caroni sugar production can it be done again

[davymaraj]

Hi everyone do you think that the Govt should look in to producing sugar again seeing that globally the commodity is in demand and not forgetting that bagasse is now being used to produce ethanol.
Do you know there is a sugar producing company in south making good profit.

[zoom rader]

In private hands ex- state companies will find a way to make money. Thats why the government needs to sell of certain state own companies. There is too many lazy ass ppl employed and the wrong ppl employed that have no zeal and only seeks a paycheck while doing nothing.

[VexXx Dogg]

Caroni's problem was primarily gross mismanagement.
The corruption and bobol in there was a cancer that eventually killed the company.

The PNM was simply the doctor that pulled the plug. Caroni made things bad for itself as far back as the 80's.

The sugar industry is very viable. We have the land, the human capital and expertise. Can get both food and alternative fuel.

I wonder if any research was done to revive the sugar industry by the current govt

[Dizzy28]

^ Do we still have the land? I would think significant portions have been carved up for use in many different places. What is still there probably not contiguous anymore.

[kg494EJ-1]

Caroni's problem was primarily gross mismanagement.
The corruption and bobol in there was a cancer that eventually killed the company.

The PNM was simply the doctor that pulled the plug. Caroni made things bad for itself as far back as the 80's.

The sugar industry is very viable. We have the land, the human capital and expertise. Can get both food and alternative fuel.

I wonder if any research was done to revive the sugar industry by the current govt

I believe it sitting somewhere in a office, I know for a fact research was done by a private group to revitalise the sugar industry however from the plans to go ahead and distribute the lands I guess it was not considered.

[nemisis]

In private hands ex- state companies will find a way to make money. Thats why the government needs to sell of certain state own companies. There is too many lazy ass ppl employed and the wrong ppl employed that have no zeal and only seeks a paycheck while doing nothing.

once you not working private then it makes no sense to not be lazy, in govt office you doing your senior work and yours, in family buisness your job description never ending. Private is the only place hard work is rewarded

[Rainman]

ETHANOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[joker]

But there is a sugar.mill in operation...

[Rory Phoulorie]

. . .Do you know there is a sugar producing company in south making good profit.

But there is a sugar.mill in operation...

Is this different to the Sugar Manufacturing Company Limited?

[joker]

Yes it is ....it is privately owned!

[VexXx Dogg]

Yep, heard about the small business. Single owner, family run operation right?

[sliderz1]

ETHANOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

this

[zoom rader]

In private hands ex- state companies will find a way to make money. Thats why the government needs to sell of certain state own companies. There is too many lazy ass ppl employed and the wrong ppl employed that have no zeal and only seeks a paycheck while doing nothing.

once you not working private then it makes no sense to not be lazy, in govt office you doing your senior work and yours, in family buisness your job description never ending. Private is the only place hard work is rewarded

This is why government should have no business running a business.
In the UK the government just sold off the Royal mail post office. Wish TT sells off TT post aswell and other useless services.
Private is the best option but here in trini workers are somewhat exploited and unions are useless.

[nemisis]

In private hands ex- state companies will find a way to make money. Thats why the government needs to sell of certain state own companies. There is too many lazy ass ppl employed and the wrong ppl employed that have no zeal and only seeks a paycheck while doing nothing.

once you not working private then it makes no sense to not be lazy, in govt office you doing your senior work and yours, in family buisness your job description never ending. Private is the only place hard work is rewarded

This is why government should have no business running a business.
In the UK the government just sold off the Royal mail post office. Wish TT sells off TT post aswell and other useless services.
Private is the best option but here in trini workers are somewhat exploited and unions are useless.

somewhat exploited? You kidding right? Exploitation by business owners and exploration by unions. Then if the hurdles to own business not bad enough you have to compete against those who have customs in their favor...

[Habit7]

In private hands ex- state companies will find a way to make money. Thats why the government needs to sell of certain state own companies. There is too many lazy ass ppl employed and the wrong ppl employed that have no zeal and only seeks a paycheck while doing nothing.

once you not working private then it makes no sense to not be lazy, in govt office you doing your senior work and yours, in family buisness your job description never ending. Private is the only place hard work is rewarded

This is why government should have no business running a business.
In the UK the government just sold off the Royal mail post office. Wish TT sells off TT post aswell and other useless services.
Private is the best option but here in trini workers are somewhat exploited and unions are useless.

What some don't understand is that Caroni (1975) Ltd was unprofitable since inception. The several private estates that composed Caroni were going bankrupt and would have sent thousands on the breadline. The government of the day acted to save the income of these ppl and bought up the Caroni lands, formed the umbrella company and threw every agribusiness methodology in the book to make it profitable, it still failed. Even Panday's administration realised the need close down Caroni just as it was supposed to happen in 1975 and began the process, and the Manning administration pulled the plug and offered them far more they would have gotten in 1975.

