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timelapse wrote:South American Catholics a lil weird They have the whole Santaria faction aka Spanish obeahmatr1x wrote:That take holy and make it holey.
But isn't Venezuela a devout catholic country. Tell you alot.
And middle east too. Tells you plenty
He was a prophet named Isa.timelapse wrote:Muslims say Jesus was a Muslim...bluefete wrote:York wrote:The early Christians used to sing the Psalms much like reciting the Quran.bluefete wrote:Rovin wrote:man big fontin n ting ... i supposed dise for d ppl with poor eyesight orrr
1 lil post i make last wk bout somebody playing a song & look at how it brought back life to this topic ...
Well, you should be glad.
I am sure many people, including Muslims, were enlightened by what you wrote, and the discussion it engendered.
What you quoted from Matthew was not in formal worship setting, so again it could like how Muslims recite the verses of God, the Quran.
Singing was not formally introduced into Christian worship until the 16th Century, why? And maybe it existed before that but after their meetings after they had their meals. So again not in formal worship.
Singing and reciting are two different things as has been established. Who knows what the original language in the Bible really referred to? Is it singing or reciting? And I don't think musical instruments were included or were commanded.
The yardstick being used is the practise of the followers not the scripture itself and the command or practise of the prophets. Innovation creeps in brought upon by influence of the culture and society. Just like formal gospel music developed together with the music industry of the 20th century.
When Christians introduced music in their worship sessions does not change what went before.
Jesus was a Jew and followed Jewish practices. Whether in a formal or informal setting does not change the fact the Jesus and his disciples SANG together.
Like I stated before, depending on which branch / sect of the religion you grew up in - if you sing, is hell fire and eternal damnation for you.
So people who say that singing is of and from the devil must explain why God gave us voices that can be used to both sing and recite. SMDH
Pics or it didn't happenDave wrote:He was a prophet named Isa.timelapse wrote:Muslims say Jesus was a Muslim...bluefete wrote:York wrote:The early Christians used to sing the Psalms much like reciting the Quran.bluefete wrote:Rovin wrote:man big fontin n ting ... i supposed dise for d ppl with poor eyesight orrr
1 lil post i make last wk bout somebody playing a song & look at how it brought back life to this topic ...
Well, you should be glad.
I am sure many people, including Muslims, were enlightened by what you wrote, and the discussion it engendered.
What you quoted from Matthew was not in formal worship setting, so again it could like how Muslims recite the verses of God, the Quran.
Singing was not formally introduced into Christian worship until the 16th Century, why? And maybe it existed before that but after their meetings after they had their meals. So again not in formal worship.
Singing and reciting are two different things as has been established. Who knows what the original language in the Bible really referred to? Is it singing or reciting? And I don't think musical instruments were included or were commanded.
The yardstick being used is the practise of the followers not the scripture itself and the command or practise of the prophets. Innovation creeps in brought upon by influence of the culture and society. Just like formal gospel music developed together with the music industry of the 20th century.
When Christians introduced music in their worship sessions does not change what went before.
Jesus was a Jew and followed Jewish practices. Whether in a formal or informal setting does not change the fact the Jesus and his disciples SANG together.
Like I stated before, depending on which branch / sect of the religion you grew up in - if you sing, is hell fire and eternal damnation for you.
So people who say that singing is of and from the devil must explain why God gave us voices that can be used to both sing and recite. SMDH
Phone Surgeon wrote:if people werent allowed to sing then people who could draw were probably viewed as evil shaytans come to corrupt the hearts and minds of the believers.
no illustrations allowed!
timelapse wrote:Oh wait, I broke character.
Ave Satanis!!!!!
Satan rules this world!!!!
Simple, it’s a test of how you choose to use it. A choice just like good or evil.bluefete wrote:So people who say that singing is of and from the devil must explain why God gave us voices that can be used to both sing and recite. SMDH
in the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king?one eye wrote:John 14:6 KJV - Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John 14:7 KJV - If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
Baptists, Catholics, Hindus, Judaists, Mormons, Muslims, Sikhs and all others, you will not inherit the kingdom of God if you continue to reject Jesus Christ.
It is not okay to be a hindu.
bluefete wrote:Matthew 26:
29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.
matr1x wrote:Phone Surgeon wrote:if people werent allowed to sing then people who could draw were probably viewed as evil shaytans come to corrupt the hearts and minds of the believers. no illustrations allowed!
Except the illustrations of plant life which was allowed.
Now as a religious belief, if it's followers believe in violence and aggressive domination of population where they go, tells you alot of their faith.
Queue the sex attacks on old years day in European cities by gangs of Muslim youth.
FrankChag wrote:matr1x wrote:Phone Surgeon wrote:if people werent allowed to sing then people who could draw were probably viewed as evil shaytans come to corrupt the hearts and minds of the believers. no illustrations allowed!
Except the illustrations of plant life which was allowed.
Now as a religious belief, if it's followers believe in violence and aggressive domination of population where they go, tells you alot of their faith.
Queue the sex attacks on old years day in European cities by gangs of Muslim youth.
"There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path. Whoever disbelieves in Tâghût (anything worshipped other than the Real God (Allâh)) and believes in Allâh, then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And Allâh is All-Hearer, All-Knower."
https://quran.com/2/256
matr1x wrote:FrankChag wrote:matr1x wrote:Phone Surgeon wrote:if people werent allowed to sing then people who could draw were probably viewed as evil shaytans come to corrupt the hearts and minds of the believers. no illustrations allowed!
Except the illustrations of plant life which was allowed.
Now as a religious belief, if it's followers believe in violence and aggressive domination of population where they go, tells you alot of their faith.
