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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby Rovin » October 23rd, 2019, 8:35 pm

instead of elevating d old 1 why they didnt build another double lane right next to d new 1 ? ....

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby shake d livin wake d dead » October 23rd, 2019, 8:36 pm

gastly369 wrote:Road done Sinking near Bridge...


Rohnani said it was built to international standards and by experts...so doh lie on the man

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby sMASH » October 23rd, 2019, 8:42 pm

its not about over take, is about man shut down, or road getting pot hole and impassible... no laybye or shoulder.. its a hazard and would reduce the whole ting to one way ... is like any ting pnm do, they build in a flaw.

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby nervewrecker » October 23rd, 2019, 8:50 pm

Rovin wrote:instead of elevating d old 1 why they didnt build another double lane right next to d new 1 ? ....


The amount of mangrove they cut to build this one alone. I am for development eh, but that was sad to see.

An elevated roadway was the best solution, one that allows the seawater to flow into the mangrove freely.
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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby nervewrecker » October 23rd, 2019, 8:52 pm

sMASH wrote:its not about over take, is about man shut down, or road getting pot hole and impassible... no laybye or shoulder.. its a hazard and would reduce the whole ting to one way ... is like any ting pnm do, they build in a flaw.


Best part is, wasa run the line under the road eh. Not on the side, not along it, not on the road reserve, not under the reserve....under the road.

Was highlighting how people neverseecomsee before though. They said no overtaking on this new strip, but there has been a sign saying no overtaking on the creek for many years. Have they not seen the sign?

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby Rory Phoulorie » October 24th, 2019, 7:02 am

sMASH wrote:its not about over take, is about man shut down, or road getting pot hole and impassible... no laybye or shoulder.. its a hazard and would reduce the whole ting to one way ... is like any ting pnm do, they build in a flaw.

:| They building what was designed under the UNC. But you're still somewhat right. PNM real chupid to build a flawed design.

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby sMASH » October 24th, 2019, 7:48 am

Rory Phoulorie wrote:
sMASH wrote:its not about over take, is about man shut down, or road getting pot hole and impassible... no laybye or shoulder.. its a hazard and would reduce the whole ting to one way ... is like any ting pnm do, they build in a flaw.

:| They building what was designed under the UNC. But you're still somewhat right. PNM real chupid to build a flawed design.


not exactly, that stretch could have been in service a year to a year and a half ago, but they had to redesign the thing becuase of shoddy engineering. all that time, they redesigning, the material that was placed there, washing away with rain,

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby The_Honourable » October 24th, 2019, 12:10 pm

The works minister is assuring that no shoddy work went into the new segment of Mosquito Creek.

According to Rohan Sinanan, the thoroughfare will bring much-needed relief to citizens who have suffered from decades of painstaking traffic.


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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby Rovin » October 24th, 2019, 12:19 pm

no shoulder so 1 car shut down will bottleneck a whole lane .......

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby sMASH » October 24th, 2019, 3:05 pm

no freakin foresight.

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby cornfused » October 24th, 2019, 3:54 pm

Traffic and road engineers come in,

Not all roads are constructed with shoulder the Sangre Grande stretch is one such example. More to the point is that this roads is purposed to be dual carriage way. Many roads internationally are now constructed with no hard shoulder ie no stopping . If I remember correctly there are more sections on this route with no hard shoulder .

Cost is also a factor with elevated roadways such as this.

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby eliteauto » October 24th, 2019, 4:01 pm

Facts are irrelevant some persons have a DP that says " For Highway Use Only " on the back.

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby maj. tom » October 24th, 2019, 4:06 pm

The Eastern Main Road to Sangre Grande you're talking about? The old Amerindian trail turned into a road by the Spanish and then the British in the late 19th century to be purposed for donkey carts? I don't think that counts as thought and planning behind modern infrastructure that we are comparing here since it has never been upgraded since it was built.

No hard shoulder was the "theory" and was applied in UK. Labelled as "smart motorways" and this is the reasoning the UK Government had:
Mr Pates was talking to the BBC as part of a new feature looking into smart motorways and how they work.

He said the need for hard shoulders had become redundant because modern cars are now fitted with technology that warns the driver when they're about to break down, giving them plenty of time to take action and exit a motorway.

He also argued that vehicles are more reliable today than ever before and the chances of suffering a reliability issue are at an all time low.


And then of course anyone can tell you that that theory is complete BS of the highest swampwater levels. There have been deaths attributed to them because there is nowhere safe to stop in an emergency, higher risk to emergency and towing crews.
Emergency services staff and vehicle recovery mechanics have also been critical of smart motorways, saying they can make it difficult for them to respond to urgent calls and conduct their jobs safely.

