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Re: Gas prices in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby Kickstart » September 4th, 2022, 1:56 pm

They will all clap and vote back pnm. Those that clap don't even own a box cart.

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Re: Gas prices in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby Rovin » September 4th, 2022, 2:15 pm

i hate when my good post ends up at d bottom of d previous page so i re-posting this ...

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Gas prices to rise again

Sep 3, 2022

Expect fuel prices to increase again as the Government looks to cap the fuel subsidy at $1 billion.

In his presentation at the Spotlight on the Economy at the Hyatt Regency in Port of Spain yesterday, Finance Minister Colm Imbert said the fuel subsidy is estimated to cost the Government $2.6 billion for 2022 at current energy prices.

He extrapolated that for fiscal 2023, it could cost $2.1 billion based on US$97.50 a barrel of oil.

He observed that for the month of March, when oil prices were at US$130, the Government’s fuel subsidy was $309 million.

In May, it was $310 million.

In June, it was $341 million.

“We are going to end this year with the Government having to have spent $2.6 billion on fuel subsidies in the last 12 months,” Imbert said.

He said the Government had expected a fuel subsidy of about $800-900 million.

“Nobody ever expected prices to remain at that level -105, 110, 120, that sort of thing,” he added.

“I don’t think we, as a country, can afford that. We have to, as the Prime Minister indicated, set up a limit on the amount of subsidy that we can pay and the rest of it will be used for other, more desirable, more productive purposes,” he said.

T&T’s motorists have enjoyed a fuel subsidy for the past 46 years. The public consumes over one billion litres of fuel a year, for just over one million cars on the road, for a population of 1.4 million.

In the past 20 years, the Government of T&T has spent over $31 billion on the fuel subsidy.

In 2000, the fuel subsidy was $449 million and remained steady until 2004 when it went up to $913 million.

In 2005 and 2006, it averaged $1.6 billion but then increased steadily to $2.2 billion in 2007, $3.6 billion in 2008, down to $1.6 billion in 2009 and then up to $2.9 billion in 2010.

From 2011 to 2014- the subsidy was over four billion-$4.4 billion in 2011, $4.5 billion in 2012, $4.4 billion in 2013 and 4.1 billion in 2014.

In 2015, it declined by almost half that trending amount to $2.1 billion.

In 2016, it was $400.8 million, $528.6 million in 2017, $739 million in 2018 and $276.7 million in 2019.

Equal distribution of cost

In April this year the price of fuel increased by $1 and diesel by 50 cents.

In a statement to Parliament at the time, Imbert noted that the adjustment was “not to the full market prices, but sufficient to allow an equal distribution of the cost.”

The prices of premium gasoline and super gasoline were adjusted by $1 per litre to $6.75 and $5.97 per litre respectively, while the price of diesel went up by 50 cents per litre to $3.91 per litre.

“It should be noted that the adjustment to the price of diesel at 50 cents per litre is half of the increase in the price of gasoline, in recognition of the fact that diesel fuel is widely used in public transportation and in the transportation of goods. The cost of LPG will remain fixed at $21 for a 20 pound cylinder of cooking gas for domestic customers, which is less than 25 per cent of the true market price and the Ministry of Energy and Energy Industries has been tasked to look at an appropriate price of LPG for commercial customers,” Imbert had said.

In budget 2021, Finance Minister Colm Imbert had announced the liberalisation of the fuel market with fuel prices to be subject to market forces.

He had noted the “process of liberalisation of fuel prices was scheduled to commence in February to March 2022.

“However, in October 2021, it was not expected, anywhere, that oil prices would increase by over 60 per cent in five months,” he said.

In his 2021 budget speech, Imbert had said that, since 1974, the liquid petroleum products market has been subject to public economic policy but it would have been changed in 2021 with the removal of the fuel subsidy.



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Re: Gas prices in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby hover11 » September 4th, 2022, 2:18 pm

My question is why with a country of 1.4 million ppl we have a Subsidy of 2.6 billion , that is ridiculous, so ppl just buying cars like they going mad then.... just like how ppl say the 4 percent is it and they should take that and settle themselves wrt to public servants.....1 billion dollars is how much they willing to spend as the gas Subsidy, the rest you hadda pay your way.

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Re: Gas prices in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby DMan7 » September 4th, 2022, 2:57 pm

The increase in the gas prices is so that the extra money from the increase can now be redirected towards paying public servants the 4% increase and backpay. Blame them hoovers and dem for that increase this time.

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Re: Gas prices in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby hover11 » September 4th, 2022, 3:17 pm

DMan7 wrote:The increase in the gas prices is so that the extra money from the increase can now be redirected towards paying public servants the 4% increase and backpay. Blame them hoovers and dem for that increase this time.
As per usual you are wrong that money was allocated prior to this announcement based on what the finance minister said.

