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Re: Race and Crime

Postby ruffneck_12 » April 26th, 2018, 11:00 am

Ben_spanna wrote:take a Really good unbiased look at every single Country around the world that WAs/is governed by people of African background , do you see similarities in ALL of them? how many are actually successful and how many crash and are now the worst places to live with the highest crime rates and lowest quality of life?
Everywhere the criminal statistics are based on the ethnic composition of the respected country............in the far East in sure its Asians that make up the majority of the criminals, in India its probably the Indians and so forth, its no different here.... facts are we have a majority of our population that are African, its not a racial issue...its just facts.....



I have a theory that as people moved out of Africa, their physical attributes were weakened, but their mental abilities increased.

Which is why Japan can recover after being nuked twice but Africa selling diamonds at the price of gravel.
And it would also explain the BBC genetics and why Asians have to exercise for 8 years to get the body of an African who just lifted a barbell once.

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Re: Race and Crime

Postby Daran » April 26th, 2018, 4:20 pm

Ben_spanna wrote:take a Really good unbiased look at every single Country around the world that WAs/is governed by people of African background , do you see similarities in ALL of them? how many are actually successful and how many crash and are now the worst places to live with the highest crime rates and lowest quality of life?
Everywhere the criminal statistics are based on the ethnic composition of the respected country............in the far East in sure its Asians that make up the majority of the criminals, in India its probably the Indians and so forth, its no different here.... facts are we have a majority of our population that are African, its not a racial issue...its just facts.....


You start off good but then u added a totally disconnected point.

Anyway Trinidad is majority Indian padna.

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Re: Race and Crime

Postby abducted » April 26th, 2018, 5:19 pm

Ben_spanna wrote:take a Really good unbiased look at every single Country around the world that WAs/is governed by people of African background , do you see similarities in ALL of them? how many are actually successful and how many crash and are now the worst places to live with the highest crime rates and lowest quality of life?
Everywhere the criminal statistics are based on the ethnic composition of the respected country............in the far East in sure its Asians that make up the majority of the criminals, in India its probably the Indians and so forth, its no different here.... facts are we have a majority of our population that are African, its not a racial issue...its just facts.....

Did you mean RESPECTIVE country? Your facts are weak, Obama was arguably the best president of the United States in recent times, not sure if you noticed he is black, El Salvador is the most crime infested country in the Western Hemisphere, El Salvador's population is composed of Mestizos, whites, and indigenous peoples. Eighty-six percent of Salvadorans are of mestizo ancestry, having mixed indigenous and European ancestry, NOT blacks, Venezuela is about to collapse, crime and corruption is rampant, only 2.8% of the population identifies as "black", you know what Venezuelans look like.

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Re: Race and Crime

Postby ruffneck_12 » April 26th, 2018, 7:51 pm

Obama didn't come from Somalia or Detroit you know

Race and culture is different, but go hand in hand.

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Re: Race and Crime

Postby The_Honourable » April 26th, 2018, 9:02 pm

The following comes from a 2012 report titled "No time to quit: Engaging Youth at Risk. Executive Report of the Committee on Young Males and Crime in Trinidad and Tobago." This report was done by Professor Selwyn Ryan, Dr Indira Rampersad, Dr Lennox Bernard, Professor Patricia Mohammed, and Dr Majourie Thorpe.

It's long but it's good.

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Re: Race and Crime

Postby The_Honourable » April 26th, 2018, 9:04 pm

Pages 26-28: "No time to quit: Engaging Youth at Risk. Executive Report of the Committee on Young Males and Crime in Trinidad and Tobago."

In a recently published study on Race, Ethnicity, Crime and Criminal Justice in the Americas (2012), Anita Kalunta-Crumpton presents an analysis of race and ethnicity in the perpetration of crime and violence in the Latin American and Caribbean region. The picture emerging for Trinidad is not a happy sight for ethnic marking of categories. A case study on crimes committed by Afro- and Indo-Trinidadian youth provides an understanding of and explanations for acts of crime and violence dominated by a particular ethnic group. Shaped by a colonial past, Trinidad and Tobago developed concentrations of crime and violence within urban centres, primarily among Afro-Trinidadians. The book highlights the rise in gang violence in Trinidad and Tobago as being concentrated in predominantly African communities. Supporting data suggested that 83% of the gangs in Trinidad were African while 13% were East Indian. Increases in violent crimes were also linked to drug trafficking.

