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Re: Should fireworks use be properly regulated?

Postby bluefete » January 5th, 2022, 6:30 pm

What de hell wrong with this PNM government?

I am trying to get the entire draft legislation.

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This is some of what Government is proposing to regulate fireworks use.

1. Fireworks can only be discharged without a permit on public holidays and December 31st.

2. On a public holiday fireworks can be discharged only between the hours of 8pm-9pm.

3. On December 31st fireworks can only be discharged between the hours of 11:30pm-1am.

4. A person shall not discharge fireworks within a half mile radius of a hospital, home for the elderly, zoo, forest reserve, national park or animal farm.

5. To discharge fireworks outside of a public holiday will require a permit from the Police Commissioner.

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Re: Should fireworks use be properly regulated?

Postby timelapse » January 5th, 2022, 7:08 pm

That actually sounds a bit reasonable

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Re: Should fireworks use be properly regulated?

Postby bluefete » January 5th, 2022, 7:35 pm

timelapse wrote:That actually sounds a bit reasonable


Do you live in T&T?

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Re: Should fireworks use be properly regulated?

Postby DMan7 » January 5th, 2022, 8:06 pm

I was hoping for an outright ban tho.

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Re: Should fireworks use be properly regulated?

Postby redmanjp » January 5th, 2022, 8:09 pm

It will reduce the amount of fireworks being set off but it would not have prevented the fire in Belmont as that would likely have been set off during the allowed hours of December 31st.

The existing law bans it in any residential area. This should remain so but allow it to be used in a nearby park or savannah away from houses.

So if u want to set it off or watch then go to a park or savannah instead of within meters of ppl houses.
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Re: Should fireworks use be properly regulated?

Postby david12 » January 5th, 2022, 8:10 pm

I was hoping for the same thing, a complete ban but so far this seems like a step in the right direction.
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Re: Should fireworks use be properly regulated?

Postby DMan7 » January 5th, 2022, 8:10 pm

NO! Ban it outright! Trini's don't deserve to have nice things like Fireworks. They Jackarse the scene too much with everything and anything.

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Re: Should fireworks use be properly regulated?

Postby zoom rader » January 5th, 2022, 8:33 pm

david12 wrote:I was hoping for the same thing, a complete ban but so far this seems like a step in the right direction.
1% will not be pleased

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Re: Should fireworks use be properly regulated?

Postby pugboy » January 5th, 2022, 8:58 pm

don’t the existing laws already have restrictions on where fireworks can be discharged ?
the problem is enforcement

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Re: Should fireworks use be properly regulated?

Postby pugboy » January 5th, 2022, 9:03 pm

go read summary offenses act 11:02 sect 99
you not supposed to discharge in a town
even gg confirmed this

http://www.news.gov.tt/content/cautious ... dY_KCU4bDs

ferris making the law more lax except putting time restrictions
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Re: Should fireworks use be properly regulated?

Postby MaxPower » January 5th, 2022, 10:02 pm

“On December 31st fireworks can only be discharged between the hours of 11:30pm-1am”

So 1am is until 4am Trini time.

Ok got it thanks.

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Re: Should fireworks use be properly regulated?

Postby j.o.e » January 6th, 2022, 5:13 am

The law is irrelevant …… enforcement is what matters.
They should just ban the import. That’s way easier to enforce. If citizens had some discipline this could work. This will also make every public holiday noisy

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Re: Should fireworks use be properly regulated?

Postby daring dragoon » January 6th, 2022, 5:46 am

fireworks are made in china. it should be welcomed here as well as all chinese products. we should be flying a chinese flag over all govt buildings in trinidad and tobago. this should be the new normal # good governance

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Re: Should fireworks use be properly regulated?

Postby pugboy » January 6th, 2022, 5:51 am

this is the main problem

ferris talking as though there is no existing law, he really showing how much of an idiot he is
his proposed law will require the exact same enforcement by ttps or whoever.

by him saying you cannot use withing 1/2 mile of old ppl home or hospitals he has actually increased the geographic allowed place since the prior law said entire city/town

j.o.e wrote:The law is irrelevant …… enforcement is what matters.
They should just ban the import. That’s way easier to enforce. If citizens had some discipline this could work. This will also make every public holiday noisy

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Re: Should fireworks use be properly regulated?

Postby zoom rader » January 6th, 2022, 7:22 am

pugboy wrote:this is the main problem

ferris talking as though there is no existing law, he really showing how much of an idiot he is
his proposed law will require the exact same enforcement by ttps or whoever.

by him saying you cannot use withing 1/2 mile of old ppl home or hospitals he has actually increased the geographic allowed place since the prior law said entire city/town

j.o.e wrote:The law is irrelevant …… enforcement is what matters.
They should just ban the import. That’s way easier to enforce. If citizens had some discipline this could work. This will also make every public holiday noisy


Becareful dude the bloggers from Bailiser Whore house are watching you

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Re: Should fireworks use be properly regulated?

