Should carnival, fetes and so on be banned?

[ScHoolboySoloQ]

It's an integral part of Trinbago's culture but is it pushing the limits now?

[Gem_in_i]

What you mean?

[K74T]

No.

[zoom rader]

Yes ban the fuvking ting.

Bunch ah noise than promotes violent behaviour & unwanted pregnancies.

It builds racism promoted by PNM kiaso tents.

Schools are affected for about 2 weeks

It teaches little kids to wine like dogs.

More drunk injuns

Productivity at work drops, workers coming to work tired from last night fetes.

Broke arse ppl after carnival

Foreign germs and illness coming in.

Hospital are rammed from all sorts of injuries .

Increase in crime as we note the present PNM murder rate

[Numb3r4]

How is it NOW pushing the limit?

To be honest, the current economic circumstances may very well force Carnival to become limited in the future. True there are still fetes going on, but there are less when one considers years past and as the economic situation unfolds more may go the same way.

We may find that fetes go either one way or the other, they may be ultra-exclusive or mass market basic as time wears on, but more importantly they may not be tapping into the audiences that they used to.

I know folks like to say that people will be taking out "Carnival Loans" but this too may become a rare thing as financing becomes a problem in general not for the banks, speaking about the average man.

Another point to note is splitting of the stage from Queens' Park to include Soca Drome, and the added competition for mas goers from events like Machel Mondays. These things may further split the market and create greater exclusivity and this may drive prices higher, further limiting participation. This has been a part of our past, where certain bands catered to certain clientele much to exclusion of most what followed was the "die-hard mas men". With the economic booms we had this massive swell in the middle class and the middle ground and the growth in this commercial carnival we now see.

The future might see the Soca Drome being the it spot for the rich who want to flash, Machel Mondays may also be the venue for those as well although normal folks could buy in but again with exclusivity prices may go up. Queens park will be for the "Die Hards" and such...I don't really know what to say about Queens' Park really...

Even if you factor in the diaspora this is small and they won't really grow or expand the industry.

Long and short of it, you don't need to ban Carnival, it may very well succumb to the harsh economic situation and shrink. Look at the trouble pan is in.

[The_Honourable]

Don't care for them but i don't think it should be banned. It should be zoned however... away from residential communities and hospitals so noise levels and traffic would not be an issue. If it must have one in a restricted area, it should be timed, example cutoff by 1am.

[zoom rader]

Just think if a mass shooter decides to get edgy.

[fatboy slim]

Just think if a mass shooter decides to get edgy.

[MaxPower]

Ban it, and when the riots start....pepper spray and acid they mc.

[sMASH]

Let natural selection work its course

[eurotuner]

Somebody eh get a soaka ticket #SweetTears

[Zetski]

Somebody eh get a soaka ticket #SweetTears

Soaka was rell vibes Op yuh miss out

[matr1x]

Just think if a mass shooter decides to get edgy.

On that day....birds will be singing, flowers will bloom.

[Ted_v2]

zr on point, waste ah time in my book. excuse to drink rum and behave unruly.

[A172]

salt whole night in parties thread

[pugboy]

Gary buss the mark on police escorting patrons/soca artists driving through traffic yesterday
how he expect soca artists to go from party to party with all the traffic esp in the west ?
man want to mash up the season

[88sins]

op, you want to know if Carnival should be banned? the short answer is no, & for quite a few reasons. What's needed is better management & regulations. & this coming from a man that does not play any part in Carnival, I doh go no fetes (not even the ones I get comps to), & I doh play mas in no band.

Like it or not, a whole lot of people & businesses rely on the upward bump in revenue generated during Carnival season. From clothing retailers to caterers to taxi drivers & many others. Many persons do find at least temporary jobs for the season spanning from December & going all the way through to Easter. Eliminate Carnival & the business community as well as the lower rungs of society will feel the pinch.
Additionally, it's not so easy to disband an such a long standing tradition that so many people actually look forward to. Keep in mind, it's been a part of our culture for much longer than we've been an independent nation, even though it has evolved over time to become the festival of debauchery it is today. Also, let us all be realistic & honest about this. We all know that if any gov't decides to dispose of the Carnival tradition, that regime would have just chosen to play political Russian roulette with itself. They wouldn't be too sure to ever win the next election, or any election after that after making such a maneuver, hence the reason you never hear anyone on either side making any kind of statements (whether jokingly or seriously) about bringing an end to Carnival.

