


7. A radio personality holds a senior position in the Audio Visual Department.

This post was not advertised.

He was given a two-year contract, effective September 30, 2020, with an expiration date of July 29, 2022.

The base salary is $22,000 with allowances of transport and duty—$1,500 and $1,200 respectively.

8. A businessman and civilian is employed as a consultant in the Firearm and Ammunition Audit Implementation and Retraining Services department.

The initial contract was for six months from December 12, 2019.

He was then given a two-year contract, effective September 14, 2020.

His monthly base salary is $26,000.

His duties are to reorganise Police Armoury in a manner conducive to supply chain operations; manage the retraining of TTPS officers; streamline and standardise electronic records of firearms and ammunition; and prepare annual marksmanship retraining of TTPS police officers.

9. A consultant in technical firearms training and technical range management recently acquired property from Caroni Lands to establish a shooting range in Gran Couva.

His six-month contract was signed on September 1, 2021.

He receives a salary of $18,000.

According to his contract, his duties are to conduct a comprehensive audit of all civilian indoor and outdoor ranges in T&T to ensure compliance with international best practices; complete site inspection of various indoor/outdoor range facilities and makes recommendations to the Commissioner for improvements, continuation or temporary or permanent closure due to excessive safety or security concerns; recommend to the Commissioner guidelines on the criteria for firearms instructors and their continued certification process and assist in the roll-out of amended policies and procedures as directed by the Commissioner.


10. A Facebook blogger was retained and given a six-month contract, effective December 6, 2020, for consultant-media management services.

A second six-month contract effective June 18, 2021, was also issued.

The person receives a monthly salary of $20,000 and his duties are to provide timely social network reports as may be pertinent to the TTPS; observe all protocols, engage in activities that disrupt misinformation against the TTPS and the Commissioner, and replace as required through agents and intermediaries proper and accurate information so as to give the viewing public access to correct information at all times; manage and influence trending stories through its social media management.

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Postby eliteauto » October 24th, 2021, 3:14 pm

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Postby eliteauto » October 24th, 2021, 3:15 pm

The alleged unedited article as per Whatsapp screenshots:
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Postby De Dragon » October 24th, 2021, 4:23 pm

$42000 a month affords Haleland Park homes, multiple firearms and yachts?

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Postby zoom rader » October 24th, 2021, 4:39 pm

Yet still idiots will believe everything they read in red government media.

Best I read North Korean newspapers as they may be more factual than the red government media brothels publications

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Postby bluefete » October 24th, 2021, 4:59 pm

hover11 wrote:
De Dragon wrote:
daring dragoon wrote:D way pm talk an d express publish contracts given out by gary he days as cop done.
Who ever get d wuk will be labled as a pnm puppet an never get the respect. No choice but to reappont gary but jacob write d cheques.

Yes , but those contracts have to be signed off by the line Minister when they are "not a standardized one" which sounds like eat ah food.
How quickly ppl forget this, Gary is not the one who hires or fires at the end of the day it is the minister of national security who would have to approve such as this would mean budgetary allocations for such contracts


Why you coming in here to talk sense? This is an ole talk forum.

So is there a big stink from the Prime Minister to the National Security Minister to the Attorney General who must have been consulted?

Or was Gary really running a one man show as the Chief Accounting Officer of the TTPS?

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Postby bluefete » October 24th, 2021, 5:04 pm

De Dragon wrote:$42000 a month affords Haleland Park homes, multiple firearms and yachts?


De man have businesses on "de side".

Wha' you vex for?

Faris haa a mutli trillion rental business on de side.

Imbert have plenty residential rental buildings 'on de side"

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Postby zoom rader » October 24th, 2021, 5:07 pm

bluefete wrote:
hover11 wrote:
De Dragon wrote:
daring dragoon wrote:D way pm talk an d express publish contracts given out by gary he days as cop done.
Who ever get d wuk will be labled as a pnm puppet an never get the respect. No choice but to reappont gary but jacob write d cheques.

Yes , but those contracts have to be signed off by the line Minister when they are "not a standardized one" which sounds like eat ah food.
How quickly ppl forget this, Gary is not the one who hires or fires at the end of the day it is the minister of national security who would have to approve such as this would mean budgetary allocations for such contracts


Why you coming in here to talk sense? This is an ole talk forum.

So is there a big stink from the Prime Minister to the National Security Minister to the Attorney General who must have been consulted?

Or was Gary really running a one man show as the Chief Accounting Officer of the TTPS?
The red trini public would rather believe FB and the red government media brothels

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Re: "Official" GARY GRIFFITH & POLICE related matters thread ...

Postby De Dragon » October 24th, 2021, 6:05 pm

bluefete wrote:
De Dragon wrote:$42000 a month affords Haleland Park homes, multiple firearms and yachts?


De man have businesses on "de side".

Wha' you vex for?

Faris haa a mutli trillion rental business on de side.

Imbert have plenty residential rental buildings 'on de side"

Sarcasm seems to be an alien concept these days :roll:

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