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Redress10 wrote:Wraith King wrote:Redress10 wrote:Trinidad problem is one of productivity. People simply are not interested in being productive citizens. Just look at how many holidays they always looking forward to. In other countries a holiday is equal to a loss in earnings.
Trinis are too subsidised that they taking things for granted. Remove subsidies and let them pay the real price for things.
Who do you think pay for subsidies?
You are not supposed to be "subsidised". Subsidies are there to "help" the poor. That is why the "rich" is taxed. It's like a balancing scale. You are supposed to be subsidised technically until you get on your feet and are able to contribute to the country. We have been subsidised to the sums of billions for generations.
Subsidies create "fake" consumption. Because things such as school and healthcare are subsidised ppl spend their money on non productive things. It could be fete tickets, car rims etc. Essentially if their lives weren't subsidised then they would have to spend their money on necessities.
There is also the opportunity costs of paying for subsidies. This money could have been better used to increase the Heritage and Stabilisation fund, diversification or improve infrastructure etc
Wraith King wrote:Redress10 wrote:Wraith King wrote:Redress10 wrote:Trinidad problem is one of productivity. People simply are not interested in being productive citizens. Just look at how many holidays they always looking forward to. In other countries a holiday is equal to a loss in earnings.
Trinis are too subsidised that they taking things for granted. Remove subsidies and let them pay the real price for things.
Who do you think pay for subsidies?
You are not supposed to be "subsidised". Subsidies are there to "help" the poor. That is why the "rich" is taxed. It's like a balancing scale. You are supposed to be subsidised technically until you get on your feet and are able to contribute to the country. We have been subsidised to the sums of billions for generations.
Subsidies create "fake" consumption. Because things such as school and healthcare are subsidised ppl spend their money on non productive things. It could be fete tickets, car rims etc. Essentially if their lives weren't subsidised then they would have to spend their money on necessities.
There is also the opportunity costs of paying for subsidies. This money could have been better used to increase the Heritage and Stabilisation fund, diversification or improve infrastructure etc
All income earned by any state belong to the citizens. If the government was directly distributing all income earned from the natural resources of Trinidad and Tobago then there is a case for having no subsidies. However, that distribution does not take place in reality so what is the issue with citizens benefiting from subsidies which are paid for with money that belongs to them?
FrankChag wrote:SuperiorMan wrote:FrankChag wrote:The States specifically is slavery.
Other places (uk/canada/germany/scandanavia), not so bad.
Imagine trying to get 21 day's off in the States.
I believe maternity leave is unpaid (tbc)
And... Countries topping number of paid public holidays:
Cambodia=29
Sri Lanka=26
India=21
Colombia, the Philippines, Trinidad and Tobago=18!
USA... 10.
https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/count ... 52891.html
Frank,
You cannot lump all jobs into one and say they all try to get 21 days off. Let's be realistic now. Some jobs are better than others. I know software engineers that are living a life that people in Trinidad would dream off.
I think the overarching point was the QWL/work-life-balance.
Consider the slavery to your job's health-insurance alone... you don't work/have a job, you die.
There are better places.
See https://worldhappiness.report/ed/2021/
timelapse wrote:Trinidadians cannot function properly without a massa figure.Juhn Scarfy tries hard, but he still has the wrong skin colour.Hence Merica and Cyanada
SuperiorMan wrote:timelapse wrote:Trinidadians cannot function properly without a massa figure.Juhn Scarfy tries hard, but he still has the wrong skin colour.Hence Merica and Cyanada
This is true. My UNC girlfriend said that she feels safer when there is a white ruler of the land so she wants to live in US/Canada/Europe.
Redress10 wrote:SuperiorMan wrote:timelapse wrote:Trinidadians cannot function properly without a massa figure.Juhn Scarfy tries hard, but he still has the wrong skin colour.Hence Merica and Cyanada
This is true. My UNC girlfriend said that she feels safer when there is a white ruler of the land so she wants to live in US/Canada/Europe.
Well then she is properly and fully brain washed. White rulers don't rule for ppl of her kind. What immigrants get in the US/Canada/Europe etc are essentially the societal and economic crumbs. Whites only rule for the benefit and advancement of whites.
