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ruffneck_12 wrote:matr1x wrote:Read astrophysics for people in a hurry. That's the right there.
What kind of barbaric religion bans people from eating pork, demands silly fasting periods, women must look like a covered ghost? Most god based faith that requires attendance is even more baffling
-Pork is disgostan (a proper christmas ham excluded).
-fasting is beneficial and a good test of your resiliance and willpower.
-women rack disiprin and need to be kept in line or else they will turn into the typical Miami club girl.
-how else u expect people to learn the subject if they don't attend the classes?
Meen care what u believe in, but u hadda admit that religion generally keeps people in line..... There isnt a widespread drag queen story hour epidemic in Mecca btw, wonder why.
maj. tom wrote:There are 798 pages explaining Russell's Teapot about 600 times. I'm not going over this like so many times before simply because someone wants to argue "well we don't know" and ignore everything written a few weeks/months later and then repeat it all again.
A person's religious belief and faith are the foundations of their psyche. It's very difficult to get someone else to topple it and these challenges are always themselves trying to reinforce and secure those foundations of cognitive dissonance.
Just to be clear, in this thread whoever is reading it, nobody has a problem with your faith and the definition of that very word ends all arguments. Nor am I myself one who is not entangled in cognitive dissonance.
You don't practice any of those things and are still awful, what's your point?matr1x wrote:ruffneck_12 wrote:matr1x wrote:Read astrophysics for people in a hurry. That's the right there.
What kind of barbaric religion bans people from eating pork, demands silly fasting periods, women must look like a covered ghost? Most god based faith that requires attendance is even more baffling
-Pork is disgostan (a proper christmas ham excluded).
-fasting is beneficial and a good test of your resiliance and willpower.
-women rack disiprin and need to be kept in line or else they will turn into the typical Miami club girl.
-how else u expect people to learn the subject if they don't attend the classes?
Meen care what u believe in, but u hadda admit that religion generally keeps people in line..... There isnt a widespread drag queen story hour epidemic in Mecca btw, wonder why.
Except in the middle east, it's mostly hypocrisy. In wealthy oil states, as cam girls who fly over from the west what they do.
It's not just Muslims. Christians and hindus who fast and still have stink behavior.
The middle east still practices slavery, so what moral footing they have.
Ruffneck, are you having a stroke? Your words are garbled
timelapse wrote:You don't practice any of those things and are still awful, what's your point?matr1x wrote:ruffneck_12 wrote:matr1x wrote:Read astrophysics for people in a hurry. That's the right there.
What kind of barbaric religion bans people from eating pork, demands silly fasting periods, women must look like a covered ghost? Most god based faith that requires attendance is even more baffling
-Pork is disgostan (a proper christmas ham excluded).
-fasting is beneficial and a good test of your resiliance and willpower.
-women rack disiprin and need to be kept in line or else they will turn into the typical Miami club girl.
-how else u expect people to learn the subject if they don't attend the classes?
Meen care what u believe in, but u hadda admit that religion generally keeps people in line..... There isnt a widespread drag queen story hour epidemic in Mecca btw, wonder why.
Except in the middle east, it's mostly hypocrisy. In wealthy oil states, as cam girls who fly over from the west what they do.
It's not just Muslims. Christians and hindus who fast and still have stink behavior.
The middle east still practices slavery, so what moral footing they have.
Ruffneck, are you having a stroke? Your words are garbled
bluefete wrote:FrankChag wrote:Regarding death,
1. Every person will taste death https://quran.com/21/35
2. Rasulullah salallahu alayhi was sallam reportedly said: “When the soul is seized and leaves the body, the sight follows it.’ https://sunnah.com/bulugh:538
3, Regarding the differences between how the Angel of Death (Malikul Mawt) gently removes the soul of the Muslim vs. how the soul is violently and painfully removed from the disbeliever, and other related matters, see these series of articles: https://abdurrahman.org/category/islam/death/
WalAllahul Musta'aan.
Yuh mean only believers in Allah will die a "good" death (whatever that is)?
