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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby antlind » January 24th, 2022, 3:09 pm

Let’s admit. That stretch of road has always been problematic. I remember in the 1970s my old man would come home with the inside of the car swimming in salt water. We used to have to bail out water from the car. The only solution is to build an elevated roadway spanning the entire length of that coast. Trying to build at sea level would always run into these types of problems.

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby supercharged turbo » January 24th, 2022, 4:03 pm

antlind wrote:Let’s admit. That stretch of road has always been problematic. I remember in the 1970s my old man would come home with the inside of the car swimming in salt water. We used to have to bail out water from the car. The only solution is to build an elevated roadway spanning the entire length of that coast. Trying to build at sea level would always run into these types of problems.
You don't think they knew that as well?Money hadda run

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby zoom rader » January 24th, 2022, 4:36 pm

antlind wrote:Let’s admit. That stretch of road has always been problematic. I remember in the 1970s my old man would come home with the inside of the car swimming in salt water. We used to have to bail out water from the car. The only solution is to build an elevated roadway spanning the entire length of that coast. Trying to build at sea level would always run into these types of problems.
Miami does have not have this problem

This is what happens when the wrong contractors are employed

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby pugboy » January 24th, 2022, 4:46 pm

they use a lot of sheet piles and road very close to water

zoom rader wrote:
antlind wrote:Let’s admit. That stretch of road has always been problematic. I remember in the 1970s my old man would come home with the inside of the car swimming in salt water. We used to have to bail out water from the car. The only solution is to build an elevated roadway spanning the entire length of that coast. Trying to build at sea level would always run into these types of problems.
Miami does have not have this problem

This is what happens when the wrong contractors are employed

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby gastly369 » January 24th, 2022, 5:13 pm

A bridge wouldn't be easier at this point
Years and money spent?

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby goalpost » January 24th, 2022, 8:25 pm

No comments from Rohanie or Rowley?

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby pugboy » January 24th, 2022, 9:44 pm

if seawater fill up them big cracks as reported then it is total failure
gonna be a whole do over

more money for them 72s
bellagio casino is pleased

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby paid_influencer » January 24th, 2022, 10:09 pm

let the experts handle it, imo.

we getting it done

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby DMan7 » January 24th, 2022, 10:27 pm

Everything has a warranty even road infrastructure. The contractor needs to repair this free of charge on material and labor. Talk done!

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby xtech » January 25th, 2022, 8:09 am

gastly369 wrote:A bridge wouldn't be easier at this point
Years and money spent?


They thought about it but then decided against building bridges over the creek since the constant sea water blast and lack of preventative maintenance in our culture. The bridge would have collapsed suddenly and without warning and kill innocent commuters.

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby pugboy » January 25th, 2022, 8:18 am

as per zoom,
in florida there are many many bridges, causeways of concrete etc running in sea water.
we make it sound like the creek is the most unique place on the planet and only certain #72 contractors can get the job done.

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby Redman » January 25th, 2022, 8:29 am

DMan7 wrote:Everything has a warranty even road infrastructure. The contractor needs to repair this free of charge on material and labor. Talk done!


This.

Unless an Addendum was signed getting the contractor off the hook.

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby Toyopet » January 25th, 2022, 8:34 am

DMan7 wrote:Everything has a warranty even road infrastructure. The contractor needs to repair this free of charge on material and labor. Talk done!


Well that's one way to look at it.

However, supposing the Contractor built exactly as per a design provided by the Client or the Client's representative, the it would be a failure on the designer's part not so? The onus might then be for the 72er's to prove, via paperwork (reports, test logs, photos etc), that they built according to the spec provided.

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby SuperiorMan » January 25th, 2022, 8:35 am

pugboy wrote:as per zoom,
in florida there are many many bridges, causeways of concrete etc running in sea water.
we make it sound like the creek is the most unique place on the planet and only certain #72 contractors can get the job done.


Just uneducated trinis feeling they special bumping their gum.

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby SuperiorMan » January 25th, 2022, 8:36 am

zoom rader wrote:
antlind wrote:Let’s admit. That stretch of road has always been problematic. I remember in the 1970s my old man would come home with the inside of the car swimming in salt water. We used to have to bail out water from the car. The only solution is to build an elevated roadway spanning the entire length of that coast. Trying to build at sea level would always run into these types of problems.
Miami does have not have this problem

This is what happens when the wrong contractors are employed


which dummies responsible for hiring them.