A 2006 report of the Ministry of National Security indicated that 65% of the serious crimes in Trinidad were linked to the drug trade. Additionally, data on the race of those arrested for narcotics trafficking identified Afro-Trinidadians as being disproportionately involved in this crime. Between 2008 and 2009 half of the persons arrested for narcotics trafficking were of African descent. Studies on gang crime also revealed that African youth and those belonging to the race labelled ‘other’ were most likely current gang members, followed by East Indians. Afro-Trinidadians were also found to be more likely to report carrying a gun than East Indians. Studies of juvenile homes reveal that more Afro-Trinidadian youth are living in juvenile homes than East Indian youth. Of all convicted inmates, at all six prisons in Trinidad in 2007, 61% were African while 26% were East Indian. The data further revealed that 36% Afro-Trinidadian inmates were incarcerated for narcotics related offences, compared to 33% East Indians. Conversely, Afro-Trinidadians were identified as victims of shootings at a disproportionate rate based on police data.

An undated but recent study carried out on the Youth Training Centres of Trinidad and Tobago under the auspices of the National Drug Council and the Trinidad and Tobago Prison Service on the Detection and Prevalence of Substance Abuse and Related Issues among Juvenile Offenders at three juvenile centres – the Youth Training Centre (YTC), St Michael’s Home for Boys and St Jude’s Home for Girls, provided the following statistics by gender and ethnicity on its inmates. The total number of inmates at the YTC was 201, at St Michael’s Home for Boys, 50 and at St Jude’s Home for Girls, 49. Of the total population in the facilities, 251 or 83.7% were males and 49 or 16.3 % were females. While the age grouping spanned under 14 to 19 years, 63% of the population were between 14 and 17 years of age. A larger proportion of East Indians (81%) tended to be over 15 yrs old compared to Africans (68%) and those of “other origins” (71%). However, proportion-wise there were notably more Africans (7%) under 14 yrs old compared to both East Indians and those of “other origins”.

The report noted that: “Of this group, sixty-one percent (about six in every ten) of respondents in the study were of African descent and 12% were of East Indian descent. A further 22% were classified as “other origins”. The vast majority of the population at each institution was of African descent - more than half (58%) the population at the YTC, eight of ten (88.9%) at St Michael’s Home for Boys and six often (63%) at St Jude’s Home for Girls. East Indians made up 15% and 16% of the population at the YTC and St Jude’s respectively and a very small proportion at St Michael’s Home for Boys (2%)”. Results of the study confirmed perceptions about ethnicity. It was found that boys and girls of African descent were significantly more likely to be sent to these institutions compared to boys and girls of East Indian or “other origins”.

The Summary of the Drug Abuse Monitoring Project Among Inmates from all Prisons in Trinidad and Tobago supports these findings: “A typical male inmate was a single person of African origin, about 34 yrs old working in the service industry or as a labourer, completed high school or a lower level of education; that all age groups were more or less equally distributed among the ethnic groups; that about twice as many East Indians compared to those of African and mixed origin had no formal schooling; that half of all respondents of African origin, 56% of East Indian and 49% of those of mixed race were in full-time employment before incarceration; that a little more than half of those offenders of African origin were on remand and that convicted offenders were more likely to be East Indians (51.3%)”.

There is obvious justification for the focus on young black males as a group particularly at risk, but the mandate with which the committee is charged i.e To Identify the at-risk groups in the society in terms of age, gender, social class, ethnicity, occupation and geography also needs to ensure that other at risk groups, young men of other ethnic groups, and the young women who are by definition caught in this growing spiral, young women are considered for holistic solutions. The following data confirms the need to scrutinize the condition of other populations in this age group, including non-nationals who are excluded in the definition of citizen but who live and work in the territory. Survey data from the National Drug Council Youth Training Centres of Trinidad and Tobago and the Trinidad and Tobago Prison Service on the Detection and Prevalence of Substance Abuse and Related Issues among Juvenile Offenders reveals that substance use and abuse affects all youth. While there appeared to be no current marijuana use or abuse reported for girls, one-third of males at the YTC and one quarter at St Michael’s reported marijuana use in the month prior to the survey. Current cigarette use was slightly higher among East Indians (60%) compared to Africans (58%) and those of “other origins” (55%). However, current alcohol use was slightly higher among Africans (11%) compared to the others. In terms of current marijuana use, it was slightly higher among those of “other origins” (27%) compared to Africans (24%) and East Indians (22%).

