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Re: Leaving Trinidad for good...

Postby Redress10 » May 17th, 2021, 1:19 pm

The reason trinis do better when they migrate is because they are forced to. They are most times and ethnic minority that have no privilege and those countries will not hesitate to fire and deport an unproductive foreigner.

Has nothing to do with conditions etc and everything to do with fear. Trinis fear real power and authority. Especially if that authority is white.

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Re: Leaving Trinidad for good...

Postby Wraith King » May 17th, 2021, 1:26 pm

Redress10 wrote:
Wraith King wrote:
Redress10 wrote:Trinidad problem is one of productivity. People simply are not interested in being productive citizens. Just look at how many holidays they always looking forward to. In other countries a holiday is equal to a loss in earnings.

Trinis are too subsidised that they taking things for granted. Remove subsidies and let them pay the real price for things.


Who do you think pay for subsidies?


You are not supposed to be "subsidised". Subsidies are there to "help" the poor. That is why the "rich" is taxed. It's like a balancing scale. You are supposed to be subsidised technically until you get on your feet and are able to contribute to the country. We have been subsidised to the sums of billions for generations.

Subsidies create "fake" consumption. Because things such as school and healthcare are subsidised ppl spend their money on non productive things. It could be fete tickets, car rims etc. Essentially if their lives weren't subsidised then they would have to spend their money on necessities.

There is also the opportunity costs of paying for subsidies. This money could have been better used to increase the Heritage and Stabilisation fund, diversification or improve infrastructure etc


All income earned by any state belong to the citizens. If the government was directly distributing all income earned from the natural resources of Trinidad and Tobago then there is a case for having no subsidies. However, that distribution does not take place in reality so what is the issue with citizens benefiting from subsidies which are paid for with money that belongs to them?

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Re: Leaving Trinidad for good...

Postby Redress10 » May 17th, 2021, 1:37 pm

Wraith King wrote:
Redress10 wrote:
Wraith King wrote:
Redress10 wrote:Trinidad problem is one of productivity. People simply are not interested in being productive citizens. Just look at how many holidays they always looking forward to. In other countries a holiday is equal to a loss in earnings.

Trinis are too subsidised that they taking things for granted. Remove subsidies and let them pay the real price for things.


Who do you think pay for subsidies?


You are not supposed to be "subsidised". Subsidies are there to "help" the poor. That is why the "rich" is taxed. It's like a balancing scale. You are supposed to be subsidised technically until you get on your feet and are able to contribute to the country. We have been subsidised to the sums of billions for generations.

Subsidies create "fake" consumption. Because things such as school and healthcare are subsidised ppl spend their money on non productive things. It could be fete tickets, car rims etc. Essentially if their lives weren't subsidised then they would have to spend their money on necessities.

There is also the opportunity costs of paying for subsidies. This money could have been better used to increase the Heritage and Stabilisation fund, diversification or improve infrastructure etc


All income earned by any state belong to the citizens. If the government was directly distributing all income earned from the natural resources of Trinidad and Tobago then there is a case for having no subsidies. However, that distribution does not take place in reality so what is the issue with citizens benefiting from subsidies which are paid for with money that belongs to them?


Who fool you. You need both a history and economic lesson. Nothing belongs to the citizen. Dafuq you even talking about. No resource or income belongs to the citizens. Just being born doesn't give you rights to resources or income. You are talking proper rubbish. The only ppl who directly responsible for you are your parents who chose to bring you into this world. They are suppose to bear the full economic and emotional costs of bringing you up. Not the government. Get that straight.

Why don't you talk that sh*t back in the days of colonialism when the British owned every single resource. You are lucky that ppl such as Eric Williams created SOCIALIST policies that allowed ordinary citizens to benefit from the state's resources. That is the only reason why trinis own anything. It is because of socialist policies.

In case you didn't know seeing that you live in a country that was an ex british colony then all resources belong to the sovereign aka The Queen. SHE then decides who gets what and where. That is why the wealthiest people in Europe tend to be aristocrats. People who were gifted land and resources by the ruling monarch who expanded that wealth and passed it down via generations.

NOTHING belongs to the people. What you are talking about is essentially what Chavez and Venezuela was parroting years ago. We see how they end up.

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Re: Leaving Trinidad for good...

Postby SuperiorMan » May 17th, 2021, 1:38 pm

FrankChag wrote:
SuperiorMan wrote:
FrankChag wrote:The States specifically is slavery.
Other places (uk/canada/germany/scandanavia), not so bad.

Imagine trying to get 21 day's off in the States.
I believe maternity leave is unpaid (tbc)

And... Countries topping number of paid public holidays:

Cambodia=29
Sri Lanka=26
India=21
Colombia, the Philippines, Trinidad and Tobago=18!
USA... 10.

https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/count ... 52891.html


Frank,

You cannot lump all jobs into one and say they all try to get 21 days off. Let's be realistic now. Some jobs are better than others. I know software engineers that are living a life that people in Trinidad would dream off.


I think the overarching point was the QWL/work-life-balance.
Consider the slavery to your job's health-insurance alone... you don't work/have a job, you die.


