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Re: Trinidad Blackout (16 Feb 2022)

Postby zoom rader » May 5th, 2022, 7:29 am

adnj wrote:
zoom rader wrote:
adnj wrote:
zoom rader wrote:
sMASH wrote:single use disposables.
Wait till you have to replace batteries and service the motors.

It's gonna be the biggest con job


Simple island folk that can't get shitt right can just ride a donkey instead.

#nikkawannalooksmart
It how the manufacturers are going to make mass money.

Ramlal auto electrical shop will void the warranty and servicing of these karts. Manufacturers will not review that kart .

Ramlal just does not have the skill or access to the parts or kits to service the motor train or batteries.

https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2015/ ... work-cars/

Simple world folk are conned


Simple island folk that can't get shitt right will get Sunny and Tiida parts from the Bamboo and ride a Maxi until the parts come in. You'll be just fine.

There will likely be a significant number of BEVs on the road worldwide soon with 50% of all new personal vehicles projected to be electric by 2030 in the UK, Europe, Japan, China, and S. Korea; and about 30% in the USA. Trinidad, Guyana, Haiti and Nigeria probably won't hit those numbers.

You don't want an EV? Don't get one. But the ICE selection of right hand drive vehicles is going to get tighter. Meanwhile, other people will be solar trickle charging their cars to save enough money to buy a new battery or motor - if/when they ever need one.
It does not work like that .

The manufacturers can shut down any of the electrical or electronic parts via GPS once tempered with.

Sure bamboo can sell u used kart electrical parts but once the parts are swapped out they need to be configured by the manufacturer to be operable. You just can't swap electrical parts like that.

Even in the cycling industry where they now use power meter pedals , you just can't change the electronic parts from one pedal to another pedal. They are all activated by the manufacturer via GPS and online.

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Re: Trinidad Blackout (16 Feb 2022)

Postby timelapse » May 5th, 2022, 7:42 am

I feel I will go into the donkey cart business.The market for donkeys already saturated

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Re: Trinidad Blackout (16 Feb 2022)

Postby zoom rader » May 5th, 2022, 8:10 am

timelapse wrote:I feel I will go into the donkey cart business.The market for donkeys already saturated
Its heading that way.

Donkeys are born every day , they pull some article off the net that gets paid by the manufacturer to promote their karts. These same Donkeys have never worked in the electrical or electronic engineering environment to know any better.

Donkeys live in a theory world without any proven methods. They believe what they read.

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Re: Trinidad Blackout (16 Feb 2022)

Postby timelapse » May 5th, 2022, 8:15 am

zoom rader wrote:
timelapse wrote:I feel I will go into the donkey cart business.The market for donkeys already saturated
Its heading that way.

Donkeys are born every day , they pull some article off the net that gets paid by the manufacturer to promote their karts. These same Donkeys have never worked in the electrical or electronic engineering environment to know any better.

Donkeys live in a theory world without any proven methods. They believe what they read.
Some donkeys are also very stubborn.They not willing to try anything other than what they know and bray all day.
Same donkeys would have thought that men like Steve Jobs, Bill Gates,Elon Musk and others like them would never create useful things.But donkeys gotta bray and be happy eating grass because they are experts at eating grass.Oats and those things too far fetched for their tiny imagination.

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Re: Trinidad Blackout (16 Feb 2022)

Postby adnj » May 5th, 2022, 8:44 am

zoom rader wrote:
adnj wrote:
zoom rader wrote:
adnj wrote:
zoom rader wrote:
sMASH wrote:single use disposables.
Wait till you have to replace batteries and service the motors.

It's gonna be the biggest con job


Simple island folk that can't get shitt right can just ride a donkey instead.

#nikkawannalooksmart
It how the manufacturers are going to make mass money.

Ramlal auto electrical shop will void the warranty and servicing of these karts. Manufacturers will not review that kart .

Ramlal just does not have the skill or access to the parts or kits to service the motor train or batteries.

https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2015/ ... work-cars/

Simple world folk are conned


Simple island folk that can't get shitt right will get Sunny and Tiida parts from the Bamboo and ride a Maxi until the parts come in. You'll be just fine.

There will likely be a significant number of BEVs on the road worldwide soon with 50% of all new personal vehicles projected to be electric by 2030 in the UK, Europe, Japan, China, and S. Korea; and about 30% in the USA. Trinidad, Guyana, Haiti and Nigeria probably won't hit those numbers.

You don't want an EV? Don't get one. But the ICE selection of right hand drive vehicles is going to get tighter. Meanwhile, other people will be solar trickle charging their cars to save enough money to buy a new battery or motor - if/when they ever need one.
It does not work like that .

The manufacturers can shut down any of the electrical or electronic parts via GPS once tempered with.

Sure bamboo can sell u used kart electrical parts but once the parts are swapped out they need to be configured by the manufacturer to be operable. You just can't swap electrical parts like that.

Even in the cycling industry where they now use power meter pedals , you just can't change the electronic parts from one pedal to another pedal. They are all activated by the manufacturer via GPS and online.


First, the word is "tampered".

You can't "shut down any of the electrical or electronic parts via GPS." GPS is received as a simultaneous set of broacasts. GPS satellites don't receive.

If immobilization is what you're talking about, that is software that relies on a receiver of the immobilization signal.

Car parts that you have today, keyfobs, head units, engine control units, also have requirements for interoperability programming - you just don't have the hardware and the software development kit to burn new instructions to the hardware. When that fails, you swap the control IC. Not much difference between interoperability programming and performance ROM tuning.

So don't tell me about how shitt can't be done. You just have no fukking clue on how to do it.

#nikkawannalooksmart

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Re: Trinidad Blackout (16 Feb 2022)

Postby zoom rader » May 5th, 2022, 9:20 am

adnj wrote:
zoom rader wrote:
adnj wrote:
zoom rader wrote:
adnj wrote:
zoom rader wrote:
sMASH wrote:single use disposables.
Wait till you have to replace batteries and service the motors.

It's gonna be the biggest con job


Simple island folk that can't get shitt right can just ride a donkey instead.

#nikkawannalooksmart
It how the manufacturers are going to make mass money.

Ramlal auto electrical shop will void the warranty and servicing of these karts. Manufacturers will not review that kart .

Ramlal just does not have the skill or access to the parts or kits to service the motor train or batteries.

https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2015/ ... work-cars/

Simple world folk are conned


Simple island folk that can't get shitt right will get Sunny and Tiida parts from the Bamboo and ride a Maxi until the parts come in. You'll be just fine.

There will likely be a significant number of BEVs on the road worldwide soon with 50% of all new personal vehicles projected to be electric by 2030 in the UK, Europe, Japan, China, and S. Korea; and about 30% in the USA. Trinidad, Guyana, Haiti and Nigeria probably won't hit those numbers.

You don't want an EV? Don't get one. But the ICE selection of right hand drive vehicles is going to get tighter. Meanwhile, other people will be solar trickle charging their cars to save enough money to buy a new battery or motor - if/when they ever need one.
It does not work like that .

The manufacturers can shut down any of the electrical or electronic parts via GPS once tempered with.

