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Smelter Judgment

Postby bluefete » June 16th, 2009, 6:05 pm

So Justice Mira Dean-Armorer stopped the Alutrint smelter construction, today, because the government lied to people.

Anyone up to date with this?

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Postby Gem_in_i » June 16th, 2009, 6:10 pm

In her 1.5hr judgement, she denied the CEC for the smelter.

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Postby DirectPortNitrous » June 16th, 2009, 6:14 pm

lol hope she has a good retirement fund.....ema does so much shyt with these CEC.....

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Postby Wolfie » June 16th, 2009, 6:15 pm

There may be hope after all? :shock:

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Postby Damien » June 16th, 2009, 6:16 pm

they goin and kill she mc alot of the equipment for the smelter already here :|

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Postby bluefete » June 16th, 2009, 6:16 pm

Thanks. Will read the details in the papers but I do not get the feeling the many people care.

BUT, they certainly will when/if the smelter is built and instead of 4,000 people getting tested for cancer, 1.3 million people will have to get tested for cancer.

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Postby Notorious Scullman » June 16th, 2009, 6:18 pm

If yuh see people packed into that courtroom. Like Sardines!

Good to see that the people still have a voice, unlike what many would like to think.

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Postby Damien » June 16th, 2009, 6:21 pm

The whole country should come together for this one this is some serious sheit

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Postby bluefete » June 16th, 2009, 6:23 pm

Contracts could be done signed and sealed but the people never wanted a smelter. We must understand that it is the government that is supposed to be working for us and NOT vice versa.

It is more than time that we the people force the government to listen to US.

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Postby buzz » June 16th, 2009, 6:24 pm

2ha

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Postby Damien » June 16th, 2009, 6:26 pm

I say let they build it and let the la brea people make some money it will be easier to bomb it when it completed anyways, and then they could build ah drag strip :mrgreen:

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Postby bluefete » June 16th, 2009, 6:26 pm

Pio, you are on to something there. Actually, if the government goes ahead with this monstrosity of a smelter, it will lead to the downfall of pompous Patrick and his administration.

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Postby pugboy » June 16th, 2009, 6:29 pm

that judge will be transferred to tobago next court term

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Postby Damien » June 16th, 2009, 6:31 pm

bluefete wrote:Pio, you are on to something there. Actually, if the government goes ahead with this monstrosity of a smelter, it will lead to the downfall of pompous Patrick and his administration.


they will fall and get back up before any other administration could get they act together :arrow:

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Postby buzz » June 16th, 2009, 6:32 pm

.or dustbin bombs return....




MR BIG?????


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Postby bluefete » June 16th, 2009, 6:33 pm

Most unfortunately!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Postby bluefete » June 16th, 2009, 6:34 pm

"Wag The Dog"

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Postby buzz » June 16th, 2009, 6:39 pm

bluefete wrote:"Wag The Dog"


:lol:

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Postby bushwakka » June 16th, 2009, 6:58 pm

bluefete wrote:Pio, you are on to something there. Actually, if the government goes ahead with this monstrosity of a smelter, it will lead to the downfall of pompous Patrick and his administration.


lol...if only that were true eh....sometimes i think the only way for ppl to gettup an do something abt governance is if they ban carnival or rum

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Postby VexXx Dogg » June 16th, 2009, 7:22 pm

JUDGEMENT
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Postby monkeypeaches » June 16th, 2009, 7:41 pm

i think this is great news for the people of Trinidad esp La Brea...

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Postby kiamotors » June 16th, 2009, 7:42 pm

this country in a mess...

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Postby bluefete » June 16th, 2009, 8:07 pm

Crunt Rod In Hill said on the news tonight that the govvament will build the smelter because it is in the best interest of the people of Trinidad & Tobago.

Who de hell is this man and Pompous Patrick to bring death and destruction to T&T and say that it is in our best interest?

