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Re: ***The Official 2021 Formula 1 season thread***

Postby MG Man » October 11th, 2021, 8:21 am

good race
lulu back to boofing his team

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Re: ***The Official 2021 Formula 1 season thread***

Postby bluefete » October 24th, 2021, 1:46 pm

Folks:

US GRAND PRIX IS LIVE on FLOW - ABC - Channel 121 - NOW

Race has not started as yet.

Start is: Max in Pole, Hamilton in 2nd.

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Re: ***The Official 2021 Formula 1 season thread***

Postby worksux101 » October 24th, 2021, 2:39 pm

Potential to be one of the best races of the season.
LH vs Max
Seb and Alonso starting at the back
Ferrari vs McL
Bottas with the fastest car starting 9th

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Re: ***The Official 2021 Formula 1 season thread***

Postby worksux101 » October 24th, 2021, 8:45 pm

Great race today.
Max showed he has what it takes. Drove the last few laps brilliantly.
Seb cut through..FA vs Alfa was interesting, as was the McL Ferrari battle.
Bottas vs Sainz in the end was phenomenal also.

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Re: ***The Official 2021 Formula 1 season thread***

Postby Slartibartfast » October 26th, 2021, 8:41 am

That was a nail biter. Looks like RB called merc's strategy when they pitted early and forced them to go long. A gamble that could have gone either way but Verstappen didn't put a foot wrong. I loving the McL and SF battle for third though.

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Re: ***The Official 2021 Formula 1 season thread***

Postby teems1 » October 26th, 2021, 10:14 am

worksux101 wrote:Great race today.
Max showed he has what it takes. Drove the last few laps brilliantly.
Seb cut through..FA vs Alfa was interesting, as was the McL Ferrari battle.
Bottas vs Sainz in the end was phenomenal also.


Lewis was gaining a 0.4 seconds every lap, but once he reached behind max and was in the dirty air, he was unable to make any ground. From that moment we all knew the race was over.

Next year's car hopefully fixes the problem of being able to follow with the way the wake is sent upwards instead of behind.

Also COTA has too many fast sweeping corners like Maggots/Becketts and Chapel or the Senna S. They look good, but you can never pass there.

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Re: ***The Official 2021 Formula 1 season thread***

Postby worksux101 » October 26th, 2021, 11:12 am

teems1 wrote:
worksux101 wrote:Great race today.
Max showed he has what it takes. Drove the last few laps brilliantly.
Seb cut through..FA vs Alfa was interesting, as was the McL Ferrari battle.
Bottas vs Sainz in the end was phenomenal also.


Lewis was gaining a 0.4 seconds every lap, but once he reached behind max and was in the dirty air, he was unable to make any ground. From that moment we all knew the race was over.

Next year's car hopefully fixes the problem of being able to follow with the way the wake is sent upwards instead of behind.

Also COTA has too many fast sweeping corners like Maggots/Becketts and Chapel or the Senna S. They look good, but you can never pass there.


No different to Max at the start...was clearly faster than LH but couldn't pass even in drs. Became clear to rbr that track position was the way to go rather than raw speed. W

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Re: ***The Official 2021 Formula 1 season thread***

Postby gt4tified » November 7th, 2021, 6:24 pm

Total shite again today for Bottas as he gets rear ended and spun out from pole to dead last, then an 11.7 sec pit stop after clawing his way to 9th. He need a bush bath yes.

Really happy for Checo, first podium before your home crowd....what a momentous occasion!
Verstappen proves yet again that RedBull gives you wings...soab was flying once again!

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Re: ***The Official 2021 Formula 1 season thread***

Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » November 7th, 2021, 9:06 pm

Real hard luck for Bottas :(
Bottas made room for Hamilton and ended up in a collision.
Max showing he has the guts needed. He took a risk going extra late on the brakes overtaking Hamilton on the first corner with a full tank of gas, relative cold tyres and brakes.

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Re: ***The Official 2021 Formula 1 season thread***

Postby worksux101 » November 8th, 2021, 8:41 am

Says alot about Wolff and LH how they've thrown VB under the bus after y'day when the guy made such a clear effort to let LH through and protect his rear

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Re: ***The Official 2021 Formula 1 season thread***

Postby teems1 » November 8th, 2021, 10:54 am

worksux101 wrote:Says alot about Wolff and LH how they've thrown VB under the bus after y'day when the guy made such a clear effort to let LH through and protect his rear
After that spin in T1, that went out the window.