Most trinis migrate and when they come back to TT the only thing they can do is go Maracas and buy bake and shark. There's no transfer of wealth and knowledge by trinis who have migrated to those places because the fact is they haven't done anything significant there as well.
Contrast this with citizens from places such as India who can go back to their countries and create billion dollar companies that could rival the ones they made back in the USA etc. Those ppl are directly creating a bridge between their home countries and places such as USA to transfer knowledge and wealth. Those countries/people have a constant need to keep improving and building wealth. Trinis don't have that drive or ambition. The only thing trinis cud boost abt is bake and shark and doubles.
Redress10 wrote:Wraith King wrote:Redress10 wrote:Wraith King wrote:Redress10 wrote:Trinidad problem is one of productivity. People simply are not interested in being productive citizens. Just look at how many holidays they always looking forward to. In other countries a holiday is equal to a loss in earnings.
Trinis are too subsidised that they taking things for granted. Remove subsidies and let them pay the real price for things.
Who do you think pay for subsidies?
You are not supposed to be "subsidised". Subsidies are there to "help" the poor. That is why the "rich" is taxed. It's like a balancing scale. You are supposed to be subsidised technically until you get on your feet and are able to contribute to the country. We have been subsidised to the sums of billions for generations.
Subsidies create "fake" consumption. Because things such as school and healthcare are subsidised ppl spend their money on non productive things. It could be fete tickets, car rims etc. Essentially if their lives weren't subsidised then they would have to spend their money on necessities.
There is also the opportunity costs of paying for subsidies. This money could have been better used to increase the Heritage and Stabilisation fund, diversification or improve infrastructure etc
All income earned by any state belong to the citizens. If the government was directly distributing all income earned from the natural resources of Trinidad and Tobago then there is a case for having no subsidies. However, that distribution does not take place in reality so what is the issue with citizens benefiting from subsidies which are paid for with money that belongs to them?
Who fool you. You need both a history and economic lesson. Nothing belongs to the citizen. Dafuq you even talking about. No resource or income belongs to the citizens. Just being born doesn't give you rights to resources or income. You are talking proper rubbish. The only ppl who directly responsible for you are your parents who chose to bring you into this world. They are suppose to bear the full economic and emotional costs of bringing you up. Not the government. Get that straight.
Why don't you talk that sh*t back in the days of colonialism when the British owned every single resource. You are lucky that ppl such as Eric Williams created SOCIALIST policies that allowed ordinary citizens to benefit from the state's resources. That is the only reason why trinis own anything. It is because of socialist policies.
In case you didn't know seeing that you live in a country that was an ex british colony then all resources belong to the sovereign aka The Queen. SHE then decides who gets what and where. That is why the wealthiest people in Europe tend to be aristocrats. People who were gifted land and resources by the ruling monarch who expanded that wealth and passed it down via generations.
NOTHING belongs to the people. What you are talking about is essentially what Chavez and Venezuela was parroting years ago. We see how they end up.
wtf wrote:Leaders in first world nations must provide a high level of accountability to the citizenry unlike what we see in Trinidad.
Take for example this. Right now WASA TTEC AND NGC basically bankrupt and you would expect the management of these state run organizations to do a better job in avoiding this but it seems everyone just going to work to collect big salary with perks.
Do we see this type of scenario in America? Possibly. But leaders their would ensure that things don't continue that way.
What benefits do we have as tax payers in Trinidad?
wtf wrote:Leaders in first world nations must provide a high level of accountability to the citizenry unlike what we see in Trinidad.
Take for example this. Right now WASA TTEC AND NGC basically bankrupt and you would expect the management of these state run organizations to do a better job in avoiding this but it seems everyone just going to work to collect big salary with perks.
Do we see this type of scenario in America? Possibly. But leaders their would ensure that things don't continue that way.
What benefits do we have as tax payers in Trinidad?
People here won't riot because they need there social grants or food cards to be topped up every month.SuperiorMan wrote:wtf wrote:Leaders in first world nations must provide a high level of accountability to the citizenry unlike what we see in Trinidad.
Take for example this. Right now WASA TTEC AND NGC basically bankrupt and you would expect the management of these state run organizations to do a better job in avoiding this but it seems everyone just going to work to collect big salary with perks.
Do we see this type of scenario in America? Possibly. But leaders their would ensure that things don't continue that way.
