Use of garden hoses etc. Illegal from Saturday (19th March)

[pugboy]

not really eh,
reservoir is a nice tidy "new(think expensive)" project for a govt to embark upon
new unique projects are where the money is made
not fixing old inrastructure

[nervewrecker]

Desalcott in point lisas has a 40mgd plant.
I know of one in Moruga I'd like to visit one day and iirc seven seas has something to do with the third somewhere along the south western peninsula. I'm not sure of their output.
They provide potable water from filtration of saline water via reverse osmosis. The process name pretty much sums up the operation and consumes large amounts of energy. If I'm not mistaken we aren't paying the cost price for water either. That might be the next thing price will be increased on.

Still unsure of Emilio point.

A reservoir / s would have been a good idea outside of cities plagued by flooding in the rainy season. Collect the excess run off that drainage infrastructure can't accommodate and treat it. If not made potable, introduce a grey water system self.
A reservoir is a far better idea than a stadium.

[Dizzy28]

Desalcott in point lisas has a 40mgd plant.
I know of one in Moruga I'd like to visit one day and iirc seven seas has something to do with the third somewhere along the south western peninsula. I'm not sure of their output.
They provide potable water from filtration of saline water via reverse osmosis. The process name pretty much sums up the operation and consumes large amounts of energy. If I'm not mistaken we aren't paying the cost price for water either. That might be the next thing price will be increased on.

Still unsure of Emilio point.

A reservoir / s would have been a good idea outside of cities plagued by flooding in the rainy season. Collect the excess run off that drainage infrastructure can't accommodate and treat it. If not made potable, introduce a grey water system self.
A reservoir is a far better idea than a stadium.

Desalcott sure has increased their capacity......when I worked there they were 24mgd.

[Redman]

If we flex seal toruba..that will work?

IMHO.

Meter the end user.
Attach a cost.
Start billing ...with the intent to start collecting in a year.

This will make us all more aware and able to measure our usage.

What is measured can be managed/ conserved

We then can.
-Attaché a value to water we collectively and individually use
-See what is actually delivered to the end user,vs what is sent by suppliers.
Solve the issues based on real data.

Have all data published real time.

[nervewrecker]

I think wasa buys roughly 20mgd from desalcott.
Another 20mgd is sold to the industries on the estate.
I'm open to correction on that as everything a bit fuzzy in my head.

24mgd is possible depending on the influent salinity content and condition of membrane surface among other factors.
Output will decrease when the surface is fouled hence the need for shutdown and maintenance (not sure what else take place besides backwashing).

Rain falls and surface runoff enters streams that emoty them into the surrounding oceans. We take some from the streams and take the rest from the ocean. Why not take it before it reaches the ocean? When it gets there the treatment process is no longer the traditional coagulation, flocculation, sedimentation and disinfection via slow and rapid sand filters.

[nervewrecker]

If we flex seal toruba..that will work?

IMHO.

Meter the end user.
Attach a cost.
Start billing ...with the intent to start collecting in a year.

This will make us all more aware and able to measure our usage.

What is measured can be managed/ conserved

We then can.
-Attaché a value to water we collectively and individually use
-See what is actually delivered to the end user,vs what is sent by suppliers.
Solve the issues based on real data.

Have all data published real time.

We could dig out the beetham too and make a reservoir.

Wasa has been operating at a loss for sometime now. No budget for meters.

[Dizzy28]

If we flex seal toruba..that will work?

IMHO.

Meter the end user.
Attach a cost.
Start billing ...with the intent to start collecting in a year.

This will make us all more aware and able to measure our usage.

What is measured can be managed/ conserved

We then can.
-Attaché a value to water we collectively and individually use
-See what is actually delivered to the end user,vs what is sent by suppliers.
Solve the issues based on real data.

Have all data published real time.

Metering is pretty expensive though. They can and should start with all those properties that have multiple rental apartments and then move on down to individual households after.