Postby RedVEVO » January 6th, 2022, 7:40 am

zoom rader wrote:
pugboy wrote:this is the main problem

ferris talking as though there is no existing law, he really showing how much of an idiot he is
his proposed law will require the exact same enforcement by ttps or whoever.

by him saying you cannot use withing 1/2 mile of old ppl home or hospitals he has actually increased the geographic allowed place since the prior law said entire city/town

j.o.e wrote:The law is irrelevant …… enforcement is what matters.
They should just ban the import. That’s way easier to enforce. If citizens had some discipline this could work. This will also make every public holiday noisy


Becareful dude the bloggers from Bailiser Whore house are watching you


All that is going to happen is that THEY will increase tax duties on the fireworks and increase fines which is
basically another tax of sorts .

But meanwhile all this is really a cover up because they did not have water in Belmont .

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Re: Should fireworks use be properly regulated?

Postby timelapse » January 6th, 2022, 7:48 am

bluefete wrote:
timelapse wrote:That actually sounds a bit reasonable


Do you live in T&T?
You clearly don't read my comments here .
I live in a noise bin in Trinidad full of illegal venes.

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Re: Should fireworks use be properly regulated?

Postby timelapse » January 6th, 2022, 8:11 am

daring dragoon wrote:fireworks are made in china. it should be welcomed here as well as all chinese products. we should be flying a chinese flag over all govt buildings in trinidad and tobago. this should be the new normal # good governance
You not in Guyana?

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Re: Should fireworks use be properly regulated?

Postby daring dragoon » January 6th, 2022, 10:31 am

I still want to see my mother country prosper for my return. China is first world country. TT should be a province in china.

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Re: Should fireworks use be properly regulated?

Postby timelapse » January 6th, 2022, 10:48 am

daring dragoon wrote:I still want to see my mother country prosper for my return. China is first world country. TT should be a province in china.
Just so you know:

The First World comprises the United States and the Soviet Union, the superpower countries respectively engaged in imperialism and in social imperialism. The Second World comprises Japan, Canada, Europe and the other countries of the global North. The Third World comprises China, the countries of Africa, Latin America, and continental Asia.[

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Re: Should fireworks use be properly regulated?

Postby ruskie » January 6th, 2022, 11:53 am

pugboy wrote:this is the main problem

ferris talking as though there is no existing law, he really showing how much of an idiot he is
his proposed law will require the exact same enforcement by ttps or whoever.

by him saying you cannot use withing 1/2 mile of old ppl home or hospitals he has actually increased the geographic allowed place since the prior law said entire city/town

j.o.e wrote:The law is irrelevant …… enforcement is what matters.
They should just ban the import. That’s way easier to enforce. If citizens had some discipline this could work. This will also make every public holiday noisy
So right. He will actually make it worse. Right now you not allowed to discharge in a town or city.... But it selling all over. If you can't discharge it in a town, then you should not be able to sell it in a town. Also, it is explosives. How de ass you selling that in a tent by the side of the road? No licence, nutting. Not even a friggin fire extinguisher nearby.

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Re: Should fireworks use be properly regulated?

Postby MaxPower » January 6th, 2022, 12:36 pm

ruskie wrote:Not even a friggin fire extinguisher nearby.


matr1x wrote:But you seem to have no problem with a big Mike bhakaying at 5 am every friggin morning. Get real .


Good afternoon Slim.

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Re: Should fireworks use be properly regulated?

Postby daring dragoon » January 6th, 2022, 2:32 pm

timelapse wrote:
daring dragoon wrote:I still want to see my mother country prosper for my return. China is first world country. TT should be a province in china.
Just so you know:

The First World comprises the United States and the Soviet Union, the superpower countries respectively engaged in imperialism and in social imperialism. The Second World comprises Japan, Canada, Europe and the other countries of the global North. The Third World comprises China, the countries of Africa, Latin America, and continental Asia.[


might be correct idk but everything comes from china, china buying up everything, china giving big loans, china rules the world. now is the time to learn mandarin

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Re: Should fireworks use be properly regulated?

Postby hover11 » January 6th, 2022, 5:04 pm

MP STUART YOUNG: FIREWORKS SHOULD NOT BE SOLD TO THE PUBLIC.

Member of Parliament for Port-of-Spain North/ St Ann’s West Stuart Young does not support fireworks being sold to members of the public.

Young made this point as he again visited the charred remains of homes in his constituency which were destroyed after a fire on New Year Day.

The fire destroyed four houses on Quarry Street after residents were using fireworks and lanterns to celebrate the turn of the new year.

Twenty-five people were left homeless.

https://www.guardian.co.tt/news/young-a ... eea190b273

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Re: Should fireworks use be properly regulated?

Postby RedVEVO » January 6th, 2022, 5:40 pm

hover11 wrote:MP STUART YOUNG: FIREWORKS SHOULD NOT BE SOLD TO THE PUBLIC.

Member of Parliament for Port-of-Spain North/ St Ann’s West Stuart Young does not support fireworks being sold to members of the public.

Young made this point as he again visited the charred remains of homes in his constituency which were destroyed after a fire on New Year Day.