PC Stuart King from the motorway police said in a BBC interview: 'We have to force our way through the small gaps between lorries, cars and whereas before we would use the hard shoulder to get there much quicker. We are now stuck.' https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/car ... gland.html


This is the official advice on the subject from the UK Government. It making sense? We living in the age of "I Robot" and everyone has Tesla supercomputer 5G networked cars? So there are no cars on the road that are more than 3 years old or something, and so they won't break down? What about a tire blowout... a Tiida acrobat rolling down the creek? What about the human factor of assured stupidity?
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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby pugboy » October 24th, 2019, 4:18 pm

Rohani say it have a defect warranty period
Lewwe see how 72 work stand up or if they claim the design is the issue and not their work.

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby Blaze d Chalice » October 24th, 2019, 4:21 pm

Don't see the problem there. (with the no-shoulder)

People who driving there suppose to know how very narrow and poor the rest of roads are in those areas, so they would be able to squeeze through that like normal.

If a car shut down at least once a day for a week, they will get accustom to that squeezing thing.
If a accident happen, hopefully the one who is wrong roll down the hill, so alyuh could squeeze around the remaining car.

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby eliteauto » October 24th, 2019, 4:24 pm

pugboy wrote:Rohani say it have a defect warranty period
Lewwe see how 72 work stand up or if they claim the design is the issue and not their work.
The issue is the foundation more than likely, marsh and peat, expect "settling " . The warranty talk is the minister putting out a caveat for what is likely to occur

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby The_Honourable » October 24th, 2019, 4:27 pm

Well said maj. tom, yuh on point.

So we suppose to believe that stretch is a smart motorway? LOL If an old bedford shut down, the driver going and look for some emergency refuge and all that nonsense? :lol:

CLEARLY it have space for an extra lane on the same side with the utility poles. Maybe it was excluded from the project plus nervewrecker's point on burying the wasa line instead of running it alongside the roadway so that the government can preach... "we save money"?

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby cornfused » October 24th, 2019, 4:33 pm

Step 1

Open google chrome

Step 2

Search dual carriageway

Step 3

Examine images

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby cornfused » October 24th, 2019, 4:35 pm

All the ray ray with the shoulder anyone who needed to use the lower road consistently would be at least a bit happy with part one of the proposed dual carriageway in this area.

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby Blaze d Chalice » October 24th, 2019, 4:37 pm

^ Nothing wrong with dual carriageway papi

But when will this be made one-way?
In 10 years?

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby sMASH » October 24th, 2019, 4:43 pm

so imagine when justice on time hadda pass through with trucks in either direction. are they supposed to obey the speed limit?

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby daxt0r » October 24th, 2019, 4:57 pm

^^
Unless they change they route but normally d bus does siparia to drop some ah we off deh

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby maj. tom » October 25th, 2019, 7:53 am

I don't know if it's a fair statement, but we have to accept it for now. Just don't break down there for the next 2 years and cause trouble for everyone.


Drivers to Sinanan: ‘Where’s the shoulder?’

...But Sinanan is reminding the travelling public that the change is temporary and asking them to bear with the ministry.

"It is not the actual highway. The reason we had to move to the embankment is so that we can now raise the other side of the road. That is going to be a two-lane highway all the way down, with shoulders, lights – everything, just like all the other areas are. Once they raise it and they have the entire area levelled, then they repave it and paint the line."

He said it is an ongoing project and it should not be expected that traffic can be completely eliminated.

"This is the most technical part. Of course, you're still going to get some traffic, because you're coming from two lanes into one lane, then back into two lanes.

"But the fact is there will be no stopping, no flooding, no saltwater on your car and it is a work in progress.

"So they will have to bear with us but it's a quantum leap from where we were before."

The highway extension is due to be completed in 2020.
https://newsday.co.tt/2019/10/24/driver ... -shoulder/

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby abbow » October 25th, 2019, 9:07 am

i hope Rohani ent that stupid...

im guessing, once the north bound lane is built, the electricity poles will be moved from the mangrove edge into the middle of both lanes (where the drain is now), allowing for a shoulder on the south bound lane..

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby shake d livin wake d dead » October 25th, 2019, 10:26 am

the man never pass common entrance...give him ah bligh nuh

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby The_Honourable » October 25th, 2019, 10:33 am

LOL... i could be wrong but if there is an intention for a shoulder, it would have been already built along the mangrove edge. So i'm guessing the metal barriers are temporary?

money spending oye :lol:

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby hydroep » October 25th, 2019, 10:39 am

At least the old road had 'shoulders' of sorts - grass on the mangrove side and pitch on the seaside - dais how we know the best spots to fish along that stretch...:lol:

Speaking of which, how people getting access to throw a line now?... :?

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » October 25th, 2019, 10:40 am

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Not sure it was mentioned before but what happens to the old road?

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby hydroep » October 25th, 2019, 10:43 am

^It's supposed to be raised to the level of the new road.

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Re: San Fernando to Point Fortin Highway

Postby Rovin » October 25th, 2019, 11:09 am

well it eh make 24hrs & somebody car shut down on it causing a jam - gr8 iz d pee nm

from that pic ent it looking like right next to d poles cuda take a extra emergency lane , maybe it wuda cost a additional 140m to do dat .....

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