crazy sheit still takin place in Afghanistan!!!

[TriniVdub]

<a href="http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=en-US&vid=9a1310e1-e2bc-4d36-8bb7-a76ff483965f" target="_new" title="Seeing the enemy in Afghanistan"><img src="http://img1.catalog.video.msn.com/Image.aspx?uuid=9a1310e1-e2bc-4d36-8bb7-a76ff483965f&w=112&h=84" border=0 alt="Seeing the enemy in Afghanistan" width=112 height=84><br />Seeing the enemy in Afghanistan</a>

even with all our sheit we still are allot more fortunate than the people trying to make a living over there.

[TK!]

even with all our sheit we still are allot more fortunate than the people trying to make a living over there.

you call WAR making a living?

please step back down to earth. america looking for what they getting.

[Maserati]

even with all our sheit we still are allot more fortunate than the people trying to make a living over there.

you call WAR making a living?

please step back down to earth. america looking for what they getting.

ent
who gives a fcuk bout the yanks there.

no 1 cares when they bomb n kill many kids n innocent people

[bluespeed]

don't let pioneer see this thread

[bluespeed]

^:lol:

[Skanky]

You know before I used to agree 100% that the US deserves what they get cuz is not their business to be in there, but having recently visited a predominantly Muslim country and witnessing the level of fanaticism first hand I have to agree with pioneer.

[Greypatch]

there is ah fine line between being a patriot and following ah cacahole commander in cheif

[ImprezaDriver]

I have to agree that GWB has overstepped his boundaries here, but if I ever heard any of you disrespect the SOLDIERS, SEAMEN, AIRMEN AND CORPSMEN that PUT THEIR LIVES ON THE LINE for your asses I would break your fukking noses.

God damn i'm just wasting my breath to you 3rd world fools

[Greypatch]

why put you life on the line for a cause that is wrong..

btw kerry yuh skunt to the 1st world under GWB arse

[ImprezaDriver]

there you go showing your ignorance again. Every person in the armed forces has to follow their orders whether they like it or not. You can't just say 'no, firetruck that i'm not going.' That'll lead you straight to a dishonorable discharge. And after that, you can't get a job ANYWHERE. Getting kicked out of the armed forces basically ruins your professional life. So again, we gotta do our job whether we like it or not.

oh and my "skunt" has been here for 13 years....

[Greypatch]

In life there is ALWAYS a choice they knew that b4 they enlisted..

btw keep yuh skunt there

[wagonrunner]

there you go showing your ignorance again. Every person in the armed forces has to follow their orders whether they like it or not. You can't just say 'no, firetruck that i'm not going.' That'll lead you straight to a dishonorable discharge. And after that, you can't get a job ANYWHERE. Getting kicked out of the armed forces basically ruins your professional life. So again, we gotta do our job whether we like it or not.

definitely a perk in the land of the free.
and noone in the home of the brave is willing to say firetruck it, because they believe they can still make it elsewhere?

[TriniVdub]

even with all our sheit we still are allot more fortunate than the people trying to make a living over there.

you call WAR making a living?

please step back down to earth. america looking for what they getting.

retard ah wasnt talkin about d soldiers ah talkin about d poor people (civilians) who caught up in the middle and have no where else to go

[Maserati]

even with all our sheit we still are allot more fortunate than the people trying to make a living over there.

you call WAR making a living?

please step back down to earth. america looking for what they getting.

retard ah wasnt talkin about d soldiers ah talkin about d poor people (civilians) who caught up in the middle and have no where else to go

well we could have only assumed it was the soldiers you were talking about..look at the video source.

[RBphoto]

<a href="http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=en-US&vid=9a1310e1-e2bc-4d36-8bb7-a76ff483965f" target="_new" title="Seeing the enemy in Afghanistan"><img src="http://img1.catalog.video.msn.com/Image.aspx?uuid=9a1310e1-e2bc-4d36-8bb7-a76ff483965f&w=112&h=84" border=0 alt="Seeing the enemy in Afghanistan" width=112 height=84><br />Seeing the enemy in Afghanistan</a>

even with all our sheit we still are allot more fortunate than the people trying to make a living over there.

