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Re: Gas prices to raise, again.

Postby agent007 » June 3rd, 2022, 8:25 am

How much money you want to arrange that for me? Pm me if you want.

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Re: Gas prices to raise, again.

Postby Dave » June 3rd, 2022, 8:31 am

Hit me one as well please.

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Re: Gas prices to raise, again.

Postby pugboy » June 3rd, 2022, 9:05 am

how to convert a tiida latio?

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agent007 wrote:Was just doing some light research and I did some quick mathematical conversions. In Hong Kong, residents there pay the equivalent of $20. TTD per litre of petrol. Many European countries aren't far behind either.

If things reach that bad here in TT then I won't care about those Japanese displays I can't convert to English, I'll be getting myself a used 2019/2020 Leaf.
Most Japanese displays can be converted once there is a UK or Australian version of the vehicle. A simple flash will do.

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Re: Gas prices to raise, again.

Postby gastly369 » June 3rd, 2022, 9:07 am

International prices...
We getting "international fuels"?
"International roads"?

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Re: Gas prices to raise, again.

Postby viedcht » June 3rd, 2022, 9:09 am

agent007 wrote:Was just doing some light research and I did some quick mathematical conversions. In Hong Kong, residents there pay the equivalent of $20. TTD per litre of petrol. Many European countries aren't far behind either.

If things reach that bad here in TT then I won't care about those Japanese displays I can't convert to English, I'll be getting myself a used 2019/2020 Leaf.
What would be the local cost if you have to charge it every day? The 150mile range is plenty enough for me but how would the ttec bill look?

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Re: Gas prices to raise, again.

Postby viedcht » June 3rd, 2022, 9:19 am

I made an overcalculation and it'll cost around $1ktt a month to charge an EV at 65kWh capacity, around the same as a base Leaf

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Re: Gas prices to raise, again.

Postby Dizzy28 » June 3rd, 2022, 9:20 am

viedcht wrote:
agent007 wrote:Was just doing some light research and I did some quick mathematical conversions. In Hong Kong, residents there pay the equivalent of $20. TTD per litre of petrol. Many European countries aren't far behind either.

If things reach that bad here in TT then I won't care about those Japanese displays I can't convert to English, I'll be getting myself a used 2019/2020 Leaf.
What would be the local cost if you have to charge it every day? The 150mile range is plenty enough for me but how would the ttec bill look?


Isn't fuel in Europe heavily taxed?
In the UK taxes are 48% of the final cost per litre
https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/fuel-watch/
In Norway its even worse -
"Taxes sum up to 57,6% of pump price. VAT of 25% is imposed on the sum of all other components; thus, there is a tax on taxes also included"
https://energypedia.info/wiki/Fuel_Prices_Norway

Hong Kong is a state 1/5th the size of Trinidad but with 5 times as much people. I would guess fuel is priced to encourage Rapid transit use (only yesterday I saw a travel blogger rate their MRT as the best in the world) and not actually pegged to global prices only.

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Re: Gas prices to raise, again.

Postby hover11 » June 3rd, 2022, 9:22 am

The country was always paying international prices it was the government who was buffering the effects on the citizens, subsidies have to come to an end so the government will have money to pave "international roads". You want the government to fund your gas bill and provide good roads too hmmm
gastly369 wrote:International prices...
We getting "international fuels"?
"International roads"?

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Re: Gas prices to raise, again.

Postby agent007 » June 3rd, 2022, 9:39 am

viedcht wrote:
agent007 wrote:Was just doing some light research and I did some quick mathematical conversions. In Hong Kong, residents there pay the equivalent of $20. TTD per litre of petrol. Many European countries aren't far behind either.

If things reach that bad here in TT then I won't care about those Japanese displays I can't convert to English, I'll be getting myself a used 2019/2020 Leaf.
What would be the local cost if you have to charge it every day? The 150mile range is plenty enough for me but how would the ttec bill look?
The Leaf has a 40kWh battery with a theoretical range of 238kkms. Assuming it's completely discharged, would be 40 x $0.32 = $12.80 per full charge. If you live in SF and work in POS, you can accumulate on average 2500kms per month.