And everybody else is doomed to a violent death?
Really?
Walk through Sealots with a gold chain and a UNC jersey on about 2 AM.You will get to heaven very quickly.ruffneck_12 wrote:How do I travel to heaven
Do I take the gold band or the silver band maxi
timelapse wrote:Walk through Sealots with a gold chain and a UNC jersey on about 2 AM.You will get to heaven very quickly.ruffneck_12 wrote:How do I travel to heaven
Do I take the gold band or the silver band maxi
bluefete wrote:So a non-believer (in Allah?) can do all the good in this life but will NEVER enter heaven.
What about someone who believes in a Creator but does not call him Allah but God - will that person enter heaven?
FrankChag wrote:bluefete wrote:So a non-believer (in Allah?) can do all the good in this life but will NEVER enter heaven.
What about someone who believes in a Creator but does not call him Allah but God - will that person enter heaven?
Not only never, but the torment is eternal and worsens eternally. And they will see their palace in the Paradise that they would have gotten, had they believed. And worst, God will never entertain their pleas for pause or mercy. That is what a person chooses when they choose disbelief or they belie the Creator and Sustainer of this awesome, perfectly ordered creation.
As for the one who loves to Worship God the Most High ALONE, acknowledging that there is nothing worthy of worship except Him, without any children or parents or partners (ie, true monotheism), then if this is what is settled in a person's heart, then that person should ask Him (sincerely) for forgiveness, and guidance.
And argue not with the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians),
unless it be in (a way) that is better (i.e., with good words and in good manner,
inviting them to Islâmic Monotheism with His Verses),
except with such of them as do wrong; and say (to them):
"We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you;
our Ilâh (God) and your Ilâh (God) is One (i.e. Allâh),
and to Him we have submitted (as Muslims)."
https://quran.com/29/46?translations=203
Say (O Muslims), "We believe in Allâh and that which has been sent down to us
and that which has been sent down to Ibrâhîm (Abraham), Ismâ‘îl (Ishmael),
Ishâq (Isaac), Ya‘qûb (Jacob), and to Al-Asbât [the offspring of the twelve sons of Ya‘qûb (Jacob)],
and that which has been given to Mûsâ (Moses) and ‘Îsâ (Jesus),
and that which has been given to the Prophets from their Lord.
We make no distinction between any of them,
and to Him we have submitted (in Islâm).
https://quran.com/2/136?translations=203
bluefete wrote:FrankChag wrote:bluefete wrote:So a non-believer (in Allah?) can do all the good in this life but will NEVER enter heaven.
What about someone who believes in a Creator but does not call him Allah but God - will that person enter heaven?
Not only never, but the torment is eternal and worsens eternally. And they will see their palace in the Paradise that they would have gotten, had they believed. And worst, God will never entertain their pleas for pause or mercy. That is what a person chooses when they choose disbelief or they belie the Creator and Sustainer of this awesome, perfectly ordered creation.
As for the one who loves to Worship God the Most High ALONE, acknowledging that there is nothing worthy of worship except Him, without any children or parents or partners (ie, true monotheism), then if this is what is settled in a person's heart, then that person should ask Him (sincerely) for forgiveness, and guidance.
And argue not with the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians),
unless it be in (a way) that is better (i.e., with good words and in good manner,
inviting them to Islâmic Monotheism with His Verses),
except with such of them as do wrong; and say (to them):
"We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you;
our Ilâh (God) and your Ilâh (God) is One (i.e. Allâh),
and to Him we have submitted (as Muslims)."
https://quran.com/29/46?translations=203
Say (O Muslims), "We believe in Allâh and that which has been sent down to us
and that which has been sent down to Ibrâhîm (Abraham), Ismâ‘îl (Ishmael),
Ishâq (Isaac), Ya‘qûb (Jacob), and to Al-Asbât [the offspring of the twelve sons of Ya‘qûb (Jacob)],
and that which has been given to Mûsâ (Moses) and ‘Îsâ (Jesus),
and that which has been given to the Prophets from their Lord.