VB was only good for taking the fastest lap away from Max.

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Re: ***The Official 2021 Formula 1 season thread***

Postby MG Man » November 11th, 2021, 8:49 am

worksux101 wrote:Says alot about Wolff and LH how they've thrown VB under the bus after y'day when the guy made such a clear effort to let LH through and protect his rear


lol like their 'character' wasn't obvious from day one?
Wolf is a proper cyat
Left to be seen how things will play out with Georgeboy next year

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Re: ***The Official 2021 Formula 1 season thread***

Postby worksux101 » November 11th, 2021, 9:51 am

MG Man wrote:
worksux101 wrote:Says alot about Wolff and LH how they've thrown VB under the bus after y'day when the guy made such a clear effort to let LH through and protect his rear


lol like their 'character' wasn't obvious from day one?
Wolf is a proper cyat
Left to be seen how things will play out with Georgeboy next year

Don't be surprised if toto pulls a binotto and treats LH as they treated Seb once it becomes clear George is faster

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Re: ***The Official 2021 Formula 1 season thread***

Postby worksux101 » November 12th, 2021, 6:26 pm

LH under investigation for DRS opening too high. Explains the huge gap with him and not only Max but VB as well

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Re: ***The Official 2021 Formula 1 season thread***

Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » November 12th, 2021, 8:23 pm

Yup

curious to see the stewards' action on this
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Re: ***The Official 2021 Formula 1 season thread***

Postby worksux101 » November 12th, 2021, 9:20 pm

They postponed judgement till the morning. Load of nonsense imo - a technical infringement has no gray area - if Seb was dsq for a tiny bit less of fuel, this should be the same.

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Re: ***The Official 2021 Formula 1 season thread***

Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » November 12th, 2021, 10:13 pm

worksux101 wrote:They postponed judgement till the morning. Load of nonsense imo - a technical infringement has no gray area - if Seb was dsq for a tiny bit less of fuel, this should be the same.

I think they delayed because video came out with Max touching or checking Hamilton's rear wing after qualifying and since that section is considered to be parc ferme, that isn't allowed.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/TOS4ZPRxNDU

https://racingnews365.com/fia-issue-ins ... r-wing/amp

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Re: ***The Official 2021 Formula 1 season thread***

Postby teems1 » November 13th, 2021, 7:49 am

worksux101 wrote:They postponed judgement till the morning. Load of nonsense imo - a technical infringement has no gray area - if Seb was dsq for a tiny bit less of fuel, this should be the same.
Max used his hulk like strength to sabotage the rear wing.

If it fails scrutineering now it's Red Bull's fault.

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Re: ***The Official 2021 Formula 1 season thread***

Postby worksux101 » November 13th, 2021, 12:14 pm

Predictions anyone?
My guess is Ham to the back of the sprint grid and Max with a 5 place grid penalty for either race.
That said, horner made it clear there's lots of precedence for drivers touching others' cars under parc ferme with no consequence, but I doubt FIA will risk appearing one sided and let max off.

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Re: ***The Official 2021 Formula 1 season thread***

Postby fq360 » November 13th, 2021, 12:35 pm

worksux101 wrote:Predictions anyone?
My guess is Ham to the back of the sprint grid and Max with a 5 place grid penalty for either race.
That said, horner made it clear there's lots of precedence for drivers touching others' cars under parc ferme with no consequence, but I doubt FIA will risk appearing one sided and let max off.



Stupid of Max really to touch the car/cars but yea, i’m thinking Ham will start at the back of the sprint grid and Max to get a 5 place grid penalty for the sprint, can’t say about the GP. this is dragging on way too long for a decision

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Re: ***The Official 2021 Formula 1 season thread***

Postby fq360 » November 13th, 2021, 1:00 pm

Max fined €50,000. No grid place penalty

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Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » November 13th, 2021, 1:03 pm

fq360 wrote:Max fined €50,000. No grid place penalty

Yup

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Re: ***The Official 2021 Formula 1 season thread***

Postby fq360 » November 13th, 2021, 1:11 pm

Hamilton disqualified from qualifying. Looks like he’s starting from the back

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Re: ***The Official 2021 Formula 1 season thread***

Postby bluefete » November 13th, 2021, 1:26 pm

Okay fellers- please explain this to me carefully because my conspiracy theorist mind is going into overdrive here.

