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MG Man wrote:FrankChag wrote:[size=114]The Creation itself is sufficient a proof for any thinking person...
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.I stopped reading after that
Much that was called religion has carried an unconscious attitude of hostility toward life. True religion must teach that life is filled with joys pleasing to the eye of God, that knowledge without action is empty. All men must see that the teaching of religion by rules and rote is largely a hoax. The proper teaching is recognized with ease. You can know it without fail because it awakens within you that sensation which tells you this is something you've always known.
Some Lies are easier to believe than the truth.
- Orange Catholic Bible
FrankChag wrote:matr1x wrote:All religions are often placed for criticism and ridicule, why should Islam be given any special treatment?
Now they feel very comfortable using violence to silence criticism and parody. This seems to be because they realize that western cultures retreat. What should happen is that when a terrorist attack happens, 100 mosques go up in flames. Don't come in and do your nonsensematr1x wrote:And the foolish idea is don't judge a faith by the actions of its ppl. That's the very litmus test of a faith. How the people behave
What religion are you again? You legit sound like a terrorist.
MG Man wrote:FrankChag wrote:The Creation itself is sufficient a proof for any thinking person...
.I stopped reading after that
alfa wrote:FrankChag wrote:matr1x wrote:All religions are often placed for criticism and ridicule, why should Islam be given any special treatment?
Now they feel very comfortable using violence to silence criticism and parody. This seems to be because they realize that western cultures retreat. What should happen is that when a terrorist attack happens, 100 mosques go up in flames. Don't come in and do your nonsensematr1x wrote:And the foolish idea is don't judge a faith by the actions of its ppl. That's the very litmus test of a faith. How the people behave
What religion are you again? You legit sound like a terrorist.
Excuse Mr Lie o nel I mean matrix. He a lil sour since his cousin (I forgot the s) died in 911
matr1x wrote:alfa wrote:FrankChag wrote:matr1x wrote:All religions are often placed for criticism and ridicule, why should Islam be given any special treatment?
Now they feel very comfortable using violence to silence criticism and parody. This seems to be because they realize that western cultures retreat. What should happen is that when a terrorist attack happens, 100 mosques go up in flames. Don't come in and do your nonsensematr1x wrote:And the foolish idea is don't judge a faith by the actions of its ppl. That's the very litmus test of a faith. How the people behave
What religion are you again? You legit sound like a terrorist.
Excuse Mr Lie o nel I mean matrix. He a lil sour since his cousin (I forgot the s) died in 911
The reason it wouldn't go up in flames is the west is civilized. A control on the faith should be considered. One major terrorist attack should be enough
FrankChag wrote:matr1x wrote:alfa wrote:FrankChag wrote:matr1x wrote:All religions are often placed for criticism and ridicule, why should Islam be given any special treatment?
Now they feel very comfortable using violence to silence criticism and parody. This seems to be because they realize that western cultures retreat. What should happen is that when a terrorist attack happens, 100 mosques go up in flames. Don't come in and do your nonsensematr1x wrote:And the foolish idea is don't judge a faith by the actions of its ppl. That's the very litmus test of a faith. How the people behave
What religion are you again? You legit sound like a terrorist.
Excuse Mr Lie o nel I mean matrix. He a lil sour since his cousin (I forgot the s) died in 911
The reason it wouldn't go up in flames is the west is civilized. A control on the faith should be considered. One major terrorist attack should be enough
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FrankChag wrote:Sigh, in reality, people like frankchag are the biggest fundies and hypocrites.
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They are deaf, dumb, and blind, so they return not (to the Right Path).
https://quran.com/2/18
MG Man wrote:FrankChag wrote:Sigh, in reality, people like frankchag are the biggest fundies and hypocrites.
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They are deaf, dumb, and blind, so they return not (to the Right Path).
https://quran.com/2/18
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matr1x wrote:FrankChag wrote:matr1x wrote:alfa wrote:FrankChag wrote:matr1x wrote:All religions are often placed for criticism and ridicule, why should Islam be given any special treatment?
Now they feel very comfortable using violence to silence criticism and parody. This seems to be because they realize that western cultures retreat. What should happen is that when a terrorist attack happens, 100 mosques go up in flames. Don't come in and do your nonsensematr1x wrote:And the foolish idea is don't judge a faith by the actions of its ppl. That's the very litmus test of a faith. How the people behave
What religion are you again? You legit sound like a terrorist.
Excuse Mr Lie o nel I mean matrix. He a lil sour since his cousin (I forgot the s) died in 911
The reason it wouldn't go up in flames is the west is civilized. A control on the faith should be considered. One major terrorist attack should be enough
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Unless you support Sept 11. What about the sex attacks in 2019 by Islamic illegal immigrants?