We make no distinction between any of them,
and to Him we have submitted (in Islâm).
https://quran.com/2/136?translations=203
You have just condemned to hell, billions of people who have never heard of Allah.
The Islamic religion started with the Prophet Muhammad, not so?
So, all the people who lived before Muhammad - Will they rot in hell?
What about the people in India (Hindus); Native Americans, Africa, South Pacific who have never heard of Allah?
Fire for them as well?
This sounds very much like what Christians tell people of other religions.
There are millions of people who were born, lived and died and never heard of Jesus. Some Christians say those people can never enter heaven. Is that fair to them?
On the other hand, the 2nd 1/2 of your answer is most illuminating.
FrankChag wrote:bluefete wrote:FrankChag wrote:bluefete wrote:So a non-believer (in Allah?) can do all the good in this life but will NEVER enter heaven.
What about someone who believes in a Creator but does not call him Allah but God - will that person enter heaven?
Not only never, but the torment is eternal and worsens eternally. And they will see their palace in the Paradise that they would have gotten, had they believed. And worst, God will never entertain their pleas for pause or mercy. That is what a person chooses when they choose disbelief or they belie the Creator and Sustainer of this awesome, perfectly ordered creation.
As for the one who loves to Worship God the Most High ALONE, acknowledging that there is nothing worthy of worship except Him, without any children or parents or partners (ie, true monotheism), then if this is what is settled in a person's heart, then that person should ask Him (sincerely) for forgiveness, and guidance.
And argue not with the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians),
unless it be in (a way) that is better (i.e., with good words and in good manner,
inviting them to Islâmic Monotheism with His Verses),
except with such of them as do wrong; and say (to them):
"We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you;
our Ilâh (God) and your Ilâh (God) is One (i.e. Allâh),
and to Him we have submitted (as Muslims)."
https://quran.com/29/46?translations=203
Say (O Muslims), "We believe in Allâh and that which has been sent down to us
and that which has been sent down to Ibrâhîm (Abraham), Ismâ‘îl (Ishmael),
Ishâq (Isaac), Ya‘qûb (Jacob), and to Al-Asbât [the offspring of the twelve sons of Ya‘qûb (Jacob)],
and that which has been given to Mûsâ (Moses) and ‘Îsâ (Jesus),
and that which has been given to the Prophets from their Lord.
We make no distinction between any of them,
and to Him we have submitted (in Islâm).
https://quran.com/2/136?translations=203
You have just condemned to hell, billions of people who have never heard of Allah.
The Islamic religion started with the Prophet Muhammad, not so?
So, all the people who lived before Muhammad - Will they rot in hell?
What about the people in India (Hindus); Native Americans, Africa, South Pacific who have never heard of Allah?
Fire for them as well?
This sounds very much like what Christians tell people of other religions.
There are millions of people who were born, lived and died and never heard of Jesus. Some Christians say those people can never enter heaven. Is that fair to them?
On the other hand, the 2nd 1/2 of your answer is most illuminating.
This is an understandable doubt, but certainly Allaah is the Best of Judges (https://quran.com/7/87). Firstly, Islaam means submission to God's Lordship and submission by worshiping Him Alone, so the general meaning of Islaam is the call to monotheism brought by each Prophet or Messenger that Allaah sent whenever a people deviated. This matter of people deviating from monotheism did not start with at the time of Muhammad ﷺ, but at the time of Noah when the people began worshiping statues of their pious ancestors. So Allaah sent Noah to his people to call them back to the monotheism established by Adam (upon whom be peace). So starting with Adam, to Noah (Nuh), to Abraham (Ibrahim), to David (Dawud), Solomon (Sulaymaan), Moses (Musa), to Isa (Jesus) to Muhammad, upon them all be Peace, these were all Prophets of Allah. There are some whose names we know, and many we don't, but we "make no distinction between any of them" (see above, https://quran.com/2/136?translations=203), because they all brought same message: "Worship the one true God, Alone". The true followers of all these Prophets were Muslims. Islaam in the specific sense is the final religion given to the final Messenger of Allaah to be sent, Muhammad ﷺ. So other Muslims who believed in Allaah and followed their Prophets will enter the Jannah (Paradise) just as the Muslims of today.
