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Re: Trinidad Blackout (16 Feb 2022)

Postby timelapse » May 10th, 2022, 8:54 am

I would sell petrochemicals...

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Re: Trinidad Blackout (16 Feb 2022)

Postby Ripe Chenette » May 10th, 2022, 11:16 am

I go sell the pitch lake

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Re: Trinidad Blackout (16 Feb 2022)

Postby zoom rader » May 10th, 2022, 11:31 am

Ripe Chenette wrote:I go sell the pitch lake
Red government already sold it to the Chinese

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Re: Trinidad Blackout (16 Feb 2022)

Postby adnj » May 12th, 2022, 11:54 am

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Electric vehicle owners have more choices of energy sources to charge their vehicles than just gasoline to operate their vehicles. They can charge their vehicles using renewable energy, which will greatly reduce emissions generated by the use of their vehicles.

On the manufacturing front, EV detractors often claim that the energy and resources that it takes to build batteries counterbalance all the tailpipe advantages. However, those detractors often leave out battery recycling, which makes all the difference for the full-emission cycles for electric vehicles since you can recover most of the materials in a battery pack.

Last year, Tesla reported that it achieved 92% battery cell material recovery in its new recycling process, and it recycled 1,300 tons of nickel, 400 tons of copper, and 80 tons of cobalt in 2020.

In Tesla’s 2021 Impact Report, it has released an update on its battery recycling effort. In 2021, Tesla increased its battery material recycling to 1,500 tons of nickel, 300 tons of copper, and 200 tons of cobalt.

Interestingly, copper recovery went down, but cobalt recovery went up significantly. At the current price of $80,000 per ton for cobalt, Tesla has recovered the equivalent of $16 million worth of cobalt last year.

With the recent surge in nickel prices, the nickel recovered by Tesla last year is worth more than $45 million now.

https://electrek.co/2022/05/09/tesla-in ... ery-packs/

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Re: Trinidad Blackout (16 Feb 2022)

Postby zoom rader » May 12th, 2022, 1:41 pm

Lovey Tesla kart prices

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Re: Trinidad Blackout (16 Feb 2022)

Postby adnj » May 12th, 2022, 6:46 pm

Mapped: Solar and Wind Power by Country

Wind and solar generate over a tenth of the world’s electricity. Taken together, they are the fourth-largest source of electricity, behind coal, gas, and hydro.

This infographic based on data from Ember shows the rise of electricity from these two clean sources over the last decade.

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Europe Leads in Wind and Solar

Wind and solar generated 10.3% of global electricity for the first time in 2021, rising from 9.3% in 2020, and doubling their share compared to 2015 when the Paris Climate Agreement was signed.

In fact, 50 countries (26%) generated over a tenth of their electricity from wind and solar in 2021, with seven countries hitting this landmark for the first time: China, Japan, Mongolia, Vietnam, Argentina, Hungary, and El Salvador.

Denmark and Uruguay achieved 52% and 47% respectively, leading the way in technology for high renewable grid integration.

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/mapped ... y-country/

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Re: Trinidad Blackout (16 Feb 2022)

Postby cornfused » May 12th, 2022, 7:17 pm

The Reason put forward of a tree falling on a transmission line and the failure of 3 of the other power plants is plausible but...

No where in Trinidad is there more wind than the East Coast from Manzan southward down the coast has almost perpetual wind. A few discrete wind towers would provide energy to most to that area.

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Re: Trinidad Blackout (16 Feb 2022)

Postby sMASH » May 12th, 2022, 7:21 pm

Ultimate green vehicle: bull cart.

When yuh realize u can't buy back replacement battery packs.
Remember, is tiiida and axio people does afford.

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Re: Trinidad Blackout (16 Feb 2022)

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Re: Trinidad Blackout (16 Feb 2022)

Postby zoom rader » May 12th, 2022, 8:29 pm

cornfused wrote:The Reason put forward of a tree falling on a transmission line and the failure of 3 of the other power plants is plausible but...

No where in Trinidad is there more wind than the East Coast from Manzan southward down the coast has almost perpetual wind. A few discrete wind towers would provide energy to most to that area.
You do know that you that turbines have to operate at a range of wind speed. Meaning you can't have too strong of a wind and too little of wind speeds. Half of the time they are turned off cause its not cost effective

Winds farms like solar work have an operational window for it to work. When it's out of the window, then it's back to fossil.

