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Postby DF1_2nR » July 3rd, 2008, 8:55 am

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl ... =161347576

Trinidad Express wrote:
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Dibe residents afraid of electric fence near condos
Julien Neaves jneaves@trinidadexpress.com

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Thursday, July 3rd 2008


Dibe residents afraid of electric fence near condos

An electric fence with the potential to inflict "a great deal of pain" on intruders has been erected at a housing development in St James, a sign of the times that some residents are not treating crime lightly.

Outside the wall, however, residents of Dibe Road, Long Circular, are concerned about the potential danger of the electric fence, which has been erected at a private housing development in the area.

The fence has been erected atop concrete walls around the perimeter of the "Meadows" housing project, and yellow signs with "caution electric fence" have been placed along it.

One of the walls with the fence runs alongside a residential house opposite the housing project. A 77-year-old woman living at that house, who asked not to be named, said she and her relatives were not consulted about the fence.

"I 'fraid that thing," she said, adding she would not allow her grandchildren to visit, fearing they would be harmed by it.

Another resident said he did not know the voltage of the fence-this was not on the caution signs-and feared it was fatal.

Another wall with the electric fence runs along the main road, and the Bellevue/Dibe/Dundonald Hill Community Council public relations officer Trevor Rullow believes this wall is "too low, too close to the public and adjustments should be made".

"That fence poses a danger to the residents of the area," Rullow said.

He noted that the road was the main thoroughfare and used by all residents, including schoolchildren. He said there were reports of sparks from the fence during the rains yesterday.

The fence was installed by the Electric Fence Company of St Clair. The company's general manager Maxine Cook told the Express in an interview on Monday, the day the fence was activated, that she had received two calls of complaints from residents about it.

She explained how the electric fence works-there is an energiser that converts 110 voltage into 7,000 to 10,000 volts of electricity. She stressed that the amperage-the strength of a current of electricity-is what is dangerous and in their fences, it is very low at 0.006.

"So it is not lethal at all," she added.

She noted that electrified fences have been around for 75 years around the world, in places such as Israel, England and the US, and have been used in airports, schools and universities.

"And there has never been one fatality connected with an electric fence," she said.

She explained that the fence works in pulses and if someone touches the fence, it does not hold the individual but it will repulse them, causing a "great deal of pain". Cook described the fence as more humane and aesthetic than razor wire or barb wire.

Commenting on concerns about the height of the fence, she said it was "perfectly legal" to install the fence, once casual contact was above five feet and within the boundaries of the property.

The company, a subsidiary of Venezuelan company Energico, started in 2006 and began operations in 2007. Cook said they have done about four installations so far.

One electrician told the Express he was shocked that the Government Electrical Inspectorate, which ensures that all wiring and electrical installation is certified as safe to the consumer, had approved the fence in a residential area.

Officials from the inspectorate were not aware of the electric fence on Dibe Road when the Express contacted them this week. One official said another fence should have been erected in front of the wall with the fence, preventing contact with the public.

It could not be confirmed whether the electric fence broke local laws.

The electrician said the Bureau of Standards has been developing standards for this country, and the regulations usually referred to locally were those of the internationally-known Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers.

Rullow said residents plan to meet on Saturday to discuss the issue and will lodge a complaint with the inspectorate.



Question: If the fence was constructed legally, do the residents in the surrounding area have any real right to complain?

Have their ever been reported cases of injuries caused from just passing close to an electric fence?

As I see it the only people it poses a danger to are those seeking to enter the property without permission.

Signs are clearly posted notifying the public of the danger. If a person gets injured from touching the fence it is their own fault.

Would ordering the removal of the fence not be infringing on the right of the residents inside the development to their own personal security?

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Postby MG Man » July 3rd, 2008, 8:59 am

shocking!

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Postby soundboy101 » July 3rd, 2008, 9:04 am

So what is the complaint about, it have a 5 or 6' wall bellow the fence, so u only getting shock if you trying to get over the wall.

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Postby Fuzz Master » July 3rd, 2008, 9:05 am

if yuh fraid the fence so much then dont go near it thats all. and for those that dont listen they will feel

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Postby Hook » July 3rd, 2008, 9:09 am

soundboy101 wrote:So what is the complaint about, it have a 5 or 6' wall bellow the fence, so u only getting shock if you trying to get over the wall.


nah watch d wall in relation to the height of the car...that wall is at least 7ft high...d only way anyone gettin shock is if they really try to get shock...or accidentally turn into giants

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Postby pablo_tt » July 3rd, 2008, 9:13 am

Thank you! There is no way that anyone can be shocked unless you really looking to intrude on the property. Excelent move imho.

I am sure with that sort of security measure the prices for those condos aren't cheap :!:

Sad to see we hafta resort to these measures, but we have to fo what we must in order to protect ourselves

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Postby RASC » July 3rd, 2008, 9:14 am

I don't see anything wrong with electric fence in these times...however the height, kinda low...7 ft high :? Trini full of midgets or what? 7 ft for a wall is SHORT :!:

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Postby pablo_tt » July 3rd, 2008, 9:15 am

Judging from the pic RASC, the way it has been constructed, you'd only be shocked if you have serious intentions on entering the property

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Postby crazybalhead » July 3rd, 2008, 9:18 am

I hope some illiterate bandit straddles the fence.

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Postby RASC » July 3rd, 2008, 9:18 am

pablo_tt wrote:Judging from the pic RASC, the way it has been constructed, you'd only be shocked if you have serious intentions on entering the property


Yeah I know that...

...all I'm saying is 7 feet is SHORT, and it doesn't look 7 ft in the pic at all :!:

(Look at the pic, does that look 7ft high to you?)