Sure bamboo can sell u used kart electrical parts but once the parts are swapped out they need to be configured by the manufacturer to be operable. You just can't swap electrical parts like that.

Even in the cycling industry where they now use power meter pedals , you just can't change the electronic parts from one pedal to another pedal. They are all activated by the manufacturer via GPS and online.


First, the word is "tampered".

You can't "shut down any of the electrical or electronic parts via GPS." GPS is received as a simultaneous set of broacasts. GPS satellites don't receive.

If immobilization is what you're talking about, that is software that relies on a receiver of the immobilization signal.

Car parts that you have today, keyfobs, head units, engine control units, also have requirements for interoperability programming - you just don't have the hardware and the software development kit to burn new instructions to the hardware. When that fails, you swap the control IC. Not much difference between interoperability programming and performance ROM tuning.

So don't tell me about how shitt can't be done. You just have no fukking clue on how to do it.

#nikkawannalooksmart
Ah boy you live in the pass .

Testla can remotely shut your kart

https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/6/21127 ... car-update

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Re: Trinidad Blackout (16 Feb 2022)

Postby adnj » May 5th, 2022, 10:04 am

zoom rader wrote:
adnj wrote:
zoom rader wrote:
adnj wrote:
zoom rader wrote:
adnj wrote:
zoom rader wrote:
sMASH wrote:single use disposables.
Wait till you have to replace batteries and service the motors.

It's gonna be the biggest con job


Simple island folk that can't get shitt right can just ride a donkey instead.

#nikkawannalooksmart
It how the manufacturers are going to make mass money.

Ramlal auto electrical shop will void the warranty and servicing of these karts. Manufacturers will not review that kart .

Ramlal just does not have the skill or access to the parts or kits to service the motor train or batteries.

https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2015/ ... work-cars/

Simple world folk are conned


Simple island folk that can't get shitt right will get Sunny and Tiida parts from the Bamboo and ride a Maxi until the parts come in. You'll be just fine.

There will likely be a significant number of BEVs on the road worldwide soon with 50% of all new personal vehicles projected to be electric by 2030 in the UK, Europe, Japan, China, and S. Korea; and about 30% in the USA. Trinidad, Guyana, Haiti and Nigeria probably won't hit those numbers.

You don't want an EV? Don't get one. But the ICE selection of right hand drive vehicles is going to get tighter. Meanwhile, other people will be solar trickle charging their cars to save enough money to buy a new battery or motor - if/when they ever need one.
It does not work like that .

The manufacturers can shut down any of the electrical or electronic parts via GPS once tempered with.

Sure bamboo can sell u used kart electrical parts but once the parts are swapped out they need to be configured by the manufacturer to be operable. You just can't swap electrical parts like that.

Even in the cycling industry where they now use power meter pedals , you just can't change the electronic parts from one pedal to another pedal. They are all activated by the manufacturer via GPS and online.


First, the word is "tampered".

You can't "shut down any of the electrical or electronic parts via GPS." GPS is received as a simultaneous set of broacasts. GPS satellites don't receive.

If immobilization is what you're talking about, that is software that relies on a receiver of the immobilization signal.

Car parts that you have today, keyfobs, head units, engine control units, also have requirements for interoperability programming - you just don't have the hardware and the software development kit to burn new instructions to the hardware. When that fails, you swap the control IC. Not much difference between interoperability programming and performance ROM tuning.

So don't tell me about how shitt can't be done. You just have no fukking clue on how to do it.

#nikkawannalooksmart
Ah boy you live in the pass .

Testla can remotely shut your kart

https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/6/21127 ... car-update


The word is "past."

Your article is about removing Tesla Autopilot, a paid subscription service.

Tesla probably can remote shutdown a vehicle - GM has been able to do it for twenty years with OnStar. You want to stop remote vehicle shutdown? Disable your communications uplink. Can't start without a ComLink? Reconfigure the vehicle OS to show the handshake as always active.

Can't reconfigure the vehicle OS? Ride a Sunny, Tiida or donkey.

Keep writing about shitt when you don't know shitt.

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Re: Trinidad Blackout (16 Feb 2022)

Postby zoom rader » May 5th, 2022, 2:53 pm

For those that want to buy a kart, think twice.

T
esla service center frustration:
Tesla does not allow its owners to repair or work on their vehicles. Except for adding washer fluid, you have to take your car into a Tesla Service center for all types of repair or maintenance. The problem arises here.

First, there is a limited number of Service Centers in each state.

Second, you have to make an appointment to fix your vehicle. Sometimes, these appointments could be after months.

Each quarter, Tesla is selling hundreds of thousands of vehicles. But the number of the service center is not increasing rapidly. Most of the owners told us that the quality of the Tesla service centers is deteriorating each day. They don’t respond to email and do not receive phone calls. Even if you make an appointment through the Tesla mobile app, your repair could take weeks. Moreover, if they don’t fix your car on time, there is no way to escalate the situation to higher management.

Frequently you will see on twitter that Tesla owners complaining to Elon Musk about their service experience.

While your Tesla is in the service center, Tesla may or may not give you a loaner vehicle depending on your location. So, at that time, you would be without any car.

Moreover, if you live in a country where there is no service center, what would happen? It’s complicated.

Phantom battery drain:
If you park your Tesla overnight, it will slowly discharge its battery. Tesla owners call it the Phantom battery drain. According to the Tesla owners manual, every Tesla battery discharges at a 1% rate per day. So, if you intend to park your vehicle at an airport, you need to keep this in mind. For example, if you leave your car for 2 months, the battery will discharge 60%.

If your battery discharges to 0%, it could damage onboard electronics. Moreover, the lithium-ion battery recharges the onboard 12V battery. If the 12V battery becomes dead, you won’t be able to unlock your Tesla. In that case, you have to tow your vehicle to the nearest electric charging station.

Less range on highway driving:
On a typical gasoline vehicle, highway driving has better mileage than city driving. For example, in a Toyota Camry, you can go up to 500 miles on the highway on a full tank. However, in the city, you can drive a maximum of 300 miles. On Tesla, the opposite is true. Tesla cars have better city mileage than on the highway. So, on a road trip, your Tesla would not go it’s rated range.

You can’t tow with a Tesla:
Theoretically, you can tow with your Tesla. However, Towing would decimate the range of your vehicle. According to owners — though it depends on how much you are pulling — towing could decrease your Tesla’s range up to 50%. So, a 400 miles Tesla would become 200 miles Tesla. It is frustrating. Because on a long road trip, it means you need to recharge your vehicle too often, increasing your travel time significantly.

Lackluster interior:
Tesla vehicles are expensive. But the interior is not luxurious similar to other cars such as BMW or Mercedes in the same price range. In short, the interior is plain and simple.

Tire wears out fast:
Tesla’s are heavy vehicles. It also has a very high torque compared to a gasoline vehicle. It is why tires in Tesla wear out fast. So, if you own Tesla, you need to change tires more frequently, increasing your ownership cost.