In solar if the sun is too hot the efficiency drops and the cells can get damaged.

Wind farms are noisy, and it disturbs the wildlife, they are not eco-friendly as it annoys birds. It is very unattractive for the environment.

Just like solar, it's constant repairs and replacement, then it becomes a waste issue.

These are some of the things that they don't tell you .

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Re: Trinidad Blackout (16 Feb 2022)

Postby pugboy » May 12th, 2022, 8:50 pm

wind so far ain’t no panacea
seems like 10-15% of need is what the big countries have been able to generate with wind for one reason or another and we don’t know if their current charges to consumers directly cover the costs of the turbines and upgrades

here it will be a huge shock for consumers to pay unsubsidized rates which include infrastructure payback unless govt forking out that money
which will mean more debt

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Re: Trinidad Blackout (16 Feb 2022)

Postby sMASH » May 12th, 2022, 8:55 pm

Loan them $40bn to sell them e bikes.
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Re: Trinidad Blackout (16 Feb 2022)

Postby nervewrecker » May 12th, 2022, 9:45 pm

adnj wrote:Image

Electric vehicle owners have more choices of energy sources to charge their vehicles than just gasoline to operate their vehicles. They can charge their vehicles using renewable energy, which will greatly reduce emissions generated by the use of their vehicles.

On the manufacturing front, EV detractors often claim that the energy and resources that it takes to build batteries counterbalance all the tailpipe advantages. However, those detractors often leave out battery recycling, which makes all the difference for the full-emission cycles for electric vehicles since you can recover most of the materials in a battery pack.

Last year, Tesla reported that it achieved 92% battery cell material recovery in its new recycling process, and it recycled 1,300 tons of nickel, 400 tons of copper, and 80 tons of cobalt in 2020.

In Tesla’s 2021 Impact Report, it has released an update on its battery recycling effort. In 2021, Tesla increased its battery material recycling to 1,500 tons of nickel, 300 tons of copper, and 200 tons of cobalt.

Interestingly, copper recovery went down, but cobalt recovery went up significantly. At the current price of $80,000 per ton for cobalt, Tesla has recovered the equivalent of $16 million worth of cobalt last year.

With the recent surge in nickel prices, the nickel recovered by Tesla last year is worth more than $45 million now.

https://electrek.co/2022/05/09/tesla-in ... ery-packs/


biggest questions right now is if tesla batteries will remain in use.

Skeleton technologies look promising with high power density graphene cells and and we on the advent of nuclear diamond cells that utilize nuclear waste that have no viable disposal avenues beside burying.

Toyota has also announced its new solid state battery which they will incorporate into hybrids as trails before presenting in full electric.

EFOY has managed to incorporate DMFC (direct methanol fuel cell) technology of some sort into its electric generators and DMFC cells in hybrid vehicles are possible alternatives to ICE. PROMAN is into alternative energy research and is a huge methanol producer so maybe we can see more options in the near future. PROMAN's methanol production also captures carbon from the atmosphere as opposed to fossil fuel that brings up carbon from underground that introduces it to surface concentrations via combustion.

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Re: Trinidad Blackout (16 Feb 2022)

Postby zoom rader » May 12th, 2022, 11:04 pm

nervewrecker wrote:
adnj wrote:Image

Electric vehicle owners have more choices of energy sources to charge their vehicles than just gasoline to operate their vehicles. They can charge their vehicles using renewable energy, which will greatly reduce emissions generated by the use of their vehicles.

On the manufacturing front, EV detractors often claim that the energy and resources that it takes to build batteries counterbalance all the tailpipe advantages. However, those detractors often leave out battery recycling, which makes all the difference for the full-emission cycles for electric vehicles since you can recover most of the materials in a battery pack.

Last year, Tesla reported that it achieved 92% battery cell material recovery in its new recycling process, and it recycled 1,300 tons of nickel, 400 tons of copper, and 80 tons of cobalt in 2020.

In Tesla’s 2021 Impact Report, it has released an update on its battery recycling effort. In 2021, Tesla increased its battery material recycling to 1,500 tons of nickel, 300 tons of copper, and 200 tons of cobalt.

