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Re: Petrotrin refinery shut down

Postby Kickstart » July 12th, 2022, 2:36 pm

De Dragon wrote:
alfa wrote:
Gladiator wrote:
K_J_R wrote:
wing wrote:
sMASH wrote:Petrotrin was OVERALL profitable. There was bad spending, but it still was in the black.
And things like income tax and bitumen etc was ways it contributed more to the country than just the profit or made.


The only ting that was problematic was the bullet payment to the Malcom jones wgtl loan.

If they could have paid that then kept the refinery running for one year, it would have been available to accept guyana crude...
And would be the best decision ever.
X1000000000


most ah d ppl in trinidad supported d shutdown and still do.

logic doh apply here dan.
They only support it because of racial politics and or PNM propaganda...

Lots of people were envious because of not getting to work there as well, that coupled with the PNM propoganda machine and lack of counteraction by the union made the whole of T&T despise Petrotrin workers

There was sheit going on there in terms of corruption, mismanagement and low productivity. People were before the courts. LFD RFD PNM decided on a one paragraph opinion, from the same lawyer who advised them that they had a case :? that they didn't have a case. Tight Shirt withdraws the case. Said lawyer is now totally discredited and a criminal, but still being used for political aims by the LFD RFD PNM, with the meddling of the former AG (again!).
That said, NOT A SINGLE ONE of the 74 million dollars worth of reports made any recommendation of shuttering the refinery, so it seems that it was profitable for someone in the LFD RFD PNM to shutter it at that time. Further evidence of the arsery is the sham "sale" of the refinery that has been dragging on now for years. Meanwhile with Venezuela's reopening of their oil/gas the crude seems destined for their own refineries, which, in spite of their being 100 times worse off than us, they never sold, shut down or otherwise facked away.
Way to go LFD RFD PNM!
Way to go JUHN Scarfy!
Way to go Guy Smiley!
Way to go OWTU!
Way to go AV!
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Re: Petrotrin refinery shut down

Postby K_J_R » July 12th, 2022, 2:37 pm

De Dragon wrote:
alfa wrote:
Gladiator wrote:
K_J_R wrote:
wing wrote:
sMASH wrote:Petrotrin was OVERALL profitable. There was bad spending, but it still was in the black.
And things like income tax and bitumen etc was ways it contributed more to the country than just the profit or made.


The only ting that was problematic was the bullet payment to the Malcom jones wgtl loan.

If they could have paid that then kept the refinery running for one year, it would have been available to accept guyana crude...
And would be the best decision ever.
X1000000000


most ah d ppl in trinidad supported d shutdown and still do.

logic doh apply here dan.
They only support it because of racial politics and or PNM propaganda...

Lots of people were envious because of not getting to work there as well, that coupled with the PNM propoganda machine and lack of counteraction by the union made the whole of T&T despise Petrotrin workers

There was sheit going on there in terms of corruption, mismanagement and low productivity. People were before the courts. LFD RFD PNM decided on a one paragraph opinion, from the same lawyer who advised them that they had a case :? that they didn't have a case. Tight Shirt withdraws the case. Said lawyer is now totally discredited and a criminal, but still being used for political aims by the LFD RFD PNM, with the meddling of the former AG (again!).
That said, NOT A SINGLE ONE of the 74 million dollars worth of reports made any recommendation of shuttering the refinery, so it seems that it was profitable for someone in the LFD RFD PNM to shutter it at that time. Further evidence of the arsery is the sham "sale" of the refinery that has been dragging on now for years. Meanwhile with Venezuela's reopening of their oil/gas the crude seems destined for their own refineries, which, in spite of their being 100 times worse off than us, they never sold, shut down or otherwise facked away.
Way to go LFD RFD PNM!
Way to go JUHN Scarfy!
Way to go Guy Smiley!
Way to go OWTU!
Way to go AV!


allyuh too wicked.

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Re: Petrotrin refinery shut down

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Re: Petrotrin refinery shut down

Postby timelapse » July 20th, 2022, 7:53 am

All that and the red and racist crew will still be Wakanda forever!

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Re: Petrotrin refinery shut down

Postby De Dragon » July 20th, 2022, 4:18 pm

timelapse wrote:All that and the red and racist crew will still be Wakanda forever!

The same JackFack crew bawling about "gyass price" :roll:

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Re: Petrotrin refinery shut down

Postby K_J_R » July 21st, 2022, 12:17 pm

sMASH wrote:https://www.tv6tnt.com/news/7pmnews/ramnarine-the-refinery-may-never-restart/article_c8b507ac-07d7-11ed-a92d-2f4faeab3cee.html



d ppl wanted this and voted for this and support closure.

so no loss to the avg trini if it never restarts.

