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Contrary to popular belief,God does not need us to worship him.Thats basically us being the selfish cnuts that we are trying to get the odds stacked in our favour.If you want to thank God for things,that just plain old gratitude.I don't really think God has to bless and highly favour any specific people.Thats all marketing for religion.abducted wrote:timelapse wrote:What if that's what God wants you to think?abducted wrote:God not real, just a made up idea by humans to explain the parts of the universe they don’t understand, we are arguing about peoples imaginary friends,
Is that a god you would want to worship?
timelapse wrote:Contrary to popular belief,God does not need us to worship him.Thats basically us being the selfish cnuts that we are trying to get the odds stacked in our favour.If you want to thank God for things,that just plain old gratitude.I don't really think God has to bless and highly favour any specific people.Thats all marketing for religion.abducted wrote:timelapse wrote:What if that's what God wants you to think?abducted wrote:God not real, just a made up idea by humans to explain the parts of the universe they don’t understand, we are arguing about peoples imaginary friends,
Is that a god you would want to worship?
matr1x wrote:21 years ago today we saw the true face of Islam. Condolences to the mothers and fathers, the sons and daughters, the wives and husbands. We will not stop fighting them.
chief_of_sTAFf wrote:God is a personification or anthropomorphisation of values, ideals, and virtues (like Justice, Goodness, Love), but believers don't realise this.
Also God has been used to explain away anything that is profound and unexplainable. This is why when it comes to two mysteries - the formation of our universe, and the formation of singlecelled life on Earth - that the 'cause' of these things is God. However the main problem with that is God provides no explanatory power. The believers have no 'models' to explain either mystery.
MG Man wrote:god is a comfort blanket for people who can't accept that death is final and your consciousness ceases to exist
timelapse wrote:All this depends on your definition and perception of God.
maj. tom wrote:
maj. tom wrote:These divine or alien interventions have left no proof for the future to discover...
FrankChag wrote:maj. tom wrote:These divine or alien interventions have left no proof for the future to discover...
Hmm...
Expansion of the Universe:
"We built the universe with great might, and We are certainly expanding it."
https://quran.com/51/47
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expansion_of_the_universe
The creation of the early universe:
"Then He rose over (Istawa) towards the heaven when it was smoke, and said to it and to the earth: "Come both of you willingly or unwillingly." They both said: "We come willingly."
https://quran.com/41/11
https://www.science.org/content/article ... d-away-fog "About 300,000 years after the big bang, the universe was like a smoke-filled chamber..."
Orbits of the planets:
"And He it is Who has created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon, each in an orbit floating/swimming."
https://quran.com/21/33
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heliocentrism
Exact stages of the embryo's development (and negation that Adam evolved from an ape):
And indeed We created man (Adam) out of an extract of clay (water and earth). Thereafter We made him (the offspring of Adam) as a Nutfah (mixed drops of the male and female sexual discharge and lodged it) in a safe lodging (womb of the woman). Then We made the Nutfah into a clot (a piece of thick coagulated blood), then We made the clot into a little lump of flesh, then We made out of that little lump of flesh bones, then We clothed the bones with flesh, and then We brought it forth as another creation. So Blessed is Allâh, the Best of creators.
https://quran.com/23/12-14
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3068791/ (Human Embryology)
... and we could go on...
FrankChag wrote:maj. tom wrote:These divine or alien interventions have left no proof for the future to discover...
Hmm...
Expansion of the Universe:
"We built the universe with great might, and We are certainly expanding it."
https://quran.com/51/47
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expansion_of_the_universe
The creation of the early universe:
"Then He rose over (Istawa) towards the heaven when it was smoke, and said to it and to the earth: "Come both of you willingly or unwillingly." They both said: "We come willingly."
https://quran.com/41/11
https://www.science.org/content/article ... d-away-fog "About 300,000 years after the big bang, the universe was like a smoke-filled chamber..."
Orbits of the planets:
"And He it is Who has created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon, each in an orbit floating/swimming."
https://quran.com/21/33
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heliocentrism
Exact stages of the embryo's development (and negation that Adam evolved from an ape):
And indeed We created man (Adam) out of an extract of clay (water and earth). Thereafter We made him (the offspring of Adam) as a Nutfah (mixed drops of the male and female sexual discharge and lodged it) in a safe lodging (womb of the woman). Then We made the Nutfah into a clot (a piece of thick coagulated blood), then We made the clot into a little lump of flesh, then We made out of that little lump of flesh bones, then We clothed the bones with flesh, and then We brought it forth as another creation. So Blessed is Allâh, the Best of creators.
https://quran.com/23/12-14
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3068791/ (Human Embryology)
... and we could go on...
Dohplaydat wrote:
Let's pick and choose as the parts are analgous to real science while ignoring everything else. Makes total sense.
daring dragoon wrote:when you buy a text book in the 80's pluto was a plant and in the 2020's pluto is an exoplanet, same with the koran. it came after the gita and bible and it copy all their content and made flips to some of the life teaching that were in those books such as the hindu text say worship cow the koran say kill the cow, bible say wine is blood of christ and them say wine haram. the koran and muslims are cheap knock off of the real god and real teachings.
FrankChag wrote:Dohplaydat wrote:
Let's pick and choose as the parts are analgous to real science while ignoring everything else. Makes total sense.
Hmm... al-Haytham (d. circa 1040 CE at the age of 75), widely considered as the "first true scientist", was a Muslim polymath (Physics, Math, Astronomy, Anatomy, what we'd call Engineering today, etc). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_al-Haytham This when England was in its Early Medieval period.. decades before the Norman conquest...
But I digress. You were about to say what we are ignoring that doesn't confirm to science...