While young African males are a primary category at risk, the issues pertaining to criminal or potentially harmful involvement of Indo-Trinidadian males remain on the agenda of masculinity and crime. In an attempt to explain the Indian male involvement, Selwyn Ryan suggests that in the past, Hindu family networks helped to attenuate the problems faced by the pathologies of indenture. But that family resource is now under more economic and social stress than was traditionally the case. He noted that there is also said to be an unacceptably high incidence of spousal abuse. A successful Hindu businessman may sponsor a puja, it is said, but beyond that, it is “everyman for himself”. Gangs are also beginning to appear in the schools and “warm spots” located in areas of central Trinidad which have large Indian populations. It is further argued that unlike what obtains in many Christian and Muslim communities, there are few institutions- temples and mosques- which have rehabilitation as their core mission and which encourage miscreants to modify their behavior. The “crabs in the barrel” syndrome is also said to be much in evidence. Instead of cooperating to achieve certain goals, Indians, so it is said, pull each other down and have difficulty working together, since success is taken to indicate that those remaining behind are underachievers. The successful are pulled back into the barrel.

Young Indian males are also patterning their behavior on Afro-youth and are themselves mimicking the music and other cultural behaviors imported from Jamaica, Black America and urban Trinidad. The Indian family however remains more resilient and risk resistant than its Afro-Trinidadian counterpart and has so far been better able to address the issues that afflict the creole family. The “evidence”, such as it is, points to the conclusion that the Indian family, extended and nuclear, is still viable and support their young members, while the single parent is still prevalent in “Hot Spot” type communities where Afro-Trinidadians predominate. The statistics indicate that all groups and genders face challenges, even if some are more represented than others and that while we focus on masculinity and crime, the recommendations must embrace the wider catchment of a youthful population.

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Re: Race and Crime

Postby The_Honourable » April 26th, 2018, 9:12 pm

Another excerpt from the same report:

Are Young men of African Descent more at risk than those of Indian Descent?

Little Black Boys were not always the problem which they have recently become. Perhaps they suffered in silence. Either that or the national consciousness became sharper around the turn of the millennium. In response to this sharpened consciousness, a suite of programmes were put in place by competing political parties, since both parties recognized that electoral victory was largely determined by how well each responded to the problems which had become visible to all. Some of the programmes proposed focused on reforming the schools which had become “armed” camps, while others involved the setting up of “alternative” training schemes to encourage young drop-outs to complete their schooling by taking remedial programmes, all with the aim of enhancing their marketability and their knowledge of life enhancing skills.

If there is an “at risk” element, the paradoxical causes have to do with increasing family wealth and the relaxation of effort that is associated with this wealth. The young are not as motivated as were their parents, and more likely to be seduced by risky life styles, conspicuous and instant consumption, substance abuse (ganja, powdered cocaine, alcohol, and heavy partying).

A great deal of attention has been given to the factors which nourish and facilitate gang activity in Laventille and Morvant. The employment and gang crisis in the Beetham Gardens and Sea Lots, however, also demand attention since the areas are “home” for many young black males and contribute significantly to the crime statistics which concern us. At the time of this study, residents of Beetham were insisting amidst smoke from burning tyres that they wanted jobs and community facilities and not hand outs or jails.

Prison data help to throw further light on the issue of ethnicity and crime. We note that while there are many more Afro-Trinis in the prison population, there is a growing Indian presence there as well. In 2011, twenty-eight (28) percent of the prison population were Indian. At the Golden Grove remand yard, there were 493 persons waiting to have their matters determined. Two hundred and sixty-six (266) were African, 145 were mixed, and 82 were Indian. The percentages of Indians in relation to Africans might well have been significantly different were it not for the fact that Indians find it easier to access bail since they command more movable wealth than do Afro-Trinis. Of the convicted “lads” at YTC, 19 were African, 11 were mixed, and 6 were Indians. About 10 percent of the inmates at St Michael’s Boys Home at the time of our visit on March 27, 2012, were Indian. Most were committed for drug offenses. Some were from homes that were well off.