2500 ÷ 238km battery range = 11 approx. charges per month.

11 x $12.80 = $140.80 added to your electricity bill.

Compare that to a petrol vehicle doing the same 2500kms per month with a tank range of 500kms. This equates to 5 fill-ups per month at $350. per fill-up.

Gas bill per month would be $1,750.

Going Leaf would automatically save a South person who works POS ($1750 - $140.80) = $1,609.20 a month.

If you install a separate solar charging facility for your Leaf (which is what I intend to do), your electricity bill remains as-is (all things being equal).

Your investment in the Leaf is $230k including a full detail, mats, tint, nice raised metal plates, an air refresher and full comprehensive insurance. The solar addition to your home can start at $30k.

$230k + $30k = $260k is your total initial investment.

$260k ÷ $1750 = 12.4 years. This means it would take almost 13 years for this investment to pay for itself (for someone who starting from scratch).

If you're selling an existing vehicle to purchase a Leaf, then this figure reduces.

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Re: Gas prices to raise, again.

Postby kamakazi » June 3rd, 2022, 2:39 pm

agent007 wrote:
viedcht wrote:
agent007 wrote:Was just doing some light research and I did some quick mathematical conversions. In Hong Kong, residents there pay the equivalent of $20. TTD per litre of petrol. Many European countries aren't far behind either.

If things reach that bad here in TT then I won't care about those Japanese displays I can't convert to English, I'll be getting myself a used 2019/2020 Leaf.
What would be the local cost if you have to charge it every day? The 150mile range is plenty enough for me but how would the ttec bill look?
The Leaf has a 40kWh battery with a theoretical range of 238kkms. Assuming it's completely discharged, would be 40 x $0.32 = $12.80 per full charge. If you live in SF and work in POS, you can accumulate on average 2500kms per month.

2500 ÷ 238km battery range = 11 approx. charges per month.

11 x $12.80 = $140.80 added to your electricity bill.

Compare that to a petrol vehicle doing the same 2500kms per month with a tank range of 500kms. This equates to 5 fill-ups per month at $350. per fill-up.

Gas bill per month would be $1,750.

Going Leaf would automatically save a South person who works POS ($1750 - $140.80) = $1,609.20 a month.

If you install a separate solar charging facility for your Leaf (which is what I intend to do), your electricity bill remains as-is (all things being equal).

Your investment in the Leaf is $230k including a full detail, mats, tint, nice raised metal plates, an air refresher and full comprehensive insurance. The solar addition to your home can start at $30k.

$230k + $30k = $260k is your total initial investment.

$260k ÷ $1750 = 12.4 years. This means it would take almost 13 years for this investment to pay for itself (for someone who starting from scratch).

If you're selling an existing vehicle to purchase a Leaf, then this figure reduces.

My estimates put me closer to 15yrs if figures remain as they are and include an 20% charging loss and an additional 20% loss for conversion of battery power to movement

Also a fuel consumption rate of 10km/l

Per month addition to your bill for an ev with the scenario posted is closer to $200

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Re: Gas prices to raise, again.

Postby agent007 » June 3rd, 2022, 4:31 pm

Sounds reasonable. Also, I read that the Leaf loses 35% battery capacity over an 8 year period which is 4.4% every year. I think this would be higher for our climate and road conditions. Nissan further states that their battery would last between 8 and 10 years. So expect degradation at a rapid pace after the 8 year mark.

Buying a 2019 Leaf in 2022 via roro would mean after the 5 year loan period is concluded, the car would now be 8 years old and to expect the entire battery pack to be on red alert at that point.

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Re: Gas prices to raise, again.

Postby Numb3r4 » June 3rd, 2022, 6:09 pm

Do we have the capability to replace batteries here in TT or would you just have to begin looking for another vehicle at this point?

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Re: Gas prices to raise, again.

Postby pugboy » June 3rd, 2022, 6:19 pm

lithium effective lifespan is really around 5years and how much use, eg full discharge/recharge cycles

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Re: Gas prices to raise, again.