^^^So does Jamal have sand in his eyes or he is a yelow belly puzzy?

[Team Loco]

Manning Gay

[cinco]

I have to agree that GWB has overstepped his boundaries here, but if I ever heard any of you disrespect the SOLDIERS, SEAMEN, AIRMEN AND CORPSMEN that PUT THEIR LIVES ON THE LINE for your asses I would break your fukking noses.

God damn i'm just wasting my breath to you 3rd world fools

heh you said semen

[The_Honourable]

Abandoning Afghanistan

America’s longest war is ending in crushing defeat



“I want to talk about happy things, man!” protested President Joe Biden in early July, when reporters asked him about the imminent withdrawal of the last American forces from Afghanistan, expected some time in the next few weeks. No wonder he wants to change the subject: America has been fighting in Afghanistan for 20 years. It has spent more than $2trn on the war. It has lost thousands of its own troops and seen the death of tens of thousands of Afghans—soldiers and civilians alike. Now America is calling an end to the whole sorry adventure, with almost nothing to show for it.

True, al-Qaeda, which sparked the war by planning the 9/11 attacks from Afghanistan, is no longer much of a force in the country, although it has not been eliminated entirely. But that is about as far as it goes. Other anti-American terror groups, including a branch of Islamic State, continue to operate in Afghanistan. The zealots of the Taliban, who harboured Osama bin Laden and were overthrown by American-backed forces after 9/11, have made a horrifying comeback. They are in complete control of about half the country and threaten to conquer the rest. The democratic, pro-Western government fostered by so much American blood and money is corrupt, widely reviled and in steady retreat.

In theory, the Taliban and the American-backed government are negotiating a peace accord, whereby the insurgents lay down their arms and participate instead in a redesigned political system. In the best-case scenario, strong American support for the government, both financial and military (in the form of continuing air strikes on the Taliban), coupled with immense pressure on the insurgents’ friends, such as Pakistan, might succeed in producing some form of power-sharing agreement. But even if that were to happen—and the chances are low—it would be a depressing spectacle. The Taliban would insist on moving backwards in the direction of the brutal theocracy they imposed during their previous stint in power, when they confined women to their homes, stopped girls from going to school and meted out harsh punishments for sins such as wearing the wrong clothes or listening to the wrong music.

More likely than any deal, however, is that the Taliban try to use their victories on the battlefield to topple the government by force. They have already overrun much of the countryside, with government units mostly restricted to cities and towns. Demoralised government troops are abandoning their posts. This week over 1,000 of them fled from the north-eastern province of Badakhshan to neighbouring Tajikistan. The Taliban have not yet managed to capture and hold any cities, and may lack the manpower to do so in lots of places at once. They may prefer to throttle the government slowly rather than attack it head on. But the momentum is clearly on their side.

At the very least, the civil war is likely to intensify, as the Taliban press their advantage and the government fights for its life. Other countries—China, India, Iran, Russia and Pakistan—will seek to fill the vacuum left by America. Some will funnel money and weapons to friendly warlords. The result will be yet more bloodshed and destruction, in a country that has suffered constant warfare for more than 40 years. Those who worry about possible reprisals against the locals who worked as translators for the Americans are missing the big picture: America is abandoning an entire country of almost 40m people to a grisly fate.

It did not have to be this way. For the past six years fewer than 10,000 American troops, plus a similar number from other nato countries, have propped up the Afghan army enough to maintain the status quo. American casualties had dropped to almost nothing. The war, which used to rile voters, had become a political irrelevance in America. Since becoming president, Mr Biden has focused, rightly, on the threats posed by China and Russia. But the American deployment in Afghanistan had grown so small that it did not really interfere with that. The new American administration views the long stalemate as proof that there is no point remaining in Afghanistan. But for the Afghans whom it protected from the Taliban, the stalemate was precious.