[cornfused]

Metering is one angle but where are our desalination plants on the north and east ?

Where are our large water tanks on the Northern Range and the eastern to south eastern areas ? Where farming is a way of life .

Water shortages and harsh dry seasons have been a part of the landscape for more than a decade now . Do we have a plan ?

Or are we content to hear illogical adds about bucket use versus a hose with an attachment every year .

Hose water comes at approximately 3 -4gpm on a super supply ie pump at more than 30 psi , a bucket is 4-5 gallons so if you do a 30 second rinse and a 30 second wash off , what exactly is the waste water that you have already paid for or will be paying for ?

[Redman]

Metering is pretty expensive though. They can and should start with all those properties that have multiple rental apartments and then move on down to individual households after.

Well it cant be as expensive as what applies NOW and for the last 25 years.
It will be expensive if WASA wants to tender and award the contract to their preferred suppliers
So dont keep doing what we have been doing for 25 years
Add meters as a requirement for approval from T&C or for connection.
The cost of a meter is insignificant to the cost of a home or building.

In fact let WASA sell/lease them to keep the ownership and ability to control tampering.

http://www.watermeters.com/

[timelapse]

Bottled water companies ...your thoughts?

[Redman]

The bottled water companies pay WASA a very small rate per gallon.

"Filter' it and sell.

It's like cocaine without the noise.

I wish I thought of it

[nervewrecker]

The bottled water companies pay WASA a very small rate per gallon.

"Filter' it and sell.

It's like cocaine without the noise.

I wish I thought of it

Even if you did you won't be granted a licence. You ain't have the link they have....well so I assume
Not sure if emilio was trying to say look at who owns the desalination plants and we will understand why they trying to not use fresh water for treatment.
The more we pollute our reserves the more of a reason they get to build desalination plants.

[Redman]

Why aren't we drilling more wells?

We have the aquifers..many of which are replenishing naturally.

Desal is big capex and we have to deal with the waste.

[nervewrecker]

Drilling more Wells just means the aquifers will be deleted faster.

[Redman]

Yes but no.

There are aquifers that are naturally replenishing.
Also the well can be throttled or governed or sized to pull volumes that will establish equilibrium.

The static levels can be monitored real time.

But it will establish supply closer to end users.

measurement- how much we use-metered end users.
Rationalization of the supply network...fix leaks and illegal taps.
Management/reduction of usage.
Optimize supply and storage.

[nervewrecker]

When you say naturally replenishing, the water has to come from somewhere. At a time like this when surface water is scarce shouldn't the rate of replenishment due to percolation be decreased?
But yes, it would be wise to drill more than one wells in an aquifer because there is only so much water a single well can withdraw per unit time based on depth, hydraulic conductivity of the aquifer material and yadda yadda yadda

WASA seem to not be interested in any of the above mentioned by yourself because failure to do so would give rise to the construction of more desal plants and government contracts. Who eh like the corrupt practice will do what? ask them to stop providing water?

[Redman]

In some cases yes.
But for example-the Aquifer in the NW peninsula has been growing-well that was up to 2012 -some of the wells drilled there were drilled by the Yanks..and the wells are some of the largest producers.
But we can also recharge the AQ ourselves-

Internal Renewable Water Resources at 3.8Billion cubic meters.
Same doc has the withdrawal at 382M- albeit 2011 numbers.

So we have water.
The problem is getting the water from where it is to where we need it.

http://www.fao.org/nr/water/aquastat/co ... /index.stm

The mean annual rainfall in the country is 2 200 mm (Table 2). Long-term annual renewable surface water resources are estimated at 3 740 million m3, of which 3 600 million m3 in Trinidad and 140 million m3 in Tobago. Long-term average annual renewable groundwater resources are estimated at 614 million m3, of which 545 million m3 in Trinidad and 69 million m3 in Tobago. Considering an overlap between surface water and groundwater resources of 514 million m3, the total Internal Renewable Water Resources (IRWR) are estimated at 3 840 million m3/year.