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Re: Petrotrin refinery shut down

Postby De Dragon » July 21st, 2022, 1:10 pm

K_J_R wrote:
sMASH wrote:https://www.tv6tnt.com/news/7pmnews/ramnarine-the-refinery-may-never-restart/article_c8b507ac-07d7-11ed-a92d-2f4faeab3cee.html



LFD RFD PNM wanted this and voted for this and support closure.

so a huge loss to the avg trini if it never restarts.

Fixed it for ya!

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Re: Petrotrin refinery shut down

Postby sMASH » July 21st, 2022, 9:55 pm

Bonx up a former coworker today working niquan now, he call some names that get hired to commission Niquan... That plant will produce soon.

They pull some of the best in the country

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Re: Petrotrin refinery shut down

Postby wing » July 22nd, 2022, 4:14 am

sMASH wrote:Bonx up a former coworker today working niquan now, he call some names that get hired to commission Niquan... That plant will produce soon.

They pull some of the best in the country
Does this contradict what Ramnarine was saying, since the niquan/wgtl plant was in a much worse state than the rest of the refinery. Maybe we shouldn't be so quick to eat up soundbites and clickbait before proper analysis.

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Re: Petrotrin refinery shut down

Postby sMASH » July 22nd, 2022, 4:39 am

wing wrote:
sMASH wrote:Bonx up a former coworker today working niquan now, he call some names that get hired to commission Niquan... That plant will produce soon.

They pull some of the best in the country
Does this contradict what Ramnarine was saying, since the niquan/wgtl plant was in a much worse state than the rest of the refinery. Maybe we shouldn't be so quick to eat up soundbites and clickbait before proper analysis.

no. the plant itself IS rubbish, little more than scrap iron. the difference is, the men that get hired to commission it now, is top notch and will sort it in no time flat. what ever have to change, whatever have to fix they will figure it out. i only knew a few names he called, but overall is men that whole life portfolios is commissioning plants and doing TAR's, local and foreign

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Re: Petrotrin refinery shut down

Postby wing » July 22nd, 2022, 5:28 am

sMASH wrote:
wing wrote:
sMASH wrote:Bonx up a former coworker today working niquan now, he call some names that get hired to commission Niquan... That plant will produce soon.

They pull some of the best in the country
Does this contradict what Ramnarine was saying, since the niquan/wgtl plant was in a much worse state than the rest of the refinery. Maybe we shouldn't be so quick to eat up soundbites and clickbait before proper analysis.

no. the plant itself IS rubbish, little more than scrap iron. the difference is, the men that get hired to commission it now, is top notch and will sort it in no time flat. what ever have to change, whatever have to fix they will figure it out. i only knew a few names he called, but overall is men that whole life portfolios is commissioning plants and doing TAR's, local and foreign
You answered my question, yes it is possible with the right people and funding to get the refinery going again. The problem is the government cannot be trusted to make the correct decision in the best interest of the country. Once again it boils down to a purely political decision, while workers suffering outside.

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Re: Petrotrin refinery shut down

Postby Kickstart » July 22nd, 2022, 7:24 am

wing wrote:
sMASH wrote:
wing wrote:
sMASH wrote:Bonx up a former coworker today working niquan now, he call some names that get hired to commission Niquan... That plant will produce soon.

They pull some of the best in the country
Does this contradict what Ramnarine was saying, since the niquan/wgtl plant was in a much worse state than the rest of the refinery. Maybe we shouldn't be so quick to eat up soundbites and clickbait before proper analysis.

no. the plant itself IS rubbish, little more than scrap iron. the difference is, the men that get hired to commission it now, is top notch and will sort it in no time flat. what ever have to change, whatever have to fix they will figure it out. i only knew a few names he called, but overall is men that whole life portfolios is commissioning plants and doing TAR's, local and foreign
You answered my question, yes it is possible with the right people and funding to get the refinery going again. The problem is the government cannot be trusted to make the correct decision in the best interest of the country. Once again it boils down to a purely political decision, while workers suffering outside.


People voted for that

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Re: Petrotrin refinery shut down

Postby De Dragon » July 23rd, 2022, 10:44 am

sMASH wrote:
wing wrote:
sMASH wrote:Bonx up a former coworker today working niquan now, he call some names that get hired to commission Niquan... That plant will produce soon.

They pull some of the best in the country
Does this contradict what Ramnarine was saying, since the niquan/wgtl plant was in a much worse state than the rest of the refinery. Maybe we shouldn't be so quick to eat up soundbites and clickbait before proper analysis.

no. the plant itself IS rubbish, little more than scrap iron. the difference is, the men that get hired to commission it now, is top notch and will sort it in no time flat. what ever have to change, whatever have to fix they will figure it out. i only knew a few names he called, but overall is men that whole life portfolios is commissioning plants and doing TAR's, local and foreign

Doubtful, you cannot polish a turd, so if the plant has fundamental issues or design flaws, the best commissioning team in the world cannot sort that out.