For example:
Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Every Prophet was given miracles because of which people believed, but what I have been given, is Divine Inspiration which Allah has revealed to me. So I hope that my followers will outnumber the followers of the other Prophets on the Day of Resurrection." https://sunnah.com/bukhari:4981
Regard those who were between Prophets, and/or someone who as never heard of Islaam, due to their geography, time, or they were senile or deaf, etc, then they will be raised up on the Day of Judgement and tested.
"Four will have proofs (in their favor) on the Day of Standing: (1) A deaf man who could not hear anything; (2) a fool (who could not understand anything); (3) a feebly old man; and (4) a man who died in the fatrah (the period between prophets). As for the deaf man, then he will say: 'My Lord, Islaam came and I did not hear anything.' And as for the fool, then he will say, 'My Lord, Islaam came and the children were throwing dung at me.' And as for the feebly old man, then he will say, 'My Lord, Islaam came and I did not understand anything.' And as for the one who died in the fatrah (period between prophets), then he will say, 'My Lord, no messenger from you came to me.' So He (Allaah) will take oaths from them that they will obey Him (in what He is about to request from them), so it (an order) will be sent to them: 'Enter the Fire!' And verily by Him in whose Hand is my soul, if they entered it, it will be cool and soothing."
Imaam Ahmad in his Musnad (16301); authenticated by Al-Albaanee in Silsilatul-Ahaadeethis-Saheehah (1424). http://www.salafitalk.net/st/viewmessag ... Topic=4188
Those that disobeyed will be punished. And Allaah knows best.
See also https://abdurrahman.org/2020/01/16/defi ... -of-islam/
matr1x wrote:FrankChag wrote:bluefete wrote:FrankChag wrote:bluefete wrote:So a non-believer (in Allah?) can do all the good in this life but will NEVER enter heaven.
What about someone who believes in a Creator but does not call him Allah but God - will that person enter heaven?
Not only never, but the torment is eternal and worsens eternally. And they will see their palace in the Paradise that they would have gotten, had they believed. And worst, God will never entertain their pleas for pause or mercy. That is what a person chooses when they choose disbelief or they belie the Creator and Sustainer of this awesome, perfectly ordered creation.
As for the one who loves to Worship God the Most High ALONE, acknowledging that there is nothing worthy of worship except Him, without any children or parents or partners (ie, true monotheism), then if this is what is settled in a person's heart, then that person should ask Him (sincerely) for forgiveness, and guidance.
And argue not with the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians),
unless it be in (a way) that is better (i.e., with good words and in good manner,
inviting them to Islâmic Monotheism with His Verses),
except with such of them as do wrong; and say (to them):
"We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you;
our Ilâh (God) and your Ilâh (God) is One (i.e. Allâh),
and to Him we have submitted (as Muslims)."
https://quran.com/29/46?translations=203
Say (O Muslims), "We believe in Allâh and that which has been sent down to us
and that which has been sent down to Ibrâhîm (Abraham), Ismâ‘îl (Ishmael),
Ishâq (Isaac), Ya‘qûb (Jacob), and to Al-Asbât [the offspring of the twelve sons of Ya‘qûb (Jacob)],
and that which has been given to Mûsâ (Moses) and ‘Îsâ (Jesus),
and that which has been given to the Prophets from their Lord.
We make no distinction between any of them,
and to Him we have submitted (in Islâm).
https://quran.com/2/136?translations=203
You have just condemned to hell, billions of people who have never heard of Allah.
The Islamic religion started with the Prophet Muhammad, not so?
So, all the people who lived before Muhammad - Will they rot in hell?
What about the people in India (Hindus); Native Americans, Africa, South Pacific who have never heard of Allah?