[Slartibartfast]

How is it NOW pushing the limit?

To be honest, the current economic circumstances may very well force Carnival to become limited in the future. True there are still fetes going on, but there are less when one considers years past and as the economic situation unfolds more may go the same way.

We may find that fetes go either one way or the other, they may be ultra-exclusive or mass market basic as time wears on, but more importantly they may not be tapping into the audiences that they used to.

I know folks like to say that people will be taking out "Carnival Loans" but this too may become a rare thing as financing becomes a problem in general not for the banks, speaking about the average man.

Another point to note is splitting of the stage from Queens' Park to include Soca Drome, and the added competition for mas goers from events like Machel Mondays. These things may further split the market and create greater exclusivity and this may drive prices higher, further limiting participation. This has been a part of our past, where certain bands catered to certain clientele much to exclusion of most what followed was the "die-hard mas men". With the economic booms we had this massive swell in the middle class and the middle ground and the growth in this commercial carnival we now see.

The future might see the Soca Drome being the it spot for the rich who want to flash, Machel Mondays may also be the venue for those as well although normal folks could buy in but again with exclusivity prices may go up. Queens park will be for the "Die Hards" and such...I don't really know what to say about Queens' Park really...

Even if you factor in the diaspora this is small and they won't really grow or expand the industry.

Long and short of it, you don't need to ban Carnival, it may very well succumb to the harsh economic situation and shrink. Look at the trouble pan is in.

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[zoom rader]

No amount of money made in carnival is equal to the lost of a life.

Right now the PNM murder rate is 50 and counting .

Ban the fuvking ting

[88sins]

No amount of money made in carnival is equal to the lost of a life.

Right now the PNM murder rate is 50 and counting .

Ban the fuvking ting

not sure if you noticed, but murders don't only occur between new year's and ash Wednesday, and doesn't fluctuate with changes of whatever dim witted politicians takes office. our homicide rate has more to do with the youngsters of today's society having no regard for the sanctity of life during the course of their lifespan than it does with 2 days worth of grinding on a random bamsee in the savannah while drunk af

[timelapse]

It is a relic of colonialism and slavery.Ban it.Where the SJWs at that wanted to take down Columbus' statue?

[justheretoreadthecomments]

No amount of money made in carnival is equal to the lost of a life.

Right now the PNM murder rate is 50 and counting .

Ban the fuvking ting

If is pests loosing lives, then I could probably live with that.

[Dizzy28]

Don't ban it but reduce the Government's responsibilities and let the private sector take it over.

For example why the fcuk must taxpayers pay for a stage every single year?

[agent007]

I don't mind the fetes but when the sufferers plant they seeds in other sufferers and we have another generation growing up without fathers and for those that still together but demand free HDC house cause they have a battalion of babies but with no job and a place to stay, yet tax payers have to fund their lifestyle! It can be a burden on the people of this country. There are better things to invest in than a criminal breeding franchise.

[ek4ever]

No amount of money made in carnival is equal to the lost of a life.

Right now the PNM murder rate is 50 and counting .

Ban the fuvking ting

If is pests loosing lives, then I could probably live with that.

Agreed

[hydroep]

They cyar ban that, dais T&T's version of the Purge. If allyuh think people have mental issues and crime bad now leh dem take away people chance to "free up" themselves and "ease de tension" nuh...

[tr1ad]

OP hit up gym from now, make the right contacts.... you'll get the fete ticket for 2020 and Ashleigh WILL give you the wickedest slam next year

[Ben_spanna]

Not sure about a BAN, but when people Blatently break the laws of the roadway, drive dangerously on the wrong side of the road to avoid traffic, park Illegally because they are too ignorant and lazy to walk, and then drive home intoxicated after the party endangering everyones safety... then better policing needs to be put in place for all events.
Every time theres a big party down Chaguramas there should be multiple Police posts along that roadway... anyone breaking the law should be charged and given a mandatory One WEEK JAIL sentence that would hinder you from obtaining any visa or good police character report for the future....

[zoom rader]

Problay better to bann PNM ppl than carnival

[matr1x]

Carnival is for the cows to relax from their usual pasture....