T&T has all kinds of industries in Pt. Lisas & elsewhere- Ammonia, Urea, Methanol, Polypropylene and so on. I do not remember anyone so vociferously against these industries as people are against the smelter.

Still don't understand the dangers? Read This.

ALUMINIUM PRODUCTION 89
6Deichmann, W.B., MacDonald, W.E. & Lu, F.C. (1979) Effects of chronic aldrinfeeding in two strains of female rats and a discussion on the risks of carcinogens in man. ln: Deichmann, W.B.,ed., Toxicology and Occupational Medicine, New York, Eisevier/North-Holland, pp. 407-413
7lARC Monographs, Suppl. 6, 57-59, 1987

ALUMINIUM PRODUCTION (Group 1)

A. Evidence for carcinogenicity to humans (suffcient)

The lung has been the most common site identified for which there is an excess cancer risk in populations of aluminium production workers. Overall, early studies showed a borderline excess in relative risk, with some studies showing a doubling of risk and some showing no excess.

Smoking histories were not given in any of these studies. ln one study in
which populations in the industry were compared on the basis of their exposures to pitch volatiles, there was a relationship between incidence of lung cancer and length of exposure, and there was a significant excess of cancer among workers who had worked for 21 years or
more'.

ln three studies in the same aluminium-producing area, an increased risk of bladder cancer was associated with work in aluminium production in plants where primarily the Söderberg process was used. ln one study in which smoking was controlled for, while there was a borderline excess in risk for nonsmokers, the risk for smokers was markedly increased'.

Excess mortality from lymphosarcoma / reticulosarcoma was noted in two cohort studies, which covered partially the same population'.
Statistically significant excess risks for pancreatic cancer and for leukaemia were noted as isolated findings in two studies and in one study, respectively'.

Some of these studies have been updated. ln Canada, the mortality of a large group of men employed in aluminium production using the Söderberg process was examined between 1950 and 1977, and compared with the pertinent rates for the Province of Quebec.
Workers 'ever' exposed to condensed pitch volatiles ('tar') exhibited significantly increased mortality from all cancers (304 observed, 246.6 expected), and from oesophageal and stomach cancer (50 observed, 32.8 expected), lung cancer (101 observed, 70.7 expected) and
other malignancies (60 observed, 45.3 expected).

Analysis of lung cancer mortality by increasing years of exposure, tar-years of exposure and years since first exposure to tar revealed a steady, statistically significant, increasing trend. No similarly c1ear-cut pattern was noted for cancers of the oesophagus or stomach. Deaths from cancer of the urinary organs (20 observed, 13.7 expected) and bladder (12 observed, 7.5 expected) were more numerous than expected, but not significantly so. Nonetheless, when mortality from cancer at each of these sites was analysed according to tar-years of exposure, significantly increasing trends were noted. Among workers 'never' exposed to tar, mortality was not elevated above expectancy for any cancer site2.

The risk for bladder cancer was further investigated in a case-control study based on 488 bladder cancer cases occurring in 1970- 1979 in regions of the Province of Quebec where five aluminium plants were operating using the Söderberg production process.

A statistically significant odds ratio of 2.7, based on 45 exposed cases, was found for employment in Söderberg reactor rooms. The risk increased steadily with time worked in this department, with odds ratios ranging from 1.9 for those who had worked for one to nine years, up to 4.5 for those who had worked in the department for over 30 years. This trend was statistically significant. The risk also increased steadily with increasing estimated exposure to 'tar' and polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons and remained almost unchanged after adjusting for
cigarette smoking, length of employment and age.

This set of data was later reanalysed in an attempt to quantify the noted exposure-response relationship. More refined quantitative estimates of historical workplace exposure and more complete information on smoking habits were used. Estimates of bladder cancer risk were highly statistically significantly related to three exposure indices: years spent in the Söderberg potroom; cumulative exposure to benzene-soluble material, an indicator of overall exposure to tar volatiles; and cumulative exposure to benzo(a)pyrene, an indicator of exposure to polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons.