Fire for them as well?
This sounds very much like what Christians tell people of other religions.
There are millions of people who were born, lived and died and never heard of Jesus. Some Christians say those people can never enter heaven. Is that fair to them?
On the other hand, the 2nd 1/2 of your answer is most illuminating.
This is an understandable doubt, but certainly Allaah is the Best of Judges (https://quran.com/7/87). Firstly, Islaam means submission to God's Lordship and submission by worshiping Him Alone, so the general meaning of Islaam is the call to monotheism brought by each Prophet or Messenger that Allaah sent whenever a people deviated. This matter of people deviating from monotheism did not start with at the time of Muhammad ﷺ, but at the time of Noah when the people began worshiping statues of their pious ancestors. So Allaah sent Noah to his people to call them back to the monotheism established by Adam (upon whom be peace). So starting with Adam, to Noah (Nuh), to Abraham (Ibrahim), to David (Dawud), Solomon (Sulaymaan), Moses (Musa), to Isa (Jesus) to Muhammad, upon them all be Peace, these were all Prophets of Allah. There are some whose names we know, and many we don't, but we "make no distinction between any of them" (see above, https://quran.com/2/136?translations=203), because they all brought same message: "Worship the one true God, Alone". The true followers of all these Prophets were Muslims. Islaam in the specific sense is the final religion given to the final Messenger of Allaah to be sent, Muhammad ﷺ. So other Muslims who believed in Allaah and followed their Prophets will enter the Jannah (Paradise) just as the Muslims of today.
For example:
Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Every Prophet was given miracles because of which people believed, but what I have been given, is Divine Inspiration which Allah has revealed to me. So I hope that my followers will outnumber the followers of the other Prophets on the Day of Resurrection." https://sunnah.com/bukhari:4981
Regard those who were between Prophets, and/or someone who as never heard of Islaam, due to their geography, time, or they were senile or deaf, etc, then they will be raised up on the Day of Judgement and tested.
"Four will have proofs (in their favor) on the Day of Standing: (1) A deaf man who could not hear anything; (2) a fool (who could not understand anything); (3) a feebly old man; and (4) a man who died in the fatrah (the period between prophets). As for the deaf man, then he will say: 'My Lord, Islaam came and I did not hear anything.' And as for the fool, then he will say, 'My Lord, Islaam came and the children were throwing dung at me.' And as for the feebly old man, then he will say, 'My Lord, Islaam came and I did not understand anything.' And as for the one who died in the fatrah (period between prophets), then he will say, 'My Lord, no messenger from you came to me.' So He (Allaah) will take oaths from them that they will obey Him (in what He is about to request from them), so it (an order) will be sent to them: 'Enter the Fire!' And verily by Him in whose Hand is my soul, if they entered it, it will be cool and soothing."
Imaam Ahmad in his Musnad (16301); authenticated by Al-Albaanee in Silsilatul-Ahaadeethis-Saheehah (1424). http://www.salafitalk.net/st/viewmessag ... Topic=4188
Those that disobeyed will be punished. And Allaah knows best.
See also https://abdurrahman.org/2020/01/16/defi ... -of-islam/
What kinda of rubbish you posting? That's some nazi 3rd Reich nonsense
FrankChag wrote:matr1x wrote:FrankChag wrote:bluefete wrote:FrankChag wrote:bluefete wrote:So a non-believer (in Allah?) can do all the good in this life but will NEVER enter heaven.
What about someone who believes in a Creator but does not call him Allah but God - will that person enter heaven?
Not only never, but the torment is eternal and worsens eternally. And they will see their palace in the Paradise that they would have gotten, had they believed. And worst, God will never entertain their pleas for pause or mercy. That is what a person chooses when they choose disbelief or they belie the Creator and Sustainer of this awesome, perfectly ordered creation.
As for the one who loves to Worship God the Most High ALONE, acknowledging that there is nothing worthy of worship except Him, without any children or parents or partners (ie, true monotheism), then if this is what is settled in a person's heart, then that person should ask Him (sincerely) for forgiveness, and guidance.