OTA update could bring new bugs:
Previously we said that the OTA update is an excellent feature because Tesla can introduce new features and improve the vehicle even after vehicle delivery. However, according to Tesla owners, sometimes the OTA update introduces new bugs, and Tesla takes a long time to fix these bugs. Moreover, it’s tough for owners to report these bugs.

Cold weather range degradation:
If you live in a colder climate, your Tesla will lose range in cold months.

Not suitable if you live in an apartment:
If you have a house, you can recharge your Tesla at your home. However, if you live in an apartment, it could be challenging for you to recharge your electric car if there is no supercharger or destination charger in your area. Mostly it is problematic for those who live downtown. Moreover, some Tesla owners said their HOA did not agree to put any charger in the community garage.

Battery degradation:
Tesla’s battery degrades over time. Tesla owners said that over a few years, Tesla’s lost almost 10% range. In a colder climate, this degradation could be worse.

Poor build quality:
Tesla is famous for its technology but not for its build quality. Panel gaps, rattles, and paint issues are a common problem. For example, a Tesla owner found a home depot-grade fake wood in their car. Here’s the article – https://www.thedrive.com/tech/36274/tes ... -fake-wood.

S


https://provscons.com/pros-and-cons-of-tesla/

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Re: Trinidad Blackout (16 Feb 2022)

Postby adnj » May 5th, 2022, 3:49 pm

zoom rader wrote:For those that want to buy a kart, think twice.

T
esla service center frustration:
Tesla does not allow its owners to repair or work on their vehicles. Except for adding washer fluid, you have to take your car into a Tesla Service center for all types of repair or maintenance. The problem arises here.

First, there is a limited number of Service Centers in each state.

Second, you have to make an appointment to fix your vehicle. Sometimes, these appointments could be after months.

Each quarter, Tesla is selling hundreds of thousands of vehicles. But the number of the service center is not increasing rapidly. Most of the owners told us that the quality of the Tesla service centers is deteriorating each day. They don’t respond to email and do not receive phone calls. Even if you make an appointment through the Tesla mobile app, your repair could take weeks. Moreover, if they don’t fix your car on time, there is no way to escalate the situation to higher management.

Frequently you will see on twitter that Tesla owners complaining to Elon Musk about their service experience.

While your Tesla is in the service center, Tesla may or may not give you a loaner vehicle depending on your location. So, at that time, you would be without any car.

Moreover, if you live in a country where there is no service center, what would happen? It’s complicated.

Phantom battery drain:
If you park your Tesla overnight, it will slowly discharge its battery. Tesla owners call it the Phantom battery drain. According to the Tesla owners manual, every Tesla battery discharges at a 1% rate per day. So, if you intend to park your vehicle at an airport, you need to keep this in mind. For example, if you leave your car for 2 months, the battery will discharge 60%.

If your battery discharges to 0%, it could damage onboard electronics. Moreover, the lithium-ion battery recharges the onboard 12V battery. If the 12V battery becomes dead, you won’t be able to unlock your Tesla. In that case, you have to tow your vehicle to the nearest electric charging station.

Less range on highway driving:
On a typical gasoline vehicle, highway driving has better mileage than city driving. For example, in a Toyota Camry, you can go up to 500 miles on the highway on a full tank. However, in the city, you can drive a maximum of 300 miles. On Tesla, the opposite is true. Tesla cars have better city mileage than on the highway. So, on a road trip, your Tesla would not go it’s rated range.

You can’t tow with a Tesla:
Theoretically, you can tow with your Tesla. However, Towing would decimate the range of your vehicle. According to owners — though it depends on how much you are pulling — towing could decrease your Tesla’s range up to 50%. So, a 400 miles Tesla would become 200 miles Tesla. It is frustrating. Because on a long road trip, it means you need to recharge your vehicle too often, increasing your travel time significantly.

Lackluster interior:
Tesla vehicles are expensive. But the interior is not luxurious similar to other cars such as BMW or Mercedes in the same price range. In short, the interior is plain and simple.

Tire wears out fast:
Tesla’s are heavy vehicles. It also has a very high torque compared to a gasoline vehicle. It is why tires in Tesla wear out fast. So, if you own Tesla, you need to change tires more frequently, increasing your ownership cost.

OTA update could bring new bugs:
Previously we said that the OTA update is an excellent feature because Tesla can introduce new features and improve the vehicle even after vehicle delivery. However, according to Tesla owners, sometimes the OTA update introduces new bugs, and Tesla takes a long time to fix these bugs. Moreover, it’s tough for owners to report these bugs.

Cold weather range degradation:
If you live in a colder climate, your Tesla will lose range in cold months.

Not suitable if you live in an apartment:
If you have a house, you can recharge your Tesla at your home. However, if you live in an apartment, it could be challenging for you to recharge your electric car if there is no supercharger or destination charger in your area. Mostly it is problematic for those who live downtown. Moreover, some Tesla owners said their HOA did not agree to put any charger in the community garage.

Battery degradation:
Tesla’s battery degrades over time. Tesla owners said that over a few years, Tesla’s lost almost 10% range. In a colder climate, this degradation could be worse.

Poor build quality:
Tesla is famous for its technology but not for its build quality. Panel gaps, rattles, and paint issues are a common problem. For example, a Tesla owner found a home depot-grade fake wood in their car. Here’s the article – https://www.thedrive.com/tech/36274/tes ... -fake-wood.

S


https://provscons.com/pros-and-cons-of-tesla/
Simple island folk that can't get shitt right will still need to use their Sunny or Tiida radiator to reheat leftover KFC, Roti and doubles while drinking rum at the side of the road. BEVs are not for them.

BEVs are for new car buyers - not free-thinkers.


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Re: Trinidad Blackout (16 Feb 2022)

Postby adnj » May 5th, 2022, 8:30 pm

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The Ministry of Energy and Energy Industries said its awaiting the finalisation of a policy for solar feed-in tariffs which will allow the Trinidad and Tobago Electricity Commission (T&TEC) to pay homeowners for the energy they produce.

Hannibal Anyika, Senior Sustainable Energy Development Analyst at the Energy Ministry’s Renewable Energy Division, said a revised policy document is due to be submitted to Cabinet by the end of this month.

Anyika was speaking on May 3 at a webinar hosted by the Office of Disaster Preparedness and Management on Disaster and Climate Change Risks in Trinidad and Tobago.

Anyika said the setting up of feed-in tariffs will make solar energy systems more affordable for homeowners as well as enable them to be paid for the energy they supply to the grid.

“A major policy we’re currently finalising is the feed-in tariff which would basically address bringing renewables for small and medium-scale installations.”

“At the utility scale, the law doesn’t define the source of energy, however at the small and medium scale T&TEC and the RIC doesn’t envision the homeowner feeding into the grid or selling power to T&TEC….the sale of power is basically controlled by a power purchase agreement.”

“In terms of dealing with this barrier for the homeowner or a business being able to produce renewable energy and sell to the grid…the homeowner will be able to produce this energy and feed onto the national grid and T&TEC will have to pay you.”

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https://tt.loopnews.com/content/expert- ... ers-energy

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Re: Trinidad Blackout (16 Feb 2022)

Postby RedVEVO » May 5th, 2022, 8:39 pm

Anybody have a copy of the "Black Out Report" ?