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Postby RASC » July 3rd, 2008, 9:19 am

crazybalhead wrote:I hope some illiterate bandit straddles the fence.


I think we all waiting for that...and then they're mother gonna come on T.V. crying and bawling :lol:

(either way it's not fatal...LAME)

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Postby pablo_tt » July 3rd, 2008, 9:21 am

From the pic, I see the electric prods (dunno the proper name for them) appear to be on the higher portion of the wall. Unless that electric part gor right around . Maybe what people complaining about are the lower portions of the wall

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Postby pablo_tt » July 3rd, 2008, 9:28 am

That's why savannahs were created. Seeing it's in St James, the QPS ent all that far

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Postby RASC » July 3rd, 2008, 9:29 am

pablo_tt wrote:That's why savannahs were created. Seeing it's in St James, the QPS ent all that far


King George
QPS

Both in walking distance...safe, and alot more enjoyable!

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Postby Sky » July 3rd, 2008, 9:32 am

For electricity to be lethal, it has to pass through your heart at a speed of .385 amps ( so I was told). The current on that fence is 0.006 amps. A Potato pushes more than that for chirst's sake. Yes the voltage high, bu its harmless, more of a big annoyince to someone climbing it. Typical Trinis. They see thing and assume it dangerous, like a buncha village folk. If yuh gran chirren see the sign and wanna play fass, let them get a lil bzzt.

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Postby pablo_tt » July 3rd, 2008, 9:34 am

Another question to rory (not attacking, but jus asking) Would you agree that the same scanario witht he kite coming into contact witht he gate would just be as risky as flying a kite and coming into contact with overhead lines?

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Postby Rory Phoulorie » July 3rd, 2008, 9:37 am

pablo_tt wrote:Another question to rory (not attacking, but jus asking) Would you agree that the same scanario witht he kite coming into contact witht he gate would just be as risky as flying a kite and coming into contact with overhead lines?


Yes. That's why I deleted the post because of those types of answers (brain is working slow today).

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Postby Samo » July 3rd, 2008, 9:40 am

RASC wrote:I don't see anything wrong with electric fence in these times...however the height, kinda low...7 ft high :? Trini full of midgets or what? 7 ft for a wall is SHORT :!:


ditto

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Postby pablo_tt » July 3rd, 2008, 9:43 am

Rory Phoulorie wrote:
pablo_tt wrote:Another question to rory (not attacking, but jus asking) Would you agree that the same scanario witht he kite coming into contact witht he gate would just be as risky as flying a kite and coming into contact with overhead lines?


Yes. That's why I deleted the post because of those types of answers (brain is working slow today).


Oh ok, I thought you were a victim of "the glitch" cuz I was gonna quote you.

To be quite honest, I think this is a good security idea (next to a DVR system) but one must take the proper steps NOT to make headlines like this

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Postby RBphoto » July 3rd, 2008, 9:47 am

Sky wrote:For electricity to be lethal, it has to pass through your heart at a speed of .385 amps ( so I was told). The current on that fence is 0.006 amps. A Potato pushes more than that for chirst's sake. Yes the voltage high, bu its harmless, more of a big annoyince to someone climbing it. Typical Trinis. They see thing and assume it dangerous, like a buncha village folk. If yuh gran chirren see the sign and wanna play fass, let them get a lil bzzt.


That's correct. 4mA and I forget the duration is the maximum limit at which GFCI breakers trip off. Painful, but far from lethal.

Pablo, the kite would not cause a fraction of the damage an overhead line would cause, if any at all.

These people even bigger idiots than the people who fighting cell towers, as the fence is proven not to cause damage. They like this fellah:

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But um.....Wha if somebody take a piss on the wall? :lol:

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Postby Hook » July 3rd, 2008, 9:49 am

the average Trini is like what, 6ft tall?

yeah 7ft is kinda low, but say what...you'd hafta press against the wall to touch the bottom of the rail AND the only part of it that protrudes into the roadway looks to be more than 8ft off the ground anyway...so like I said, you only gettin shock if you try to get shock

besides wha u doin touchin up my friggin fence anyway? I put dat dey fuh you to lean up on it?

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Postby joel » July 3rd, 2008, 10:00 am

if yuh have no intention of climbin the damn wall, then it shouldnt bother yuh...move on and mind yuh business

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Postby Greypatch » July 3rd, 2008, 10:04 am

excellent have to find out the current bill

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Postby RBphoto » July 3rd, 2008, 10:16 am

Watch d damn thing self, the fence perfectly safe.

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Postby evo-STI-k » July 3rd, 2008, 10:52 am

This is GREAT- now more INNOCENT communities can construct these to protect themselves.
If you get shocked - you had no right to be there- it GOOD for ya!

Now if only we could convince govt to build these ELECTRIC fences around certain HOT spots to keep the animals INSIDE of the wall :!:

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Postby Greypatch » July 3rd, 2008, 11:28 am

man lolo get mash up AHAHAHAHAHAH

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Postby RBphoto » July 3rd, 2008, 11:57 am

Now is a good time to invest in high wattage laser technology. Non lethal my eye!!!!! :twisted:

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Postby cheese pie » July 3rd, 2008, 2:33 pm

Have their ever been reported cases of injuries caused from just passing close to an electric fence?


not in trinidad







yet :lol:

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Postby RBphoto » July 3rd, 2008, 4:06 pm

Greypatch wrote:excellent have to find out the current bill


Should be negligible.

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Postby ryansouthman » July 3rd, 2008, 4:39 pm

bess idea here..........................

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