There are better places.
See https://worldhappiness.report/ed/2021/


Frank,

The overarching point was that you can't lump all jobs in the US to have a poor work life balance and only having 21 days off. That is generalization. There are many jobs that do and don't.

As for there being better places,

Firstly are you using just worklife balance for a country being "better"? What if someone can only get a specific type of treatment in the US and not Europe? What if someone doesn't want to pay up to half their salaries in tax? What about the weather in California compared to that in Europe/Canada? Then the US is better for that person.


As for the study,
Does that make it a fact? What was the study done? sample size etc?

Hope you get my point.

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Re: Leaving Trinidad for good...

Postby timelapse » May 17th, 2021, 2:23 pm

Trinidadians cannot function properly without a massa figure.Juhn Scarfy tries hard, but he still has the wrong skin colour.Hence Merica and Cyanada

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Re: Leaving Trinidad for good...

Postby SuperiorMan » May 17th, 2021, 2:26 pm

timelapse wrote:Trinidadians cannot function properly without a massa figure.Juhn Scarfy tries hard, but he still has the wrong skin colour.Hence Merica and Cyanada


This is true. My UNC girlfriend said that she feels safer when there is a white ruler of the land so she wants to live in US/Canada/Europe.

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Re: Leaving Trinidad for good...

Postby Redress10 » May 17th, 2021, 2:31 pm

SuperiorMan wrote:
timelapse wrote:Trinidadians cannot function properly without a massa figure.Juhn Scarfy tries hard, but he still has the wrong skin colour.Hence Merica and Cyanada


This is true. My UNC girlfriend said that she feels safer when there is a white ruler of the land so she wants to live in US/Canada/Europe.


Well then she is properly and fully brain washed. White rulers don't rule for ppl of her kind. What immigrants get in the US/Canada/Europe etc are essentially the societal and economic crumbs. Whites only rule for the benefit and advancement of whites.

Most trinis migrate and when they come back to TT the only thing they can do is go Maracas and buy bake and shark. There's no transfer of wealth and knowledge by trinis who have migrated to those places because the fact is they haven't done anything significant there as well.

Contrast this with citizens from places such as India who can go back to their countries and create billion dollar companies that could rival the ones they made back in the USA etc. Those ppl are directly creating a bridge between their home countries and places such as USA to transfer knowledge and wealth. Those countries/people have a constant need to keep improving and building wealth. Trinis don't have that drive or ambition. The only thing trinis cud boost abt is bake and shark and doubles.

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Re: Leaving Trinidad for good...

Postby FrankChag » May 17th, 2021, 2:39 pm

On the methodology of the UN World Happiness Report:
https://worldhappiness.report/faq/#what ... calculated

Given there are other measures, like the HDI.
For each his own though.

For example, for me it's:
- religious tolerance / nearness to a mosque
- multicultural society
- good roads
- reasonable cost of living
- ease of doing business (eg opening/running business)
- reasonable corporate tax / income tax
- good educational oppertunties

TT is okay for the moment (except roads)..
But we most likely heading out once the kiddies grow up a bit... cars are just too stupidly expensive here.

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Re: Leaving Trinidad for good...

Postby SuperiorMan » May 17th, 2021, 2:39 pm

Redress10 wrote:
SuperiorMan wrote:
timelapse wrote:Trinidadians cannot function properly without a massa figure.Juhn Scarfy tries hard, but he still has the wrong skin colour.Hence Merica and Cyanada


This is true. My UNC girlfriend said that she feels safer when there is a white ruler of the land so she wants to live in US/Canada/Europe.


Well then she is properly and fully brain washed. White rulers don't rule for ppl of her kind. What immigrants get in the US/Canada/Europe etc are essentially the societal and economic crumbs. Whites only rule for the benefit and advancement of whites.

Most trinis migrate and when they come back to TT the only thing they can do is go Maracas and buy bake and shark. There's no transfer of wealth and knowledge by trinis who have migrated to those places because the fact is they haven't done anything significant there as well.

Contrast this with citizens from places such as India who can go back to their countries and create billion dollar companies that could rival the ones they made back in the USA etc. Those ppl are directly creating a bridge between their home countries and places such as USA to transfer knowledge and wealth. Those countries/people have a constant need to keep improving and building wealth. Trinis don't have that drive or ambition. The only thing trinis cud boost abt is bake and shark and doubles.


True but she is light skinned and feels she can pass for white (seriously). No matter how much I tell her they won't, she doesn't believe me.

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Re: Leaving Trinidad for good...

Postby Wraith King » May 17th, 2021, 2:40 pm

Redress10 wrote:
Wraith King wrote:
Redress10 wrote:
Wraith King wrote:
Redress10 wrote:Trinidad problem is one of productivity. People simply are not interested in being productive citizens. Just look at how many holidays they always looking forward to. In other countries a holiday is equal to a loss in earnings.

Trinis are too subsidised that they taking things for granted. Remove subsidies and let them pay the real price for things.


Who do you think pay for subsidies?