Interestingly, copper recovery went down, but cobalt recovery went up significantly. At the current price of $80,000 per ton for cobalt, Tesla has recovered the equivalent of $16 million worth of cobalt last year.

With the recent surge in nickel prices, the nickel recovered by Tesla last year is worth more than $45 million now.

https://electrek.co/2022/05/09/tesla-in ... ery-packs/


biggest questions right now is if tesla batteries will remain in use.

Skeleton technologies look promising with high power density graphene cells and and we on the advent of nuclear diamond cells that utilize nuclear waste that have no viable disposal avenues beside burying.

Toyota has also announced its new solid state battery which they will incorporate into hybrids as trails before presenting in full electric.

EFOY has managed to incorporate DMFC (direct methanol fuel cell) technology of some sort into its electric generators and DMFC cells in hybrid vehicles are possible alternatives to ICE. PROMAN is into alternative energy research and is a huge methanol producer so maybe we can see more options in the near future. PROMAN's methanol production also captures carbon from the atmosphere as opposed to fossil fuel that brings up carbon from underground that introduces it to surface concentrations via combustion.
Solid State batteries are a better option.

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Re: Trinidad Blackout (16 Feb 2022)

Postby adnj » May 13th, 2022, 7:54 am

nervewrecker wrote:
biggest questions right now is if tesla batteries will remain in use.

Skeleton technologies look promising with high power density graphene cells and and we on the advent of nuclear diamond cells that utilize nuclear waste that have no viable disposal avenues beside burying.

Toyota has also announced its new solid state battery which they will incorporate into hybrids as trails before presenting in full electric.

EFOY has managed to incorporate DMFC (direct methanol fuel cell) technology of some sort into its electric generators and DMFC cells in hybrid vehicles are possible alternatives to ICE. PROMAN is into alternative energy research and is a huge methanol producer so maybe we can see more options in the near future. PROMAN's methanol production also captures carbon from the atmosphere as opposed to fossil fuel that brings up carbon from underground that introduces it to surface concentrations via combustion.


ICE is not expected to disappear but will very likely continue to lose worldwide market share over the next 30 years based on circumstance.

Tesla doesn't develop their own batteries. Panasonic is the battery developer and is one of the world's largest li-ion battery manufacturer. Panasonic is beginning to manufacture an updated battery that will soon become the Tesla standard. New manufacting methods and chemistries are pushing the performance envelope, also.

Packaging, materials and methods are being updated but the importance of recycling simoly offers the potential of cost reductions and raw material availability.

Manufacturing retooling for major battery chane takes about two years. Packaging, power management and charging can be updated in the same. Recycling methods are easily updated also.


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Re: Trinidad Blackout (16 Feb 2022)

Postby adnj » May 14th, 2022, 8:06 am

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Long-duration energy storage and the flow battery advantage
Li-ion batteries are long-lasting when used in small devices, but large-scale Li-ion installations, such as those capable of powering the grid or other large energy users, typically only provide power for a few hours. That is sufficient in some cases, but there are many more instances in which energy storage technologies capable of delivering power for 10 hours or more could provide utilities and large-scale energy users with needed flexibility and control over their power supply. In addition, these long-duration technologies can serve as emergency back-up over extended periods and accelerate the adoption of wind and solar resources, reducing or eliminating the need to construct new fossil power plants.

Flow batteries are a type of long-duration technology that has begun to challenge Li-ion in the energy storage space. As the name suggests, flow batteries leverage the ability of fluids (electrolytes) to store electricity when they flow through the system in one direction and release it again when they flow in the reverse direction.

One leading appeal of the technology is its simplicity. The bulk of a flow battery system consists of tanks which can be scaled up or down according to needed duration. In addition, the electrolytes used in typical flow batteries are non-flammable and non-toxic, making the battery systems safe and environmentally benign. Unlike Li-ion technology, flow batteries can also be taken out of service and started up again quickly, even after sitting dormant for long periods. That provides energy managers with a higher degree of flexibility and responsiveness to demand.

Flow batteries are not new, but early iterations of the technology were bulky and inefficient. Recent advances in materials science have provided innovators with new opportunities to improve efficiency and develop more effective, energy-dense systems.

https://www.triplepundit.com/story/2022 ... ies/744071

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