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Political pipers at St Augustine

Independent - October 4, 2000
By Raffique Shah

IF the platform exchange between Public Utilities Minister Ganga Singh and Education Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar is going to be standard fare at public meetings in the run-up to the general election, then I fear politics has degenerated to an “X”-rated level that is unacceptable in any decent society. This, coming from someone who is no prude, should alert these (and other) politicians that while an election campaign is “open season”, we expect them to maintain certain standards below which vulgarity overtakes “picong”. Anyone who knows me well also knows not to engage me in a “cussout” or “talking dirty”. So it’s not that I am being hypocritical, that I do not accept some light banter or even the odd risque remark on a political platform.

But what I heard at St Augustine had me wondering whether the two ministers involved in the exchange had plied themselves with alcohol or some other mind-altering substance before their “sex play” on the stage. For those who did not hear Ganga and Kamla, let me try to precis the Jean-and-Dinah behaviour that was criticised by so many when a local play so titled ran into problems over the language used by the actresses. Boasting of his achievements as Public Utilities Minister, Ganga told the UNC faithful that he was the first minister with that portfolio who “dropped pipe all over the country”. To capitalise on the sexual connotation, he added that he “dropped pipe in Kamla’s constituency, plenty pipe”. He invited the audience to ask Kamla if he was not correct.

When she came to the microphone, Kamla took Ganga’s lewd suggestions several steps further. Yes, she said, Ganga did “drop pipe in Siparia”. But she couldn’t tell “the size of the pipe” although the “pressure of the water” was good. And to underscore the lewdness while attempting to preserve her character, she added that the “only pipe I know about is Dr Bissessar’s pipe”, referring to her husband. So now there was no question as to what kind of “pipe” was being discussed as a main item on the UNC platform.

Really, for a woman who is held in high esteem by supporters and non-supporters of the UNC, Kamla has disappointed, big time too. Critics of the UNC Government will not have been surprised at Ganga’s crudeness, that being the least of his sins since he came to office almost five years ago. Having been elevated from an obscure ex-NARite activist to Prime Minister Basdeo Panday’s “Inner Cabinet”, he has been responsible for negotiating controversial deals like the Innercob/InnCogen estate and the desalination plant. He has also become quite wealthy, thanks to his ministerial job and his wife’s high-level income at Point Lisas (as he himself explained sometime ago).

Money talks, as we all know, and with wealth comes the kind of mouth-muscle one may not have physically. So that pipsqueak Ganga, wearing state of the art stilts (gilded, no less) clearly feels he can defecate on anyone: we have seen this trait among ministers in previous PNM and NAR governments who believed that power was a lifetime legacy. Ganga is clearly of that mould, so for him, “dropping pipe” on anyone, even his Cabinet colleagues, cannot be ruled out. Obviously he wallows in wealth and power, so, logically, the masses will have to be contented with “pipe” from the platform or anywhere else.

But Kamla? Really, listening to this affable lady publicly pronouncing on the “size of pipe” Ganga “dropped”, to compound that with the “water pressure”, and end up confessing that she only knew about her husband’s “pipe”, was so nauseating. I couldn’t believe she would have jumped into the gutter with Ganga—except, of course, if she were looking for more “pipe”. If, following her graphic descriptions on the platform (which many students may have listened to via radio) some students were to question her on the dimensions of “pipe” they need in order to be successful, she would have to have to elaborate, to educate them, since she’s the “pipe” expert.

Jokes aside, I wonder what the normally vocal women’s groups will have to say about the minister’s conduct in St Augustine. When Iwer George put an Indian girl’s “bottom on de road” a few years ago, he was subjected to assaults from all quarters, none moreso than the Hindu Women’s Organisation, which called for the song to be banned. Cafra, another women’s NGO, has been harsh on calypsonians who have debased women in song, as has Prime Minister Panday, who was most offended when Sugar Aloes sang about his wife. Indeed, Carlos John was part of the NCC that banned Aloes from the Dimanche Gras show because of his “disrespect for women”.

Last week Wednesday, Carlos and Panday sat on the platform and applauded Ganga and Kamla. I suppose it’s okay for one from among them to assault people’s sensitivities with crude and rude behaviour. But should anything similar come from calypsonians (or journalists) it would be deemed a cardinal sin. That’s a clear case of the double standards that we have come to expect from politicians. And when the supporters of political parties endorse such crudeness, they, too, are guilty of “taking pipe” from Ganga or any other minister who dishes it out to them.

As I mentioned at the beginning of this column, I am no prude, so I am not offended by risque comments or jokes, depending on when and where they are made. I have heard comments in Parliament from several Speakers as well as members that could be deemed double entendre. Mostly, they were not in poor taste and people laughed at them. Too, when you are in private, there is nothing wrong with adults engaging in such “X-rated” talk. Such talk may be offensive to the very religious (although I’ve known some priests whose wit was...let’s say rated-R) and the very hypocritical.

A political platform, though, is not an adults-only theatre or a calypso tent or a comedy festival. Sure, it would be boring if the speakers can’t get their audiences to erupt in laughter from time to time. But there must be limits to what is acceptable language politics. The UNC in particular seems not to recognise these limits, what with the Prime Minister endorsing Dhanraj Singh’s “neck wine” at official functions and now the lewdness of Ganga and Kamla. I guess the next step will be for both ministers to “get down” on the stage and simulate how “Ganga drop pipe on Kamla”. That, accompanied by Gypsy singing Sparrow’s “Elaine, Harry and Mama” (I know he’s too much of a gentleman to debase himself) would be sure to draw huge crowds..and possibly the Moral Ethics Squad.