Did Max touching the rear wing affect its capabilities in anyway, to cause the maximum to go out of whack?

If it did not, why fine him 50,000 euros? If it did, why not put him to start at the back with H instead of a 50K euros fine and no place penalty?

Why put LH at the back end of the grid to start, if Max was in the wrong?

Did Mercedes try a thing and got caught with that rear wing?

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Re: ***The Official 2021 Formula 1 season thread***

Postby worksux101 » November 13th, 2021, 1:26 pm

Ham back of the sprint race. Wherever he ends up at the end of the sprint, add 5 places and thats where he starts tmrw.
I just hope VB doesn't take out Max today.

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Re: ***The Official 2021 Formula 1 season thread***

Postby worksux101 » November 13th, 2021, 1:28 pm

bluefete wrote:Okay fellers- please explain this to me carefully because my conspiracy theorist mind is going into overdrive here.

Did Max touching the rear wing affect its capabilities in anyway, to cause the maximum to go out of whack?

If it did not, why fine him 50,000 euros? If it did, why not put him to start at the back with H instead of a 50K euros fine and no place penalty?

Why put LH at the back end of the grid to start, if Max was in the wrong?

Did Mercedes try a thing and got caught with that rear wing?


An F1 rear wing can withstand over 1000lbs of force. Max can't alter it's structure. He was fined for touching when he shouldn't have, but not for altering anything.

LH would have gained a speed advantage by a larger DRS, therefore his time is null and void, meaning it's the same result as if he didn't go out at all in Friday qualifying - therefore he starts last.

Both decisions independent of each other.

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Re: ***The Official 2021 Formula 1 season thread***

Postby fq360 » November 13th, 2021, 2:20 pm

Just have a bad feeling that Bottas will have a huge roll to play in the sprint race and the gp… just hoping he doesn’t do something stupid to take out Max

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Re: ***The Official 2021 Formula 1 season thread***

Postby bluefete » November 13th, 2021, 2:32 pm

Thank you. I also just read where Max touched it after Hamilton had done his qualifying. But as you wrote - two events independent of each other. Appreciated.

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bluefete wrote:Okay fellers- please explain this to me carefully because my conspiracy theorist mind is going into overdrive here.

Did Max touching the rear wing affect its capabilities in anyway, to cause the maximum to go out of whack?

If it did not, why fine him 50,000 euros? If it did, why not put him to start at the back with H instead of a 50K euros fine and no place penalty?

Why put LH at the back end of the grid to start, if Max was in the wrong?

Did Mercedes try a thing and got caught with that rear wing?


An F1 rear wing can withstand over 1000lbs of force. Max can't alter it's structure. He was fined for touching when he shouldn't have, but not for altering anything.

LH would have gained a speed advantage by a larger DRS, therefore his time is null and void, meaning it's the same result as if he didn't go out at all in Friday qualifying - therefore he starts last.

Both decisions independent of each other.

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Re: ***The Official 2021 Formula 1 season thread***

Postby worksux101 » November 13th, 2021, 2:38 pm

bluefete wrote:Thank you. I also just read where Max touched it after Hamilton had done his qualifying. But as you wrote - two events independent of each other. Appreciated.


There's a fan vid circulating on social media with max checking the spacing on his then LH's. Fia used the rear camera on LH's halo cockpit for evidence.

Two interesting rumours...
1. The gap was fine on the ends, but significantly larger (15mm the distance bring thrown around) in the middle...which explains why LH was so much quicker
2. RBR lodged a private query at the end of FP1, which means Merc would have had the data and still left it on LH (equivalent of knowingly cheating). This is given credence by the fact Max went straight to check after quali.

IF that's the case and RBR can prove, Merc can be in alot more trouble than simply a quali dsq.

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Re: ***The Official 2021 Formula 1 season thread***

Postby kamakazi » November 13th, 2021, 4:01 pm

Is Lewis in the same Sprint race... Boy just slicing through this field.

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