Indians have consistently complained that they were victims of material and cultural marginalization. It was also claimed that because they were located mainly in the centre and south of the island, Indo Trinidadian youth was not able to access the newly established welfare and other remedial programmes that were put in place in the eighties as readily as would those who lived in the urban areas of the north. The fact, however, is that similar complaints were made in respect of Laventille, Morvant, Beetham and Sea Lots which also had to bear the economic and social costs associated with downsizing the Port Authority, the Telephone Company and the migration of industries which once provided jobs for the people of those areas. The data are indeed varied, and the most that one can say is that while there are indeed many clusters of economically poor and dispossessed Indian youth in parts of the country, especially in the deep rural areas of central and south Trinidad, there are few, if any, that resemble what obtains in Laventille and Sea Lots where poverty is generic, widespread, and concentrated. One can of course point to recently developed squatter settlements like “Bangladesh,” and to areas which have had to bear the burdens associated with the closure of the sugar cane industry at Caroni Limited which led to considerable job loss, both in the factory and in industries or enterprises which catered to the industry.

Indira Rampersad has argued that the “notion that young black males alone constitute at risk youths is an erroneous one. The tendency to focus primarily on young Black males has ignored the dynamics in other ethnic communities, particularly the Indian community in central Trinidad”. Research on Edinburgh 500, a community created in Central Trinidad some 15 years ago, revealed that it was occupied mainly by people who came from outside the area. These residents were now claiming “liming” space in the streets and are committing petty crimes and displaying aggressive behaviour in the community.

This concern about people from ‘outside’ coming into Central to settle and commit crimes was supported by a senior police officer. The officer further added that Edinburgh has one gang while the housing scheme in Pt. Lisas Gardens has five rival gangs. In all cases, the ethnicity of the gang members is primarily Afro-Trinidadians while ninety percent of the victims are of non-African descent. He also explained that those coming from outside are involved in the use and sale of drugs - mainly marijuana and cocaine - and are the same persons involved in the home break-ins. In addition, he noted that one bar, ironically nestled between the Chaguanas Police Station and the Court was patronized mainly by Afro-Trinidadians from Enterprise who, over time, have been charged with over thirty offences including firearms, murder, violence and robberies.

The Senior Superintendent continued that the problem in Central including Felicity is not one of drugs but rather one of alcohol abuse particularly amongst the Indian community. He noted that several Hindus have gravitated towards other religions like Pentecostal, Church of the Nazarene and Jehovah Witness so that Felicity is now an area comprised of Hindu Temples, Mosques and Churches of various Christian denominations. He emphasized, however, that alcohol consumption is most prevalent amongst the Hindu community in Felicity as it is in the rest of Central. “Everyone is consuming alcohol”, he affirmed. “One may even argue that women are consuming more than men”. The superintendent observed that the bars and pubs are frequented by more women than men as “every man has a few women around him in these drinking places”. The lower classes tend to frequent the less luxurious “rum shops” but the more affluent can be found in the posh pubs which have sprouted up throughout Central in recent times.

The crisis amongst East Indian then, is generally one of alcohol abuse and domestic violence. This is compounded by a burgeoning middle-class spawned by the education achieved by the generation of parents of today’s youths. The parents of the current generation of Indo-Trinidadian youth sacrificed tremendously to ensure that their children do not suffer the hardships they did when they were growing up. Now, qualified professionals such as lawyers, doctors, entrepreneurs and teachers, tend to have just two or three children, in contrast to their parents who generally had half a dozen or more. They endow their children lavishly with every material comfort and luxury including cars, computers, cell phones, IPads and even apartments. Though some of these youths do well in school and even attend university, they lack the sense of values that accompanies hard work and sacrifice. Those employed have all their salaries to themselves which they use as spending money. As such, they frequently operate in party mode, heavily involved in alcohol and drug consumption. This negates the view that involvement in drug activity is a feature of poverty or lack of employment opportunities. Indeed, it is only the more affluent youths who can regularly afford to consume cocaine powder.

