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Re: The DIY CCTV camera system thread

Postby 88sins » January 30th, 2021, 9:03 am

eitech wrote:Trying to solve a problem i have goin on awhile now with my hikvision 6 camera system. This all started with my hard drive failing. For what ever reason, the hdd works in a regular pc and not dvr. I tried a regular hdd in the dvr and it works. So i bought the correct surveillance hdd add reinstalled, np. Hdd was detected. While reinstalling the dvr into the shelf all video goes crazy. Im thinking maybe slack wires so i checked all. I did find some slack and fixed all. I even used ferrule logs. Video quality eventually stabilized. So i wanted to test IR mode so i took off my lights early one morning and all video started to go crazy and even no video on some of the cameras but once daylight conditions came , all cameras work perfectly. Was informed that it could be a power issue so i replaced my power supply with a higher rating one, same problem. I tired replacing baluns, same problem. All connections inside and outside ok. I can’t see all the cat5 cable being an issue and i’m at the point questioning all the cameras. So I’m at the point where i may just bring each camera inside and connect directly to dvr and test. Keep in mind all these problems are just seen in night mode. Voltage at each camera approx. 12.5vdc in either mode. Current is >400ma but < 1a in either mode. Anyone have had any similar experience?

Baluns & CAT5? For real? That's what you using? I know plenty ppl use them, and a lot of ppl get problems with them. I suspect that's your problem right there.

This sounding like a power issue, like there's a short somewhere on your lines and also like your power supply can't provide enough juice in IR mode, probably because of power leakage/loss at the point of the short or the degraded condition of the cables.
Taking them all down at once & connecting them all directly to the dvr you most likely won't see the problem, but you shouldn't have to go thru all that to find the line that's causing the issue. Here's a way to test.
During the day, you can get a few foam cups, poke a small hole in the middle of the bottom of each and put them over each camera to trigger the IR mode to stay on. When you go to the monitor, you should see all the white spots of light coming thru the hole in each cup.
If you don't see the dot of light in any, disconnect only the power from each camera, one at a time, till you do see the light on the others. If all the others start working normally when you disconnect any one of them, that line has s problem & needs changing.


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Re: The DIY CCTV camera system thread

Postby eitech » January 30th, 2021, 10:14 am

88sins wrote:
eitech wrote:Trying to solve a problem i have goin on awhile now with my hikvision 6 camera system. This all started with my hard drive failing. For what ever reason, the hdd works in a regular pc and not dvr. I tried a regular hdd in the dvr and it works. So i bought the correct surveillance hdd add reinstalled, np. Hdd was detected. While reinstalling the dvr into the shelf all video goes crazy. Im thinking maybe slack wires so i checked all. I did find some slack and fixed all. I even used ferrule logs. Video quality eventually stabilized. So i wanted to test IR mode so i took off my lights early one morning and all video started to go crazy and even no video on some of the cameras but once daylight conditions came , all cameras work perfectly. Was informed that it could be a power issue so i replaced my power supply with a higher rating one, same problem. I tired replacing baluns, same problem. All connections inside and outside ok. I can’t see all the cat5 cable being an issue and i’m at the point questioning all the cameras. So I’m at the point where i may just bring each camera inside and connect directly to dvr and test. Keep in mind all these problems are just seen in night mode. Voltage at each camera approx. 12.5vdc in either mode. Current is >400ma but < 1a in either mode. Anyone have had any similar experience?

Baluns & CAT5? For real? That's what you using? I know plenty ppl use them, and a lot of ppl get problems with them. I suspect that's your problem right there.

This sounding like a power issue, like there's a short somewhere on your lines and also like your power supply can't provide enough juice in IR mode, probably because of power leakage/loss at the point of the short or the degraded condition of the cables.
Taking them all down at once & connecting them all directly to the dvr you most likely won't see the problem, but you shouldn't have to go thru all that to find the line that's causing the issue. Here's a way to test.
During the day, you can get a few foam cups, poke a small hole in the middle of the bottom of each and put them over each camera to trigger the IR mode to stay on. When you go to the monitor, you should see all the white spots of light coming thru the hole in each cup.
If you don't see the dot of light in any, disconnect only the power from each camera, one at a time, till you do see the light on the others. If all the others start working normally when you disconnect any one of them, that line has s problem & needs changing.


hope you gt.


I have had the system for two years and it was working fine and all i did was remove the dvr to replace the hard drive. One thing i did too was power each camera one by one in ir mode. 4 of them came up good while one had really bright white light and the other had no video. So i decided to power on all the good ones one at a time however any two good ones powered on and the video degrades
The original power supply was 12v 5a. I changed it to 12v 8a.