You are not supposed to be "subsidised". Subsidies are there to "help" the poor. That is why the "rich" is taxed. It's like a balancing scale. You are supposed to be subsidised technically until you get on your feet and are able to contribute to the country. We have been subsidised to the sums of billions for generations.

Subsidies create "fake" consumption. Because things such as school and healthcare are subsidised ppl spend their money on non productive things. It could be fete tickets, car rims etc. Essentially if their lives weren't subsidised then they would have to spend their money on necessities.

There is also the opportunity costs of paying for subsidies. This money could have been better used to increase the Heritage and Stabilisation fund, diversification or improve infrastructure etc


All income earned by any state belong to the citizens. If the government was directly distributing all income earned from the natural resources of Trinidad and Tobago then there is a case for having no subsidies. However, that distribution does not take place in reality so what is the issue with citizens benefiting from subsidies which are paid for with money that belongs to them?


Who fool you. You need both a history and economic lesson. Nothing belongs to the citizen. Dafuq you even talking about. No resource or income belongs to the citizens. Just being born doesn't give you rights to resources or income. You are talking proper rubbish. The only ppl who directly responsible for you are your parents who chose to bring you into this world. They are suppose to bear the full economic and emotional costs of bringing you up. Not the government. Get that straight.

Why don't you talk that sh*t back in the days of colonialism when the British owned every single resource. You are lucky that ppl such as Eric Williams created SOCIALIST policies that allowed ordinary citizens to benefit from the state's resources. That is the only reason why trinis own anything. It is because of socialist policies.

In case you didn't know seeing that you live in a country that was an ex british colony then all resources belong to the sovereign aka The Queen. SHE then decides who gets what and where. That is why the wealthiest people in Europe tend to be aristocrats. People who were gifted land and resources by the ruling monarch who expanded that wealth and passed it down via generations.

NOTHING belongs to the people. What you are talking about is essentially what Chavez and Venezuela was parroting years ago. We see how they end up.


We're living in a democratic state in case you were unaware.

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Re: Leaving Trinidad for good...

Postby widdyphuck » May 17th, 2021, 2:41 pm

Leaders in first world nations must provide a high level of accountability to the citizenry unlike what we see in Trinidad.
Take for example this. Right now WASA TTEC AND NGC basically bankrupt and you would expect the management of these state run organizations to do a better job in avoiding this but it seems everyone just going to work to collect big salary with perks.
Do we see this type of scenario in America? Possibly. But leaders their would ensure that things don't continue that way.
What benefits do we have as tax payers in Trinidad?

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Re: Leaving Trinidad for good...

Postby SuperiorMan » May 17th, 2021, 2:46 pm

wtf wrote:Leaders in first world nations must provide a high level of accountability to the citizenry unlike what we see in Trinidad.
Take for example this. Right now WASA TTEC AND NGC basically bankrupt and you would expect the management of these state run organizations to do a better job in avoiding this but it seems everyone just going to work to collect big salary with perks.
Do we see this type of scenario in America? Possibly. But leaders their would ensure that things don't continue that way.
What benefits do we have as tax payers in Trinidad?


Lol you ain't seeing that sheit in USA. People there will riot. They won't sit down and take sheit like that like in Trinidad.

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Re: Leaving Trinidad for good...

Postby Redress10 » May 17th, 2021, 2:46 pm

Wraith King wrote:
Redress10 wrote:
Wraith King wrote:
Redress10 wrote:
Wraith King wrote:
Redress10 wrote:Trinidad problem is one of productivity. People simply are not interested in being productive citizens. Just look at how many holidays they always looking forward to. In other countries a holiday is equal to a loss in earnings.

Trinis are too subsidised that they taking things for granted. Remove subsidies and let them pay the real price for things.


Who do you think pay for subsidies?


You are not supposed to be "subsidised". Subsidies are there to "help" the poor. That is why the "rich" is taxed. It's like a balancing scale. You are supposed to be subsidised technically until you get on your feet and are able to contribute to the country. We have been subsidised to the sums of billions for generations.

Subsidies create "fake" consumption. Because things such as school and healthcare are subsidised ppl spend their money on non productive things. It could be fete tickets, car rims etc. Essentially if their lives weren't subsidised then they would have to spend their money on necessities.

There is also the opportunity costs of paying for subsidies. This money could have been better used to increase the Heritage and Stabilisation fund, diversification or improve infrastructure etc


All income earned by any state belong to the citizens. If the government was directly distributing all income earned from the natural resources of Trinidad and Tobago then there is a case for having no subsidies. However, that distribution does not take place in reality so what is the issue with citizens benefiting from subsidies which are paid for with money that belongs to them?


Who fool you. You need both a history and economic lesson. Nothing belongs to the citizen. Dafuq you even talking about. No resource or income belongs to the citizens. Just being born doesn't give you rights to resources or income. You are talking proper rubbish. The only ppl who directly responsible for you are your parents who chose to bring you into this world. They are suppose to bear the full economic and emotional costs of bringing you up. Not the government. Get that straight.

Why don't you talk that sh*t back in the days of colonialism when the British owned every single resource. You are lucky that ppl such as Eric Williams created SOCIALIST policies that allowed ordinary citizens to benefit from the state's resources. That is the only reason why trinis own anything. It is because of socialist policies.