Rampersad’s research supports the notion that the problems being experienced by the two ethnic communities differ and that perhaps we do not need to approach the problem as an either/or but as two different kinds of problems which require different cultural and economic strategies. While we can argue that Indian males are perceived as being less at risk of becoming involved in criminal activity. In addition, the two parent patriarchal Indian family, challenged and stressed as it is, is still the dominant archetype, and is unable to provide anchorage and support for sons who are economically and socially in danger.

With regard to young black males, Ryan has noted that there has been much debate as to who or what is responsible for some of the economic, social and cultural problems being experienced by the black community, whether the problems have been accurately diagnosed, whether the decline is irreparable, and if not, what was to be done or could be done by the community as a whole and black youth in particular. Many blame slavery for some of the ongoing problems of male marginalization. Some felt that slavery was abolished 174 years ago, and should be relegated to the archives of history. Others argue that other individuals and communities had survived similar experiences and had moved on, and that it was time for blacks to stop blaming others and projecting themselves as victims to whom reparation is owed. Shelby Steele, an Afro-American, drawing on the experience of blacks in the United States, has argued in that vein that blacks are their own worse enemies, and that racial victimization is not our real problem.

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Re: Race and Crime

Postby airuma » April 27th, 2018, 8:21 am

ruffneck_12 wrote:It's just the culture of the area.

Throw some beethamites in central/south with vast expanses of land and they will learn to farm and fix car.

Throw some caroni injuns in the overpopulated hills of POS and they will resort to crime.



(this isn't an excuse though, if you are aware of your situation, try to improve it)

So when our Labour Minister got up in Parliament and endorsed that it takes a village to raise a child..... she left out a main word.... GOOD!

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Re: Race and Crime

Postby shake d livin wake d dead » April 27th, 2018, 9:35 pm

No heads would roll...if was ah injun making those statements......all hell break loose...

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Re: Race and Crime

Postby nervewrecker » April 27th, 2018, 10:56 pm

Racing is not a crime ok. Esp on trinituner.
We love to race in here....wait....what?

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Re: Race and Crime

Postby Rovin » April 28th, 2018, 12:11 am

^^^ :lol:


kstt wrote:https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10214314067278882&id=1632622007


i listened to about 40mins & to me he have some points but like he repeating himself , video cud been about 15 mins long , if he said anything different after i stopped listening well my bad

he loss some serious points with X race shud or shud not buy from Y race\s - cant be quoting bible & talking bout god then saying that kinda ting , i sure he eh go refuse a sale from whoever come to patronize his business ... maybe he didnt mean it that way but nowadays u gotta choose ur words very carefully :|

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Re: Race and Crime

Postby zoom rader » April 28th, 2018, 4:23 am

Very Instresting report from Ryan, but he late in the dance as I said all those things years ago and continue to say so.

Who is blame for the black downfall ? its the PNM.

Years ago all trades men and small bussiness owners where Afro trinis, but along came PNM and told them that massa day done, so Afro trinis moved away from those jobs and got into Goverment services dewd and this is where downfall started . PNM does not want Afro trins to move up the ladder.

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Postby The_Honourable » April 28th, 2018, 9:22 am

It's not just the PNM, but the idea that a black person must have one opinion and one choice due to "group-think" is a huge problem. For Trinidad, one of the group-thinks is that Afro-Trinidadians should support the PNM no matter what even if the party treats them poorly. If you dare go outside of that, you will be chastised and even "disowned". It's no different if a black man in the US decides not to support the Democratic Party, worse yet support the Republican party.

You will be called hurtful names like; lick bottom african, house ******, hate yuh own, sell out, traitor, unintelligent, etc... just because you gone against the established groupthink. Talk to a black man or woman who decides to support UNC and you will hear what they went through.

The group-think problem is not just Trinidad, it is a western black problem.

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Re: Race and Crime

Postby Redress10 » April 28th, 2018, 1:39 pm

The_Honourable wrote:It's not just the PNM, but the idea that a black person must have one opinion and one choice due to "group-think" is a huge problem. For Trinidad, one of the group-thinks is that Afro-Trinidadians should support the PNM no matter what even if the party treats them poorly. If you dare go outside of that, you will be chastised and even "disowned". It's no different if a black man in the US decides not to support the Democratic Party, worse yet support the Republican party.