FrankChag wrote:MG Man wrote:FrankChag wrote:Sigh, in reality, people like frankchag are the biggest fundies and hypocrites.
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They are deaf, dumb, and blind, so they return not (to the Right Path).
https://quran.com/2/18
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The i'm-rubber-you're-glue defense... haven't seen that one in a while. Touché.
MG Man wrote:FrankChag wrote:MG Man wrote:FrankChag wrote:Sigh, in reality, people like frankchag are the biggest fundies and hypocrites.
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They are deaf, dumb, and blind, so they return not (to the Right Path).
https://quran.com/2/18
fixed buddy
The i'm-rubber-you're-glue defense... haven't seen that one in a while. Touché.
I try to match my arguments with the audience
FrankChag wrote:daring dragoon wrote:FrankChag wrote:daring dragoon wrote:when you buy a text book in the 80's pluto was a plant and in the 2020's pluto is an exoplanet, same with the koran. it came after the gita and bible and it copy all their content and made flips to some of the life teaching that were in those books such as the hindu text say worship cow the koran say kill the cow, bible say wine is blood of christ and them say wine haram. the koran and muslims are cheap knock off of the real god and real teachings.
Do they not then consider the Qur’ân carefully?
Had it been from other than Allâh,
they would surely have found therein many a contradiction.
https://quran.com/4/82
hoss allah is a name derived from the hindu word allat which in sanskrit means devi and moon goddess which is why muslims have to wait on the moon in ramadan and even ramadan has a hindu god in its name. allah and muslims are just knockoffs of other great religions.
Here are some knowledge of a pre-Islamic Arabic Goddess known as “Allat” excavated in Palmyra, Syria etc. “Allat” in Arabic means “Goddess” (“Devi” in Sanskrit). She is frequently called "the Great Goddess" in Greek in multi-lingual inscriptions. According to pre-Islamic mythology from Arabia she is the consort of “Allah” which in Arabic simply means God and was commonly used even before the advent of Islam. She is even thought to be the mother of two gods: Hubal, the primary deity to whom the shrine of Qaba was dedicated before the advent of Islam, and Wadd, a moon-god to whom snakes were believed to be a sacred symbol. Even though little is known about her because all records related to her have been destroyed, it is very interesting that we find a lion sitting next to her which certainly hints some connection with the Hindu Goddess Parvati who is also referred to as Maha Devi (the Great Goddess) and has the lion as her companion according to Hindu mythology. She is the consort of Shiva Mahadeva (the Great God) and is the mother of two gods: Ganesha and Kartikeya. It must be noted that "alla" in Sanskrit means mothe
Hoss... sounds like a overzealous pundit-padawan trying to impress pandiji by appropriation. Where are your references?
All false though. "Allah" is a proper noun for God, the Almighty. This was the case even with the pagan Arabs. From the Arabic, you can break it apart to "al-ilah", meaning The God (definite article "al" meaning the one and only God). The word exists in other Semitic/root/cognate languages including Hebrew (El or Elohim), Aramaic (Elah and Elaha) and Syriac (Elaha).
From your own sources:
Zeki Saritoprak (2006). "Allah". In Oliver Leaman (ed.). The Qur'an: An Encyclopedia. Routledge. p. 34.
FrankChag wrote:MG Man wrote:FrankChag wrote:The Creation itself is sufficient a proof for any thinking person...
.I stopped reading after that
Probably like most in my demographic, I've been an armchair cosmologist for a long time. I've probably seen most quality youtube vids and doccos on the cosmos. I even dabble in some astronomy and astrophysics (I like pretending I understand the math). But what always amazes me is the elaborate dance that these immensely brilliant men and women perform when they're trying to theorize why, for no apparent reason (apropos of nothing), everything (so not just our observable universe, everything) simply sprung into existence from a tiniest nothing-dot of mass and energy. And even more so, why the initial conditions (matter and energy) and the expansion rate are so perfectly balanced that the universe kept on expanding and didn't collapse on itself. It's almost as if.. it was created... from nothing.
Because God-forbid someone theorizes (or even hypothesizes) that something created it. Taboo! Burn him at the stakes! /s
Sigh, in reality, atheists are the biggest fundies and hypocrites.
They are deaf, dumb, and blind, so they return not (to the Right Path).
https://quran.com/2/18
daring dragoon wrote:FrankChag wrote:MG Man wrote:FrankChag wrote:The Creation itself is sufficient a proof for any thinking person...