FrankChag wrote:daring dragoon wrote:when you buy a text book in the 80's pluto was a plant and in the 2020's pluto is an exoplanet, same with the koran. it came after the gita and bible and it copy all their content and made flips to some of the life teaching that were in those books such as the hindu text say worship cow the koran say kill the cow, bible say wine is blood of christ and them say wine haram. the koran and muslims are cheap knock off of the real god and real teachings.
Do they not then consider the Qur’ân carefully?
Had it been from other than Allâh,
they would surely have found therein many a contradiction.
https://quran.com/4/82
matr1x wrote:All religions are often placed for criticism and ridicule, why should Islam be given any special treatment?
Now they feel very comfortable using violence to silence criticism and parody. This seems to be because they realize that western cultures retreat. What should happen is that when a terrorist attack happens, 100 mosques go up in flames. Don't come in and do your nonsense
matr1x wrote:And the foolish idea is don't judge a faith by the actions of its ppl. That's the very litmus test of a faith. How the people behave
daring dragoon wrote:FrankChag wrote:daring dragoon wrote:when you buy a text book in the 80's pluto was a plant and in the 2020's pluto is an exoplanet, same with the koran. it came after the gita and bible and it copy all their content and made flips to some of the life teaching that were in those books such as the hindu text say worship cow the koran say kill the cow, bible say wine is blood of christ and them say wine haram. the koran and muslims are cheap knock off of the real god and real teachings.
Do they not then consider the Qur’ân carefully?
Had it been from other than Allâh,
they would surely have found therein many a contradiction.
https://quran.com/4/82
hoss allah is a name derived from the hindu word allat which in sanskrit means devi and moon goddess which is why muslims have to wait on the moon in ramadan and even ramadan has a hindu god in its name. allah and muslims are just knockoffs of other great religions.
Here are some knowledge of a pre-Islamic Arabic Goddess known as “Allat” excavated in Palmyra, Syria etc. “Allat” in Arabic means “Goddess” (“Devi” in Sanskrit). She is frequently called "the Great Goddess" in Greek in multi-lingual inscriptions. According to pre-Islamic mythology from Arabia she is the consort of “Allah” which in Arabic simply means God and was commonly used even before the advent of Islam. She is even thought to be the mother of two gods: Hubal, the primary deity to whom the shrine of Qaba was dedicated before the advent of Islam, and Wadd, a moon-god to whom snakes were believed to be a sacred symbol. Even though little is known about her because all records related to her have been destroyed, it is very interesting that we find a lion sitting next to her which certainly hints some connection with the Hindu Goddess Parvati who is also referred to as Maha Devi (the Great Goddess) and has the lion as her companion according to Hindu mythology. She is the consort of Shiva Mahadeva (the Great God) and is the mother of two gods: Ganesha and Kartikeya. It must be noted that "alla" in Sanskrit means mothe
Dohplaydat wrote:FrankChag wrote:Dohplaydat wrote:
Let's pick and choose as the parts are analgous to real science while ignoring everything else. Makes total sense.
Hmm... al-Haytham (d. circa 1040 CE at the age of 75), widely considered as the "first true scientist", was a Muslim polymath (Physics, Math, Astronomy, Anatomy, what we'd call Engineering today, etc). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_al-Haytham This when England was in its Early Medieval period.. decades before the Norman conquest...
But I digress. You were about to say what we are ignoring that doesn't confirm to science...
No, I don't get what you are trying to prove? Are you saying Allah is real and gave them this wisdom through some primitive vague descriptions? Or are you saying that Muslims were one of the more advanced empires back then and made some great discoveries? If it's the latter then I would agree.
However, you should know many empires across the world were the most advanced at some point in history. Right now for the last few centuries the west has been infront but we are definitely seeing a global shift to SE Asia....who maybe in 50 years or so would be substantially ahead of the west (or maybe in a fully globalised world, everyone wins to an extent).
FrankChag wrote:[size=114]The Creation itself is sufficient a proof for any thinking person...
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This here is a prime example of where God stops and religion starts.daring dragoon wrote:FrankChag wrote:daring dragoon wrote:when you buy a text book in the 80's pluto was a plant and in the 2020's pluto is an exoplanet, same with the koran. it came after the gita and bible and it copy all their content and made flips to some of the life teaching that were in those books such as the hindu text say worship cow the koran say kill the cow, bible say wine is blood of christ and them say wine haram. the koran and muslims are cheap knock off of the real god and real teachings.
Do they not then consider the Qur’ân carefully?
Had it been from other than Allâh,
they would surely have found therein many a contradiction.
https://quran.com/4/82
hoss allah is a name derived from the hindu word allat which in sanskrit means devi and moon goddess which is why muslims have to wait on the moon in ramadan and even ramadan has a hindu god in its name. allah and muslims are just knockoffs of other great religions.
Here are some knowledge of a pre-Islamic Arabic Goddess known as “Allat” excavated in Palmyra, Syria etc. “Allat” in Arabic means “Goddess” (“Devi” in Sanskrit). She is frequently called "the Great Goddess" in Greek in multi-lingual inscriptions. According to pre-Islamic mythology from Arabia she is the consort of “Allah” which in Arabic simply means God and was commonly used even before the advent of Islam. She is even thought to be the mother of two gods: Hubal, the primary deity to whom the shrine of Qaba was dedicated before the advent of Islam, and Wadd, a moon-god to whom snakes were believed to be a sacred symbol. Even though little is known about her because all records related to her have been destroyed, it is very interesting that we find a lion sitting next to her which certainly hints some connection with the Hindu Goddess Parvati who is also referred to as Maha Devi (the Great Goddess) and has the lion as her companion according to Hindu mythology. She is the consort of Shiva Mahadeva (the Great God) and is the mother of two gods: Ganesha and Kartikeya. It must be noted that "alla" in Sanskrit means mothe
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