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Try working on a Tesla and they never service or repair ur kart.adnj wrote:zoom rader wrote:Jackarse when u have change batteries and do electrical repairs on Motors, the manufacturers have the monopoly on that.
You as a user can't repair those things . These devices come sealed and once you tamper with it the manufacturers void themselves from it. This is how the manufacturers make money. You are only obligated to buy batteries from the manufacturer.
This is the moden business model that they use. Sell u a dream and catch u in the end with high repair bill and only the manufacturer are exclusive to parts needed. You don't get these parts to buy in the bamboo. I
Here's another secret the manufacturer can electronically shut down any electric or electronic part on the vehicle without you knowing.
But Continue, you never worked in an electrical or electronic engineering environment, so u won't know of these things.
Thus u a Kant
You have to be the dumbest muthafucka on this forum. Stupid dumba$$ worrying about breaking seals because your car is out of warranty. No one can rewind a motor? You can't fix shitt so no one else can. Keep making your dumbass excuses. Just a crying littlebitch.
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Try saying one muthafuckin thing that makes sense. Other than red government complaints you got fukking nothing to say.zoom rader wrote:Try working on a Tesla and they never service or repair ur kart.adnj wrote:zoom rader wrote:Jackarse when u have change batteries and do electrical repairs on Motors, the manufacturers have the monopoly on that.
You as a user can't repair those things . These devices come sealed and once you tamper with it the manufacturers void themselves from it. This is how the manufacturers make money. You are only obligated to buy batteries from the manufacturer.
This is the moden business model that they use. Sell u a dream and catch u in the end with high repair bill and only the manufacturer are exclusive to parts needed. You don't get these parts to buy in the bamboo. I
Here's another secret the manufacturer can electronically shut down any electric or electronic part on the vehicle without you knowing.
But Continue, you never worked in an electrical or electronic engineering environment, so u won't know of these things.
Thus u a Kant
You have to be the dumbest muthafucka on this forum. Stupid dumba$$ worrying about breaking seals because your car is out of warranty. No one can rewind a motor? You can't fix shitt so no one else can. Keep making your dumbass excuses. Just a crying littlebitch.
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adnj wrote:zoom rader wrote:Jackarse when u have change batteries and do electrical repairs on Motors, the manufacturers have the monopoly on that.
You as a user can't repair those things . These devices come sealed and once you tamper with it the manufacturers void themselves from it. This is how the manufacturers make money. You are only obligated to buy batteries from the manufacturer.
This is the moden business model that they use. Sell u a dream and catch u in the end with high repair bill and only the manufacturer are exclusive to parts needed. You don't get these parts to buy in the bamboo. I
Here's another secret the manufacturer can electronically shut down any electric or electronic part on the vehicle without you knowing.
But Continue, you never worked in an electrical or electronic engineering environment, so u won't know of these things.
Thus u a Kant
You have to be the dumbest muthafucka on this forum. Stupid dumba$$ worrying about breaking seals because your car is out of warranty. No one can rewind a motor? You can't fix shitt so no one else can. Keep making your dumbass excuses. Just a crying littlebitch.
There was once a time when fuel injection was seen as a replacement for carburetion. There was another time when automatic transmission was seen as a replacement for manuals. There was a time when horseless carriages would replace the saddle some day. Can it be that every single vehicle manufacturer have it so wrong? Thank God for trinituner free thinkers. Tesla, BMW, Benz, Porsche, Nissan, Toyota, Honda, Lotus, Rimac, Volkswagen,GM,Ford,Volvo, Lucid,Rivian and others need to read these posts. I for one will be watching with interest.sMASH wrote:adnj wrote:zoom rader wrote:Jackarse when u have change batteries and do electrical repairs on Motors, the manufacturers have the monopoly on that.
You as a user can't repair those things . These devices come sealed and once you tamper with it the manufacturers void themselves from it. This is how the manufacturers make money. You are only obligated to buy batteries from the manufacturer.