.I stopped reading after that
Probably like most in my demographic, I've been an armchair cosmologist for a long time. I've probably seen most quality youtube vids and doccos on the cosmos. I even dabble in some astronomy and astrophysics (I like pretending I understand the math). But what always amazes me is the elaborate dance that these immensely brilliant men and women perform when they're trying to theorize why, for no apparent reason (apropos of nothing), everything (so not just our observable universe, everything) simply sprung into existence from a tiniest nothing-dot of mass and energy. And even more so, why the initial conditions (matter and energy) and the expansion rate are so perfectly balanced that the universe kept on expanding and didn't collapse on itself. It's almost as if.. it was created... from nothing.
Because God-forbid someone theorizes (or even hypothesizes) that something created it. Taboo! Burn him at the stakes! /s
Sigh, in reality, atheists are the biggest fundies and hypocrites.
They are deaf, dumb, and blind, so they return not (to the Right Path).
https://quran.com/2/18
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so d boss. tell us what is that black stone in mecca in the kabba that worshipers face east to pray and touch and kiss the stone. looks like a hindu shiva stone to me.
maj. tom wrote:
FrankieFanatic, where did God come from? What was there before it came into existence? Time is linear right? So what was there before? There's always a before. Using the same YouTube type of very, very shallow pool of cosmos education that you just typed out above. And no font colouring and frenzy quoting from the desert wasteland tribes eh. Just think a little bit on your own and answer.
daring dragoon wrote:FrankChag wrote:daring dragoon wrote:FrankChag wrote:daring dragoon wrote:when you buy a text book in the 80's pluto was a plant and in the 2020's pluto is an exoplanet, same with the koran. it came after the gita and bible and it copy all their content and made flips to some of the life teaching that were in those books such as the hindu text say worship cow the koran say kill the cow, bible say wine is blood of christ and them say wine haram. the koran and muslims are cheap knock off of the real god and real teachings.
Do they not then consider the Qur’ân carefully?
Had it been from other than Allâh,
they would surely have found therein many a contradiction.
https://quran.com/4/82
hoss allah is a name derived from the hindu word allat which in sanskrit means devi and moon goddess which is why muslims have to wait on the moon in ramadan and even ramadan has a hindu god in its name. allah and muslims are just knockoffs of other great religions.
Here are some knowledge of a pre-Islamic Arabic Goddess known as “Allat” excavated in Palmyra, Syria etc. “Allat” in Arabic means “Goddess” (“Devi” in Sanskrit). She is frequently called "the Great Goddess" in Greek in multi-lingual inscriptions. According to pre-Islamic mythology from Arabia she is the consort of “Allah” which in Arabic simply means God and was commonly used even before the advent of Islam. She is even thought to be the mother of two gods: Hubal, the primary deity to whom the shrine of Qaba was dedicated before the advent of Islam, and Wadd, a moon-god to whom snakes were believed to be a sacred symbol. Even though little is known about her because all records related to her have been destroyed, it is very interesting that we find a lion sitting next to her which certainly hints some connection with the Hindu Goddess Parvati who is also referred to as Maha Devi (the Great Goddess) and has the lion as her companion according to Hindu mythology. She is the consort of Shiva Mahadeva (the Great God) and is the mother of two gods: Ganesha and Kartikeya. It must be noted that "alla" in Sanskrit means mothe
Hoss... sounds like a overzealous pundit-padawan trying to impress pandiji by appropriation. Where are your references?
All false though. "Allah" is a proper noun for God, the Almighty. This was the case even with the pagan Arabs. From the Arabic, you can break it apart to "al-ilah", meaning The God (definite article "al" meaning the one and only God). The word exists in other Semitic/root/cognate languages including Hebrew (El or Elohim), Aramaic (Elah and Elaha) and Syriac (Elaha).
From your own sources:
Zeki Saritoprak (2006). "Allah". In Oliver Leaman (ed.). The Qur'an: An Encyclopedia. Routledge. p. 34.
sounds made up. is that the fanatical bs they teach in nur-e-islam mosque ?
timelapse wrote:This here is a prime example of where God stops and religion starts.
You are just trying to validate your own belief by trying to define who is "more right".
Arguing semantics and origins of words has zero bearing on God and true religion.
Words and written history are the creation of man.Creations of man are where trouble starts.
maj. tom wrote:I am not questioning them at all. I am questioning YOU. You who lack the capacity of understanding it and can only see it in the very limited the way you decide that you want to.
And of course you won't answer what I asked above. Of course. A simple question where you have to think on your own just a little bit. You don't even have the logical capacity to say "I don't know."
You're dismissed from any further reasonable and rational discussion from practically everyone who has tried to engage you properly here so far, but do feel free to continue and contain your ranting fanaticism here.
Looking forward to you and bluefete collaborate posting in this thread.