When taxpayers pay for these reports how come it is never distributed to the public ?

Did it really exist ?

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Re: Trinidad Blackout (16 Feb 2022)

Postby zoom rader » May 5th, 2022, 10:15 pm

adnj wrote:Image

The Ministry of Energy and Energy Industries said its awaiting the finalisation of a policy for solar feed-in tariffs which will allow the Trinidad and Tobago Electricity Commission (T&TEC) to pay homeowners for the energy they produce.

Hannibal Anyika, Senior Sustainable Energy Development Analyst at the Energy Ministry’s Renewable Energy Division, said a revised policy document is due to be submitted to Cabinet by the end of this month.

Anyika was speaking on May 3 at a webinar hosted by the Office of Disaster Preparedness and Management on Disaster and Climate Change Risks in Trinidad and Tobago.

Anyika said the setting up of feed-in tariffs will make solar energy systems more affordable for homeowners as well as enable them to be paid for the energy they supply to the grid.

“A major policy we’re currently finalising is the feed-in tariff which would basically address bringing renewables for small and medium-scale installations.”

“At the utility scale, the law doesn’t define the source of energy, however at the small and medium scale T&TEC and the RIC doesn’t envision the homeowner feeding into the grid or selling power to T&TEC….the sale of power is basically controlled by a power purchase agreement.”

“In terms of dealing with this barrier for the homeowner or a business being able to produce renewable energy and sell to the grid…the homeowner will be able to produce this energy and feed onto the national grid and T&TEC will have to pay you.”

Image

https://tt.loopnews.com/content/expert- ... ers-energy
Home solar is workable, but not for commercial use. It is not cost effective for production.

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Re: Trinidad Blackout (16 Feb 2022)

Postby zoom rader » May 5th, 2022, 10:16 pm

adnj wrote:
zoom rader wrote:For those that want to buy a kart, think twice.

T
esla service center frustration:
Tesla does not allow its owners to repair or work on their vehicles. Except for adding washer fluid, you have to take your car into a Tesla Service center for all types of repair or maintenance. The problem arises here.

First, there is a limited number of Service Centers in each state.

Second, you have to make an appointment to fix your vehicle. Sometimes, these appointments could be after months.

Each quarter, Tesla is selling hundreds of thousands of vehicles. But the number of the service center is not increasing rapidly. Most of the owners told us that the quality of the Tesla service centers is deteriorating each day. They don’t respond to email and do not receive phone calls. Even if you make an appointment through the Tesla mobile app, your repair could take weeks. Moreover, if they don’t fix your car on time, there is no way to escalate the situation to higher management.

Frequently you will see on twitter that Tesla owners complaining to Elon Musk about their service experience.

While your Tesla is in the service center, Tesla may or may not give you a loaner vehicle depending on your location. So, at that time, you would be without any car.

Moreover, if you live in a country where there is no service center, what would happen? It’s complicated.

Phantom battery drain:
If you park your Tesla overnight, it will slowly discharge its battery. Tesla owners call it the Phantom battery drain. According to the Tesla owners manual, every Tesla battery discharges at a 1% rate per day. So, if you intend to park your vehicle at an airport, you need to keep this in mind. For example, if you leave your car for 2 months, the battery will discharge 60%.

If your battery discharges to 0%, it could damage onboard electronics. Moreover, the lithium-ion battery recharges the onboard 12V battery. If the 12V battery becomes dead, you won’t be able to unlock your Tesla. In that case, you have to tow your vehicle to the nearest electric charging station.

Less range on highway driving:
On a typical gasoline vehicle, highway driving has better mileage than city driving. For example, in a Toyota Camry, you can go up to 500 miles on the highway on a full tank. However, in the city, you can drive a maximum of 300 miles. On Tesla, the opposite is true. Tesla cars have better city mileage than on the highway. So, on a road trip, your Tesla would not go it’s rated range.

You can’t tow with a Tesla:
Theoretically, you can tow with your Tesla. However, Towing would decimate the range of your vehicle. According to owners — though it depends on how much you are pulling — towing could decrease your Tesla’s range up to 50%. So, a 400 miles Tesla would become 200 miles Tesla. It is frustrating. Because on a long road trip, it means you need to recharge your vehicle too often, increasing your travel time significantly.

Lackluster interior:
Tesla vehicles are expensive. But the interior is not luxurious similar to other cars such as BMW or Mercedes in the same price range. In short, the interior is plain and simple.

Tire wears out fast:
Tesla’s are heavy vehicles. It also has a very high torque compared to a gasoline vehicle. It is why tires in Tesla wear out fast. So, if you own Tesla, you need to change tires more frequently, increasing your ownership cost.

OTA update could bring new bugs:
Previously we said that the OTA update is an excellent feature because Tesla can introduce new features and improve the vehicle even after vehicle delivery. However, according to Tesla owners, sometimes the OTA update introduces new bugs, and Tesla takes a long time to fix these bugs. Moreover, it’s tough for owners to report these bugs.

Cold weather range degradation:
If you live in a colder climate, your Tesla will lose range in cold months.

Not suitable if you live in an apartment:
If you have a house, you can recharge your Tesla at your home. However, if you live in an apartment, it could be challenging for you to recharge your electric car if there is no supercharger or destination charger in your area. Mostly it is problematic for those who live downtown. Moreover, some Tesla owners said their HOA did not agree to put any charger in the community garage.

Battery degradation:
Tesla’s battery degrades over time. Tesla owners said that over a few years, Tesla’s lost almost 10% range. In a colder climate, this degradation could be worse.

Poor build quality:
Tesla is famous for its technology but not for its build quality. Panel gaps, rattles, and paint issues are a common problem. For example, a Tesla owner found a home depot-grade fake wood in their car. Here’s the article – https://www.thedrive.com/tech/36274/tes ... -fake-wood.

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Simple island folk that can't get shitt right will still need to use their Sunny or Tiida radiator to reheat leftover KFC, Roti and doubles while drinking rum at the side of the road. BEVs are not for them.

BEVs are for new car buyers - not free-thinkers.


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Postby adnj » May 5th, 2022, 11:22 pm

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The Ministry of Energy and Energy Industries said its awaiting the finalisation of a policy for solar feed-in tariffs which will allow the Trinidad and Tobago Electricity Commission (T&TEC) to pay homeowners for the energy they produce.

Hannibal Anyika, Senior Sustainable Energy Development Analyst at the Energy Ministry’s Renewable Energy Division, said a revised policy document is due to be submitted to Cabinet by the end of this month.

Anyika was speaking on May 3 at a webinar hosted by the Office of Disaster Preparedness and Management on Disaster and Climate Change Risks in Trinidad and Tobago.

Anyika said the setting up of feed-in tariffs will make solar energy systems more affordable for homeowners as well as enable them to be paid for the energy they supply to the grid.

“A major policy we’re currently finalising is the feed-in tariff which would basically address bringing renewables for small and medium-scale installations.”