The fire destroyed four houses on Quarry Street after residents were using fireworks and lanterns to celebrate the turn of the new year.

Twenty-five people were left homeless.

https://www.guardian.co.tt/news/young-a ... eea190b273


Someone neglected Belmont for years and years and now looking on with much concern :roll:

If firemen or even residents had water to douse the flames this will not be an issue .

Fire Latern permit is a red herring post-mortem approach how Trini admins solves problems.

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Re: Should fireworks use be properly regulated?

Postby redmanjp » January 6th, 2022, 6:37 pm

https://newsday.co.tt/2022/01/06/ag-shares-proposed-law-to-regulate-fireworks/

AG shares proposed law to regulate fireworks

PEOPLE wishing to discharge fireworks will only be allowed to do so on public holidays and Old Year's Night, but would otherwise require a police permit to do so.

This is if Attorney General Faris Al-Rawi is able to pass the Summary Offences (Amendment) Bill 2021 in Parliament.

Al-Rawi sent a copy of the 15-page bill to media houses on Wednesday, with a statement promising public consultations on fireworks.

An explanatory note said the bill provides for a permit system to use fireworks, requires certain entities to be notified about their intended use, allows the use of fireworks on specified days without a permit, restricts their use by individuals, restricts it in specified areas, and provides for a fixed penalty notice for an offence.

The bill defines a firework as "a device, other than a distress signal or a toy firework, consisting of a case or contrivance forming a squib, gerb, cracker, serpent, mortar shell, lance, wheel, coloured fire, Roman candle or other article specially designed or adapted for the production of a pyrotechnic effect or a sound effect.”

The proposed legislation says, "A person shall not discharge any fireworks unless he holds a valid permit issued by the Commissioner of Police."

Permits shall not be issued to a person under 18.

The permit must state the type and amount of fireworks, location, date and time during which they may be discharged.

A person who has obtained a permit must give the relevant details to several entities at least 14 days before the intended date of discharge of the fireworks. These are the Fire Service, Civil Aviation Authority, Environmental Management Authority, and the local municipal corporation.

"A person is not required to obtain a permit for the discharge of fireworks on (a) a public holiday; or (b) the 31st day of December."

A person may discharge fireworks on a public holiday from 8-9 pm and on December 31 from 11.30 pm-1 am the next day.

"A person may discharge fireworks on any land belonging to him or on any other privately owned land where the written permission of the owner of said land has been first obtained.

"A person shall not discharge fireworks in such a manner as might create danger or constitute a nuisance to any person or property, or cause or allow any unsafe act or omission during the discharge of fireworks. A person shall not discharge fireworks in, on or onto any house, vehicle or street."

A child can only use fireworks under the supervision of a parent/guardian.

Discharges must not occur within a half-mile radius of certain areas namely a hospital, home for the elderly, zoo, forest reserve, national park, or farm where animals are reared.

The AG's office is seeking public feedback on the proposals by January 26.

Its media statement attributed the bill to a call by many entities for a review of fireworks rules, even as the public was split between some wishing for a full ban, but others arguing for a retention of the colourful displays.

As a result the office had done extensive research through the Law Revision Commission to develop a policy after considering laws in the Caribbean, England, Canada and Australia among other countries.

Al-Rawi said the fireworks laws in most Caribbean countries were archaic and of little guidance for Trinidad and Tobago.

He noted a range of regulations in foreign jurisdictions. In England there was a classification system, with the police empowered to impose on-the-spot fines for misuse.

New Zealand allows sales only from November 2-5 but allows unlimited use of the fireworks sold.

Singapore has an absolute ban, Northern Ireland has banned illegal fireworks, and Chile allows only professional operators to discharge them.

"The province of Palma, Italy has also introduced legislation that insists on silent fireworks in its displays."

Al-Rawi expects to hold public meetings virtually with stakeholders to consult on fireworks. Meanwhile, comments can be sent to Criminal Justice Unit director Farzana Nazir-Mohammed who can be reached by e-mail at events@ag.gov.tt or called at 223-AGLA (223-2452) extension 3797.

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Re: Should fireworks use be properly regulated?

Postby bluefete » January 7th, 2022, 4:31 pm

The proposed bill:

One piece of utter dotishness!

https://agla.gov.tt/wp-content/uploads/ ... BILL-1.pdf

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Re: Should fireworks use be properly regulated?

Postby pugboy » January 7th, 2022, 8:29 pm

what you expect from an arm wrestler

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Re: Should fireworks use be properly regulated?

Postby 88sins » January 7th, 2022, 9:16 pm

some jackass around here setting off fireworks again.
I really feel the only real solution is to make the sale to and possession of these things by the public illegal and be done with it.

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Re: Should fireworks use be properly regulated?

Postby david12 » January 7th, 2022, 10:53 pm

88sins wrote:some jackass around here setting off fireworks again.
I really feel the only real solution is to make the sale to and possession of these things by the public illegal and be done with it.
Buh you living by me? same thing happened around the same time you talking about
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