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Re: The DIY CCTV camera system thread

Postby 88sins » January 30th, 2021, 10:45 am

yup, that's probably the cables. they need to change.
people don't realize that CAT5 cables were never really made to do this, they were just repurposed. they will work, not saying otherwise, but eventually the copper wires in them degrade or even break and then that causes all kinda problems because they can't carry power efficiently.
you can get good quality ready made siamese cables relatively cheap these days.

https://www.amazon.com/ZOSI-100FT-Secur ... nce&sr=1-4

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Re: The DIY CCTV camera system thread

Postby eitech » January 30th, 2021, 1:20 pm

88sins wrote:yup, that's probably the cables. they need to change.
people don't realize that CAT5 cables were never really made to do this, they were just repurposed. they will work, not saying otherwise, but eventually the copper wires in them degrade or even break and then that causes all kinda problems because they can't carry power efficiently.
you can get good quality ready made siamese cables relatively cheap these days.

https://www.amazon.com/ZOSI-100FT-Secur ... nce&sr=1-4


I brought two inside and made up the cables to the dvr. Night mode and they are showing good

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Re: The DIY CCTV camera system thread

Postby cornfused » January 31st, 2021, 10:07 am

I have both coax and CAT 5 in my present installation.

Both Cables need to be protected conduit if going outside. Even in the ceiling.

Cameras same resolution is the image is the same among both cables 4 on CAT 5 and 4 on COAX with BNC

COAX can transmit over video 250 ft same as CAT 5 video, CAT 6 can transmit video to 350 ft

When we installed the COAX with the BNC my panda advised that we heat sleave the connections.

The pro installation with CAT 5 was neater than my Coax

COAX seems to be expensive and bulky

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Re: The DIY CCTV camera system thread

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Re: The DIY CCTV camera system thread

Postby src1983 » February 6th, 2021, 8:11 pm

Guys looking to do a home install with about 10 cameras

Depending on your answers It will either be ubiquiti or hikvision

Must I use a hikvision nvr when using their cameras or can I use a windows setup with Ivms to handle the recording and streaming

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Re: The DIY CCTV camera system thread

Postby 88sins » February 7th, 2021, 6:43 am

For easier setup, particularly for the remote recording and streaming aspect of it, I suggest that you go with hik.
You don't have to use hik cameras with their dvr.

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Re: The DIY CCTV camera system thread

Postby src1983 » February 7th, 2021, 1:33 pm

Was planning to use a windows pc as the NVR is that possible with hik?

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Re: The DIY CCTV camera system thread

Postby 88sins » February 8th, 2021, 9:38 am

src1983 wrote:Was planning to use a windows pc as the NVR is that possible with hik?

it's doable, but it go be a hassle.
exactly what's the end objective you looking for? remote viewing & storage of footage? just worried about if sumn happens & someone leaves with the recorder and all the video?

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Re: The DIY CCTV camera system thread

Postby src1983 » February 8th, 2021, 1:37 pm

In my experience NVRs are slow and buggy, I am hoping to use my cpu and NAS storage to run the VMS as I already have a PoE switch

I would like to be able to

- Remote view
- Configure
- NAS storage

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Re: The DIY CCTV camera system thread

Postby eitech » February 15th, 2021, 7:09 pm

eitech wrote:
88sins wrote:yup, that's probably the cables. they need to change.
people don't realize that CAT5 cables were never really made to do this, they were just repurposed. they will work, not saying otherwise, but eventually the copper wires in them degrade or even break and then that causes all kinda problems because they can't carry power efficiently.
you can get good quality ready made siamese cables relatively cheap these days.

https://www.amazon.com/ZOSI-100FT-Secur ... nce&sr=1-4


I brought two inside and made up the cables to the dvr. Night mode and they are showing good


Well after this test i was certain the problem was the cables. I ordered them from amazon. I hooked up one during the day but the video quality was actually worse that the cat5e during the day. Jus a few lines on the video all over then screen.
So i bought a camera this evening and having the same issue dammit with a new camera.

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Re: The DIY CCTV camera system thread

Postby matix » February 15th, 2021, 9:43 pm

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Re: The DIY CCTV camera system thread

Postby redmanjp » February 15th, 2021, 10:26 pm

88sins wrote:
src1983 wrote:Was planning to use a windows pc as the NVR is that possible with hik?

it's doable, but it go be a hassle.
exactly what's the end objective you looking for? remote viewing & storage of footage? just worried about if sumn happens & someone leaves with the recorder and all the video?


exactly as i thinking, i have a camera to setup myself - it can take a microSD but if the thief goes with it u need an offsite copy in the cloud - anyone know a good affordable cloud service suitable for video footage?