Postby Numb3r4 » June 3rd, 2022, 6:24 pm

^^^ With that fact mentioned above that would mean that even a 3 yr old RORO electric vehicle (or Hybrid) already has a substantial portion of its lifespan over by the time it is purchased.

Or am I missing something?

How cost effective is that with respect to just buying a new vehicle?

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Re: Gas prices to raise, again.

Postby adnj » June 3rd, 2022, 7:32 pm

pugboy wrote:lithium effective lifespan is really around 5years and how much use, eg full discharge/recharge cycles
Nissan gives the Leaf a warranty of 5 yrs/100k km on the vehicle and 8yrs/160k km on the battery for tropical countries like Thailand.

Numb3r4 wrote:^^^ With that fact mentioned above that would mean that even a 3 yr old RORO electric vehicle (or Hybrid) already has a substantial portion of its lifespan over by the time it is purchased.

Or am I missing something?

How cost effective is that with respect to just buying a new vehicle?


Because of technology advances and battery degradation, HEV typically depreciate faster than ICE, EV depreciates faster than HEV.

The cost for new batteries varies but is about US$250/kWh if you choose to compare.

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Re: Gas prices to raise, again.

Postby agent007 » June 3rd, 2022, 7:40 pm

Hopefully if we all buy 2019 Leafs in 2022, by 2027 the cost of replacement batteries won't be high especially if we all band together and form a local Leaf Club. Strength in numbers.

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Re: Gas prices to raise, again.

Postby pugboy » June 3rd, 2022, 7:44 pm

there are generic cell manufacturers so it is not the end of the world when you battery starts to go
eventually they will trickle down into supply just like any other car parts and of course good and bad quality

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Re: Gas prices to raise, again.

Postby viedcht » June 4th, 2022, 8:30 am

agent007 wrote:
viedcht wrote:
agent007 wrote:Was just doing some light research and I did some quick mathematical conversions. In Hong Kong, residents there pay the equivalent of $20. TTD per litre of petrol. Many European countries aren't far behind either.

If things reach that bad here in TT then I won't care about those Japanese displays I can't convert to English, I'll be getting myself a used 2019/2020 Leaf.
What would be the local cost if you have to charge it every day? The 150mile range is plenty enough for me but how would the ttec bill look?
The Leaf has a 40kWh battery with a theoretical range of 238kkms. Assuming it's completely discharged, would be 40 x $0.32 = $12.80 per full charge. If you live in SF and work in POS, you can accumulate on average 2500kms per month.

2500 ÷ 238km battery range = 11 approx. charges per month.

11 x $12.80 = $140.80 added to your electricity bill.

Compare that to a petrol vehicle doing the same 2500kms per month with a tank range of 500kms. This equates to 5 fill-ups per month at $350. per fill-up.

Gas bill per month would be $1,750.

Going Leaf would automatically save a South person who works POS ($1750 - $140.80) = $1,609.20 a month.

If you install a separate solar charging facility for your Leaf (which is what I intend to do), your electricity bill remains as-is (all things being equal).

Your investment in the Leaf is $230k including a full detail, mats, tint, nice raised metal plates, an air refresher and full comprehensive insurance. The solar addition to your home can start at $30k.

$230k + $30k = $260k is your total initial investment.

$260k ÷ $1750 = 12.4 years. This means it would take almost 13 years for this investment to pay for itself (for someone who starting from scratch).

If you're selling an existing vehicle to purchase a Leaf, then this figure reduces.
Okay yes your figures are real world, I made very generous overestimates (.45¢perkw × 65kw capacity × 35charges per month) to get to my outrageous $1k. additional on electric bill. Hopefully when ttec shaft we it wouldn't be so high.

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Re: Gas prices to raise, again.

Postby adnj » June 4th, 2022, 8:40 am

viedcht wrote:
agent007 wrote:
viedcht wrote:
agent007 wrote:Was just doing some light research and I did some quick mathematical conversions. In Hong Kong, residents there pay the equivalent of $20. TTD per litre of petrol. Many European countries aren't far behind either.