“At the utility scale, the law doesn’t define the source of energy, however at the small and medium scale T&TEC and the RIC doesn’t envision the homeowner feeding into the grid or selling power to T&TEC….the sale of power is basically controlled by a power purchase agreement.”

“In terms of dealing with this barrier for the homeowner or a business being able to produce renewable energy and sell to the grid…the homeowner will be able to produce this energy and feed onto the national grid and T&TEC will have to pay you.”

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Home solar is workable, but not for commercial use. It is not cost effective for production.


Simple island folk that can't get shitt right always reach the wrong fuckking conclusion because they only see shitt that isn't there.

The LCOE of utility scale solar is about one-fourth the LCOE of home generated solar power. Wind power's LCOE is typically cheaper still.
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Postby zoom rader » May 6th, 2022, 12:01 am

adnj wrote:
zoom rader wrote:
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The Ministry of Energy and Energy Industries said its awaiting the finalisation of a policy for solar feed-in tariffs which will allow the Trinidad and Tobago Electricity Commission (T&TEC) to pay homeowners for the energy they produce.

Hannibal Anyika, Senior Sustainable Energy Development Analyst at the Energy Ministry’s Renewable Energy Division, said a revised policy document is due to be submitted to Cabinet by the end of this month.

Anyika was speaking on May 3 at a webinar hosted by the Office of Disaster Preparedness and Management on Disaster and Climate Change Risks in Trinidad and Tobago.

Anyika said the setting up of feed-in tariffs will make solar energy systems more affordable for homeowners as well as enable them to be paid for the energy they supply to the grid.

“A major policy we’re currently finalising is the feed-in tariff which would basically address bringing renewables for small and medium-scale installations.”

“At the utility scale, the law doesn’t define the source of energy, however at the small and medium scale T&TEC and the RIC doesn’t envision the homeowner feeding into the grid or selling power to T&TEC….the sale of power is basically controlled by a power purchase agreement.”

“In terms of dealing with this barrier for the homeowner or a business being able to produce renewable energy and sell to the grid…the homeowner will be able to produce this energy and feed onto the national grid and T&TEC will have to pay you.”

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Home solar is workable, but not for commercial use. It is not cost effective for production.


Simple island folk that can't get shitt right always reach the wrong fuckking conclusion because they only see shitt that isn't there.

The LCOE of utility scale solar is about one-fourth the LCOE of home generated solar power. Wind power's LCOE is typically cheaper still.
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Large scale solar are proven failures

https://www.reviewjournal.com/opinion/e ... g-2091618/

https://newsessentials.wordpress.com/20 ... uarantees/

https://www.pv-magazine.com/2020/02/11/ ... th-africa/

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2016/03/sol ... led-study/

https://danthesolarman.com.au/5-reasons ... australia/

https://www.eco-business.com/opinion/au ... e-exposed/

https://www.pv-magazine-australia.com/2 ... c-failure/

These are just some failures there are tons more .

I can go on about the manufacturing and maintenance factors. I actually worked on the Cayman Islands 5Mw solar installation. They regretted getting conned

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Postby timelapse » May 6th, 2022, 6:59 am

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The Ministry of Energy and Energy Industries said its awaiting the finalisation of a policy for solar feed-in tariffs which will allow the Trinidad and Tobago Electricity Commission (T&TEC) to pay homeowners for the energy they produce.

Hannibal Anyika, Senior Sustainable Energy Development Analyst at the Energy Ministry’s Renewable Energy Division, said a revised policy document is due to be submitted to Cabinet by the end of this month.

Anyika was speaking on May 3 at a webinar hosted by the Office of Disaster Preparedness and Management on Disaster and Climate Change Risks in Trinidad and Tobago.

Anyika said the setting up of feed-in tariffs will make solar energy systems more affordable for homeowners as well as enable them to be paid for the energy they supply to the grid.

“A major policy we’re currently finalising is the feed-in tariff which would basically address bringing renewables for small and medium-scale installations.”

“At the utility scale, the law doesn’t define the source of energy, however at the small and medium scale T&TEC and the RIC doesn’t envision the homeowner feeding into the grid or selling power to T&TEC….the sale of power is basically controlled by a power purchase agreement.”

“In terms of dealing with this barrier for the homeowner or a business being able to produce renewable energy and sell to the grid…the homeowner will be able to produce this energy and feed onto the national grid and T&TEC will have to pay you.”

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Home solar is workable, but not for commercial use. It is not cost effective for production.
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Re: Trinidad Blackout (16 Feb 2022)

Postby adnj » May 6th, 2022, 7:17 am

zoom rader wrote:Large scale solar are proven failures

https://www.reviewjournal.com/opinion/e ... g-2091618/

https://newsessentials.wordpress.com/20 ... uarantees/

https://www.pv-magazine.com/2020/02/11/ ... th-africa/

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2016/03/sol ... led-study/

https://danthesolarman.com.au/5-reasons ... australia/

https://www.eco-business.com/opinion/au ... e-exposed/

https://www.pv-magazine-australia.com/2 ... c-failure/

These are just some failures there are tons more .

I can go on about the manufacturing and maintenance factors. I actually worked on the Cayman Islands 5Mw solar installation. They regretted getting conned


Simple island folk that can't get shitt right just post a bunch of old shitt trying to seem informed. Some stupid nikkas seem to think that corrective and preventative maintenance is not part of daily activity at every fuckking production facility in the world. Shooting screws at a solar plant doesn't make you director of operations.

Failures due to improved technology, shifting government policies, poor project planning, and inferior component selection are not proof of impracticability. All the while, newer, larger renewable energy projects are coming on line.

You should read the oldass shitt that you post, concentrate hard, and try to make sense out of it.

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Postby zoom rader » May 6th, 2022, 10:37 am

^^^ Thats only one plant while others around the world plants have failed due to maintenance and not being cost effective.

Just remember Solar only works in day unless there is massive battery bank.

Solar is failure unless for home use.

Nice try lil boy

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Re: Trinidad Blackout (16 Feb 2022)

Postby adnj » May 6th, 2022, 12:34 pm

zoom rader wrote:^^^ Thats only one plant while others around the world plants have failed due to maintenance and not being cost effective.

Just remember Solar only works in day unless there is massive battery bank.

Solar is failure unless for home use.

Nice try lil boy


Simple island folk that can't get shitt right just post a reply that contradicts they're own stupid drunk shitt. Some stupid nikkas seem to think that makes them look smart. You see, the plant that you posted about earlier (Crescent Dunes) had improperly built a leading-edge energy storage facility that caused much of it's financial woes. Similar power generation methods are being used by a pilot project funded by Bill Gates' Foundation. You wouldn't know anything about that though.

You don't seem to know how solar energy storage works, what the efficiencies are, or the scope of the utility-scale projects that already exist. Billions of dollars being invested in what the smartest small island free-thinking folk on the forum swears doesn't work.