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Re: The DIY CCTV camera system thread

Postby 88sins » February 16th, 2021, 11:02 am

redmanjp wrote:
88sins wrote:
src1983 wrote:Was planning to use a windows pc as the NVR is that possible with hik?

it's doable, but it go be a hassle.
exactly what's the end objective you looking for? remote viewing & storage of footage? just worried about if sumn happens & someone leaves with the recorder and all the video?


exactly as i thinking, i have a camera to setup myself - it can take a microSD but if the thief goes with it u need an offsite copy in the cloud - anyone know a good affordable cloud service suitable for video footage?

not really, that's what ceilings ae for.
The trick is to have no wires/cables visible and within easy reach, and have your dvr and its power source concealed. Can't steal it if they can't see it & it not within reach.
Then do like everyone else, view or dl the footage on your phone.

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Re: The DIY CCTV camera system thread

Postby timelapse » February 16th, 2021, 4:53 pm

Not sure if the right thread for this.QSee went out of business .If you find that you can't see your feed from the app all of a sudden, there's a guide in qsee's website to get it to work

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Re: The DIY CCTV camera system thread

Postby src1983 » February 19th, 2021, 12:28 am

88sins wrote:
redmanjp wrote:
88sins wrote:
src1983 wrote:Was planning to use a windows pc as the NVR is that possible with hik?

it's doable, but it go be a hassle.
exactly what's the end objective you looking for? remote viewing & storage of footage? just worried about if sumn happens & someone leaves with the recorder and all the video?


exactly as i thinking, i have a camera to setup myself - it can take a microSD but if the thief goes with it u need an offsite copy in the cloud - anyone know a good affordable cloud service suitable for video footage?

not really, that's what ceilings ae for.
The trick is to have no wires/cables visible and within easy reach, and have your dvr and its power source concealed. Can't steal it if they can't see it & it not within reach.
Then do like everyone else, view or dl the footage on your phone.


Figured it out via youtube, you can configure iVMS to store to a NAS, which I have available. I will run a test if it works well I just continue if not I just get a NVR

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Re: The DIY CCTV camera system thread

Postby eitech » February 24th, 2021, 9:42 am

eitech wrote:
eitech wrote:
88sins wrote:yup, that's probably the cables. they need to change.
people don't realize that CAT5 cables were never really made to do this, they were just repurposed. they will work, not saying otherwise, but eventually the copper wires in them degrade or even break and then that causes all kinda problems because they can't carry power efficiently.
you can get good quality ready made siamese cables relatively cheap these days.

https://www.amazon.com/ZOSI-100FT-Secur ... nce&sr=1-4


I brought two inside and made up the cables to the dvr. Night mode and they are showing good


Well after this test i was certain the problem was the cables. I ordered them from amazon. I hooked up one during the day but the video quality was actually worse that the cat5e during the day. Jus a few lines on the video all over then screen.
So i bought a camera this evening and having the same issue dammit with a new camera.


Well i finally figured out the problem. Spent a bit of money and have spares now but i still dont see the relation between the problem and the cause. From day one i noticed that the dvr adapter was real hot. I could not even keep my hand on it for more than 5s. I mentioned it to a couple pros but they shook it off. I swapped, cables, camera, camera power supply, even dvr and no change. So last night i decide to change the only thing i hadnt - DVR adapter. Problem solved. Cameras switching to night mode and no video loss. The new adapter is runnin alot warmer than the old one. Lookin back i did notice the dvr shutdown on me a couple of times but i thought nutten of it. Wow.
And to think this whole issue started with a “failed” hardrive. I put the old hard drive in a new dvr and boom it initialized.

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Re: The DIY CCTV camera system thread

Postby src1983 » February 25th, 2021, 8:22 pm

eitech wrote:
eitech wrote:
eitech wrote:
88sins wrote:yup, that's probably the cables. they need to change.
people don't realize that CAT5 cables were never really made to do this, they were just repurposed. they will work, not saying otherwise, but eventually the copper wires in them degrade or even break and then that causes all kinda problems because they can't carry power efficiently.
you can get good quality ready made siamese cables relatively cheap these days.

https://www.amazon.com/ZOSI-100FT-Secur ... nce&sr=1-4


I brought two inside and made up the cables to the dvr. Night mode and they are showing good


Well after this test i was certain the problem was the cables. I ordered them from amazon. I hooked up one during the day but the video quality was actually worse that the cat5e during the day. Jus a few lines on the video all over then screen.
So i bought a camera this evening and having the same issue dammit with a new camera.