In case you didn't know seeing that you live in a country that was an ex british colony then all resources belong to the sovereign aka The Queen. SHE then decides who gets what and where. That is why the wealthiest people in Europe tend to be aristocrats. People who were gifted land and resources by the ruling monarch who expanded that wealth and passed it down via generations.

NOTHING belongs to the people. What you are talking about is essentially what Chavez and Venezuela was parroting years ago. We see how they end up.


We're living in a democratic state in case you were unaware.


All countries in the "West" are democratic. What exactly is your point? In which one of those countries, the resources belong to "the people"?

Please say the USA. I am BEGGING you to.

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Re: Leaving Trinidad for good...

Postby Wraith King » May 17th, 2021, 2:46 pm

wtf wrote:Leaders in first world nations must provide a high level of accountability to the citizenry unlike what we see in Trinidad.
Take for example this. Right now WASA TTEC AND NGC basically bankrupt and you would expect the management of these state run organizations to do a better job in avoiding this but it seems everyone just going to work to collect big salary with perks.
Do we see this type of scenario in America? Possibly. But leaders their would ensure that things don't continue that way.
What benefits do we have as tax payers in Trinidad?


When you have people thinking the government owns the country and the natural resources, why would any government feel the need to be accountable?

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Re: Leaving Trinidad for good...

Postby widdyphuck » May 17th, 2021, 2:48 pm

SuperiorMan wrote:
wtf wrote:Leaders in first world nations must provide a high level of accountability to the citizenry unlike what we see in Trinidad.
Take for example this. Right now WASA TTEC AND NGC basically bankrupt and you would expect the management of these state run organizations to do a better job in avoiding this but it seems everyone just going to work to collect big salary with perks.
Do we see this type of scenario in America? Possibly. But leaders their would ensure that things don't continue that way.
What benefits do we have as tax payers in Trinidad?


Lol you ain't seeing that sheit in USA. People there will riot. They won't sit down and take sheit like that like in Trinidad.
People here won't riot because they need there social grants or food cards to be topped up every month.

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Re: Leaving Trinidad for good...

Postby widdyphuck » May 17th, 2021, 2:50 pm

Wraith King wrote:
wtf wrote:Leaders in first world nations must provide a high level of accountability to the citizenry unlike what we see in Trinidad.
Take for example this. Right now WASA TTEC AND NGC basically bankrupt and you would expect the management of these state run organizations to do a better job in avoiding this but it seems everyone just going to work to collect big salary with perks.
Do we see this type of scenario in America? Possibly. But leaders their would ensure that things don't continue that way.
What benefits do we have as tax payers in Trinidad?


When you have people thinking the government owns the country and the natural resources, why would any government feel the need to be accountable?
But the government behaving like they do own those things.

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Re: Leaving Trinidad for good...

Postby Wraith King » May 17th, 2021, 2:50 pm

Redress10 wrote:
Wraith King wrote:
Redress10 wrote:
Wraith King wrote:
Redress10 wrote:
Wraith King wrote:
Redress10 wrote:Trinidad problem is one of productivity. People simply are not interested in being productive citizens. Just look at how many holidays they always looking forward to. In other countries a holiday is equal to a loss in earnings.

Trinis are too subsidised that they taking things for granted. Remove subsidies and let them pay the real price for things.


Who do you think pay for subsidies?


You are not supposed to be "subsidised". Subsidies are there to "help" the poor. That is why the "rich" is taxed. It's like a balancing scale. You are supposed to be subsidised technically until you get on your feet and are able to contribute to the country. We have been subsidised to the sums of billions for generations.

Subsidies create "fake" consumption. Because things such as school and healthcare are subsidised ppl spend their money on non productive things. It could be fete tickets, car rims etc. Essentially if their lives weren't subsidised then they would have to spend their money on necessities.

There is also the opportunity costs of paying for subsidies. This money could have been better used to increase the Heritage and Stabilisation fund, diversification or improve infrastructure etc


All income earned by any state belong to the citizens. If the government was directly distributing all income earned from the natural resources of Trinidad and Tobago then there is a case for having no subsidies. However, that distribution does not take place in reality so what is the issue with citizens benefiting from subsidies which are paid for with money that belongs to them?


Who fool you. You need both a history and economic lesson. Nothing belongs to the citizen. Dafuq you even talking about. No resource or income belongs to the citizens. Just being born doesn't give you rights to resources or income. You are talking proper rubbish. The only ppl who directly responsible for you are your parents who chose to bring you into this world. They are suppose to bear the full economic and emotional costs of bringing you up. Not the government. Get that straight.

Why don't you talk that sh*t back in the days of colonialism when the British owned every single resource. You are lucky that ppl such as Eric Williams created SOCIALIST policies that allowed ordinary citizens to benefit from the state's resources. That is the only reason why trinis own anything. It is because of socialist policies.

In case you didn't know seeing that you live in a country that was an ex british colony then all resources belong to the sovereign aka The Queen. SHE then decides who gets what and where. That is why the wealthiest people in Europe tend to be aristocrats. People who were gifted land and resources by the ruling monarch who expanded that wealth and passed it down via generations.

