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unruly_trinidad wrote:Do you think global warming and climate change a/c for the weather pattern changes...omg hurricane irma...and even the heat in trinidad?? One little bit ah rain fall pos flood...smh...but again doh throw ur bottles in the bin, throw it in the drain...etc...
Sundar wrote:So economic progress is more important that the environment? How do you adapt to acid rain? How do you adapt to rising sea levels. Love for money is a hell of a feeling.
The_Honourable wrote:Sundar wrote:So economic progress is more important that the environment? How do you adapt to acid rain? How do you adapt to rising sea levels. Love for money is a hell of a feeling.
Both are important but a balance must be set. You can't stifle innovation and economic progress with expensive regulations. Also, you can't have zero regulations which means you can't pollute willy nilly. Reroute government money to research and development on energy efficiency. There will be competition in the marketplace meaning prices for energy efficient products will eventually come down. The world will then follow suit.
Sea levels rising are regional versus global. Have areas in the world where sea levels are dropping. We are currently gaining Antarctic ice versus loosing it... ask NASA:
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/na ... han-losses
Extreme weather is becoming less extreme. Check the forbes article below who sourced their data from the NOAA:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylo ... 4c8acf55a4
People are realizing that CO2 is not bad as it made out to be. Study the BBC article below :
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-36130346
BTW... don't forget back in the 1970s, people were hysterical about global cooling:
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/jack- ... ngle-story
Sundar wrote:So I just read your quoted links and they say the gain in ice didn't outweigh the loss. And the co2 is still dangerous in excessive levels. Don't you see the smog? Did they plant more trees to absorb the co2? No. The fog gets more thick. The animals die out. Progress must be made.
Slartibartfast wrote:Two things.
1. To climate change deniers, do not get caught thinking that the absence of evidence is the evidence of absence. Just because we cannot conclusively prove something as yet does not mean that it is not true.
But stating the above doest not mean that there will be catastrophic effects of extreme weather iz derived from man made global warming. So how do we close the divide b/t the alarmists vs deniers vs the average man in the street?
2. To climate change supporters (of which I am one), please do not get caught up with alarmist reports, like the way they called Irma the most powerful hurricane ever when there were previous hurricanes with higher wind speeds and lower air pressures.
No problem having an opinion. But on how did u form that opinion?
Thats a place for reasonable people to start a discussion. And reasonable people can be more informed by a discussion even if they disagree with one another.
Final note for both sides.
We are talking about a global system here. A system that can potentially have infinite variables that all interact with each other as part of the system. Please do not expect it to be simple or easy to understand.
Hmmm... thiz iz actually the key principle to understanding climate change. If people can wrap their mind around that they will be much better informed than the majority.
What I want to know is, what is wrong with wanting to strive for "greener" alternatives? Whats the worst that can happen? Why is there such a large resistance to environmental friendliness and sustainability? These are not rhetoric questions, I genuinely want to know.
Nothing iz wrong with greener alternatives.
Wind or solar energy are great when you don't have an alternative. But green energy cant compete economically with electricity from clean burning natural gas. Some countries can afford expensive energy. But can developing countries afford to mimic rich countries?
Venus is hotter due to the greenhouse effect: Venus has an atmosphere about ninety times thicker than that of Earth, and made almost entirely of carbon dioxide, which is one of the gasses that causes the greenhouse effect on Earth.
EFFECTIC DESIGNS wrote:^ Sorry but Venus does prove CO2 is the major cause of the Global WarmingVenus is hotter due to the greenhouse effect: Venus has an atmosphere about ninety times thicker than that of Earth, and made almost entirely of carbon dioxide, which is one of the gasses that causes the greenhouse effect on Earth.
EFFECTIC DESIGNS wrote:Don't get me wrong I agree scientists don't have all the answers but who are you willing to believe the scientists or Alex Jones?
https://www.livescience.com/58407-how-o ... appen.html
With that said we are supposed to be heading into another ice age all now but it isn't happening for a few reasons and CO2 is one of them.
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