Queue the sex attacks on old years day in European cities by gangs of Muslim youth.
"There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path. Whoever disbelieves in Tâghût (anything worshipped other than the Real God (Allâh)) and believes in Allâh, then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And Allâh is All-Hearer, All-Knower."
https://quran.com/2/256
Nice try, but when your clerics and leaders are preaching the violence and your own book condemning non believers, you do realize it reeks of hypocrisy?
You judge a religion by the actions of its followers. When people make excuses, they are enabling the bad behavior.
This goes for Christianity too.
timelapse wrote:TBH, I went to a Muslim primary school.My dad's family is Muslim, my mom's Hindu.
From an early age, I would keep hearing from the Muslim kids and teachers that such and such is a sin,and that God would punish me for doing this or that.I wasn't going to live my life like that.
Not that anything wrong with the religion, but that kind of constant fear of punishment isn't a life worth living IMHO
"And of mankind are some who take (for worship) others besides Allâh as rivals1 (to Allâh). They love them as they love Allâh. But those who believe, love Allâh more (than anything else). If only, those who do wrong could see, when they will see the torment, that all power belongs to Allâh and that Allâh is Severe in punishment." https://quran.com/2/165
"And do not do mischief on the earth, after it has been set in order, and invoke Him with fear and hope. Surely, Allâh’s Mercy is (ever) near unto the good-doers." https://quran.com/7/56
"Their sides forsake their beds, to invoke their Lord in fear and hope, and they spend (in charity in Allâh’s Cause) out of what We have bestowed on them" https://quran.com/32/16
"So We answered his call, and We bestowed upon him Yahyâ (John), and cured his wife (to bear a child) for him. Verily, they used to hasten on to do good deeds, and they used to call on Us with hope and fear, and used to humble themselves before Us." https://quran.com/21/90
"...Verily, your Lord is Quick in Retribution (for the disobedient, wicked) and certainly He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (for the obedient and those who beg Allâh’s Forgiveness). " https://quran.com/7/167
"Say: "O ‘Ibâdî (My slaves) who have transgressed against themselves (by committing evil deeds and sins)! Despair not of the Mercy of Allâh: verily, Allâh forgives all sins. Truly He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful" https://quran.com/39/53
FrankChag wrote:matr1x wrote:FrankChag wrote:matr1x wrote:Phone Surgeon wrote:if people werent allowed to sing then people who could draw were probably viewed as evil shaytans come to corrupt the hearts and minds of the believers. no illustrations allowed!
Except the illustrations of plant life which was allowed.
Now as a religious belief, if it's followers believe in violence and aggressive domination of population where they go, tells you alot of their faith.
Queue the sex attacks on old years day in European cities by gangs of Muslim youth.
"There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path. Whoever disbelieves in Tâghût (anything worshipped other than the Real God (Allâh)) and believes in Allâh, then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And Allâh is All-Hearer, All-Knower."
https://quran.com/2/256
Nice try, but when your clerics and leaders are preaching the violence and your own book condemning non believers, you do realize it reeks of hypocrisy?
You judge a religion by the actions of its followers. When people make excuses, they are enabling the bad behavior.
This goes for Christianity too.
Should we judge your mother by your behavoiur?
Unfortunately, you are mistaking Islaam and Muslims for the idiots like the extreme shia, and isis and other khawarij dogs.
You should learn more:
http://shia.BS/
http://www.islamagainstextremism.com/
matr1x wrote:FrankChag wrote:matr1x wrote:FrankChag wrote:matr1x wrote:Phone Surgeon wrote:if people werent allowed to sing then people who could draw were probably viewed as evil shaytans come to corrupt the hearts and minds of the believers. no illustrations allowed!
Except the illustrations of plant life which was allowed.
Now as a religious belief, if it's followers believe in violence and aggressive domination of population where they go, tells you alot of their faith.
Queue the sex attacks on old years day in European cities by gangs of Muslim youth.
"There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path. Whoever disbelieves in Tâghût (anything worshipped other than the Real God (Allâh)) and believes in Allâh, then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And Allâh is All-Hearer, All-Knower."
https://quran.com/2/256
Nice try, but when your clerics and leaders are preaching the violence and your own book condemning non believers, you do realize it reeks of hypocrisy?
You judge a religion by the actions of its followers. When people make excuses, they are enabling the bad behavior.
This goes for Christianity too.
Should we judge your mother by your behavoiur?
Unfortunately, you are mistaking Islaam and Muslims for the idiots like the extreme shia, and isis and other khawarij dogs.
You should learn more:
http://shia.BS/
http://www.islamagainstextremism.com/
There is never condemnation, so yes, judge the religion by its followers
matr1x wrote:Well given to the amount of terrorism, killing of gays, secretarial violence, and other horrors, all followers of the religion are to blame. If you are finding excuses, you are part of the problem.
It's needs to be treated like neo nazism. No place in a civilized society.
Phone Surgeon wrote:if people werent allowed to sing then people who could draw were probably viewed as evil shaytans come to corrupt the hearts and minds of the believers.
no illustrations allowed!
York wrote:bluefete wrote:Matthew 26:
29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.
Did Jesus say here that he stop drinking wine until after the Resurrection in Heaven with his followers? If they really followed him, would they have been required to stop drinking wine too?
I hear about this all the time.I'll ask you what I ask them all.What difference does it make?bluefete wrote:Did Jesus go to India?
Most people do not know that India and Africa are mentioned in the Bible.
Some people say that the mention of India in the Bible is a mis-translation.
HOWEVER, the Jews and Jesus's disciples, in the time of Jesus, were well aware of reincarnation.
abducted wrote:This is a very long thread, has anyone posted proof god exists yet?
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