In 2011, total water withdrawal in the country was estimated at 383.2 million m3 of which 237.6 million m3 or 62 percent for municipal use, 128.9 million m3 or 34 percent for industrial use and 16.7 million m3 or 4 percent for agricultural use (Table 3 and Figure 1).

41% UNACCOUNTED FOR....means??????
http://www.apett.org/home/images/DotOrg ... t-IWRM.pdf

[EmilioA]

Is a pond you feel you digging ?

A new reservoir is a multi year project. and it go probably have to start in the dry season so the rain dont wash away the construction.

Separately the 4 new desal plants were supposed to remove the need for a new reservoir. I wondering what them doing .

1 - we in dry season

2 - desal plants have a high operating cost. might be cheaper to dig the reservoir.

You know we have 4 desal plants already and plans for 2 more ?

How many times have we stayed on the path towards sustainable development?

That's not an answer. If you know nothing about the desal plants just say so.

I happen to know it's energy intensive and costs taxpayers more per gallon than it would be to treat a gallon of fresh water from a source that is of exceptional quality.
But as laws aren't enforced and the environment is neglected our fresh water reserves quality drop so it now costs more per gallon.
As the costs increase and some cannot be treated with the conventional methods we now have to turn to desalination. It's expensive and it wouldn't have cost anything to enforce the law and protect the environment.

What's your argument again?

What are the desal plants doing NOW ?

What kind of question is that?

Make your point plz. I don't think we both on the same page here.

Clearly not. Read the part I bolded in the quotes. Then tell me how anything you said was relevant .

[nervewrecker]

Make your point plz.
I suspect you a woman, only beating around the damn bush with your point.

[pete]

Is the 41% lost in leaks?

[Redman]

Is the 41% lost in leaks?

Well in 2010 therabouts I was part of a Co that was tasked to find a solution to deliver 250,000 IG of water per day from NW Peninsula to La Brea.

We were looking to barge it.
When we asked about Desal/Pt Lisas the WASA engineer indicated that for them to deliver 250 to La Brea ..they would have to pump close to 500k.

Leaks and illegal taps was the reasons given.

[pete]

I was wondering if that's the real reason for water scheduling. So much is lost from leaks that if you have no pressure in the mains half the time you waste less. Even if people have their tanks filling while it's on, the overall usage drops because they are the biggest waster or water.

[shogun]

Inefficiency seems to be our Achilles heel in many gov't/state institutions

[Redman]

Company called Ampac makes military spec desalination/purification units......trailer sized up to 100,000 gpd.

Wasa should place these in communities that need water..with storage.

Gen units and storage to deal with natural disasters.
With de centralized supply chain...the big issue of transmission,leakage and accountability disappear s.
As does the cap ex of laying the pipe line network.

Which is racket fada in WAS A.

[notsoloud]

upper aripita road st anns lp#102 water wasting two days calling wasa no responce

[SR]

How many illegal taps in the beetham like illegal electrical connections....

[nervewrecker]

Having illegal connections all over is one main reason to not do anything about it is politics. If you crack down on these thieves you victimizing voters.

Cant say for sure how much is lost to leaks however, but I know its a sizable percentage.

[shogun]

What's the current status on these regulations?

Think it's safe to say precipitation isn't a problem anymore?

[Rory Phoulorie]

What's the current status on these regulations?

Think it's safe to say precipitation isn't a problem anymore?

A few days of rain and all the reservoirs and aquifers replenished?

shogun, you izza a borse hydrogeologist.

[shogun]

What's the current status on these regulations?

Think it's safe to say precipitation isn't a problem anymore?

A few days of rain and all the reservoirs and aquifers replenished?

shogun, you izza a borse hydrogeologist.

Ohgoarsh!!! didn't expect it to end yesterday, but people in the know should have an idea of a timeframe, if the rains remain consistent

I find your lack of confidence in the validity of my tuner hydrologist credentials disturbing, BTW