NOTHING belongs to the people. What you are talking about is essentially what Chavez and Venezuela was parroting years ago. We see how they end up.


We're living in a democratic state in case you were unaware.


All countries in the "West" are democratic. What exactly is your point? In which one of those countries, the resources belong to "the people"?

Please say the USA. I am BEGGING you to.


All democratic countries twat.

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Re: Leaving Trinidad for good...

Postby Redress10 » May 17th, 2021, 2:52 pm

wtf wrote:Leaders in first world nations must provide a high level of accountability to the citizenry unlike what we see in Trinidad.
Take for example this. Right now WASA TTEC AND NGC basically bankrupt and you would expect the management of these state run organizations to do a better job in avoiding this but it seems everyone just going to work to collect big salary with perks.
Do we see this type of scenario in America? Possibly. But leaders their would ensure that things don't continue that way.
What benefits do we have as tax payers in Trinidad?


In America, those companies would be privately owned ans you would pay according to your usage so they will never be bankrupted because they would not be subsidised. In TT those companies are bankrupted because trinis are not paying the market price for public goods and are also wasting those goods. This results in double losses.

Has nothing to do with leadership. Citizens in those countries are less politically involved than here in TT. You actually feel it's easier to remove a sitting US president from office than TT? Ha. The last US president was an actual Billionaire. Those people are not politicians. The majority of ppl in the UK/USA will never even come in close contact with their leaders ever.

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Re: Leaving Trinidad for good...

Postby Wraith King » May 17th, 2021, 2:54 pm

wtf wrote:
Wraith King wrote:
wtf wrote:Leaders in first world nations must provide a high level of accountability to the citizenry unlike what we see in Trinidad.
Take for example this. Right now WASA TTEC AND NGC basically bankrupt and you would expect the management of these state run organizations to do a better job in avoiding this but it seems everyone just going to work to collect big salary with perks.
Do we see this type of scenario in America? Possibly. But leaders their would ensure that things don't continue that way.
What benefits do we have as tax payers in Trinidad?


When you have people thinking the government owns the country and the natural resources, why would any government feel the need to be accountable?
But the government behaving like they do own those things.


Because they used to doing that. They fine with people believing they do but they don't in any democratic state. Even persons like redress10 seem to believe they do and boldly making that claim.

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Re: Leaving Trinidad for good...

Postby Redress10 » May 17th, 2021, 2:54 pm

wtf wrote:
Wraith King wrote:
wtf wrote:Leaders in first world nations must provide a high level of accountability to the citizenry unlike what we see in Trinidad.
Take for example this. Right now WASA TTEC AND NGC basically bankrupt and you would expect the management of these state run organizations to do a better job in avoiding this but it seems everyone just going to work to collect big salary with perks.
Do we see this type of scenario in America? Possibly. But leaders their would ensure that things don't continue that way.
What benefits do we have as tax payers in Trinidad?


When you have people thinking the government owns the country and the natural resources, why would any government feel the need to be accountable?
But the government behaving like they do own those things.


Because we effectively replaced the crown with the political parties. That office holder now hoardes all the resources and decides who gets what. This usually goes to their friends, families and financiers. It is not based on development needs etc

Resources belong to the STATE and not the government. The government is suppose to function on behalf of and to the benefit of the State. The Government is also NOT the state. The Government is just another public body, same way that the Police, Army, Judiciary is another body. That is why when there is over reach by anyone of those you get uproar and terms such as Police STATE, Army STATE and Judicial overreach.
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Re: Leaving Trinidad for good...

Postby Redress10 » May 17th, 2021, 2:57 pm

Wraith King wrote:
Redress10 wrote:
Wraith King wrote:
Redress10 wrote:
Wraith King wrote:
Redress10 wrote:
Wraith King wrote:
Redress10 wrote:Trinidad problem is one of productivity. People simply are not interested in being productive citizens. Just look at how many holidays they always looking forward to. In other countries a holiday is equal to a loss in earnings.

Trinis are too subsidised that they taking things for granted. Remove subsidies and let them pay the real price for things.


Who do you think pay for subsidies?


You are not supposed to be "subsidised". Subsidies are there to "help" the poor. That is why the "rich" is taxed. It's like a balancing scale. You are supposed to be subsidised technically until you get on your feet and are able to contribute to the country. We have been subsidised to the sums of billions for generations.

Subsidies create "fake" consumption. Because things such as school and healthcare are subsidised ppl spend their money on non productive things. It could be fete tickets, car rims etc. Essentially if their lives weren't subsidised then they would have to spend their money on necessities.

There is also the opportunity costs of paying for subsidies. This money could have been better used to increase the Heritage and Stabilisation fund, diversification or improve infrastructure etc


All income earned by any state belong to the citizens. If the government was directly distributing all income earned from the natural resources of Trinidad and Tobago then there is a case for having no subsidies. However, that distribution does not take place in reality so what is the issue with citizens benefiting from subsidies which are paid for with money that belongs to them?