You will be called hurtful names like; lick bottom african, house ******, hate yuh own, sell out, traitor, unintelligent, etc... just because you gone against the established groupthink. Talk to a black man or woman who decides to support UNC and you will hear what they went through.

The group-think problem is not just Trinidad, it is a western black problem.


Cause Indians and the UNC don't suffer from the same group think and don't chastise other indians when they pick the PNM ent?

GTFOH with that bs talk. You coming in here to spread that rubbish and still want people to take ur seriously. Steups

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Postby The_Honourable » April 28th, 2018, 3:04 pm

Redress10 wrote: Cause Indians and the UNC don't suffer from the same group think and don't chastise other indians when they pick the PNM ent?

GTFOH with that bs talk. You coming in here to spread that rubbish and still want people to take ur seriously. Steups


Prove me wrong Redress. Show me an afro-trinidadian who decides to support a political party outside PNM, especially if he/she decides to support the UNC and tell me if he/she will be respectfully left alone with his/her decision? Like men forget about Cro Cro song.

I never said it doesn't happen with Indo-Trinidadians but it's not to the point where a whole community is crippled. Indians have a crab in a barrel syndrome which Selwyn Ryan talked about above. From a political perspective, that is why UNC keeps breaking off into splinter groups (Team Unity, COP, ILP) over the years where most go back when the leader changes. PNM on the other hand is blind loyalty... fortunately some of the supporters waking up.

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Re: Race and Crime

Postby RedVEVO » April 29th, 2018, 12:28 am

zoom rader wrote:I always said our crime problems sterms from illegal immigrants. Good to see Prof Dosaran wrote up on this.


Explain or rethink .

You are proposing the "victimization argument" ?

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Re: Race and Crime

Postby zoom rader » April 29th, 2018, 11:05 am

RedVEVO wrote:
zoom rader wrote:I always said our crime problems sterms from illegal immigrants. Good to see Prof Dosaran wrote up on this.


Explain or rethink .

You are proposing the "victimization argument" ?


I say it as I see it and many other see it the same way. Dosaran and Rayn sugar coat their findings not to offend the mob of PNM diggers

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Re: Race and Crime

Postby Morpheus » April 29th, 2018, 12:25 pm

Yes but it all goes according to what type if crime you talking about eh...

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Re: Race and Crime

Postby The_Honourable » April 29th, 2018, 12:48 pm

Morpheus wrote:Yes but it all goes according to what type if crime you talking about eh...


That's true to be fair. Illegal gambling, money laundering, financing and importation of cocaine and now chemicalized kush is mostly done by Indian and Syrian businessmen. Chinese to a lesser extent. Since they are never brought to justice, and we don't have enough stats to prove like in Selwyn Ryan's report, we have to base it on investigations done by local and foreign security intelligence. Fortunately local author and drug researcher Daurius Figueira who lectures at UWI follows up on this and puts it in his books.

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Re: Race and Crime

Postby eliteauto » April 29th, 2018, 1:10 pm

The_Honourable wrote:
Redress10 wrote: Cause Indians and the UNC don't suffer from the same group think and don't chastise other indians when they pick the PNM ent?

GTFOH with that bs talk. You coming in here to spread that rubbish and still want people to take ur seriously. Steups


Prove me wrong Redress. Show me an afro-trinidadian who decides to support a political party outside PNM, especially if he/she decides to support the UNC and tell me if he/she will be respectfully left alone with his/her decision? Like men forget about Cro Cro song.

I never said it doesn't happen with Indo-Trinidadians but it's not to the point where a whole community is crippled. Indians have a crab in a barrel syndrome which Selwyn Ryan talked about above. From a political perspective, that is why UNC keeps breaking off into splinter groups (Team Unity, COP, ILP) over the years where most go back when the leader changes. PNM on the other hand is blind loyalty... fortunately some of the supporters waking up.


If I may ask a question as we go along you line of thinking The Honourable, the UNC was in Gov't twice, 1995-2001 and 2010-2015, it is statistically impossible for the party to win without Afro-Trini support which is perceived to be prevalent along the E-W corridor and Tobago, so in light of this can you show me examples of the mass rebuke and vitriol against the "groupthink" that you espouse?

