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Subsidising a MTS would be much cheaper than subsidising more than 50% of the fuel for 800,000 cars.Redman wrote:But Habit..the calls for the reduction in the subsidy is because we cant AFFORD IT...
zoom rader wrote:Awaits when racket rail call for parts and maintenance.
Most will end up like PTSC buses where they have have to scrap one train to supply parts for the other.
A grave yard of trains will replace the grave yard of buses. Plus they gonna have to deal with Trini work ethics which is zero productivity.
Playerz wrote:So one of the major disadvantage is the working class taxi/ maxi man can very well be on the bread line because people may choose the rapid rail over their transportation, so reduced income. How government dealing with this?
zoom rader wrote:Awaits when racket rail call for parts and maintenance.
Most will end up like PTSC buses where they have have to scrap one train to supply parts for the other.
A grave yard of trains will replace the grave yard of buses. Plus they gonna have to deal with Trini work ethics which is zero productivity.
An electric train uses and electric engine...one maybe two moving parts. A bus diesel engine on a bus requires much more maintenance than basically an elevator that runs horizontally, which is an electric train.zoom rader wrote:Awaits when racket rail call for parts and maintenance.
Most will end up like PTSC buses where they have have to scrap one train to supply parts for the other.
A grave yard of trains will replace the grave yard of buses. Plus they gonna have to deal with Trini work ethics which is zero productivity.
can you please share that record? And please don't quote Carson Charles who sings for his supper.ingalook wrote:NIDCO has gone on record as saying the cost of this project was estimated at 50-60 BILLION $$$
VII wrote:zoom rader wrote:Awaits when racket rail call for parts and maintenance.
Most will end up like PTSC buses where they have have to scrap one train to supply parts for the other.
A grave yard of trains will replace the grave yard of buses. Plus they gonna have to deal with Trini work ethics which is zero productivity.
You guys are sad lol,so based on that logic the fast ferries,airlines,choppers,water taxis,chemical plants,methanol plants,LNG plants,ammonia
plants,elevators at the financial towers,fancy passenger conduits straight up to aircraft at new airport should all end up like old PTSC buses? Or do you think a train is a bus because it's long and has many windows also?
So should we revert to the donkeys of our ancestors because of your grim tunneled view of a very talented and special little country that's still experiencing growing pains? All of the above were alien to T&T at some point and are now integral to our socio-economic status and well being as a country but you choose to trivialize that with an old bus rant..
Pal a standard electric modern light rail system is no old Chinese or South American H frame chassis bus,and part of the package is 15 years training/maintenance etc ok.
The superficiality here is comical.
ingalook wrote:NIDCO has gone on record as saying the cost of this project was estimated at 50-60 BILLION $$$
The only way that 10 Billion could ever be true is if the Minister is giving the cost in US$
There is no way that this project became 80% cheaper from 2009 to now
This is the worse idea I've heard from any government so far... they are finding new ways to waste money.
The fuel subsidy only stands at around 1 Billion according to the budget - it is self adjusting, costing more when oil prices are high and the country has money and dropping down in times of low oil prices
ingalook wrote:Am... If I can't quote the president of NIDCO who can I quote? De flickin Janitor who dust off the shelf the feasibility study was on a few months back?
Habit7 wrote:An electric train uses and electric engine...one maybe two moving parts. A bus diesel engine on a bus requires much more maintenance than basically an elevator that runs horizontally, which is an electric train.zoom rader wrote:Awaits when racket rail call for parts and maintenance.
Most will end up like PTSC buses where they have have to scrap one train to supply parts for the other.
A grave yard of trains will replace the grave yard of buses. Plus they gonna have to deal with Trini work ethics which is zero productivity.can you please share that record? And please don't quote Carson Charles who sings for his supper.ingalook wrote:NIDCO has gone on record as saying the cost of this project was estimated at 50-60 BILLION $$$
zoom rader wrote:VII wrote:zoom rader wrote:Awaits when racket rail call for parts and maintenance.
Most will end up like PTSC buses where they have have to scrap one train to supply parts for the other.
A grave yard of trains will replace the grave yard of buses. Plus they gonna have to deal with Trini work ethics which is zero productivity.
You guys are sad lol,so based on that logic the fast ferries,airlines,choppers,water taxis,chemical plants,methanol plants,LNG plants,ammonia
plants,elevators at the financial towers,fancy passenger conduits straight up to aircraft at new airport should all end up like old PTSC buses? Or do you think a train is a bus because it's long and has many windows also?
So should we revert to the donkeys of our ancestors because of your grim tunneled view of a very talented and special little country that's still experiencing growing pains? All of the above were alien to T&T at some point and are now integral to our socio-economic status and well being as a country but you choose to trivialize that with an old bus rant..
Pal a standard electric modern light rail system is no old Chinese or South American H frame chassis bus,and part of the package is 15 years training/maintenance etc ok.
The superficiality here is comical.
Let's see,
I used the fast ferries weekend gone for cycling in Tobago and they were in a mess. Very dirty and worn out seats. Vessels looks like 30 year old. On the plus note it was on time.