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Re: Trinidad Blackout (16 Feb 2022)

Postby sMASH » May 7th, 2022, 5:37 pm

them reflective plants failed. just not cost effective for the power output.
i was right about those, didint see how heating a drum 500ft inthe air to 500deg c would be cost effective.


home solar set ups, dumping on the grid is the way to go for us dumb island folks. cause industrial and comercial places simply dont have the surface area to do it. they would need large solar and wind farms to do that, and thats just not wise on a small dumb island.

the batteries is a problem. the biggest problem. by the time it finish work back the carbon deficit to manufacture, it done gone down in life span.

windmills, our winds too variable, them ting will wring out and mash up before it make back the money
[whine] the windmill designed to be variable and it does withstand high winds inthe nordic countries[/whine]
we will not buy those , we will buy some crap like the wgtl plant that will mash up.


do the solar home systems, and we will jess burn natural gas from 4pm to 8 am,,, save 8hrs of natural gas.

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Re: Trinidad Blackout (16 Feb 2022)

Postby adnj » May 7th, 2022, 7:42 pm

sMASH wrote:them reflective plants failed. just not cost effective for the power output.
i was right about those, didint see how heating a drum 500ft inthe air to 500deg c would be cost effective.



home solar set ups, dumping on the grid is the way to go for us dumb island folks. cause industrial and comercial places simply dont have the surface area to do it. they would need large solar and wind farms to do that, and thats just not wise on a small dumb island.

the batteries is a problem. the biggest problem. by the time it finish work back the carbon deficit to manufacture, it done gone down in life span.

windmills, our winds too variable, them ting will wring out and mash up before it make back the money
[whine] the windmill designed to be variable and it does withstand high winds inthe nordic countries[/whine]
we will not buy those , we will buy some crap like the wgtl plant that will mash up.


do the solar home systems, and we will jess burn natural gas from 4pm to 8 am,,, save 8hrs of natural gas.


You got that all the way fukked-up backward.

Simple island folk that can't get shitt right need to crawl back into their fukking holes. Some nikkas believe that more rum makes them sound smarter. Just posting some shitt that you thought that you saw on Facebook is not going to work.

The largest concentrated solar power plants are working as intended, are set to be retrofit for further performance gains, and are proving to drive market growth. The CSPPs are actually performing just as planned.



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Re: Trinidad Blackout (16 Feb 2022)

Postby sMASH » May 7th, 2022, 8:22 pm

do a lil better research, dem ting not as effective as presumed. they not making the kinda output, for the comparable investment cost as pv cells. and the day to day viability of all those mirrors adjusting is leading to too much failures and associated replacement costs.

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Re: Trinidad Blackout (16 Feb 2022)

Postby adnj » May 7th, 2022, 10:04 pm

sMASH wrote:do a lil better research, dem ting not as effective as presumed. they not making the kinda output, for the comparable investment cost as pv cells. and the day to day viability of all those mirrors adjusting is leading to too much failures and associated replacement costs.


I have concluded that you, unfortunately, believe the vast majority of what you post. You should not. Much of it is just some stupid shitt that you heard at the hardware store.

Both PV and CSP have comparable pricing. In fact, many CSP plants are being augmented with PV panels.

CSP works. PV works. They are not interchangeable systems. They are complimentary systems with different use cases. PV requires additional storage technology, CSP does not. PV is modular, CSP is not. CSP generates high heat and steam for industrial applications, PV does not. PV is highly scalable, CSP is not. CSP is augmented with natural gas, PV is not.

Don't let your need to appear to be smart on the forum to stand in the way of actually learning a thing.

In new studies led by researchers from the National Renewable Energy Laboratory, the US Department of Energy pursues an energy cost goal of $0.05 per kilowatt-hour.

The Gen3 CSP program targets an energy cost of $0.05/kWh. The DoE has identified opportunities in three material pathways: storing heat in sand-like particles, in liquids like molten salt, and in gases, such as the technology developed by Brayton Energy. The DoE selected particle-based storage as the main method for its funding, but also opened the door for NREL to run a two-year liquid molten salt research program.

https://www.pv-magazine.com/2022/02/11/ ... velopment/


New Solar Opportunities for a New Decade

Since the Solar Energy Technologies Office (SETO) launched the SunShot Initiative in 2011, solar has made great strides in the United States. In early 2011, solar power comprised less than 0.1% of the U.S. electricity supply with an installed capacity of just 3 gigawatts. As of 2017, solar now supplies more than 1% of U.S. electricity demand with an installed capacity of more than 47 gigawatts.

The solar office has continuously worked toward its goal of enabling solar electricity costs to be competitive with conventionally generated electricity by 2020, without subsidies. During this time, the solar industry has seen tremendous progress in cost reduction. In 2017, the solar industry achieved SunShot’s original 2020 cost target of $0.06 per kilowatt-hour for utility-scale photovoltaic (PV) solar power three years ahead of schedule, dropping from about $0.28 to $0.06 per kilowatt-hour (kWh). Cost targets for residential- and commercial-scale solar have dropped from $0.52 to $0.16 and from $0.40 to $0.11 per kWh respectively.

https://www.energy.gov/eere/solar/sunshot-2030

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Re: Trinidad Blackout (16 Feb 2022)

Postby sMASH » May 7th, 2022, 11:36 pm

https://jpt.spe.org/becoming-obsolete-h ... bankruptcy
one of many articles wrote: On Becoming Obsolete: How a High-Tech Solar Plant Found Its Way to Bankruptcy
The 10,000 mirrors arrayed around the Crescent Dunes Solar Energy plant are striking and seem to suggest the concept is on a path to efficient and reliable renewable energy. But, recently, the plant’s operator threw in the towel and filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection. So, what went wrong?
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The Crescent Dunes Solar Energy plant.

The photos of the 10,000 mirrors arrayed around the Crescent Dunes Solar Energy plant are striking and seem to suggest the futuristic concept is on a path to efficient, reliable, and cost-effective renewables.

But, after years of accusations of mismanagement and unreliability in providing power, the plant’s operator, Tonopah Solar Energy, threw in the towel on 30 July and filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection, recording about $430 million in secured debt owed to the US Department of Energy (DOE). It is seeking a settlement under which DOE will recover less than half of the original loan, around $200 million, according to documents filed in US Bankruptcy Court District of Delaware.

Signs of trouble became evident last October when the developer of the project, SolarReserve, filed a lawsuit against the DOE and Tonopah Solar Energy, alleging the DOE interfered with its “right to participate in the management” of Tonopah Solar Energy. Just 2 days later, Nevada Energy, the largest electric utility in the state, provided a notice of termination on its 25-year renewable power-purchase agreement (PPA) with Tonopah, which was originally set to end on 31 December 2040, because of “frequent and prolonged outages.”
What Went Wrong?

In 2008, an affiliate of SolarReserve formed Tonopah Solar Energy LLC to develop, own, and operate the plant. In 2011, the DOE issued a $737-million loan guarantee to help finance the $1-billion 110-MW concentrating solar power plant near Tonopah, Nevada. It was described as the first deployment of solar power tower technology in the US to use molten salt as a primary heat-transfer fluid.
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How a Concentrating Solar
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CSP technology uses heliostat mirrors that reflect solar radiation to heat molten salts passing through a series of tubes installed on a central receiver tower. The molten salt is then transferred to a large insulated tank for storage.
The hot molten salt from the insulated tank is passed through a series of heat exchangers to produce highly pressurized superheated steam. The steam is used to run a conventional turbine to generate electricity.
Surplus thermal energy is stored in the molten salt and can be used to produce additional power for up to 10 hours.