This is the moden business model that they use. Sell u a dream and catch u in the end with high repair bill and only the manufacturer are exclusive to parts needed. You don't get these parts to buy in the bamboo. I
Here's another secret the manufacturer can electronically shut down any electric or electronic part on the vehicle without you knowing.
But Continue, you never worked in an electrical or electronic engineering environment, so u won't know of these things.
Thus u a Kant
You have to be the dumbest muthafucka on this forum. Stupid dumba$$ worrying about breaking seals because your car is out of warranty. No one can rewind a motor? You can't fix shitt so no one else can. Keep making your dumbass excuses. Just a crying littlebitch.
hence why, rich rebuilds, who made his name pushing rebuilding tesla cars, ended up going 180, and puting ICE in teslas. the after market for teslas was good initially, and as it has become more mainstream, tesla restricted it so much that u need to go back to tesla for most things. and the cost is, well.. ur already in the game...
and the claims by the manufacturer only happens in some situations. in practice, things fail earlier,, not necessarily due to tesla, but real world conditions wear heavy.
adnj is quoting theory. the real world tends not to go along with theory... the cut and paste artists, doesnt understand that.
ICE technology is a mature platform and has little room for improvement in cost or efficiency.sMASH wrote:dont get me wrong, we ARE going e... its just that there is push for it, its not based in the economics. the extraction for the chemicals to make the batteries alone is quite problematic, environmentally wise. the power for the grid will require increasing, but the most fault tolerant and flexible source is with fossil. the recylcing of the ded batteries is also problematic.
ur saving the skies, but poisoning the land. and until u get more wind and solar, its just shifting the combustion from the individual to the corporation.
In some Hybrids, this is not possible. I do not want to make a blanket statement on the above but consider something:redmanjp wrote:if the battery in a hybrid stop working u could still drive with the ICE alone?
Yawntimelapse wrote:Zoom only knows what zoom knows.Ignorantly ignorant.
Can never offer any kind of positive contribution other than fvck pnm.An outdated old man that doesn't know he's outdated
That's right, go back to bed mamoozoom rader wrote:Yawntimelapse wrote:Zoom only knows what zoom knows.Ignorantly ignorant.
Can never offer any kind of positive contribution other than fvck pnm.An outdated old man that doesn't know he's outdated
agent007 wrote:In some Hybrids, this is not possible. I do not want to make a blanket statement on the above but consider something:redmanjp wrote:if the battery in a hybrid stop working u could still drive with the ICE alone?
As in the case with a large chunk of Hybrids on our roads, this group I'm referring to is the (Prius C, Aqua, Axio Hybrid, Fielder Hybrid, Sienta Hybrid) - that's a couple thousand there already
Those Hybrids have a slightly different version of the popular ottocycle 1NZ-FE found in a bunch of Toyotas, mainly the E12x and E14x Corollas.
The engine code in the Hybrids would be 1NZ-FXE which means it operates under the Atkinson combustion cycle for better fuel efficiency but with lowered output.
If the Hybrid Synergy Drive (HSD) system fails with electric motor or the P510 (eCVT) transmission or the battery pack itself, the ICE alone will not be able to propel the car forward safely and properly as the engine was designed to work in conjunction with the electric motor.
This would be similar to the Prius and Prius Alpha that has an HSD system paired with the 2ZR-FXE which is the Atkinson derivative of the regular 2ZR-FE.
For the Xtrail Hybrid, if the Hybrid system fails, the ICE may not be affected however the vehicle won't go anywhere as was reported in several instances.
It appears when the Hybrid System error comes up, it can shut the vehicle down into a safe mode or simply won't allow you to move the vehicle unless it's towed and code cleared, as in problem fixed.
Open to correction. But as I mentioned, even if the Aqua does start and limps forward, that's exactly what will happen...limp is the word.
The Xtrail on the otherhand does not use an Atkinson cycle engine as Toyota did with theirs. The MR20DD is basically the same unit found in regular Xtrail T32's and the Qashqai J11's with the exception of the electric AC compressor etc.