And argue not with the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians),
unless it be in (a way) that is better (i.e., with good words and in good manner,
inviting them to Islâmic Monotheism with His Verses),
except with such of them as do wrong; and say (to them):
"We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you;
our Ilâh (God) and your Ilâh (God) is One (i.e. Allâh),
and to Him we have submitted (as Muslims)."
https://quran.com/29/46?translations=203
Say (O Muslims), "We believe in Allâh and that which has been sent down to us
and that which has been sent down to Ibrâhîm (Abraham), Ismâ‘îl (Ishmael),
Ishâq (Isaac), Ya‘qûb (Jacob), and to Al-Asbât [the offspring of the twelve sons of Ya‘qûb (Jacob)],
and that which has been given to Mûsâ (Moses) and ‘Îsâ (Jesus),
and that which has been given to the Prophets from their Lord.
We make no distinction between any of them,
and to Him we have submitted (in Islâm).
https://quran.com/2/136?translations=203
You have just condemned to hell, billions of people who have never heard of Allah.
The Islamic religion started with the Prophet Muhammad, not so?
So, all the people who lived before Muhammad - Will they rot in hell?
What about the people in India (Hindus); Native Americans, Africa, South Pacific who have never heard of Allah?
Fire for them as well?
This sounds very much like what Christians tell people of other religions.
There are millions of people who were born, lived and died and never heard of Jesus. Some Christians say those people can never enter heaven. Is that fair to them?
On the other hand, the 2nd 1/2 of your answer is most illuminating.
This is an understandable doubt, but certainly Allaah is the Best of Judges (https://quran.com/7/87). Firstly, Islaam means submission to God's Lordship and submission by worshiping Him Alone, so the general meaning of Islaam is the call to monotheism brought by each Prophet or Messenger that Allaah sent whenever a people deviated. This matter of people deviating from monotheism did not start with at the time of Muhammad ﷺ, but at the time of Noah when the people began worshiping statues of their pious ancestors. So Allaah sent Noah to his people to call them back to the monotheism established by Adam (upon whom be peace). So starting with Adam, to Noah (Nuh), to Abraham (Ibrahim), to David (Dawud), Solomon (Sulaymaan), Moses (Musa), to Isa (Jesus) to Muhammad, upon them all be Peace, these were all Prophets of Allah. There are some whose names we know, and many we don't, but we "make no distinction between any of them" (see above, https://quran.com/2/136?translations=203), because they all brought same message: "Worship the one true God, Alone". The true followers of all these Prophets were Muslims. Islaam in the specific sense is the final religion given to the final Messenger of Allaah to be sent, Muhammad ﷺ. So other Muslims who believed in Allaah and followed their Prophets will enter the Jannah (Paradise) just as the Muslims of today.
For example:
Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Every Prophet was given miracles because of which people believed, but what I have been given, is Divine Inspiration which Allah has revealed to me. So I hope that my followers will outnumber the followers of the other Prophets on the Day of Resurrection." https://sunnah.com/bukhari:4981
Regard those who were between Prophets, and/or someone who as never heard of Islaam, due to their geography, time, or they were senile or deaf, etc, then they will be raised up on the Day of Judgement and tested.
"Four will have proofs (in their favor) on the Day of Standing: (1) A deaf man who could not hear anything; (2) a fool (who could not understand anything); (3) a feebly old man; and (4) a man who died in the fatrah (the period between prophets). As for the deaf man, then he will say: 'My Lord, Islaam came and I did not hear anything.' And as for the fool, then he will say, 'My Lord, Islaam came and the children were throwing dung at me.' And as for the feebly old man, then he will say, 'My Lord, Islaam came and I did not understand anything.' And as for the one who died in the fatrah (period between prophets), then he will say, 'My Lord, no messenger from you came to me.' So He (Allaah) will take oaths from them that they will obey Him (in what He is about to request from them), so it (an order) will be sent to them: 'Enter the Fire!' And verily by Him in whose Hand is my soul, if they entered it, it will be cool and soothing."