CAL I stopped travelling with dem a while now . The insides of the aircrafts on the London route is very dirty with tattered seats, the display screens do not work. The air stewards used to be very professional but time eroded that away to a KFC worker. Just remember BWIA went bust and CAL in a mess.
Chemical plants, Ammonia, Methanol, steel plants to which I have worked on all years ago had high standards of workers and where part private and little Government interference where it came to hiring the workforce. In those plants you have to work, a 12hrs shift is a 12hrs shift. You have to be productive. Had it been government hiring it would have been in a mess and zero productivity just like when they ran ISCOTT.
Anything government owns is filled with sub standard workers and with a lazy mentally.
This Government should not get involved in a business which they don't understand. They should have partnered with a company that does and let them run the business. You cannot trust PNM to do any business.
I said it before and will say it again government should not get involved with business. They tried with ISCOTT, Caroni , BWIA, Tanteak , Sugar manufacturing company and all failed.
And guess what you have to pay for it.
ingalook wrote:zoom rader wrote:VII wrote:zoom rader wrote:Awaits when racket rail call for parts and maintenance.
Most will end up like PTSC buses where they have have to scrap one train to supply parts for the other.
A grave yard of trains will replace the grave yard of buses. Plus they gonna have to deal with Trini work ethics which is zero productivity.
You guys are sad lol,so based on that logic the fast ferries,airlines,choppers,water taxis,chemical plants,methanol plants,LNG plants,ammonia
plants,elevators at the financial towers,fancy passenger conduits straight up to aircraft at new airport should all end up like old PTSC buses? Or do you think a train is a bus because it's long and has many windows also?
So should we revert to the donkeys of our ancestors because of your grim tunneled view of a very talented and special little country that's still experiencing growing pains? All of the above were alien to T&T at some point and are now integral to our socio-economic status and well being as a country but you choose to trivialize that with an old bus rant..
Pal a standard electric modern light rail system is no old Chinese or South American H frame chassis bus,and part of the package is 15 years training/maintenance etc ok.
The superficiality here is comical.
Let's see,
I used the fast ferries weekend gone for cycling in Tobago and they were in a mess. Very dirty and worn out seats. Vessels looks like 30 year old. On the plus note it was on time.
CAL I stopped travelling with dem a while now . The insides of the aircrafts on the London route is very dirty with tattered seats, the display screens do not work. The air stewards used to be very professional but time eroded that away to a KFC worker. Just remember BWIA went bust and CAL in a mess.
Chemical plants, Ammonia, Methanol, steel plants to which I have worked on all years ago had high standards of workers and where part private and little Government interference where it came to hiring the workforce. In those plants you have to work, a 12hrs shift is a 12hrs shift. You have to be productive. Had it been government hiring it would have been in a mess and zero productivity just like when they ran ISCOTT.
Anything government owns is filled with sub standard workers and with a lazy mentally.
This Government should not get involved in a business which they don't understand. They should have partnered with a company that does and let them run the business. You cannot trust PNM to do any business.
I said it before and will say it again government should not get involved with business. They tried with ISCOTT, Caroni , BWIA, Tanteak , Sugar manufacturing company and all failed.
And guess what you have to pay for it.
Zoom that not fair to say, the water taxi staff is courteous and very professional... I remember once i was boarding and there was a bit of a drizzle, one of the staff with dreads rushed to my assistance holding an umbrella over my head - I was taken aback... especially since I have a penis
The water taxis and their terminals are kept clean too, sure there is wear and tear, but there is not glaring signs of "trini maintenance" either
So, we can do it if we try... we just have to hold ourselves to a higher standard
zoom rader wrote:Don't speak about things which you know know nothing about.
Do research on electric motor maintenance, especially if it is DC motors. I guess these motors don't use brushes or bearings. Contactors that needs serving.
I guess these trains don't use wheels that needs bearings. Seat that needs attention, the electrics that operate the doors. The operator consoles and main command centre.
Maintenance on a train is a 24 hrs operation. London transport has its hands full when it comes to maintenance plus it's very expensive to look after.
Train maintenance is more than a bus, trains needs special parts, u can't go by faizs for a set of 600VDC motor brushes .
World class, some of the best customer service in T&T. It is very counter to your believe that trinis cannot run and maintain a transport system.zoom rader wrote:That is why I did not comment on the water taxi. I never used it so I can't comment on it. May be some other folks can share their experience on the water taxis.
Habit7 wrote:It's sad to see so many of you so myopic about this project. Most of the questions you all are asking were answered since 2009. Our regional competitors like Panama, Dominica Republic and Puerto Rico are leaving us behind with their mass transit systems while some in T&T believe the way to solve traffic is not to create hubs like every other country in the world, but to dissolve the urban area and place a ministry in Couva, one in Tabaquite, another in Lopinot and three Mayaro thus further relying on personal transport to conduct business.