Well i finally figured out the problem. Spent a bit of money and have spares now but i still dont see the relation between the problem and the cause. From day one i noticed that the dvr adapter was real hot. I could not even keep my hand on it for more than 5s. I mentioned it to a couple pros but they shook it off. I swapped, cables, camera, camera power supply, even dvr and no change. So last night i decide to change the only thing i hadnt - DVR adapter. Problem solved. Cameras switching to night mode and no video loss. The new adapter is runnin alot warmer than the old one. Lookin back i did notice the dvr shutdown on me a couple of times but i thought nutten of it. Wow.
And to think this whole issue started with a “failed” hardrive. I put the old hard drive in a new dvr and boom it initialized.


This is why I hate using DVR/NVRs they built so crappy

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Re: The DIY CCTV camera system thread

Postby pugboy » February 25th, 2021, 9:03 pm

so what is the solution for when bandits shine a bright light at the camera and everything whites out? happens with car headlights too

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Re: The DIY CCTV camera system thread

Postby SNIPER 3000 » February 26th, 2021, 8:10 am

Guys looking for a 12 camera system. For home. What brand do you suggest ? And should it be dvr or nvr? Thanks. Open to suggestions for best price and service locally.

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Re: The DIY CCTV camera system thread

Postby 88sins » February 26th, 2021, 8:48 am

pugboy wrote:so what is the solution for when bandits shine a bright light at the camera and everything whites out? happens with car headlights too

you sure the camera sensitivity settings weren't adjusted incorrectly?

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Re: The DIY CCTV camera system thread

Postby pugboy » February 26th, 2021, 9:06 am

nah default hik
it works on many other cameras too

i know what to do if i was gonna be a bandit
try it on yours and let us know

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pugboy wrote:so what is the solution for when bandits shine a bright light at the camera and everything whites out? happens with car headlights too

you sure the camera sensitivity settings weren't adjusted incorrectly?

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Re: The DIY CCTV camera system thread

Postby cornfused » March 1st, 2021, 3:07 pm

The Amcrest view pro is working on phones ,tablets, laptops but not Samsung smart Tv any thoughts ?

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Re: The DIY CCTV camera system thread

Postby SNIPER 3000 » March 2nd, 2021, 12:26 pm

So any suggestions on what brand of cameras to go with? HIK vision seems to be flooding the market. Looking for a 12 camera system with 16channel. Should it be nvr or dvr? Pros and cons?

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Re: The DIY CCTV camera system thread

Postby Redman » March 3rd, 2021, 8:05 am

The Amcrest system is robust.
Untouched for 5 years after installation...and a move
Customer service is great...follow up is fast.

And if I can set up anyone can.
The only caveat is that all the cable ran through conduit.

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Re: The DIY CCTV camera system thread

Postby Phone Surgeon » March 3rd, 2021, 8:08 am

Hik is a good brand but there's alot of knockoff hik selling locally
Be careful who u buy from
SNIPER 3000 wrote:So any suggestions on what brand of cameras to go with? HIK vision seems to be flooding the market. Looking for a 12 camera system with 16channel. Should it be nvr or dvr? Pros and cons?

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Re: The DIY CCTV camera system thread

Postby SNIPER 3000 » March 3rd, 2021, 6:21 pm

Redman wrote:The Amcrest system is robust.
Untouched for 5 years after installation...and a move
Customer service is great...follow up is fast.

And if I can set up anyone can.
The only caveat is that all the cable ran through conduit.


Thanks for taking the time to reply. Where can I get this brand locally? Or did you bring it in?

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Re: The DIY CCTV camera system thread

Postby SNIPER 3000 » March 3rd, 2021, 6:22 pm

Phone Surgeon wrote:Hik is a good brand but there's alot of knockoff hik selling locally
Be careful who u buy from
SNIPER 3000 wrote:So any suggestions on what brand of cameras to go with? HIK vision seems to be flooding the market. Looking for a 12 camera system with 16channel. Should it be nvr or dvr? Pros and cons?


Thanks for replying. How do I tell the knock off?

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Re: The DIY CCTV camera system thread

Postby Ted_v2 » March 3rd, 2021, 6:48 pm

recommend someone to do a complete install for me.

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