What benefits do we have as tax payers in Trinidad?
Lol you ain't seeing that sheit in USA. People there will riot. They won't sit down and take sheit like that like in Trinidad.
But the government behaving like they do own those things.Wraith King wrote:wtf wrote:Leaders in first world nations must provide a high level of accountability to the citizenry unlike what we see in Trinidad.
Take for example this. Right now WASA TTEC AND NGC basically bankrupt and you would expect the management of these state run organizations to do a better job in avoiding this but it seems everyone just going to work to collect big salary with perks.
Do we see this type of scenario in America? Possibly. But leaders their would ensure that things don't continue that way.
What benefits do we have as tax payers in Trinidad?
When you have people thinking the government owns the country and the natural resources, why would any government feel the need to be accountable?
Redress10 wrote:
All countries in the "West" are democratic. What exactly is your point? In which one of those countries, the resources belong to "the people"?
Please say the USA. I am BEGGING you to.
wtf wrote:Leaders in first world nations must provide a high level of accountability to the citizenry unlike what we see in Trinidad.
Take for example this. Right now WASA TTEC AND NGC basically bankrupt and you would expect the management of these state run organizations to do a better job in avoiding this but it seems everyone just going to work to collect big salary with perks.
Do we see this type of scenario in America? Possibly. But leaders their would ensure that things don't continue that way.
What benefits do we have as tax payers in Trinidad?
wtf wrote:But the government behaving like they do own those things.Wraith King wrote:wtf wrote:Leaders in first world nations must provide a high level of accountability to the citizenry unlike what we see in Trinidad.
Take for example this. Right now WASA TTEC AND NGC basically bankrupt and you would expect the management of these state run organizations to do a better job in avoiding this but it seems everyone just going to work to collect big salary with perks.
Do we see this type of scenario in America? Possibly. But leaders their would ensure that things don't continue that way.
What benefits do we have as tax payers in Trinidad?
When you have people thinking the government owns the country and the natural resources, why would any government feel the need to be accountable?
wtf wrote:But the government behaving like they do own those things.Wraith King wrote:wtf wrote:Leaders in first world nations must provide a high level of accountability to the citizenry unlike what we see in Trinidad.
Take for example this. Right now WASA TTEC AND NGC basically bankrupt and you would expect the management of these state run organizations to do a better job in avoiding this but it seems everyone just going to work to collect big salary with perks.
Do we see this type of scenario in America? Possibly. But leaders their would ensure that things don't continue that way.
What benefits do we have as tax payers in Trinidad?
When you have people thinking the government owns the country and the natural resources, why would any government feel the need to be accountable?
Wraith King wrote:Redress10 wrote:
All countries in the "West" are democratic. What exactly is your point? In which one of those countries, the resources belong to "the people"?
Please say the USA. I am BEGGING you to.
All democratic countries twat.
Redress10 wrote:Wraith King wrote:Redress10 wrote:
All countries in the "West" are democratic. What exactly is your point? In which one of those countries, the resources belong to "the people"?
Please say the USA. I am BEGGING you to.
All democratic countries twat.
Democracy have nothing to do with resource allocation. Democracy is about electing officials to govern your country that is all. You are mixing up terms. Theoretically, if the government doesn't own any resource then how can they allocate any? This goes back to things such as land rights. Independence didn't reset those rights etc.
Wraith King wrote:Redress10 wrote:Wraith King wrote:Redress10 wrote:
All countries in the "West" are democratic. What exactly is your point? In which one of those countries, the resources belong to "the people"?
Please say the USA. I am BEGGING you to.
All democratic countries twat.
Democracy have nothing to do with resource allocation. Democracy is about electing officials to govern your country that is all. You are mixing up terms. Theoretically, if the government doesn't own any resource then how can they allocate any? This goes back to things such as land rights. Independence didn't reset those rights etc.
That's why they are voted in to represent the interest of constituents for things such as resource allocation.
Why did you return to Trinidad?SimSimmer69 wrote:sam1978 wrote:If the people who run to the US and Canada put the same effort here that they do up there , there would be no need to run.