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Re: Race and Crime

Postby mero » April 29th, 2018, 1:40 pm

What f*ckery I does be reading on 2nr here lmao.

Honourable you even living Trinidad? Make a spin with this bs you trying to talk.

Minus the gang warfare, you'll find these beloved good injuns right up there starring in the most heinous crimes in the country specifically rape and murder, and not to mention "calling shot" on ppl for the most trivial things, especially their own family members.

Enough with this, all injuns does do is a a lil fraud and beat they father sheit. They just as much involved in all the sheit the bad black PNM people doing .

Stop fooling yuh self

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Re: Race and Crime

Postby ruffneck_12 » April 29th, 2018, 1:53 pm

This is an interesting take on things




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Re: Race and Crime

Postby zoom rader » April 29th, 2018, 3:36 pm

eliteauto wrote:
The_Honourable wrote:
Redress10 wrote: Cause Indians and the UNC don't suffer from the same group think and don't chastise other indians when they pick the PNM ent?

GTFOH with that bs talk. You coming in here to spread that rubbish and still want people to take ur seriously. Steups


Prove me wrong Redress. Show me an afro-trinidadian who decides to support a political party outside PNM, especially if he/she decides to support the UNC and tell me if he/she will be respectfully left alone with his/her decision? Like men forget about Cro Cro song.

I never said it doesn't happen with Indo-Trinidadians but it's not to the point where a whole community is crippled. Indians have a crab in a barrel syndrome which Selwyn Ryan talked about above. From a political perspective, that is why UNC keeps breaking off into splinter groups (Team Unity, COP, ILP) over the years where most go back when the leader changes. PNM on the other hand is blind loyalty... fortunately some of the supporters waking up.


If I may ask a question as we go along you line of thinking The Honourable, the UNC was in Gov't twice, 1995-2001 and 2010-2015, it is statistically impossible for the party to win without Afro-Trini support which is perceived to be prevalent along the E-W corridor and Tobago, so in light of this can you show me examples of the mass rebuke and vitriol against the "groupthink" that you espouse?


It is statistically impossible for UNC to win as PNM keep changing the boundaries and building HDC pig pens in marginal areas.
PNM has never won a fair election to date

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Re: Race and Crime

Postby The_Honourable » April 29th, 2018, 5:33 pm

mero wrote:Minus the gang warfare, you'll find these beloved good injuns right up there starring in the most heinous crimes in the country specifically rape and murder, and not to mention "calling shot" on ppl for the most trivial things, especially their own family members.

Enough with this, all injuns does do is a a lil fraud and beat they father sheit. They just as much involved in all the sheit the bad black PNM people doing .

Stop fooling yuh self


WRONG!

Not same. Different sheit yes hence why I agreed with Morpheus.

Will gladly retract Mero but show me your evidence? "Ah feel" and "ah see" don't count. I stated where I got my logic from. Took 4 pages from a 437 page report as recent as 2012. I can quote more facts and stats from local reports but didn't want to dominate the ched with paragraphs.

ruffneck_12 wrote:This is an interesting take on things


Wanted to post this but since the focus was on T&T, held my hand.

eliteauto wrote:If I may ask a question as we go along you line of thinking The Honourable, the UNC was in Gov't twice, 1995-2001 and 2010-2015, it is statistically impossible for the party to win without Afro-Trini support which is perceived to be prevalent along the E-W corridor and Tobago, so in light of this can you show me examples of the mass rebuke and vitriol against the "groupthink" that you espouse?


That is true. Even today a party can't win without afro-trini support.

There are many afro-trinis who don not support PNM but are not vocal about it simply because they know they will be rebuked for their opinion. They exercise their opinion in the voting booth and talk done. Again, ask afro-trinis who openly support UNC, or another political party besides PNM and they will tell you what they went through. Recall:


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Re: Race and Crime

Postby kstt » May 6th, 2018, 9:06 pm

Found this online

Why are blacks not wealthy*

Excerpts from an interview with a Jewish leader about Blacks.

INTERVIEWER:
Why are blacks so behind Economically?

JEWISH LEADER:
The only thing blacks understand is Consumption.

Blacks don't understand the importance of creating and building wealth.

The fundamental rule is to keep your money within your racial group.