Imaam Ahmad in his Musnad (16301); authenticated by Al-Albaanee in Silsilatul-Ahaadeethis-Saheehah (1424). http://www.salafitalk.net/st/viewmessag ... Topic=4188
Those that disobeyed will be punished. And Allaah knows best.
See also https://abdurrahman.org/2020/01/16/defi ... -of-islam/
What kinda of rubbish you posting? That's some nazi 3rd Reich nonsense
"...And as for the fool, then he will say,
'My Lord, Islaam came and the children were throwing dung at me...'"
The merciful thing to do is to throw dung at you...
maybe you'll have an excuse with your Lord on the Day of Judgement.
timelapse wrote:Walk through Sealots with a gold chain and a UNC jersey on about 2 AM.You will get to heaven very quickly.ruffneck_12 wrote:How do I travel to heaven
Do I take the gold band or the silver band maxi
matr1x wrote:FrankChag wrote:matr1x wrote:FrankChag wrote:bluefete wrote:FrankChag wrote:bluefete wrote:So a non-believer (in Allah?) can do all the good in this life but will NEVER enter heaven.
What about someone who believes in a Creator but does not call him Allah but God - will that person enter heaven?
Not only never, but the torment is eternal and worsens eternally. And they will see their palace in the Paradise that they would have gotten, had they believed. And worst, God will never entertain their pleas for pause or mercy. That is what a person chooses when they choose disbelief or they belie the Creator and Sustainer of this awesome, perfectly ordered creation.
As for the one who loves to Worship God the Most High ALONE, acknowledging that there is nothing worthy of worship except Him, without any children or parents or partners (ie, true monotheism), then if this is what is settled in a person's heart, then that person should ask Him (sincerely) for forgiveness, and guidance.
And argue not with the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians),
unless it be in (a way) that is better (i.e., with good words and in good manner,
inviting them to Islâmic Monotheism with His Verses),
except with such of them as do wrong; and say (to them):
"We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you;
our Ilâh (God) and your Ilâh (God) is One (i.e. Allâh),
and to Him we have submitted (as Muslims)."
https://quran.com/29/46?translations=203
Say (O Muslims), "We believe in Allâh and that which has been sent down to us
and that which has been sent down to Ibrâhîm (Abraham), Ismâ‘îl (Ishmael),
Ishâq (Isaac), Ya‘qûb (Jacob), and to Al-Asbât [the offspring of the twelve sons of Ya‘qûb (Jacob)],
and that which has been given to Mûsâ (Moses) and ‘Îsâ (Jesus),
and that which has been given to the Prophets from their Lord.
We make no distinction between any of them,
and to Him we have submitted (in Islâm).
https://quran.com/2/136?translations=203
You have just condemned to hell, billions of people who have never heard of Allah.
The Islamic religion started with the Prophet Muhammad, not so?
So, all the people who lived before Muhammad - Will they rot in hell?
What about the people in India (Hindus); Native Americans, Africa, South Pacific who have never heard of Allah?
Fire for them as well?
This sounds very much like what Christians tell people of other religions.
There are millions of people who were born, lived and died and never heard of Jesus. Some Christians say those people can never enter heaven. Is that fair to them?
On the other hand, the 2nd 1/2 of your answer is most illuminating.
This is an understandable doubt, but certainly Allaah is the Best of Judges (https://quran.com/7/87). Firstly, Islaam means submission to God's Lordship and submission by worshiping Him Alone, so the general meaning of Islaam is the call to monotheism brought by each Prophet or Messenger that Allaah sent whenever a people deviated. This matter of people deviating from monotheism did not start with at the time of Muhammad ﷺ, but at the time of Noah when the people began worshiping statues of their pious ancestors. So Allaah sent Noah to his people to call them back to the monotheism established by Adam (upon whom be peace). So starting with Adam, to Noah (Nuh), to Abraham (Ibrahim), to David (Dawud), Solomon (Sulaymaan), Moses (Musa), to Isa (Jesus) to Muhammad, upon them all be Peace, these were all Prophets of Allah. There are some whose names we know, and many we don't, but we "make no distinction between any of them" (see above, https://quran.com/2/136?translations=203), because they all brought same message: "Worship the one true God, Alone". The true followers of all these Prophets were Muslims. Islaam in the specific sense is the final religion given to the final Messenger of Allaah to be sent, Muhammad ﷺ. So other Muslims who believed in Allaah and followed their Prophets will enter the Jannah (Paradise) just as the Muslims of today.