You need to move to the front of the class. I studied in the US between 1998 and 2002. Worked till 2004. I can with 100% certainty tell you that locals in the US work harder because simply...THEY HAVE NO CHOICE. The capitalist system in the USA turns you into a slave and depending on the industry you're working in, you have to fight for vacations, personal days and even time to see about your own family and health. Talking about healthcare, the US has the worst system for any developed country. Over 40% of Americans can't afford to get sick or go to the doctor if they're feeling sick for fear of a diagnosis that may get them bankrupt. A lot of Trinbagonians just don't know how great it is here, we have our issues as any developing country but many of them can be fixed if we root out our #1 reason for people not investing or coming to T&T to open business...CORRUPTION!
Additionally, the same people who leave Trinidad for a better life in the US are the same ones who actively try to evade taxes here. They try to enjoy the island life without paying their dues. We're not perfect but as someone who's been a part of the American workforce and system for a few years I can tell you that it's not a bed of roses. Work till you die!
wtf wrote:Why did you return to Trinidad?SimSimmer69 wrote:sam1978 wrote:If the people who run to the US and Canada put the same effort here that they do up there , there would be no need to run.
You need to move to the front of the class. I studied in the US between 1998 and 2002. Worked till 2004. I can with 100% certainty tell you that locals in the US work harder because simply...THEY HAVE NO CHOICE. The capitalist system in the USA turns you into a slave and depending on the industry you're working in, you have to fight for vacations, personal days and even time to see about your own family and health. Talking about healthcare, the US has the worst system for any developed country. Over 40% of Americans can't afford to get sick or go to the doctor if they're feeling sick for fear of a diagnosis that may get them bankrupt. A lot of Trinbagonians just don't know how great it is here, we have our issues as any developing country but many of them can be fixed if we root out our #1 reason for people not investing or coming to T&T to open business...CORRUPTION!
Additionally, the same people who leave Trinidad for a better life in the US are the same ones who actively try to evade taxes here. They try to enjoy the island life without paying their dues. We're not perfect but as someone who's been a part of the American workforce and system for a few years I can tell you that it's not a bed of roses. Work till you die!
Xplode wrote:Leaving Trinidad in 2016 was the best move in my life , hey i had a capital to start , USD was a lil easy to get so i stared changing my TT to USD , i moved to Florida ,my first job was body-guarding the rich , there i met my " love" fiancee and was able to get my green card the first thing i did open i own body guarding service and then i got a contract to do the Leaffliter rain gutter system , that business is way doing better , in 2 years in the states i have my own house very good area in Florida , good credit dint go buy some expensive car first ,i bought a simple 2014 corolla $7000 usd , still has it to this day , saved for my house down payment , hey i choose Florida over NY meaning more Caribbean vibes and weather . My fiancee is from Canada so i visit there during the spring/ summer , its gorgeous there at that time.
I remembered back in 2015 i applied for a simple CC in First citizen bank ,and got declined even i owned a business and had multiple accounts they turned me down , 3 weeks in Florida i got a $1500 usd cc , some migrate and has to work they tail off yes , currently i have 9 employees in the body guarding and the leaffilter has 4 and growing , i work more doing the leaffilter 3 days a week and rest is relaxation and looking to expand my 2 business contracts , Bless
Do you have any family in Florida that assisted you?Xplode wrote:Leaving Trinidad in 2016 was the best move in my life , hey i had a capital to start , USD was a lil easy to get so i stared changing my TT to USD , i moved to Florida ,my first job was body-guarding the rich , there i met my " love" fiancee and was able to get my green card the first thing i did open i own body guarding service and then i got a contract to do the Leaffliter rain gutter system , that business is way doing better , in 2 years in the states i have my own house very good area in Florida , good credit dint go buy some expensive car first ,i bought a simple 2014 corolla $7000 usd , still has it to this day , saved for my house down payment , hey i choose Florida over NY meaning more Caribbean vibes and weather . My fiancee is from Canada so i visit there during the spring/ summer , its gorgeous there at that time.
I remembered back in 2015 i applied for a simple CC in First citizen bank ,and got declined even i owned a business and had multiple accounts they turned me down , 3 weeks in Florida i got a $1500 usd cc , some migrate and has to work they tail off yes , currently i have 9 employees in the body guarding and the leaffilter has 4 and growing , i work more doing the leaffilter 3 days a week and rest is relaxation and looking to expand my 2 business contracts , Bless
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