The PNM campaigned on reducing traffic through a mass transit system, the UNC campaigned on reducing traffic by having in 5yrs one incomplete ministry building in Chaguanas as decentralisation. The ppl voted and went with the PNM's plan (just like every other major traffic initiative came from the PNM) so just sit back and allow a international lending agency oversee a hopefully corruption free project.
khandman wrote:Habit7 wrote:It's sad to see so many of you so myopic about this project. Most of the questions you all are asking were answered since 2009. Our regional competitors like Panama, Dominica Republic and Puerto Rico are leaving us behind with their mass transit systems while some in T&T believe the way to solve traffic is not to create hubs like every other country in the world, but to dissolve the urban area and place a ministry in Couva, one in Tabaquite, another in Lopinot and three Mayaro thus further relying on personal transport to conduct business.
The PNM campaigned on reducing traffic through a mass transit system, the UNC campaigned on reducing traffic by having in 5yrs one incomplete ministry building in Chaguanas as decentralisation. The ppl voted and went with the PNM's plan (just like every other major traffic initiative came from the PNM) so just sit back and allow a international lending agency oversee a hopefully corruption free project.
Ay sheep, u think before u post? Or is just pnm ftw no matter what? What is the size difference of the three "competitors" to that of Trinidad? Huge. When they do this and create hubs, how persons getting to the hubs? Flying? If you don't correct the present mass transit system, ie buses, you will see no real reduction in traffic or use of personal vehicles. But never mind rational thinking, just sheep on.
We'll if you took the time to research the competitors I listed their transit systems are in their capitals, so their land size doesn't matter. Our transit system is far beyond our small capital and incorporates the main transportation corridors of our country.De Dragon wrote:khandman wrote:Habit7 wrote:It's sad to see so many of you so myopic about this project. Most of the questions you all are asking were answered since 2009. Our regional competitors like Panama, Dominica Republic and Puerto Rico are leaving us behind with their mass transit systems while some in T&T believe the way to solve traffic is not to create hubs like every other country in the world, but to dissolve the urban area and place a ministry in Couva, one in Tabaquite, another in Lopinot and three Mayaro thus further relying on personal transport to conduct business.
The PNM campaigned on reducing traffic through a mass transit system, the UNC campaigned on reducing traffic by having in 5yrs one incomplete ministry building in Chaguanas as decentralisation. The ppl voted and went with the PNM's plan (just like every other major traffic initiative came from the PNM) so just sit back and allow a international lending agency oversee a hopefully corruption free project.
Ay sheep, u think before u post? Or is just pnm ftw no matter what? What is the size difference of the three "competitors" to that of Trinidad? Huge. When they do this and create hubs, how persons getting to the hubs? Flying? If you don't correct the present mass transit system, ie buses, you will see no real reduction in traffic or use of personal vehicles. But never mind rational thinking, just sheep on.
Nah man everything hadda be 'in tong" What they don't realize is that this has outlived its purpose and practicality.
Habit7 wrote:We'll if you took the time to research the competitors I listed their transit systems are in their capitals, so their land size doesn't matter. Our transit system is far beyond our small capital and incorporates the main transportation corridors of our country.De Dragon wrote:khandman wrote:Habit7 wrote:It's sad to see so many of you so myopic about this project. Most of the questions you all are asking were answered since 2009. Our regional competitors like Panama, Dominica Republic and Puerto Rico are leaving us behind with their mass transit systems while some in T&T believe the way to solve traffic is not to create hubs like every other country in the world, but to dissolve the urban area and place a ministry in Couva, one in Tabaquite, another in Lopinot and three Mayaro thus further relying on personal transport to conduct business.
The PNM campaigned on reducing traffic through a mass transit system, the UNC campaigned on reducing traffic by having in 5yrs one incomplete ministry building in Chaguanas as decentralisation. The ppl voted and went with the PNM's plan (just like every other major traffic initiative came from the PNM) so just sit back and allow a international lending agency oversee a hopefully corruption free project.
Ay sheep, u think before u post? Or is just pnm ftw no matter what? What is the size difference of the three "competitors" to that of Trinidad? Huge. When they do this and create hubs, how persons getting to the hubs? Flying? If you don't correct the present mass transit system, ie buses, you will see no real reduction in traffic or use of personal vehicles. But never mind rational thinking, just sheep on.
Nah man everything hadda be 'in tong" What they don't realize is that this has outlived its purpose and practicality.
Buses can't reach their full efficiency if the road is clogged with cars. PTSC already does offer an express coach service that runs mostly on time and it doesn't attract the ridership to reduce drivers. Plus it is susceptible to the same hazards like accidents, tree falls and floods. An elevated train doesn't have that hindrance.
Playerz wrote:So one of the major disadvantage is the working class taxi/ maxi man can very well be on the bread line because people may choose the rapid rail over their transportation, so reduced income. How government dealing with this?
khandman wrote:When they do this and create hubs, how persons getting to the hubs? Flying? If you don't correct the present mass transit system, ie buses, you will see no real reduction in traffic or use of personal vehicles. But never mind rational thinking, just sheep on.
Playerz wrote:So one of the major disadvantage is the working class taxi/ maxi man can very well be on the bread line because people may choose the rapid rail over their transportation, so reduced income. How government dealing with this?
EmilioA wrote:Now there is an assumption that this rapid rail will run from POS to Arima essentially along the same PBR route. Even the PNM seems to assume this. But I wonder if instead of that linear method, a hub system could be workable without having to move tens of thousands of people.
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