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Re: Petrotrin refinery shut down

Postby sMASH » July 23rd, 2022, 10:47 am

De Dragon wrote:
sMASH wrote:
wing wrote:
sMASH wrote:Bonx up a former coworker today working niquan now, he call some names that get hired to commission Niquan... That plant will produce soon.

They pull some of the best in the country
Does this contradict what Ramnarine was saying, since the niquan/wgtl plant was in a much worse state than the rest of the refinery. Maybe we shouldn't be so quick to eat up soundbites and clickbait before proper analysis.

no. the plant itself IS rubbish, little more than scrap iron. the difference is, the men that get hired to commission it now, is top notch and will sort it in no time flat. what ever have to change, whatever have to fix they will figure it out. i only knew a few names he called, but overall is men that whole life portfolios is commissioning plants and doing TAR's, local and foreign

Doubtful, you cannot polish a turd, so if the plant has fundamental issues or design flaws, the best commissioning team in the world cannot sort that out.

the kinda men they pull, is top dollar they shell out. so i thinking, they will take the recomendations to change out what ever equipment as well.
i jess suspect that the previous crew to start up was a settah yes men. this rongs different. i will mention one name: farmer.
if dem eh do what he say, he will ride out .

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Re: Petrotrin refinery shut down

Postby timelapse » July 23rd, 2022, 11:16 am

sMASH wrote:
De Dragon wrote:
sMASH wrote:
wing wrote:
sMASH wrote:Bonx up a former coworker today working niquan now, he call some names that get hired to commission Niquan... That plant will produce soon.

They pull some of the best in the country
Does this contradict what Ramnarine was saying, since the niquan/wgtl plant was in a much worse state than the rest of the refinery. Maybe we shouldn't be so quick to eat up soundbites and clickbait before proper analysis.

no. the plant itself IS rubbish, little more than scrap iron. the difference is, the men that get hired to commission it now, is top notch and will sort it in no time flat. what ever have to change, whatever have to fix they will figure it out. i only knew a few names he called, but overall is men that whole life portfolios is commissioning plants and doing TAR's, local and foreign

Doubtful, you cannot polish a turd, so if the plant has fundamental issues or design flaws, the best commissioning team in the world cannot sort that out.

the kinda men they pull, is top dollar they shell out. so i thinking, they will take the recomendations to change out what ever equipment as well.
i jess suspect that the previous crew to start up was a settah yes men. this rongs different. i will mention one name: farmer.
if dem eh do what he say, he will ride out .
Ian jump in?Its about to go down

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Re: Petrotrin refinery shut down

Postby The_Honourable » August 5th, 2022, 9:32 pm

Patriotic still open, ready to acquire refinery

Patriotic Energies and Technologies is still ready to acquire the Guaracara refinery if Government wants to re-engage the company, says OWTU's Ozzie Warwick director of Patriotic Energies and Technologies Limited.

And, according to him, Patriotic was always prepared to be flexible.

Warwick spoke yesterday after Prime Minister Dr Keith Rowley on Monday indicated that the most recent request for proposals (RFP) for the refinery "is on its last legs." He added the State had gotten to the point of dealing with one company - but those discussions hadn't been concluded and at this time "don't appear to be very promising."

Rowley said once it's determined that the people they are dealing with "can't come up with what they say they can come up with," Government will then discontinue. He said if the refinery is to be used by any person/entity who comes with the terms the Government can accept, it will be considered.

In May after Government stated a preferred bidder was selected, Opposition Senator Wade Mark queried the RFP process asking if the bidder was US-based Quanten LLC.

Mark had expressed concerns about that company.

Minister of Energy Stuart Young subsequently said Trinidad Petroleum Holdings Ltd along with advisors and international experts were handling the process and it was narrowed down to one entity. He also said Quanten was engaged in the RFP process and various arms of the US Government had communicated with him with respect to Quanten indicating the latter's interest in the RPF and there was support for the company, being an American-based entity.

However, Rowley's comment on Monday raised questions on further new bidders.

Patriotic had submitted three bids for the refinery since it was closed in 2018.

Yesterday OWTU's Warwick said, "The door has never been closed where we're concerned - we didn't close it, Government did but we're still interested and ready to acquire the refinery if they so desire. Particularly more so now to secure the national interest due to economic challenges facing T&T."

Warwick said while it doesn't mean bidding again, Patriotic is ready and prepared at any time to sit down and re-engage.

"Workers' blood and sweat went into that refinery - once closed, it signifies a loss to T&T."