More than 10,000 mirrored heliostats concentrate sunlight on a 640-ft-tall central tower and heat the molten salt inside to more than 1,000°F. The superheated mixture is then used to boil water to generate steam and drive steam generators to produce power. The molten salt storage was touted as allowing the project to generate power at full load on call for up to 10 hours without any sunlight.

SolarReserve said the patented storage system can deliver electricity on demand like a traditional coal or natural-gas power plant but with zero emissions, little water use, and no hazardous waste.

The plant was approved by the Nevada’s Public Utilities Commission in 2010 but did not begin commercial operations until 2015.

Less than a year later, in October 2016, repairs to fix a leak in a molten-salt tank took the plant offline for 8 months. NV Energy, the plant’s only customer, said in a June 2019 report that the frequent, prolonged outages at the plant reduced the expected amount of energy and credits by 50% in 2019 and 25% in 2020 and beyond.

NV Energy said, “Given the size of the project, Nevada Power simply does not have enough credit reserves nor sufficient new renewable capacity in the pipeline to overcome lasting, multiyear credit shortfalls.”

Custom parts and dozens of staff were required for daily operations and to conduct maintenance regularly on the steam generators and heat exchangers. When the plant finally opened in 2015, solar panels had left the CSP technology in the dust in terms of efficiency and cost.

The high tech was obsolete before it was up and running.

Crescent Dunes was selling its power at about $135/MWh, while Techren Solar II in Nevada’s Eldorado Valley priced its power at approximately $30/MWh.

The death knell sounded last summer with a catastrophic failure of the molten-salt storage tanks that caused ground contamination and required the removal of the solar tower. The DOE sent a formal default notice in September, followed by NV Energy’s termination of its PPA.

SolarReserve contended in its lawsuit that the LLC agreement gave it the right to appoint one of the managers of Tonopah. But, according to the lawsuit, the DOE sent a “notice of default” letter only days after SolarReserve had appointed a new manager. The lawsuit said the DOE wanted to appoint two new members to Tonopah’s board of managers, “which gives the appearance of the (Energy Department) in complete control of Tonopah through its handpicked ‘independent’ directors which comprise the entirety of the Tonopah Board of Managers.”

This precluded any representation of SolarReserve on the board, which meant major decisions requiring a unanimous vote such as bankruptcy proceedings stifled input from the developer, the lawsuit alleged.

The blame game has been in full swing with finger-pointing to and from the developer, SolarReserve, general contractor Spanish company ACS Cobra, and owner Tonopah Solar. Cobra is being blamed for the delay in completing the construction of the plant and the allegedly faulty design of the molten-salt tank.

According to the bankruptcy filings, Tonopah is owned by SolarReserve, the startup that developed the plant; Cobra Energy Investments LLC, a division of Spanish infrastructure company ACS; and Banco Santander SA.
Moving to Higher Tech

NV Energy moved on and signed a 22-year PPA with EDF Renewables North America on 29 July. The power will be generated by the 200-MW Chuckwalla Solar+Storage project to be built by EDF. Located on the Moapa Band of Paiute Indians Reservation, 35 miles northeast of Las Vegas, Nevada, the project will include batteries that can store 180 MW of power for 4 hours. The Chuckwalla Solar+Storage project is expected to come on line in late 2023.

“EDF Renewables is pleased to strengthen our relationship with NV Energy, building on our 2019 agreement to develop and build the Arrow Canyon Solar+Storage project,” said Ian Black, vice president of west region development at EDF Renewables North America.

Arrow Canyon is also being built on the reservation. It will be a 200-MW solar project that includes a 75-MW/5-hour battery storage project and is expected to be up and running in December 2022.

“The battery and solar system work together to provide more energy during the summer evening peak hours, when system needs are the greatest,” Ian Black, a vice president at EDF Renewables North America, said in a statement. “NV Energy can utilize the battery at their discretion in all months of the year, allowing mitigation of demand spikes.”


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crescent_ ... gy_Project

https://techstartups.com/2021/05/04/1-b ... oggle-pro/


general industry stuff, and competeing with the market.

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Postby kamakazi » May 8th, 2022, 12:37 am

adnj wrote:
sMASH wrote:dont get me wrong, we ARE going e... its just that there is push for it, its not based in the economics. the extraction for the chemicals to make the batteries alone is quite problematic, environmentally wise. the power for the grid will require increasing, but the most fault tolerant and flexible source is with fossil. the recylcing of the ded batteries is also problematic.
ur saving the skies, but poisoning the land. and until u get more wind and solar, its just shifting the combustion from the individual to the corporation.
ICE technology is a mature platform and has little room for improvement in cost or efficiency.

A coal-fired power plant is between 35% and 42% efficient.
A natural gas power plant is 60% efficient.
The best ICE efficiency is 25%.

Batteries are already being manufactured that improve cost, performance and environmental impact.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/enriquedan ... 0c53bd7f26



I'll keep this short as my first response didn't post

Natural gas power plant at 60%
Transmission Losses 20%
Charging your EV Losses 20%
Losses in Converting battery power to Motive Force 20%
So your EV is about 31% efficient (i am open to correction as my research might be a bit dated)


Best ICE efficiency is ~50 (F1 engines claim 52% but they don't use those daily on the streets/Diesel boat engines might get up to 60%)
In a road going vehicle the claim is up to ~ 40% (claimed by toyota and mazda) for the engine
on road Diesel ICE is up to ~45%
Transmission(Auto, CVT, Manual) losses range from ~12-30%
So some ICE vehicles are less efficient while others are more efficient than EVs

Money and Control
Tesla charges the owner for the software to operate features that are already on the car; heated seats were installed on every model up to a point in time. You can't use it even though it is equipped

Zero electric bikes does the same; the extended range feature does nothing but allow you to use more power from the same battery that is already installed on the bike with the same motor and same controller

Mercedes EQS charges a subscription fee to get an over the air update to use the full 10 degrees of rear steering. Without the sub the software limits you to 4 degrees.

Manufacturers want to control every aspect of how you use and service their cars cause they can make more money from you.
If i tell you you can only use these parts, and it can only be serviced at this dealership.
If you wake up one morning and instantly after an update your battery that used to have a range of 300kms now has a range of 30kms or limits your speed to 50kph cause the software says so. Or the software says to get your battery replaced even though it worked perfectly up to the point where you first got the message.

Could disable your airbags/abs/power steering/regen braking...etc...etc
Do you own that car or did you borrow it.

I'll keep my ICE with my simple electronics until they stop pulling this BS
I'll adjust my right foot to emit less CO2

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Re: Trinidad Blackout (16 Feb 2022)

Postby redmanjp » May 8th, 2022, 2:00 am

EVs still better in slow moving & standstill traffic. no wastage of energy there. whereas your ICE still burning gas.