We the Jews
- build Jewish business,
- hire Jewish,
- buy Jewish and
- spend Jewish. There is nothing wrong with that but it is a basic rule blacks cannot comprehend and follow;

"He kills his fellow blacks daily instead of wanting to see his fellow black succeed"

93% of blacks killed in America are by other blacks. The story is not different in Africa.

Their leaders steal from their people and send the money back to their colonial master from whom they borrow the same money from.

Every successful black wants to spend his money in the country of his colonial masters.

They
- go on holiday abroad,
- buy houses abroad,
- school abroad,
- go for medical treatment abroad etc

instead of spending this money in their own country to benefit their people.

Statistics show that the Jew's money exchanges hands 18 times before leaving his community while for blacks it is probably a maximum of once or even zero.

Only 6% of black money goes back into their community. This is why Jews are at the top and blacks are at the bottom of every ladder of society.

Instead of buying
- Louis Vuitton,
- Hermes,
- expensive cars,
- shoes,
-houses,
-dresses etc,

Blacks could
- industralize Africa,
- build banks and get rid of colonial institutions by putting them out of business.

INTERVIEWER:
What is your thought on failure of blacks after 150yrs?

JEWISH LEADER:
Well, nothing is ever the blackman's fault. His
- compulsive habit of killing his own to climb the economic ladder;
- compulsive material consumption;
- tendency to bring down fellow blacks deemed successful or better disposed;
- His inability to build businesses or
- preserve wealth are usually somebody else's fault.

INTERVIEWER:
So what can blacks do to liberate themselves

JEWISH LEADER: Blacks must take responsibility. Blacks must unite. And vehemently fight corrupt leaders who run down their country and run to IMF as though IMF is Father Christmas.

They need to look inwards otherwise they will continuously remain economically colonized and lose their place in history.

Pls forward this until it goes round the Carribean the continent of Africa and the whole world

We all need to learn our lessons quick and build our black race.

TLG

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Re: Race and Crime

Postby kstt » May 6th, 2018, 9:25 pm

Actually got it from this article which had good points but was poorly executed and racist.

http://icdn.today/post/why-most-black-p ... ot-wealthy


NOTE: the common factor in the comments was that the black people blamed everyone, society and situations for everything, EXCEPT THEMSELVES!

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Re: Race and Crime

Postby Monk BANzai » May 6th, 2018, 9:34 pm

You really expect Afro-Trini's to respond to this when you have'nt even shown how Indians (with over 2,000 of its own ethnic groups) within india have kept their version of slavery/child labor/corruption/Rape/ alive for over 2 centuries? On a board/forum thats predominantly Indian?

stop making it a one-sided political conversation and maybe the learned black response will come forth. Race and Crime. Restart your suppositions one those two words....

Nice report (Selwyn Ryan) Honourable. Need to go read that entire thing. if you have a URL link to a PDF inbox me...or post it here.

Thanks.

*edit: found it.

http://www.ttparliament.org/documents/2197.pdf

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Re: Race and Crime

Postby zoom rader » May 7th, 2018, 3:49 am

Monk BANzai wrote:You really expect Afro-Trini's to respond to this when you have'nt even shown how Indians (with over 2,000 of its own ethnic groups) within india have kept their version of slavery/child labor/corruption/Rape/ alive for over 2 centuries? On a board/forum thats predominantly Indian?

stop making it a one-sided political conversation and maybe the learned black response will come forth. Race and Crime. Restart your suppositions one those two words....

Nice report (Selwyn Ryan) Honourable. Need to go read that entire thing. if you have a URL link to a PDF inbox me...or post it here.

Thanks.

*edit: found it.

http://www.ttparliament.org/documents/2197.pdf
Eh bro stop talking chit.

Trini Indians don't live the India and have moved away from tradition Indian culture and customs. Trin Indians are water downs .

Real Indians don't even recognize trini Indos or Caribbean Indians as being pure Indian.

One reason is that Indian nationals cannot indentify what caste carribean Indians fall under. It is very difficult for a trini Indian to marry a Indian National until he/she can prove his caste.

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Re: Race and Crime

Postby shake d livin wake d dead » May 7th, 2018, 6:41 am

Sat Maraj doh think so eh^....he still swear by that caste BS..

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