If things reach that bad here in TT then I won't care about those Japanese displays I can't convert to English, I'll be getting myself a used 2019/2020 Leaf.
What would be the local cost if you have to charge it every day? The 150mile range is plenty enough for me but how would the ttec bill look?
The Leaf has a 40kWh battery with a theoretical range of 238kkms. Assuming it's completely discharged, would be 40 x $0.32 = $12.80 per full charge. If you live in SF and work in POS, you can accumulate on average 2500kms per month.

2500 ÷ 238km battery range = 11 approx. charges per month.

11 x $12.80 = $140.80 added to your electricity bill.

Compare that to a petrol vehicle doing the same 2500kms per month with a tank range of 500kms. This equates to 5 fill-ups per month at $350. per fill-up.

Gas bill per month would be $1,750.

Going Leaf would automatically save a South person who works POS ($1750 - $140.80) = $1,609.20 a month.

If you install a separate solar charging facility for your Leaf (which is what I intend to do), your electricity bill remains as-is (all things being equal).

Your investment in the Leaf is $230k including a full detail, mats, tint, nice raised metal plates, an air refresher and full comprehensive insurance. The solar addition to your home can start at $30k.

$230k + $30k = $260k is your total initial investment.

$260k ÷ $1750 = 12.4 years. This means it would take almost 13 years for this investment to pay for itself (for someone who starting from scratch).

If you're selling an existing vehicle to purchase a Leaf, then this figure reduces.
Okay yes your figures are real world, I made very generous overestimates (.45¢perkw × 65kw capacity × 35charges per month) to get to my outrageous $1k. additional on electric bill. Hopefully when ttec shaft we it wouldn't be so high.


EV battery charge efficiency generally ranges between 60% and 85%.

You'll need to bump your electricity costs 40% for a average charger efficiency of 72%.

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Re: Gas prices to raise, again.

Postby j.o.e » June 4th, 2022, 12:55 pm

I gonna tief current from work …… I done mark a plug next to my parking spot

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Re: Gas prices to raise, again.

Postby sMASH » June 4th, 2022, 4:20 pm

Get ur extensions and adapters; charge at work.

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Re: Gas prices to raise, again.

Postby sMASH » June 4th, 2022, 4:22 pm

Wait, ttec give a rebate of u use less that 180 a month or so... (can't remember the figure off hand)
So if u have to charge up ur ev regalar, u might get bumped out of that rebate..

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Re: Gas prices to raise, again.

Postby death365 » June 4th, 2022, 5:27 pm

Here's the reality, we pay low for our current (electricity) ATM but its still a tier system.

The more u use the more u pay per kW. So keep that in mind also the current Government taxing left right and centre to get money to run the country and that means sooner rather than later current will go up.

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Re: Gas prices to raise, again.

Postby Numb3r4 » June 4th, 2022, 10:13 pm

The price of Bar-B-Que has already gone up.

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Re: Gas prices to raise, again.

Postby st7 » June 5th, 2022, 2:25 am

more like 'it was considered but we didnt do it'

pnm supporters weep with joy as the govt made it seem they accomplished something great for the country

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Re: Gas prices to raise, again.

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Re: Gas prices to raise, again.

Postby K_J_R » June 10th, 2022, 7:23 am

bluefete wrote:Image


i thought their selling electric cars because most manufacturers are swithing to electric an hybrid all arond d world.

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Postby sMASH » June 10th, 2022, 7:32 am

K_J_R wrote:
bluefete wrote:Image


i thought their selling electric cars because most manufacturers are swithing to electric an hybrid all arond d world.

?
To fork out money for a whole new platform, u have to make the old one too expensive to maintain.

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Re: Gas prices to raise, again.

Postby K_J_R » June 10th, 2022, 7:34 am

sMASH wrote:
K_J_R wrote:
bluefete wrote:Image


i thought their selling electric cars because most manufacturers are swithing to electric an hybrid all arond d world.

?
To fork out money for a whole new platform, u have to make the old one too expensive to maintain.


but i thought d electric cars were sharing parts with gas cars? think like the ioniq an eleantra.

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