Please, let us not descend into the cesspit of vulgarity in order to capture a few votes. It’s disgusting behaviour from people who are meant to be exemplars in the society, especially in the case of the Education Minister, who our young, impressionable minds are influenced by in no small measure.

[pioneer]

k      

[music madness crew]

All ah dat to defend the cyat?

[ruffneck_12]

pipe is a part of life tho

[black start]

idk na

[antlind]

What did Raffique expect....a serious discussion on the economic state of the nation?
Our political landscape is such that these political rallies and platforms are an excuse for our politicians to engage in picong and false allegations intended to stir up the crowd. It is shameful and embarrassing that these 'educated ' politicians cannot host a forum consisting of relevant topics that affect the general population.
But as the saying goes........we like it so.

[DVSTT]

That's a lot to read. Anyone got cliff notes?

[pioneer]

OP wants pipe plunged into him.

[DVSTT]

OP wants pipe plunged into him.

..

Lolz

[1UZFE]

OP wants pipe plunged into him.

Hahahaha ohggaarrddd

[zoom rader]

OP wants pipe plunged into him.

That is typical of the PNM menfolk, remember the women MPs in the PNM have move testosterone and the men have more homosexual tendencies.

[RASC]

OP wants pipe plunged into him.

That is typical of the PNM menfolk, remember the women MPs in the PNM have move testosterone and the men have more homosexual tendencies.

I believe you, you're an expert on this.
You've been talking about who's a homosexual or not for a while.
You really are the resident GAYOLOGIST!

Cheers

[RASC]

Confirmed: Zoom Rader is an EXPERT on HOMOSEXUALITY.

Are we surprised?

[zoom rader]

OP wants pipe plunged into him.

That is typical of the PNM menfolk, remember the women MPs in the PNM have move testosterone and the men have more homosexual tendencies.

I believe you, you're an expert on this.
You've been talking about who's a homosexual or not for a while.
You really are the resident GAYOLOGIST!

Cheers

You getting butt hurt that PNM is filled with fudge packers.
What u defending the PNM Men folk
Gladiator and Brown will be pleased

[RASC]

The proof is above. You've posted numerous homosexuality themes responses or discussions within the last few months.

[zoom rader]

The proof is above. You've posted numerous homosexuality themes responses or discussions within the last few months.

The public needs to know the moral fiber of these PNM ppl and what they voting for.
You for one always speaking of the Alfa male while trying to link the beta male to the PP. It is well known that there are more beta males in the PNM that ever before.
Why you think Rowley remains top dog.

[RASC]

The proof is above. You've posted numerous homosexuality themes responses or discussions within the last few months.

The public needs to know the moral fiber of these PNM ppl and what they voting for.
You for one always speaking of the Alfa male while trying to link the beta male to the PP. It is well known that there are more beta males in the PNM that ever before.
Why you think Rowley remains top dog.

Alpha vs Beta translates to Homosexuality?

Does being a Homosexual automatically mean you're Beta? Please explain- you know more on this topic than the average person here

[zoom rader]

The proof is above. You've posted numerous homosexuality themes responses or discussions within the last few months.

The public needs to know the moral fiber of these PNM ppl and what they voting for.
You for one always speaking of the Alfa male while trying to link the beta male to the PP. It is well known that there are more beta males in the PNM that ever before.
Why you think Rowley remains top dog.

Alpha vs Beta translates to Homosexuality?

Does being a Homosexual automatically mean you're Beta? Please explain- you know more on this topic than the average person here

Alpha male is like Sharma , a lil ugly but has a string of females at his call.
Beta male is like Browne, no explaining there.

[ruffneck_12]

I hope people doh actually be taking ZoomRader seriously boy

does zoomrader take zoomrader seriously?

[zoom rader]

I hope people doh actually be taking ZoomRader seriously boy

does zoomrader take zoomrader seriously?

:grin::grin:

[RASC]

The proof is above. You've posted numerous homosexuality themes responses or discussions within the last few months.

The public needs to know the moral fiber of these PNM ppl and what they voting for.
You for one always speaking of the Alfa male while trying to link the beta male to the PP. It is well known that there are more beta males in the PNM that ever before.
Why you think Rowley remains top dog.

Alpha vs Beta translates to Homosexuality?

Does being a Homosexual automatically mean you're Beta? Please explain- you know more on this topic than the average person here

Alpha male is like Sharma , a lil ugly but has a string of females at his call.
Beta male is like Browne, no explaining there.

Sharma beat a woman... Beating women is Alpha?

[pioneer]

Ent beatin anybody is ah crime?

[zoom rader]

The proof is above. You've posted numerous homosexuality themes responses or discussions within the last few months.

The public needs to know the moral fiber of these PNM ppl and what they voting for.
You for one always speaking of the Alfa male while trying to link the beta male to the PP. It is well known that there are more beta males in the PNM that ever before.
Why you think Rowley remains top dog.

Alpha vs Beta translates to Homosexuality?

Does being a Homosexual automatically mean you're Beta? Please explain- you know more on this topic than the average person here

Alpha male is like Sharma , a lil ugly but has a string of females at his call.
Beta male is like Browne, no explaining there.

Sharma beat a woman... Beating women is Alpha?

May need to ask Donna Cox for Slapping up a PNM beta male for that.

[goalpost]

d phoq...Chandresh Sharma is an alpha male oui....

[TRAE]

people using a young kamla to critize old kamla?

[zoom rader]

people using a young kamla to critize old kamla?

Not people just PNM clowns only

[TRAE]

people using a young kamla to critize old kamla?

Not people just PNM clowns only

personally they both need to stop defamation and start governance---- fire de couteau----- that is a waste of break

[Spitfir3]

^^not going to happen as long as PNM & UNC exist they're always going to spend most their time bickering and trying to demoralize each other rather than to do something idk useful