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Human-Animal Hybrids

Postby bluefete » July 22nd, 2011, 9:15 pm

Well! What we have known for years is finally starting to trickle out.

You will soon hear about cloned humans!!!!


150 human animal hybrids grown in UK labs: Embryos have been produced secretively for the past three years

By Daniel Martin and Simon Caldwell

Last updated at 12:42 AM on 23rd July 2011

Scientists have created more than 150 human-animal hybrid embryos in British laboratories.

The hybrids have been produced secretively over the past three years by researchers looking into possible cures for a wide range of diseases.

The revelation comes just a day after a committee of scientists warned of a nightmare ‘Planet of the Apes’ scenario in which work on human-animal creations goes too far.

Last night a campaigner against the excesses of medical research said he was disgusted that scientists were ‘dabbling in the grotesque’.

Figures seen by the Daily Mail show that 155 ‘admixed’ embryos, containing both human and animal genetic material, have been created since the introduction of the 2008 Human Fertilisation Embryology Act.

This legalised the creation of a variety of hybrids, including an animal egg fertilised by a human sperm; ‘cybrids’, in which a human nucleus is implanted into an animal cell; and ‘chimeras’, in which human cells are mixed with animal embryos.

Scientists say the techniques can be used to develop embryonic stem cells which can be used to treat a range of incurable illnesses.

Three labs in the UK – at King’s College London, Newcastle University and Warwick University – were granted licences to carry out the research after the Act came into force.

All have now stopped creating hybrid embryos due to a lack of funding, but scientists believe that there will be more such work in the future.

The figure was revealed to crossbench peer Lord Alton following a Parliamentary question.

Last night he said: ‘I argued in Parliament against the creation of human- animal hybrids as a matter of principle. None of the scientists who appeared before us could give us any justification in terms of treatment.

‘Ethically it can never be justifiable – it discredits us as a country. It is dabbling in the grotesque.

‘At every stage the justification from scientists has been: if only you allow us to do this, we will find cures for every illness known to mankind. This is emotional blackmail.

‘Of the 80 treatments and cures which have come about from stem cells, all have come from adult stem cells – not embryonic ones.
‘On moral and ethical grounds this fails; and on scientific and medical ones too.’

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Research centre: Warwick University has been growing animal human hybrids over the last three years. (I wonder what Image has to say about this?


Josephine Quintavalle, of pro-life group Comment on Reproductive Ethics, said: ‘I am aghast that this is going on and we didn’t know anything about it.

‘Why have they kept this a secret? If they are proud of what they are doing, why do we need to ask Parliamentary questions for this to come to light?

‘The problem with many scientists is that they want to do things because they want to experiment. That is not a good enough rationale.’

Earlier this week, a group of leading scientists warned about ‘Planet of the Apes’ experiments. They called for new rules to prevent lab animals being given human attributes, for example by injecting human stem cells into the brains of primates.

But the lead author of their report, Professor Robin Lovell-Badge, from the Medical Research Council’ s National Institute for Medical Research, said the scientists were not concerned about human-animal hybrid embryos because by law these have to be destroyed within 14 days.

He said: ‘The reason for doing these experiments is to understand more about early human development and come up with ways of curing serious diseases, and as a scientist I feel there is a moral imperative to pursue this research.

‘As long as we have sufficient controls – as we do in this country – we should be proud of the research.’

However, he called for stricter controls on another type of embryo research, in which animal embryos are implanted with a small amount of human genetic material.

Human-animal hybrids are also created in other countries, many of which have little or no regulation.

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Test centre: Newcastle University was another site where human animal hybrid testing was being undertaken

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z1St2GYpQz
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Re: Human-Animal Hybrids

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Re: Human-Animal Hybrids

Postby bluefete » July 22nd, 2011, 9:20 pm

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Postby shogun » July 22nd, 2011, 9:26 pm

*waits for zoom-rader's pnm retort to ched*

interesting stuff though, bluefete

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Re: Human-Animal Hybrids

Postby eViLwOn » July 22nd, 2011, 9:34 pm

This is what scientists hope to create...
Do they feel as if they are Gods?

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Re: Human-Animal Hybrids

Postby bluefete » July 22nd, 2011, 9:37 pm

eViLwOn wrote:This is what scientists hope to create...
Do they feel as if they are Gods?

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Well Adolf Hitler's doctor was given free rein to do these experiments in WW2.

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Re: Human-Animal Hybrids

Postby eViLwOn » July 22nd, 2011, 9:44 pm

Yes and the world knows of the atrocities of those experiments...
well as least some are aware....
to turn a blind eye to past wrongs is to condone it...