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:Phone Surgeon wrote:Sounds legit to me
Negligent maintenance.
sheit happens.Screenshot_20220430-090110_Chrome.jpg
that screenshot also has bolded "human error, software issues and equipment failure"
agent007 wrote:In some Hybrids, this is not possible. I do not want to make a blanket statement on the above but consider something:redmanjp wrote:if the battery in a hybrid stop working u could still drive with the ICE alone?
As in the case with a large chunk of Hybrids on our roads, this group I'm referring to is the (Prius C, Aqua, Axio Hybrid, Fielder Hybrid, Sienta Hybrid) - that's a couple thousand there already
Those Hybrids have a slightly different version of the popular ottocycle 1NZ-FE found in a bunch of Toyotas, mainly the E12x and E14x Corollas.
The engine code in the Hybrids would be 1NZ-FXE which means it operates under the Atkinson combustion cycle for better fuel efficiency but with lowered output.
If the Hybrid Synergy Drive (HSD) system fails with electric motor or the P510 (eCVT) transmission or the battery pack itself, the ICE alone will not be able to propel the car forward safely and properly as the engine was designed to work in conjunction with the electric motor.
This would be similar to the Prius and Prius Alpha that has an HSD system paired with the 2ZR-FXE which is the Atkinson derivative of the regular 2ZR-FE.
For the Xtrail Hybrid, if the Hybrid system fails, the ICE may not be affected however the vehicle won't go anywhere as was reported in several instances.
It appears when the Hybrid System error comes up, it can shut the vehicle down into a safe mode or simply won't allow you to move the vehicle unless it's towed and code cleared, as in problem fixed.
Open to correction. But as I mentioned, even if the Aqua does start and limps forward, that's exactly what will happen...limp is the word.
The Xtrail on the otherhand does not use an Atkinson cycle engine as Toyota did with theirs. The MR20DD is basically the same unit found in regular Xtrail T32's and the Qashqai J11's with the exception of the electric AC compressor etc.
sMASH wrote:^y dont they replace the batteries?
SKYACTIV engines went into production 12 years ago. That technology was developed with Ford Motor Company's Engine Division in the early 2000's and used on Ford Eco-Boost engines. VVT and high compression is hardly innovative. Most of the research was on materials, fabrication and controls. The problem was durability - to give the engine an acceptable useful life.sMASH wrote:soo, u have a bunch of undersized engines revving at the top end or over its efficiency curve, lugging around useless wieght, saving the planet.... right. at least that hybrid can still drive. imagine if was a ev, u will end up with more waste, as they hadda look for a b15 to get around
ev's are more ecological,,, on paper. the real world doesnt stick to those conditions as much.
the offset for that is for more renewable sources of energy to come online and replace the fossil fuels.
plus, there are still innovations being made in the ICE realm. the skyactive x is one that comes to mind.
New battery technologies and improved charging infrastructure address EV weaknesses of cost, rare earth materials usage, driving range. With ICE efficiency about one-third that of electric, a little bit more is not enough to be competitive.sMASH wrote:the engineering is getting more refined. and the efficiencies still have a bit more to give.
Wait till you have to replace batteries and service the motors.sMASH wrote:single use disposables.
zoom rader wrote:Wait till you have to replace batteries and service the motors.sMASH wrote:single use disposables.
It's gonna be the biggest con job
It how the manufacturers are going to make mass money.adnj wrote:zoom rader wrote:Wait till you have to replace batteries and service the motors.sMASH wrote:single use disposables.
It's gonna be the biggest con job
Simple island folk that can't get shitt right can just ride a donkey instead.
#nikkawannalooksmart
zoom rader wrote:It how the manufacturers are going to make mass money.adnj wrote:zoom rader wrote:Wait till you have to replace batteries and service the motors.sMASH wrote:single use disposables.
It's gonna be the biggest con job
Simple island folk that can't get shitt right can just ride a donkey instead.
#nikkawannalooksmart
Ramlal auto electrical shop will void the warranty and servicing of these karts. Manufacturers will not review that kart .
Ramlal just does not have the skill or access to the parts or kits to service the motor train or batteries.
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Simple world folk are conned
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