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Re: Gas prices in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby adnj » September 4th, 2022, 4:18 pm

eliteauto wrote:Question: Wouldn't countries like the US experiencing price drops for fuel not be coming down from prices significantly higher than those we pay locally? So why lower prices are expected here when ours are not at the market rate, notably when their prices increased earlier?
That chart is of the current market price in the US. It does not include delivery costs, distribution costs or sales taxes. At the listed price of US$2.46 per gallon, it would cost TT$4.43 per liter before the cost to ship to TTO, plus NP's distribution costs to truck it the station, plus dealer profits.

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Re: Gas prices in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » September 26th, 2022, 10:38 pm

Fuel price changes in T&T

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Re: Gas prices in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby shaha87 » September 26th, 2022, 10:55 pm

We may be on par with USA prices for gasoline now.

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Re: Gas prices in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby triniterribletim » September 26th, 2022, 11:12 pm

When I moved to Brazil, gas prices were slightly more expensive than TT gas prices, but now with the increases, gas is actually cheaper here now. Rowley is a plague upon T&T. Cost of living continues to spiral out of control. How many people are now working to just barely have enough left over after they put gas/pay transport costs?

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Re: Gas prices in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby TheBoostLord » September 26th, 2022, 11:35 pm

shaha87 wrote:We may be on par with USA prices for gasoline now.


Actually all octane grades cheaper here in houston than Trinidad, except for diesel. that sucks.

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Re: Gas prices in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby daring dragoon » September 27th, 2022, 12:34 am

all the talk and people go still move business as usual. pnm hadda have some of the best obeah wuking for them boi.

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Re: Gas prices in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby rollingstock » September 27th, 2022, 7:06 am

Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:Fuel price changes in T&T

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Those are not the current fuel prices.

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Gas prices in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby 2WNBoost » September 27th, 2022, 7:16 am

There is a deliberate push away from gasoline and diesel.
I’m pleasantly surprised at the OEM CNG options available for commercial vehicles

But the short range with the passenger car conversion kit is a turn off for me.

https://cng.co.tt/why-switch/
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Re: Gas prices in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » September 27th, 2022, 7:18 am

rollingstock wrote:
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:Fuel price changes in T&T

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Those are not the current fuel prices.

It is.
The last bar in each graph is the unsubsidized price.

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Re: Gas prices in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby adnj » September 27th, 2022, 7:29 am

Shipping fuel to Trinidad and and Tobago AND THEN distributing to filling stations AND THEN giving station owners a markup isn't cheap.

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Re: Gas prices in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby pugboy » September 27th, 2022, 7:39 am

where is current prices of fuel in caribbean countries?

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Re: Gas prices in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby Kickstart » September 27th, 2022, 7:42 am

pugboy wrote:where is current prices of fuel in caribbean countries?



According to globalpetrolprices.com, the leading provider of data on global fuel prices, as of July 4, Barbadians were paying an average of US$2.34 for gasoline, which is higher than places such as the UK, Switzerland, Singapore, Ireland and Sweden.

Among other Caribbean countries, Jamaica has the second highest prices at US$1.74 per litre, followed by the Bahamas at US$1.71, the Cayman Islands at US$1.66 and St Lucia at US$1.46 per litre.

According to the data, the price of gasoline in the oil-producing Trinidad and Tobago averages US$0.99 per litre, in Suriname it is US$1.10 per litre and in Guyana it is US$1.30.

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Re: Gas prices in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby eliteauto » September 27th, 2022, 8:59 am

2WNBoost wrote:There is a deliberate push away from gasoline and diesel.
I’m pleasantly surprised at the OEM CNG options available for commercial vehicles

But the short range with the passenger car conversion kit is a turn off for me.

https://cng.co.tt/why-switch/


But is it really a deliberate push when the PM said in March of this year that CNG is dead tech and other than a CNG station being built in Tobago the network was not going to be expanded? CNG is now a stopgap measure with the Gov't saying they want to push both commercial vehicles and public transport to be electric

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Re: Gas prices in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby gastly369 » September 27th, 2022, 9:03 am

adnj wrote:Shipping fuel to Trinidad and and Tobago AND THEN distributing to filling stations AND THEN giving station owners a markup isn't cheap.
Where are we getting fuel from?
Also are these fuel truly tested for the stated ratings?

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Re: Gas prices in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby Les Bain » September 27th, 2022, 9:37 am

Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:
rollingstock wrote:
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:Fuel price changes in T&T

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Those are not the current fuel prices.

It is.
The last bar in each graph is the unsubsidized price.


Why is unsubsidized Premium more expensive than the current price though?