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Postby ~Vēġó~ » July 22nd, 2011, 9:53 pm

pig boy could char sui piece of himself and eat....

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Re: Human-Animal Hybrids

Postby stev » July 22nd, 2011, 10:16 pm

i wud hit d scaly gyul...jus sayin :|

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WDFMC?

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Postby redmanjp » July 22nd, 2011, 10:41 pm

:shock: d phoq!

wait...

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z1St2GYpQz


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stev wrote:i wud hit d scaly gyul...jus sayin :|


x2 :D

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Postby Bizzare » July 22nd, 2011, 10:45 pm

Ah certain feuner (check sig) guh make man believe they growing hybrids years now. :lol:

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Postby - Rovin's car audio - » July 22nd, 2011, 10:54 pm

i hear this feller was involved in d secret lab ...
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Postby ~Vēġó~ » July 23rd, 2011, 12:06 am

pressure dey Bizzare!!

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Postby DevilZ » July 23rd, 2011, 12:39 pm

anybody watch splice?

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bluefete wrote:

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~Vēġó~ wrote:pig boy could char sui piece of himself and eat....


somebody say char sui...yum

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DevilZ wrote:anybody watch splice?

Yeah, it is disturbing.

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Postby zoom rader » July 23rd, 2011, 1:52 pm

shogun wrote:*waits for zoom-rader's pnm retort to ched*

interesting stuff though, bluefete


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rofl :lol: :lol: gets me every time :lol:

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Re: Human-Animal Hybrids

Postby eViLwOn » July 23rd, 2011, 5:02 pm

The purpose of those experiments is develop embryonic stem cells which can be used to treat a range of incurable illnesses.
Maybe soon this may be in the works as well....

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Re: Human-Animal Hybrids

Postby Jonathan » July 24th, 2011, 1:55 pm

We are all animals.. Why the distinction between humans and animals? /trollface

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Re: Human-Animal Hybrids

Postby K74T » July 24th, 2011, 2:13 pm

bluefete what does Lisa Wickham have to do with the hybrids :?

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Re: Human-Animal Hybrids

Postby bluefete » July 24th, 2011, 2:21 pm

K74t wrote:bluefete what does Lisa Wickham have to do with the hybrids :?


She is an alumni of Warwick university. One of the institutions doing these experiments.

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Postby salvation4U » July 24th, 2011, 2:55 pm

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Human-Animal Synthetic Organisms: After more than a decade of stem cell research, scientists are now facing hurdles with cell therapy from the present human embryonic stem cell experimentation. The next phase involves human-animal combinations via Chimeras, Hybrids and Cybrids. The ATCA and HQR image shows Patricia Piccinini's "The Young Family" and reflects on the perils of creating human-animal synthetic organisms.

1. A Chimera is produced when a human embryo is fused with an animal embryo;
2. An Hybrid is produced when a human female egg is fertilised with animal sperm or vice-versa; and
3. A "Cybrid" is produced when an animal cell's genetic material is removed and replaced with human genetic material.

Some key questions arise:

1. Should human genetic material be fused with animal cells to create clones of hybrids and cybrids for research?
2. Are human body replacement parts which are part human and part animal appropriate?

Whilst this human-animal combination may open up more potential for future cell therapy and cures for serious illnesses like cancer, there are clear asymmetric threats emerging for humanity. At the same time, it is not clear that if we create human-animal combinations as test beds for research into cancer or other deadly diseases, any success in identifying new treatments will necessarily replicate reliably in the context of the human species. We may indeed have found solutions for the artificially created human-animal synthetic species which may completely fail on the classic "human being." Hence defeating the purpose of the entire exercise.

Background problem

Why is there a rising need for human-animal combinations for biomedical research? Scientists are facing difficulty getting volunteers to donate human donor eggs for cell based research and therapeutic cloning as egg donation is a procedure which poses some risks to a healthy human female's life. The fusion of human genetic material with animal ova is thought to produce cells which behave in a manner identical to human embryos obtained from in vitro fertilisation (IVF). In IVF obtained embryos, the inner cell mass (ICM) of these minute human embryos would normally differentiate to form various organs of the human body. But when the ICM is removed for human therapeutic cloning experiments including embryonic stem cell research, the human embryo must die. This is the major moral and ethical objection of therapeutic cloning in regard to human embryos.

Rabbit-human hybrid embryos

In August 2003, Hui Zhen Sheng of Shanghai Second Medical University, China, announced that rabbit-human 'cybrid' embryos had been created. Researchers fused adult human material with rabbit eggs stripped of their original genetic material and created rabbit-human hybrid embryos which developed to approximately the 100-cell stage, after about four days of development. Moreover, the scientists claimed to derive stem cells from these embryos similar to conventional human embryonic stem cells.