He cited OWTU president general Ancel Roget's Labour day statements. Warick added, "He reminded T&T that Patriotic won the bid, had the money and experienced workers and that Patriotic 'was and is still ready to purchase, refurbish and restart the refinery'

"Mr Roget also pointed out Government in a 'conniving, underhanded way' closed the process in the middle of the negotiations," Warick added.

Warwick said the huge lien on the refinery was the issue with Patriotic's bid and will always be the issue. But he said Patriotic was always prepared to be flexible. He added Patriotic maintains communication with its partners and the partners are also flexible.

"Time is of the essence. Since the first bid we pointed out that every day the assets were being devalued and that increases health and safety risks because of the hydrocarbons involved in that sector - the longer it's down, there's an automatic increased risk for health and safety, he said.

"Rather than continue trying to mislead the population the PM needs to be honest about the fact that Petrotrin's closure is hurting the people and let's find a way to get our refinery running again in the people's interest."

Source: https://www.guardian.co.tt/news/patriot ... ad0b2a246c

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Re: Petrotrin refinery shut down

Postby Cantmis » August 5th, 2022, 11:09 pm

Aye smash where my union money !

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Re: Petrotrin refinery shut down

Postby pjfred » August 6th, 2022, 7:55 am

Rumors are the company that was to purchase the refinery has reneged stating that they will not partner with any Venezuelan counterparts as instructed by the oreo. Maduro has himself locked in deep with this govt, as maduro stated in a news briefing I paid you money and quoted values in USD. Is tnt for sale or sold?

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Re: Petrotrin refinery shut down

Postby hover11 » August 6th, 2022, 7:59 am

How long can this refinery be out of for commission for without hefty maintenance costs incurring?

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Re: Petrotrin refinery shut down

Postby sMASH » August 6th, 2022, 2:39 pm

Cantmis wrote:Aye smash where my union money !

every ting that IIIII collect, went by roget.. if other people collect, then meem know... lol.

all the yellow forms there too,

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Re: Petrotrin refinery shut down

Postby matix » August 6th, 2022, 3:53 pm

sMASH wrote:
Cantmis wrote:Aye smash where my union money !

every ting that IIIII collect, went by roget.. if other people collect, then meem know... lol.

all the yellow forms there too,


@Smash, when last you went in the refinery?

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Re: Petrotrin refinery shut down

Postby gastly369 » August 6th, 2022, 3:57 pm

hover11 wrote:How long can this refinery be out of for commission for without hefty maintenance costs incurring?
Let's just say by the time the refinery commissioned u may be 6ft under already

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Re: Petrotrin refinery shut down

Postby sMASH » August 6th, 2022, 4:32 pm

matix wrote:
sMASH wrote:
Cantmis wrote:Aye smash where my union money !

every ting that IIIII collect, went by roget.. if other people collect, then meem know... lol.

all the yellow forms there too,


@Smash, when last you went in the refinery?

nah nah, not there. a different site. we NEARRRRLY give roget a whole other site in the oil/gas.

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Re: Petrotrin refinery shut down

Postby The_Honourable » August 31st, 2022, 12:33 pm

Might as well since nobody else interested?

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Re: Petrotrin refinery shut down

Postby hover11 » October 9th, 2022, 5:18 pm

Former Petrotrin Workers and members of the Oilfield Workers Trade Union, led by President of the OWTU Pointe a Pierre branch Christopher Jackman, as they staged a protest outside the closed Petrotrin Refinery in Pointe a Pierre demanding the government opened the refinery on Sunday 9 October 2022.
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Re: Petrotrin refinery shut down

Postby gastly369 » October 9th, 2022, 5:32 pm

hover11 wrote:Former Petrotrin Workers and members of the Oilfield Workers Trade Union, led by President of the OWTU Pointe a Pierre branch Christopher Jackman, as they staged a protest outside the closed Petrotrin Refinery in Pointe a Pierre demanding the government opened the refinery on Sunday 9 October 2022.
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Re: Petrotrin refinery shut down

Postby death365 » October 9th, 2022, 5:43 pm

Oil is back to almost $100 today ....

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Re: Petrotrin refinery shut down

Postby DMan7 » October 9th, 2022, 5:54 pm

hover11 wrote:Former Petrotrin Workers and members of the Oilfield Workers Trade Union, led by President of the OWTU Pointe a Pierre branch Christopher Jackman, as they staged a protest outside the closed Petrotrin Refinery in Pointe a Pierre demanding the government opened the refinery on Sunday 9 October 2022.
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I hope you lining up to support them?

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Re: Petrotrin refinery shut down

Postby K74T » November 30th, 2022, 8:34 am

4 years today since the closure of Petrotrin...

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Re: Petrotrin refinery shut down

Postby Rovin » November 30th, 2022, 11:25 am

doh study dat , everybody jes wave a baliser & shout GRATE IZ DEE PEE N EMM ....

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