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Re: Gas prices in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby Dizzy28 » September 27th, 2022, 9:55 am

Les Bain wrote:
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:
rollingstock wrote:
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:Fuel price changes in T&T

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Those are not the current fuel prices.

It is.
The last bar in each graph is the unsubsidized price.


Why is unsubsidized Premium more expensive than the current price though?


You mean cheaper

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Re: Gas prices in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby adnj » September 27th, 2022, 9:58 am

gastly369 wrote:
adnj wrote:Shipping fuel to Trinidad and and Tobago AND THEN distributing to filling stations AND THEN giving station owners a markup isn't cheap.
Where are we getting fuel from?
Also are these fuel truly tested for the stated ratings?
Tested by whom? The fuels are tested and certified prior to the port of disembarkation. Further testing is the buyer's responsibility.

Fuels are just a commodiry - they are purchased and shipped from countries worldwide. In the past Gabon, Colombia, Russian Federation, Norway and United States have supplied fuel to Trinidad.

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Re: Gas prices in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby Les Bain » September 27th, 2022, 10:00 am

Dizzy28 wrote:
Les Bain wrote:
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:
rollingstock wrote:
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:Fuel price changes in T&T

Image


Those are not the current fuel prices.

It is.
The last bar in each graph is the unsubsidized price.


Why is unsubsidized Premium more expensive than the current price though?


You mean cheaper


God yes, sorry.

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Re: Gas prices in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby adnj » September 27th, 2022, 10:08 am

Les Bain wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:
Les Bain wrote:
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:
rollingstock wrote:
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:Fuel price changes in T&T

Image


Those are not the current fuel prices.

It is.
The last bar in each graph is the unsubsidized price.


Why is unsubsidized Premium more expensive than the current price though?


You mean cheaper


God yes, sorry.
My guess is that the fuel price controls are attempting to demonstrate favor for goods and basic transportation (diesel) over passenger vehicles (super) over luxury vehicles (premium).

Please don't bother to comment on the need for high RON fuels for highly efficient engines.

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Re: Gas prices in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby hover11 » September 27th, 2022, 11:08 am

How much gas is collectively
wasted in early morning traffic everyday heading into town?

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Re: Gas prices in Trinidad & Tobago

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Re: Gas prices in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby hover11 » September 27th, 2022, 12:24 pm

Voting has consequences this was the SIXTH increase from 2015 to present
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Re: Gas prices in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby 2WNBoost » September 27th, 2022, 12:34 pm

It is a push when the commodity is no longer enjoying the subsidies of the past.
The consumer will decide which option they wish to pursue:
Continue with gasoline or diesel
Switch to alternative fuels
Switch to electric

I like my gasoline engine but in the next 2 to 3 years an electric vehicle may be the option for me. Prices should come down as the sales volume and competition increases

eliteauto wrote:
2WNBoost wrote:There is a deliberate push away from gasoline and diesel.
I’m pleasantly surprised at the OEM CNG options available for commercial vehicles

But the short range with the passenger car conversion kit is a turn off for me.

https://cng.co.tt/why-switch/


But is it really a deliberate push when the PM said in March of this year that CNG is dead tech and other than a CNG station being built in Tobago the network was not going to be expanded? CNG is now a stopgap measure with the Gov't saying they want to push both commercial vehicles and public transport to be electric

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Re: Gas prices in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby cornfused » September 27th, 2022, 12:45 pm

Historical Fuel Prices Credit Mr. Jason Alexander MSc

Super
October 6th, 2003: TT$ 2.45 per litre

October 6th, 2003: TT$ 2.70 per litre

October 5th, 2015: TT$ 3.11 per litre

April 8th, 2016: TT$ 3.58 per litre

October 2nd, 2017: TT$ 3.97 per litre

October 1st, 2018: TT$ 4.97 per litre

April 19th, 2022: TT$ 5.97 per litre

September 26th,2020 TT$6.97 per litre

Historical Diesel Prices

October 5th, 2015: TT$ 1.50 per litre

October 5th, 2015: TT$ 1.72 per litre

April 8th, 2016: TT$ 2.00 per litre

September 30th, 2016: TT$ 2.30 per litre

October 2nd, 2017: TT$ 3.41 per litre

April 19th, 2022: TT$ 3.91 per litre

September 26th 2022 TT$4.41 per litre

Premium

Before October 6th, 2003: TT$ 2.85 per litre

October 6th, 2003: TT$ 3.00 per litre

September 22nd, 2008: TT$ 4.00 per litre

October 2nd, 2012: TT$ 5.75 per litre

April 19th, 2022: TT$ 6.75 per litre

September 26th 2022, TT $7.75

The bar chart posted above is incorrect

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