Historic attempts at human-ape

There are well-documented reports that a few scientists in the mid-1920s made serious attempts to create a half-human, half-chimpanzee. One of the Soviet Union's top scientists, Professor Ilya Ivanov, tried to impregnate female chimpanzees with human sperm in Africa in order to create a human-chimpanzee hybrid (a humanzee). These experiments were unsuccessful, but at the time many colleagues believed it was probably feasible in the future. The "Humanzee" is becoming possible in the 21st century.

Chimeras

A chimera of either form of hybrid will have both human and animal tissues. Examples of classic chimeras include the mule, which is a cross between a horse and a donkey. Mythical examples of chimeras include the Merlion (human and a fish) and Centaur (body of a horse and a human head).

The Asymmetric Threats from Human-Animal Synthetic Organisms

1. Medical science has repeatedly shown that animal diseases can be transmitted into humans by any remnant animal protein or genetic fragment, especially from animal protein or genetic material remaining in the egg of the animal. Such diseases can include cancer, leukaemia, or even Alzheimer dementia and mad cow disease by difficult-to-detect prion protein.

2. Serious animal infections, presently confined only to the animal kingdom, can cross the species barrier and infect humans. For example, the HIV virus was transmitted from chimpanzees to humans. It was absent prior to the 1950s but started appearing in Africa either when some tribes ate infected chimps or was passed by errant researchers using chimpanzee serum for human treatment. Chicken eggs may contain the fatal avian virus, and poultry hepatitis B viruses which cause liver cancer.

3. If a human being is created in the Chimera form, and then its life is terminated, this could be legally and ethically unjustifiable.

4. It may be said that any form of mixing violates natural boundaries -- it breaks the species barrier. To pursue this, however, we need to increase our understanding of the strengths and weaknesses of the concept of species boundaries. Although it is rare for species to interbreed, the 'barrier' is in reality difficult to define.

5. If each species has a clearly defined genome, then mixing species means mixing up two distinct genomes. With the human genome, things are not that clear. To start with, around half the genes in human cells create proteins that keep cells alive and growing. These genes are found in many different living organisms where they vary only slightly, if at all, from the versions found in humans. This is why people quote figures such as "humans are 50% bananas!" It is therefore difficult to describe these so-called 'housekeeper' genes as belonging to any particular species.

The word 'science' derives from the Latin scientia, knowledge, and science is rightly concerned with 'the systematic study of the nature and behaviour of the material and physical universe, based on observation, experiment and measurement'. However, questions like whether to create human-animal embryonic combinations require more than knowledge, they require wisdom. Wisdom is knowledge tempered by judgment. Science cannot simply pursue the acquisition of knowledge without any consideration of the means involved; it must operate within legal and ethical boundaries. What if the human-animal combinations fail to find cures for any illness but unleash a whole series of new fangled problems and diseases in runaway chain-reaction experiments? The regulatory system may fail at some point and the scheduled termination of human-animal synthetic organisms may not take place. What happens then? What if the new synthetic species grows in confinement to full form and escapes into the wider world?

ATCA and HQR are pro-science and we need to look for ways of conducting science within a legally and ethically justifiable framework for the long term. ATCA and HQR recognise that direct human and animal experimentation is becoming increasingly difficult for the scientific community in the current climate because of STRICT government restrictions enforced by tight legislation as well as human rights and animal rights groups. Therefore, the scientific community is left with limited options such as pursuing research at a cellular level to create human-animal synthetic organisms in order to understand and to find cures for debilitating diseases. However, if the world's scientific community were to make the brave decision not to pursue this particular direction of human-animal synthetic research, then new avenues would almost certainly open up and lead to alternative modes of finding cures and treatments. Rather than being a panacea the human-animal synthetic organisms could be the opening of the genetic equivalent of pandora's box!

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Re: Human-Animal Hybrids

Postby nervewrecker » July 24th, 2011, 3:01 pm

eViLwOn wrote:The purpose of those experiments is develop embryonic stem cells which can be used to treat a range of incurable illnesses.
Maybe soon this may be in the works as well....

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Re: Human-Animal Hybrids

Postby K74T » July 24th, 2011, 3:03 pm

Glourious exposition, comrade

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Postby salvation4U » July 24th, 2011, 3:08 pm

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Re: Human-Animal Hybrids

Postby bluefete » July 24th, 2011, 3:12 pm

Salvation 4U: Very interesting reading.

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