Who fool you. You need both a history and economic lesson. Nothing belongs to the citizen. Dafuq you even talking about. No resource or income belongs to the citizens. Just being born doesn't give you rights to resources or income. You are talking proper rubbish. The only ppl who directly responsible for you are your parents who chose to bring you into this world. They are suppose to bear the full economic and emotional costs of bringing you up. Not the government. Get that straight.

Why don't you talk that sh*t back in the days of colonialism when the British owned every single resource. You are lucky that ppl such as Eric Williams created SOCIALIST policies that allowed ordinary citizens to benefit from the state's resources. That is the only reason why trinis own anything. It is because of socialist policies.

In case you didn't know seeing that you live in a country that was an ex british colony then all resources belong to the sovereign aka The Queen. SHE then decides who gets what and where. That is why the wealthiest people in Europe tend to be aristocrats. People who were gifted land and resources by the ruling monarch who expanded that wealth and passed it down via generations.

NOTHING belongs to the people. What you are talking about is essentially what Chavez and Venezuela was parroting years ago. We see how they end up.


We're living in a democratic state in case you were unaware.


All countries in the "West" are democratic. What exactly is your point? In which one of those countries, the resources belong to "the people"?

Please say the USA. I am BEGGING you to.


All democratic countries twat.


Democracy have nothing to do with resource allocation. Democracy is about electing officials to govern your country that is all. You are mixing up terms. Theoretically, if the government doesn't own any resource then how can they allocate any? This goes back to things such as land rights. Independence didn't reset those rights etc.

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Re: Leaving Trinidad for good...

Postby Wraith King » May 17th, 2021, 3:00 pm

Redress10 wrote:
Wraith King wrote:
Redress10 wrote:
Wraith King wrote:
Redress10 wrote:
Wraith King wrote:
Redress10 wrote:
Wraith King wrote:
Who do you think pay for subsidies?


You are not supposed to be "subsidised". Subsidies are there to "help" the poor. That is why the "rich" is taxed. It's like a balancing scale. You are supposed to be subsidised technically until you get on your feet and are able to contribute to the country. We have been subsidised to the sums of billions for generations.

Subsidies create "fake" consumption. Because things such as school and healthcare are subsidised ppl spend their money on non productive things. It could be fete tickets, car rims etc. Essentially if their lives weren't subsidised then they would have to spend their money on necessities.

There is also the opportunity costs of paying for subsidies. This money could have been better used to increase the Heritage and Stabilisation fund, diversification or improve infrastructure etc


All income earned by any state belong to the citizens. If the government was directly distributing all income earned from the natural resources of Trinidad and Tobago then there is a case for having no subsidies. However, that distribution does not take place in reality so what is the issue with citizens benefiting from subsidies which are paid for with money that belongs to them?


Who fool you. You need both a history and economic lesson. Nothing belongs to the citizen. Dafuq you even talking about. No resource or income belongs to the citizens. Just being born doesn't give you rights to resources or income. You are talking proper rubbish. The only ppl who directly responsible for you are your parents who chose to bring you into this world. They are suppose to bear the full economic and emotional costs of bringing you up. Not the government. Get that straight.

Why don't you talk that sh*t back in the days of colonialism when the British owned every single resource. You are lucky that ppl such as Eric Williams created SOCIALIST policies that allowed ordinary citizens to benefit from the state's resources. That is the only reason why trinis own anything. It is because of socialist policies.

In case you didn't know seeing that you live in a country that was an ex british colony then all resources belong to the sovereign aka The Queen. SHE then decides who gets what and where. That is why the wealthiest people in Europe tend to be aristocrats. People who were gifted land and resources by the ruling monarch who expanded that wealth and passed it down via generations.

NOTHING belongs to the people. What you are talking about is essentially what Chavez and Venezuela was parroting years ago. We see how they end up.


We're living in a democratic state in case you were unaware.


All countries in the "West" are democratic. What exactly is your point? In which one of those countries, the resources belong to "the people"?

Please say the USA. I am BEGGING you to.


All democratic countries twat.


Democracy have nothing to do with resource allocation. Democracy is about electing officials to govern your country that is all. You are mixing up terms. Theoretically, if the government doesn't own any resource then how can they allocate any? This goes back to things such as land rights. Independence didn't reset those rights etc.


That's why they are voted in to represent the interest of constituents for things such as resource allocation.

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Re: Leaving Trinidad for good...

Postby Redress10 » May 17th, 2021, 3:13 pm

Wraith King wrote:
Redress10 wrote:
Wraith King wrote:
Redress10 wrote:
Wraith King wrote:
Redress10 wrote:
Wraith King wrote:
Redress10 wrote:
You are not supposed to be "subsidised". Subsidies are there to "help" the poor. That is why the "rich" is taxed. It's like a balancing scale. You are supposed to be subsidised technically until you get on your feet and are able to contribute to the country. We have been subsidised to the sums of billions for generations.

Subsidies create "fake" consumption. Because things such as school and healthcare are subsidised ppl spend their money on non productive things. It could be fete tickets, car rims etc. Essentially if their lives weren't subsidised then they would have to spend their money on necessities.