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Re: Trinidad Blackout (16 Feb 2022)

Postby death365 » May 8th, 2022, 6:16 am

Where are my flying cars ... I was promised since 2000s that they would be here, also over night / day trips to the moon.

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Postby sMASH » May 8th, 2022, 6:55 am

u can just shut down car parts, JESS LIKE DAT.




it is possible to shut down features on vehicles. it has been done already.

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Re: Trinidad Blackout (16 Feb 2022)

Postby agent007 » May 8th, 2022, 7:57 am

Les Bain wrote:
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redmanjp wrote:if the battery in a hybrid stop working u could still drive with the ICE alone?
In some Hybrids, this is not possible. I do not want to make a blanket statement on the above but consider something:

As in the case with a large chunk of Hybrids on our roads, this group I'm referring to is the (Prius C, Aqua, Axio Hybrid, Fielder Hybrid, Sienta Hybrid) - that's a couple thousand there already

Those Hybrids have a slightly different version of the popular ottocycle 1NZ-FE found in a bunch of Toyotas, mainly the E12x and E14x Corollas.

The engine code in the Hybrids would be 1NZ-FXE which means it operates under the Atkinson combustion cycle for better fuel efficiency but with lowered output.

If the Hybrid Synergy Drive (HSD) system fails with electric motor or the P510 (eCVT) transmission or the battery pack itself, the ICE alone will not be able to propel the car forward safely and properly as the engine was designed to work in conjunction with the electric motor.

This would be similar to the Prius and Prius Alpha that has an HSD system paired with the 2ZR-FXE which is the Atkinson derivative of the regular 2ZR-FE.

For the Xtrail Hybrid, if the Hybrid system fails, the ICE may not be affected however the vehicle won't go anywhere as was reported in several instances.

It appears when the Hybrid System error comes up, it can shut the vehicle down into a safe mode or simply won't allow you to move the vehicle unless it's towed and code cleared, as in problem fixed.

Open to correction. But as I mentioned, even if the Aqua does start and limps forward, that's exactly what will happen...limp is the word.

The Xtrail on the otherhand does not use an Atkinson cycle engine as Toyota did with theirs. The MR20DD is basically the same unit found in regular Xtrail T32's and the Qashqai J11's with the exception of the electric AC compressor etc.


You sound knowledgeable so you may be able to answer.
Despite being hybrid are any of these systems you mentioned able to go a limited distance on electric power alone, like the McLaren P1? Like say you have to go to the neighborhood parlour and don't want to walk or burn gas?
The Aqua has an "EV" button. When conditions are right (battery charge and throttle position), it is possible to drive your car in electric vehicle hence "EV" mode for very short distances. At any moments notice, the ICE kicks in to propel the car forward and to recharge the battery.

If some are thinking that EV mode can take you past Chaguanas traffic by Bhagwansingh on a weekday afternoon until you pass Brentwood going south bound then you would be disappointed.

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Re: Trinidad Blackout (16 Feb 2022)

Postby agent007 » May 8th, 2022, 8:23 am

Musical Doc wrote:
agent007 wrote:
redmanjp wrote:if the battery in a hybrid stop working u could still drive with the ICE alone?
In some Hybrids, this is not possible. I do not want to make a blanket statement on the above but consider something:

As in the case with a large chunk of Hybrids on our roads, this group I'm referring to is the (Prius C, Aqua, Axio Hybrid, Fielder Hybrid, Sienta Hybrid) - that's a couple thousand there already

Those Hybrids have a slightly different version of the popular ottocycle 1NZ-FE found in a bunch of Toyotas, mainly the E12x and E14x Corollas.

The engine code in the Hybrids would be 1NZ-FXE which means it operates under the Atkinson combustion cycle for better fuel efficiency but with lowered output.

If the Hybrid Synergy Drive (HSD) system fails with electric motor or the P510 (eCVT) transmission or the battery pack itself, the ICE alone will not be able to propel the car forward safely and properly as the engine was designed to work in conjunction with the electric motor.

This would be similar to the Prius and Prius Alpha that has an HSD system paired with the 2ZR-FXE which is the Atkinson derivative of the regular 2ZR-FE.

For the Xtrail Hybrid, if the Hybrid system fails, the ICE may not be affected however the vehicle won't go anywhere as was reported in several instances.

It appears when the Hybrid System error comes up, it can shut the vehicle down into a safe mode or simply won't allow you to move the vehicle unless it's towed and code cleared, as in problem fixed.

Open to correction. But as I mentioned, even if the Aqua does start and limps forward, that's exactly what will happen...limp is the word.

The Xtrail on the otherhand does not use an Atkinson cycle engine as Toyota did with theirs. The MR20DD is basically the same unit found in regular Xtrail T32's and the Qashqai J11's with the exception of the electric AC compressor etc.


I can't personally dispute your statement on the HSD since it hasn't happened to me as yet, but I'm on the fb Aqua group and there are people on the group whose hybrid battery has failed and they still able to use their car. The only difference is that the gas consumption will be higher since the engine will be running constantly, which kinda defeats the purpose of a hybrid. Also, I've read that there is a way to but your aqua in a "gas only" mode where the EV doesn't kick in. This was something I read on the fb group again
Absolutely correct bro. The gas consumption will be higher if those owners are running their vehicles without the HSD system. You see, they are pushing an engine that runs on the Atkinson combustion cycle without the help of the electric motor to propel the vehicle. That engine would be straining and that eCVT can be destroyed because it would be running on a higher rev and those eCVTs cannot take heat. It would significantly defeat the core purpose of acquiring an Aqua in the first place.

As I mentioned several times before, using the Aqua as an example, as those cars age and depreciate, it would make less economical sense to inject 16k and more on a battery pack. What if the P510 and HSD like the inverter etc requires work or replacement too? What would be the cumulative cost to repair and get the vehicle back on the road?

If you want a genuine factory refurbished battery pack for an Aqua, I can get one in 1 month for $25k TTD. Who in their right mind gonna pump that kind of money into an aging and depreciating car?

Soon those cars would be a bunch of scrap iron unless someone completely guts the entire car and simply swap in a 1NZ-FE or 2NZ-FE and you move on from there. Then you would have another issue with the instrument cluster and some functionality will not work again. Lol that is headache and I would be careful about the info received in some of those owners clubs/groups.

It have some Aqua/Fielder/Vezel owners out there who are highly misinformed and some parted ways with their cars long time. Any form of electrification is the future. Whether we agree on this or not, the world agenda is promoting it, so we have no choice.

Don't expect to see the culture of keeping your grand fathers inline 6 rwd powered car for generations that can still run mind you with some modern hybrid. Our children won't be keeping our "beloved" Vezel like we keep Royal Saloons in the family. It's like asking us to collect and reminisce on used Lasko fans, unless someone has a fetish for fans or some kind of mental disability, that ain't gonna happen. Car culture will change for sure.

As we get older, our priorities change into family and property. As an aficionado of the ICE, all I can say is, in time it will be a matter of picking an affordable disposable EV to take the family safely from point a to b and back. I suspect this would be the case for many of us here.

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