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby Toyopet » January 25th, 2022, 8:40 am

pugboy wrote:they use a lot of sheet piles and road very close to water

zoom rader wrote:
antlind wrote:Let’s admit. That stretch of road has always been problematic. I remember in the 1970s my old man would come home with the inside of the car swimming in salt water. We used to have to bail out water from the car. The only solution is to build an elevated roadway spanning the entire length of that coast. Trying to build at sea level would always run into these types of problems.
Miami does have not have this problem

This is what happens when the wrong contractors are employed


Now I am not a marine engineer by any means, but would that hamper the natural interaction between the ocean and the mangrove?

I know that the road essentially is a barrier, but I curious as to if there is any interaction sub-surface that I am unaware of.

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby matr1x » January 25th, 2022, 8:52 am

Incompetent Contractors and engineers. That's the problem right there

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby Chimera » January 25th, 2022, 9:03 am

Wasn't OAS the company that was doing the initial work for that until they declared bankruptcy?

If so....hard luck for trini taxpayers.
Oas gonna get blame and it have nothing to recover from them.

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby Rory Phoulorie » January 25th, 2022, 9:12 am

matr1x wrote:Incompetent Contractors and engineers. That's the problem right there


I don't think it is the contractor's fault. It looks like what occurred there is bearing capacity failure. The contractor's construction methodology would have been guided by the engineer's instructions as that area required a special construction method due to the very soft (i.e., weak), organic and highly compressible soils.

Maybe the engineer allowed the contractor to construct the road embankment at a faster rate than it should have been and the native soils could not support the load from the new road embankment at the rate at which it would have been constructed (political pressure to get the road done ASAP perhaps?).

[/saracsm] Anyway, good thing is a foreign engineer supervising the job since everything foreign is better than local. [/saracsm]

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby pugboy » January 25th, 2022, 9:22 am

correct
any modern day contractor will have good lawyers dealing their contracts so they will make sure to work to engineering ppl instructions

some contractors known for spending more time winning in the courts than on the job

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby Dizzy28 » January 25th, 2022, 9:30 am

pugboy wrote:correct
any modern day contractor will have good lawyers dealing their contracts so they will make sure to work to engineering ppl instructions

some contractors known for spending more time winning in the courts than on the job


Laughs Eliasly!!!!

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby The_Honourable » January 25th, 2022, 10:47 am

Phone Surgeon wrote:Wasn't OAS the company that was doing the initial work for that until they declared bankruptcy?

If so....hard luck for trini taxpayers.
Oas gonna get blame and it have nothing to recover from them.


OAS was doing the initial work but they never started on that section of the creek. They started earthworks initially at Paria Suites when worked stopped at the end of 2015 and their contract terminated. Since then, all work was done by local contractors beginning in 2017.

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby Rovin » January 25th, 2022, 11:21 am

yall see d pics & vids that Edward Moodie posted on fb ? .... https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=966 ... 1107597704

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby pugboy » January 25th, 2022, 12:35 pm

from the vid

it look like regular dirt under the asphalt

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby Redman » January 25th, 2022, 1:26 pm

Is the thickness of the asphalt layer up to spec?

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby pugboy » January 25th, 2022, 1:47 pm

looks like 1-1.5”


Redman wrote:Is the thickness of the asphalt layer up to spec?

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby Redman » January 25th, 2022, 2:16 pm

lol
Thanks pug- Anybody know if the 1-1.5" is up to spec?
:D

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby agent007 » January 25th, 2022, 2:29 pm

They should have contracted the Dept of Civil and Environmental Engineering of the UWI to design it better given their graduates track record for ground breaking work.

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby pugboy » January 25th, 2022, 2:48 pm

when in doubt more is always better

Redman wrote:lol
Thanks pug- Anybody know if the 1-1.5" is up to spec?
:D

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby Chimera » January 25th, 2022, 2:55 pm

Lol it always have nice racket between contractors and the quality control people

Imagine one contractor cut their bill from 150mil to 75mil when wasa question it.

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