There is also the opportunity costs of paying for subsidies. This money could have been better used to increase the Heritage and Stabilisation fund, diversification or improve infrastructure etc


All income earned by any state belong to the citizens. If the government was directly distributing all income earned from the natural resources of Trinidad and Tobago then there is a case for having no subsidies. However, that distribution does not take place in reality so what is the issue with citizens benefiting from subsidies which are paid for with money that belongs to them?


Who fool you. You need both a history and economic lesson. Nothing belongs to the citizen. Dafuq you even talking about. No resource or income belongs to the citizens. Just being born doesn't give you rights to resources or income. You are talking proper rubbish. The only ppl who directly responsible for you are your parents who chose to bring you into this world. They are suppose to bear the full economic and emotional costs of bringing you up. Not the government. Get that straight.

Why don't you talk that sh*t back in the days of colonialism when the British owned every single resource. You are lucky that ppl such as Eric Williams created SOCIALIST policies that allowed ordinary citizens to benefit from the state's resources. That is the only reason why trinis own anything. It is because of socialist policies.

In case you didn't know seeing that you live in a country that was an ex british colony then all resources belong to the sovereign aka The Queen. SHE then decides who gets what and where. That is why the wealthiest people in Europe tend to be aristocrats. People who were gifted land and resources by the ruling monarch who expanded that wealth and passed it down via generations.

NOTHING belongs to the people. What you are talking about is essentially what Chavez and Venezuela was parroting years ago. We see how they end up.


We're living in a democratic state in case you were unaware.


All countries in the "West" are democratic. What exactly is your point? In which one of those countries, the resources belong to "the people"?

Please say the USA. I am BEGGING you to.


All democratic countries twat.


Democracy have nothing to do with resource allocation. Democracy is about electing officials to govern your country that is all. You are mixing up terms. Theoretically, if the government doesn't own any resource then how can they allocate any? This goes back to things such as land rights. Independence didn't reset those rights etc.


That's why they are voted in to represent the interest of constituents for things such as resource allocation.



Right but that is only if YOU need it. If I am a wealthy individual, I don't need government to allocate any resource for me or my family. I can simply pay for my family's housing, food, educational and medical needs.

But historically, if you are a country that essentially had two tiers of people meaning white/colonialists who held all the wealth/land vs slaves/indentured labourers and post 1962 the descendants of slaves/indentured labourers are now running and governing the country then you can understand why the government took on such huge social policies. This was to improve the lives of citizens who were essentially undereducated and developed.

But most developed nations never had a huge underclass of persons who were that poor and under developed so they never had to have such economic policies. They were never inhabited by indentured labourers and slaves. Their capitalist nature meant that they would have been able to build wealth and pass it down via generations.

So those "resources" would have belonged to private individuals. The US biggest oil companies etc was never belonged to the "US government". It was men like Rockefeller. In TT it was and has always been some state company. Yesterday it was Petrotrin, today it's Heritage.

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Re: Leaving Trinidad for good...

Postby widdyphuck » May 17th, 2021, 4:22 pm

SimSimmer69 wrote:
sam1978 wrote:If the people who run to the US and Canada put the same effort here that they do up there , there would be no need to run.


You need to move to the front of the class. I studied in the US between 1998 and 2002. Worked till 2004. I can with 100% certainty tell you that locals in the US work harder because simply...THEY HAVE NO CHOICE. The capitalist system in the USA turns you into a slave and depending on the industry you're working in, you have to fight for vacations, personal days and even time to see about your own family and health. Talking about healthcare, the US has the worst system for any developed country. Over 40% of Americans can't afford to get sick or go to the doctor if they're feeling sick for fear of a diagnosis that may get them bankrupt. A lot of Trinbagonians just don't know how great it is here, we have our issues as any developing country but many of them can be fixed if we root out our #1 reason for people not investing or coming to T&T to open business...CORRUPTION!

Additionally, the same people who leave Trinidad for a better life in the US are the same ones who actively try to evade taxes here. They try to enjoy the island life without paying their dues. We're not perfect but as someone who's been a part of the American workforce and system for a few years I can tell you that it's not a bed of roses. Work till you die!
Why did you return to Trinidad?

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Re: Leaving Trinidad for good...

Postby Xplode » May 17th, 2021, 7:24 pm

Leaving Trinidad in 2016 was the best move in my life , hey i had a capital to start , USD was a lil easy to get so i stared changing my TT to USD , i moved to Florida ,my first job was body-guarding the rich , there i met my " love" fiancee and was able to get my green card the first thing i did open i own body guarding service and then i got a contract to do the Leaffliter rain gutter system , that business is way doing better , in 2 years in the states i have my own house very good area in Florida , good credit dint go buy some expensive car first ,i bought a simple 2014 corolla $7000 usd , still has it to this day , saved for my house down payment , hey i choose Florida over NY meaning more Caribbean vibes and weather . My fiancee is from Canada so i visit there during the spring/ summer , its gorgeous there at that time.