P.S. ALL your "sources" are complete bullsheit.
There'll never be a consensus between believers and atheists. Both still filled with extreme douche bags because ppl are shitty. It's all about what brings you peace in life or after(if it exists)maj. tom wrote:I am not questioning them at all. I am questioning YOU. You who lack the capacity of understanding it and can only see it in the very limited the way you decide that you want to.
And of course you won't answer what I asked above. Of course. A simple question where you have to think on your own just a little bit. You don't even have the logical capacity to say "I don't know."
You're dismissed from any further reasonable and rational discussion from practically everyone who has tried to engage you properly here so far, but do feel free to continue and contain your ranting fanaticism here.
Looking forward to you and bluefete collaborate posting in this thread.
N.B. ALL your hyperlinked "sources" that you keep posting everywhere to support your fanatic interpretations are complete bullsheit.
mero wrote:There'll never be a consensus between believers and atheists. Both still filled with extreme douche bags because ppl are shitty. It's all about what brings you peace in life or after(if it exists)maj. tom wrote:I am not questioning them at all. I am questioning YOU. You who lack the capacity of understanding it and can only see it in the very limited the way you decide that you want to.
And of course you won't answer what I asked above. Of course. A simple question where you have to think on your own just a little bit. You don't even have the logical capacity to say "I don't know."
You're dismissed from any further reasonable and rational discussion from practically everyone who has tried to engage you properly here so far, but do feel free to continue and contain your ranting fanaticism here.
Looking forward to you and bluefete collaborate posting in this thread.
N.B. ALL your hyperlinked "sources" that you keep posting everywhere to support your fanatic interpretations are complete bullsheit.
Theists can quote 100 scriptures and share their divine experiences and atheist will say haha hyc and quote Ricky Gervais and Bill Maher or whatever atheists gods they believe in and act like they have a chip on their shoulder because ScIEncE can't prove it . Modern atheist want to suddenly ban all religion like of most of them didn't grow up in religion which basically defined the person they are today from these same doctrines (via morals, discipline, sharing fear of God seeing you making mischief) whether they choose to suddenly dismiss it today and vice versa
Yea science is logical and amen to medicine, space ships flat screen tvs and smart phones but it really only makes sense to us cuz we're us cuz we're humans and we think everything is about us on our very small timeline of existence .. What if nothing is? Life could really make no sense.
We can't even understand our own existence, really grasp wtf a sun is, a black hole, everything coming from nothing, the next galaxy being light years away, the earth being billions of years old, and we with a lifespan of under a 100 years trying to make sense of it all yet denying a "God" or higher/divine entities exist because it doesn't make sense and sounds illogical cuz we yet to fully grasp of essence of higher powers.
K thanks but but you say the same thing twice.abducted wrote:mero wrote:There'll never be a consensus between believers and atheists. Both still filled with extreme douche bags because ppl are shitty. It's all about what brings you peace in life or after(if it exists)maj. tom wrote:I am not questioning them at all. I am questioning YOU. You who lack the capacity of understanding it and can only see it in the very limited the way you decide that you want to.
And of course you won't answer what I asked above. Of course. A simple question where you have to think on your own just a little bit. You don't even have the logical capacity to say "I don't know."
You're dismissed from any further reasonable and rational discussion from practically everyone who has tried to engage you properly here so far, but do feel free to continue and contain your ranting fanaticism here.
Looking forward to you and bluefete collaborate posting in this thread.
N.B. ALL your hyperlinked "sources" that you keep posting everywhere to support your fanatic interpretations are complete bullsheit.
Theists can quote 100 scriptures and share their divine experiences and atheist will say haha hyc and quote Ricky Gervais and Bill Maher or whatever atheists gods they believe in and act like they have a chip on their shoulder because ScIEncE can't prove it . Modern atheist want to suddenly ban all religion like of most of them didn't grow up in religion which basically defined the person they are today from these same doctrines (via morals, discipline, sharing fear of God seeing you making mischief) whether they choose to suddenly dismiss it today and vice versa
Yea science is logical and amen to medicine, space ships flat screen tvs and smart phones but it really only makes sense to us cuz we're us cuz we're humans and we think everything is about us on our very small timeline of existence .. What if nothing is? Life could really make no sense.
We can't even understand our own existence, really grasp wtf a sun is, a black hole, everything coming from nothing, the next galaxy being light years away, the earth being billions of years old, and we with a lifespan of under a 100 years trying to make sense of it all yet denying a "God" or higher/divine entities exist because it doesn't make sense and sounds illogical cuz we yet to fully grasp of essence of higher powers.
Atheists don't believe there is no god, atheism is a lack of belief, the same way you lack the belief that Santa Clause is real,
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