TTPost is the result of one of the best ventures of the Panday administration. It was privatized and ran by the New Zealand Post International Limited for 5yrs. It did improve efficiency and profitability of TTPost but like 97% of worldwide postal operators it is essentially run by the government. It has to be subsidized because it is an essential service, and in a small country like ours nobody wants to buy a postal service, unlike the UK.
I had to do a paper on TTPost once, here is one of my sources http://www-wds.worldbank.org/external/d ... i0page.pdf

[The_Honourable]

Remembering Caroni

Sunday officially marked 13 years since the doors of Caroni 1975 Limited were closed, ending the sugar era in this country. Today thousands of retrenched ex-Caroni workers are yet to receive all or part of their promised separation packages.

In part one of this two-part series, reporter Cindy Raghubar-Teekersingh and cameraman Michael Ramsingh bring us the stories of two men who toiled for decades in the sugar plains of Caroni.

[sMASH]

From what I understood, is that caroni major market was Europe, and as they sought to source closer to home, they gave a severance to the Caroni, via the govt, to help reorient the firmer caroni workers.


Caroni was a case study for the economics teacher that I took lessons from

[EFFECTIC DESIGNS]

No it cannot be done again, Trinidad is just too corrupt for something like this.

Perhaps under a private company but who in their right mind would grow sugar here when you can just grow it in Guyana?

[sMASH]

To be done, it would need to be private.

[16 cycles]

Yes pls....for e85 or at least an e10 option at the pump...

[hustla_ambition101]

Look to see who the majority of Caroni lands went to 2010 to 2015......

[hassanvoyeau]

"Can" and "should" are two different things. Many things can be done BUT shouldn't be done.

[X_Factor]

that kinda work, you also have to be born into it, doing it from small, because that isnt an easy job
with the current generation, getting labour will be hard
even now farmers complain that getting workers is a difficult job

[matr1x]

If it privatized, the exploitation will be sickening

[Ben_spanna]

We should be a majoy sugar and ethanol exporter... but our governments made sure we failed.

[pugboy]

sugarcane farming then and now is two different thing
it was primitive methods back then, now a lot of technology used
not to mention the refining of sugar

[Trinispougla]

Hi everyone do you think that the Govt should look in to producing sugar again seeing that globally the commodity is in demand and not forgetting that bagasse is now being used to produce ethanol.
Do you know there is a sugar producing company in south making good profit.

Sugar not going to be profitable at any significant level. The reason for that is that the major consumers(i.e Western Europe) felt that in the 1980s, they were paying too much to prop up so-called new world economies. In the 1960s, as a pseudo-apology for colonialism, they agreed to buy sugar, among other things, would be bought at preferential rates to the producers. I believe bananas were also in this group. It lasted for a while, but at the Lome Convention in the 90s, Europe decided that system had run its course and they stopped it. Sugar became unprofitable and that is why the Government at the time decided to start the wrapping up process. I don't think it will be a good investment as you have to think about labor, machinery, transport and now in international trade you need to think about an intermediary private enterprise

[vaiostation]

Rowley: We were not racist on Caroni

Rowley: We were not racist on Caroni
THE Prime Minister has strongly denied the PNM was racist for having closed Caroni (1975) Ltd in 2003 under the Patrick Manning administration.

He was addressing a PNM rally at La Horquetta Regional Complex on Thursday. He said such an allegation had been made by someone amid the outpouring of accolades at the recent death of Sanatan Dharma Maha Sabha head Satnarayan Maharaj.

Dr Rowley said in 1975 a PNM government had bought sugar estates from owners keen to sell and had then run the industry for 20 years buoyed by preferential prices in the United States and Europe.

However, this overseas support was ended by the World Trade Organisation, leading to the closure of Caroni, as sugar estates also shut in St Kitts, Antigua and Jamaica, none of which countries were accused of racism.

“Yet only last week I had to read the Caroni closure was due to racism,” said an exasperated Rowley.

He recalled the Government had spent $9 billion in Caroni’s closure on things such as providing benefits to ex-workers.

Rowley hit the media for their uncritical reporting on the issue, including the Opposition’s plans to restart the local sugar cane industry.

“What really galls me is, the media will just print that without any challenge,” he said.

The PM recalled how the Government had tried to keep the economy steady, resisting calls to trim the budget.

He said, “Some of you might not have made it.”
He criticised individuals he had recently met who were demanding he give them “more, more, more,” as he replied that you cannot get more from less.

Saying the Energy Minister smiles at everything, the PM said Franklin Khan’s recent news that TT has just ten years of natural gas reserves left now means it will run out before the SEA exam date of a baby born today, unless new gas deposits are found.

“You don’t know what we’ve been through,” Rowley said of the challenges of governance.

https://newsday.co.tt/2019/11/22/rowley ... aZOkVpWPt8

[rspann]

Anybody knows our sugar import bill per annum? I've always wondered why sugar and rice couldnt be continued to be produced here and save some of that foreign exchange. Guyana does it still and I've seen large estates in Florida producing for the US

[VexXx Dogg]

Anybody knows our sugar import bill per annum? I've always wondered why sugar and rice couldnt be continued to be produced here and save some of that foreign exchange. Guyana does it still and I've seen large estates in Florida producing for the US

Yep. And that Demerara gold sugar is better than grade A Columbian cocaine