I remembered back in 2015 i applied for a simple CC in First citizen bank ,and got declined even i owned a business and had multiple accounts they turned me down , 3 weeks in Florida i got a $1500 usd cc , some migrate and has to work they tail off yes , currently i have 9 employees in the body guarding and the leaffilter has 4 and growing , i work more doing the leaffilter 3 days a week and rest is relaxation and looking to expand my 2 business contracts , Bless

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Re: Leaving Trinidad for good...

Postby Redress10 » May 17th, 2021, 7:38 pm

That's because you didn't migrate with the mindset that the grass was greener bro. You also didn't migrate with the belief that all you can be is a "worker". You would have made it anywhere with your attitude because your moves were flexible and not rigid like some ppl.

Alot of ppl in our culture require employment etc for both mental and societal comfort so when they migrate it becomes a culture shock due to how hard it is to actually be productive and have a boss on their backs. The accountability and competitiveness of developed nations could overwhelm the average trini.

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Re: Leaving Trinidad for good...

Postby SuperiorMan » May 18th, 2021, 5:04 pm

wtf wrote:
SimSimmer69 wrote:
sam1978 wrote:If the people who run to the US and Canada put the same effort here that they do up there , there would be no need to run.


You need to move to the front of the class. I studied in the US between 1998 and 2002. Worked till 2004. I can with 100% certainty tell you that locals in the US work harder because simply...THEY HAVE NO CHOICE. The capitalist system in the USA turns you into a slave and depending on the industry you're working in, you have to fight for vacations, personal days and even time to see about your own family and health. Talking about healthcare, the US has the worst system for any developed country. Over 40% of Americans can't afford to get sick or go to the doctor if they're feeling sick for fear of a diagnosis that may get them bankrupt. A lot of Trinbagonians just don't know how great it is here, we have our issues as any developing country but many of them can be fixed if we root out our #1 reason for people not investing or coming to T&T to open business...CORRUPTION!

Additionally, the same people who leave Trinidad for a better life in the US are the same ones who actively try to evade taxes here. They try to enjoy the island life without paying their dues. We're not perfect but as someone who's been a part of the American workforce and system for a few years I can tell you that it's not a bed of roses. Work till you die!
Why did you return to Trinidad?


Good question.

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Re: Leaving Trinidad for good...

Postby SuperiorMan » May 18th, 2021, 5:05 pm

Xplode wrote:Leaving Trinidad in 2016 was the best move in my life , hey i had a capital to start , USD was a lil easy to get so i stared changing my TT to USD , i moved to Florida ,my first job was body-guarding the rich , there i met my " love" fiancee and was able to get my green card the first thing i did open i own body guarding service and then i got a contract to do the Leaffliter rain gutter system , that business is way doing better , in 2 years in the states i have my own house very good area in Florida , good credit dint go buy some expensive car first ,i bought a simple 2014 corolla $7000 usd , still has it to this day , saved for my house down payment , hey i choose Florida over NY meaning more Caribbean vibes and weather . My fiancee is from Canada so i visit there during the spring/ summer , its gorgeous there at that time.

I remembered back in 2015 i applied for a simple CC in First citizen bank ,and got declined even i owned a business and had multiple accounts they turned me down , 3 weeks in Florida i got a $1500 usd cc , some migrate and has to work they tail off yes , currently i have 9 employees in the body guarding and the leaffilter has 4 and growing , i work more doing the leaffilter 3 days a week and rest is relaxation and looking to expand my 2 business contracts , Bless


Great to hear this. Do you miss anything about Trinidad? How do you deal with the loneliness there (if you know what I mean)? I'm considering moving there.
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Re: Leaving Trinidad for good...

Postby widdyphuck » May 18th, 2021, 5:09 pm

Xplode wrote:Leaving Trinidad in 2016 was the best move in my life , hey i had a capital to start , USD was a lil easy to get so i stared changing my TT to USD , i moved to Florida ,my first job was body-guarding the rich , there i met my " love" fiancee and was able to get my green card the first thing i did open i own body guarding service and then i got a contract to do the Leaffliter rain gutter system , that business is way doing better , in 2 years in the states i have my own house very good area in Florida , good credit dint go buy some expensive car first ,i bought a simple 2014 corolla $7000 usd , still has it to this day , saved for my house down payment , hey i choose Florida over NY meaning more Caribbean vibes and weather . My fiancee is from Canada so i visit there during the spring/ summer , its gorgeous there at that time.

I remembered back in 2015 i applied for a simple CC in First citizen bank ,and got declined even i owned a business and had multiple accounts they turned me down , 3 weeks in Florida i got a $1500 usd cc , some migrate and has to work they tail off yes , currently i have 9 employees in the body guarding and the leaffilter has 4 and growing , i work more doing the leaffilter 3 days a week and rest is relaxation and looking to expand my 2 business contracts , Bless
Do you have any family in Florida that assisted you?
Do you have assets in Trinidad currently?
Do you plan on returning?
Are you an Indian( you sound so)

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Re: Leaving Trinidad for good...

Postby MaxPower » May 18th, 2021, 10:49 pm

Whats the difference with a Trini migrating to USA and a documented Venezuelan in T&T?

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