It was estimated that an aluminium smelter worker exposed to 0.2 mgj m3 benzene-soluble material for 40 years has a likelihood of contracting bladder cancer approximately 2.5-fold that of a nonexposed person.

Workers exposed to 5 ¡.gj m3 benzo(a)pyrene for 40 years had a likelihood of contracting bladder cancer approximately five-fold that of an unexposed person. Smoking did not confound the relationship4.
There is sufficient evidence that certain exposures occurring during aluminium production cause cancer. Pitch volatiles have fairly consistently been suggested in epidemiological studies as being possible causative agents. Dose-response relationships have been clarified, and confounding by smoking controlled for.

B. Other relevant data

No effect on the incidence of sister chromatid exchanges in peripheral blood lymphocytes of workers in the aluminium industry was observed in one study. No increase in the incidence of structural chromosomal aberrations was observed in the lymphocytes of workers in an aluminium reduction plant exposed to coal-tar pitch volatiles (anode
production area); analyses of the semen showed no effect on sperm morphology, sperm count or double- Y bodies, when compared to matched controls from the same area, but there was an excess of mutagenic urine samples among these workers as compared to
controls. Urine samples from workers in an anode manufacturing plant were not mutagenic to Salmonella typhimurium in the presence of a metabolic system. Methanol extracts of sputum and bronchial expectorates, pooled separately for smoking and for nonsmoking
workers in a Söderberg process potroom, were tested for mutagenicity to S. typhimurium in the presence of an exogenous metabolic system. Expectorates from smokers were mutagenie, while those from nonsmokers yielded inconc1usive results; samples from pooled
controls were inactive5.

References
¡IARC Monographs, 34,37-64, 1984
2Gibbs, G.W. (1985) Mortality of aluminum reduction plant workers, 1950 through 1977. J.occup.
Med., 27, 761-770
3Thériault, G., Tremblay, C., Cordier, S. & Gingras, S. (1984) Bladder cancer in the aluminium industry. Lancet, i, 947-950
4Armstrong, B.G., Tremblay, c.G., Cyr, D. & Thériault, G.P. (1986) Estimating the relationship between exposure to tar volatiles and the incidence of bladder cancer in aluminum smelter
workers. Scand. J. Work Environ. Health, 12,486-493
51ARC Monographs, Suppl. 6,60, 1987


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Postby Damien » June 16th, 2009, 8:27 pm

They could of just build it in laventille and everything would of been good and even give the contract to ah cepep gang :|

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Postby - Rovin's car audio - » June 16th, 2009, 8:41 pm

i hope there is no way d govt cud appeal d decision & continue with d damn smelters ......

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Postby kiamotors » June 16th, 2009, 9:26 pm

^it's the gov't anything is possible with them, using tactics to ensure agreements and hiring the best lawyers to dandy up their plea.

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Postby brams112 » June 16th, 2009, 10:18 pm

the new pipsqueak in town will transfer or get a way to get that judge out,good call though,still most of the equipment,machinery,and other fixtures are already here,so it will have to be built,i am seeing a 34 milloin dollar repossion in port of spain distraction coming up,,,,,,,,

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Postby rx80 » June 16th, 2009, 10:44 pm

A lot of money was spent and paid for this thing, I'm sure Patrick wallet was fattened well for him to say the Government has made their decision and the smelter will go on. Them big guns should firetruck he ass for letting this happen, Damn jackass. We the people of Trinidad should get together and give the person who stopped this a 'pat on their backs' for a job well done
I just hope they can't appeal this somehow
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Postby rx80 » June 16th, 2009, 10:52 pm

Point I really this Manning is a puppet with no mind of his own and is being manipulated by someone.

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Postby ingalook » June 16th, 2009, 11:26 pm

Good one Judge... they will steamroll this decision or find a way around it... but you don't have to make life easy for them

Its good to see that a few trinis still have a spine :)

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