For example:
Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Every Prophet was given miracles because of which people believed, but what I have been given, is Divine Inspiration which Allah has revealed to me. So I hope that my followers will outnumber the followers of the other Prophets on the Day of Resurrection." https://sunnah.com/bukhari:4981
Regard those who were between Prophets, and/or someone who as never heard of Islaam, due to their geography, time, or they were senile or deaf, etc, then they will be raised up on the Day of Judgement and tested.
"Four will have proofs (in their favor) on the Day of Standing: (1) A deaf man who could not hear anything; (2) a fool (who could not understand anything); (3) a feebly old man; and (4) a man who died in the fatrah (the period between prophets). As for the deaf man, then he will say: 'My Lord, Islaam came and I did not hear anything.' And as for the fool, then he will say, 'My Lord, Islaam came and the children were throwing dung at me.' And as for the feebly old man, then he will say, 'My Lord, Islaam came and I did not understand anything.' And as for the one who died in the fatrah (period between prophets), then he will say, 'My Lord, no messenger from you came to me.' So He (Allaah) will take oaths from them that they will obey Him (in what He is about to request from them), so it (an order) will be sent to them: 'Enter the Fire!' And verily by Him in whose Hand is my soul, if they entered it, it will be cool and soothing."
Imaam Ahmad in his Musnad (16301); authenticated by Al-Albaanee in Silsilatul-Ahaadeethis-Saheehah (1424). http://www.salafitalk.net/st/viewmessag ... Topic=4188
Those that disobeyed will be punished. And Allaah knows best.
See also https://abdurrahman.org/2020/01/16/defi ... -of-islam/
What kinda of rubbish you posting? That's some nazi 3rd Reich nonsense
"...And as for the fool, then he will say,
'My Lord, Islaam came and the children were throwing dung at me...'"
The merciful thing to do is to throw dung at you...
maybe you'll have an excuse with your Lord on the Day of Judgement.
You are proof that the Koran is just copy-paste from better religious texts
To the east of the walkover is the road that comes out by the warehouses.Theres a parlour there. Stand obliquely opposite the parlour.ruffneck_12 wrote:timelapse wrote:Walk through Sealots with a gold chain and a UNC jersey on about 2 AM.You will get to heaven very quickly.ruffneck_12 wrote:How do I travel to heaven
Do I take the gold band or the silver band maxi
Do i walk down through Bhagwansings side or by the Walkover side or after the walkover side
What about the Torah bhai?death365 wrote:In the history of the human race
Of all the inspirations for the separation of man from his true tribal culture
Of all the inspirations for the acts of violence from one man onto another
From one nation onto another, from one oppressor onto the oppressed
There is no more guilty party and inspiration than those books known
As the Holy Bible, the Koran, and the Bagavad Gita to spread separation of mankind
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truer words have NEVER BEEN SPOKEN IN LIFE
Pakistan blocks Wikipedia for 'blasphemous content'
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-64523501
Wikipedia has been blocked in Pakistan for hosting "blasphemous content".
The move was announced on Saturday after the free online encyclopaedia was given a 48-hour deadline to remove some material.
The Pakistan Telecommunication Authority (PTA) said Wikipedia failed to comply with its ultimatum.
The Wikimedia Foundation, which hosts Wikipedia, said the ban meant Pakistanis would be denied access "to the largest free knowledge repository."
Blasphemy is a highly sensitive and incendiary issue in Pakistan.
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