There will be a long debate about how much the withdrawal saps America’s credibility and prestige. For all its wealth and military might, America failed not only to create a strong, self-sufficient Afghan state, but also to defeat a determined insurgency. What is more, America is no longer prepared to put its weight behind its supposed ally, the Afghan government, to the surprise and dismay of many Afghan officials. Hostile regimes in places like China and Russia will have taken note—as will America’s friends.

That does not make Afghanistan a second Vietnam. For one thing, the Afghan war was never really the Pentagon’s or the nation’s focus. American troops were on the ground far longer in Afghanistan than they were in Vietnam, but far fewer of them died. Other events, from the war in Iraq to the global financial crisis, always seemed more important than what was happening in Kandahar. And American politicians and pundits have agonised over whether to stay or go for so long that, now the withdrawal has finally arrived, it has lost its power to shock. To the extent that outsiders see it as a sign of American weakness, that weakness has been evident for a long time.

Unhappy things

Shocking or not, though, the withdrawal is nonetheless a calamity for the people of Afghanistan. In 2001 many hoped that America might end their 20-year-old civil war and free them from a stifling, doctrinaire theocracy. For a time, it looked as though that might happen. But today the lives of ordinary Afghans are more insecure than ever: civilian casualties were almost 30% higher last year than in 2001, when the American deployment began, according to estimates from the un and academics. The economy is no bigger than it was a decade ago. And the mullahs are not only at the gates of Kabul; their assassins are inside, targeting Shias, secularists, women with important jobs—anyone who offends their blinkered worldview. America was never going to solve all Afghanistan’s problems, but to leave the country back at square one is a sobering failure.

Source: https://www.economist.com/leaders/2021/ ... ing-defeat

[VexXx Dogg]

Biden said they not there to nation build. they went to capture Bin Laden and they did that.
I guess they hit the point of diminishing returns.

It's trillions of dollars spent there already.

[pugboy]

vietnam all over again

[teems1]

Biden said they not there to nation build. they went to capture Bin Laden and they did that.
I guess they hit the point of diminishing returns.

It's trillions of dollars spent there already.

OBL was hiding in a gated compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan. A stone's throw from one of the biggest military academies in Pakistan.

[Ben_spanna]

Every country has their own battles and issues, lets concentrate on our Trinidad, you want to make a difference in those places, Borders opening up soon, buy your ticket, go stand up with whoever in solidarity and make your difference there.

[Dizzy28]

Afghanistan couldn't have been fixed without fixing the Pakistan problem.
USA refused to deal with that so Afghanistan as is was inevitable.

[bluefete]

History has shown that any country which has invaded Afghanistan eventually left in defeat.

[pugboy]

This has been the case for all ideological wars, bombs and guns can’t beat beliefs

History has shown that any country which has invaded Afghanistan eventually left in defeat.

[Arcmanov]

You can fight a man and kill him, but you can't kill an ideology, which America, after all the conflicts they have started around the world, doesn't seem to grasp.

Tne main problem they have now is all the people who worked with them as drivers, interpreters and guides, are now left literally with the shitty end of the stick, as they will jave to face the Taliban, alone and abandoned. America owes it to these people to get them visas pronto, and allow them to emigrate. Can't leave all the people high and dry so. What will happen if the Taliban hold onto some of them?

[bluefete]

You can fight a man and kill him, but you can't kill an ideology, which America, after all the conflicts they have started around the world, doesn't seem to grasp.

Tne main problem they have now is all the people who worked with them as drivers, interpreters and guides, are now left literally with the shitty end of the stick, as they will jave to face the Taliban, alone and abandoned. America owes it to these people to get them visas pronto, and allow them to emigrate. Can't leave all the people high and dry so. What will happen if the Taliban hold onto some of them?

'Murica does not care. Did you see how they left in the dead of night?

[teems1]

It's some of the most difficult terrain to traverse on foot.

Go watch Rambo III on Netflix and you'll get an idea.

History has shown that any country which has invaded Afghanistan eventually left in defeat.

[Arcmanov]

Yeah, that was real scummy, because they announced that all troops would 'be out by the September 11th deadline'.

[sMASH]

i had said that america left after 20 yrs with practically no improvement.
someone else said that $20tn down the drain.