Evolution VS Creation

[Bezman]

Do you believe in Evolution or Creation?

[Yeo]

Interesting read

http://forums.trinituner.com/forums/vie ... reationism

[Bezman]

its threads like that that made me want to do a poll... trying not to start the debate again

[Yeo]

trying not to start the debate again

Good Luck!

[InDeForest]

I have a question tho, when you label 'creation' do you mean 'God sparking life at some point' or 'the Adam and Eve story'?
Cause you hadda be a kinda frigging idiot to be clinging to the latter, and yes im a serious Catholic. Carry on...

[Mr. Red Sleeper]

InDeForest,
AGREED100%

[Bezman]

creation, we were created by something/god whatever....

creation n. The act of creating. The fact or state of having been created.

[ronsin1]

although I believe in creation the topic is debatable

[rice-a-roni]

Most ppl see this as either black or white, but I think there's a grey area. I belive in evolution, but that life itself was brought about by God. I just can't see how actual life could have come about from passing electricity through a 'primordial soup'.

That said, if I had to choose one or the other, I'd choose Evolution.

[Mr. Red Sleeper]

RS200,


everything you need to know here
http://forums.trinituner.com/forums/vie ... 55&start=0


Not bashin yuh thread, we all have questions and llokin for answers...

[Bezman]

i saw the thread, and read it.. allot of good points on both sides... its defeinately not everything i need to know
i myself believe in evolution completely and entirely..

[wagonrunner]

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Birth Of A Rally Car - Creation Of A Peugeot 307 WRC
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RS200, forgive the spam. but creation is my choice. we could throw the reasons why around in the other thread.

[hottstuff]

Evolution of course.

[Bezman]

spam appreciated

[noobie]

evolution was Created.

[djaggs]

Evoloution is like putting a bunch of bolts and metal scrap in a barrel and shaking it for 10 million years, anybody here think yuh will get a Car??

Impossible.

question: Why is it that the only creature on earth that worships God is man?? How come animals dont worship God.

How come no matter where you go on earth, in the remotest Jungle, or the most deserted Island, you will find people worshipping God, in some form or the other, who teach them to do that???

[Mini]

damn and I thought Creation was a new rally bred performance car on the market

[zodiaque]

[luckylass]

Dis is a chicken or d egg issue...which one come first???

[djaggs]

There is only one specie of human, there is no difference in the DNA of a white man, a black man or a chinee man.

Geneticists also recently discovered a gene that is common to all men, they said it means that all of humanity is descended from one man, that gene was traced to Africa which has long been considered the cradle of life.

THe word Adam means reddish brown, it means the first man was reddish brown, not white.

THis means that we are all of African descent (hope Sat Maharaj reads this) including whites. The different races are just mutations that developed as a result of the environment they lived in.

But back to bolts in a bucket theory, if I shake that bucket of bolts for 10 million years I will never get a Evo out of it, anyone who thinks so has to be very stupid. In order to get an EVO, an engineer has to sit down and design it, then its manufactured according to the designers specs. All EVOS are designed wiith one purpose, to kick arse, whether Subaru, Rotary, Nissan it dont matter, it was just made to kick arse.

When someone buys an EVO, they supposed to kick arse with it, because that is what it was designed for. However, the large majority of EVO owners dont use the car for what it was designed for, they are what you call posers. A poser is someone who doesnt understand what an EVO is made for, as result of this, those EVOS in their hands never fulfill their purpose and the cars just potter around at 80KPH or so never breaking a sweat.

It is the same with man, he was designed with a specific purpose in mind, that is to worship God. THis is why in every country in the world, from time immemorial you find people trying to worship God, whether the remotest deserted Island or the busiest metropolis you find people trying to worship God. Nobody taught them that. When Columbus came here, the Indians were worshipping God as they knew how, Columbus didnt tell them there was a God. There is an innate desire in man to worship God, because deep inside a man's heart something was put there by the designer, his purpose. Worshipping God is the one thing that differentiates us from animals.

Now, there are many posers out there who do not know what their purpose is. They Choose to deny God because they have hardened their hearts toward Him. These posers got together one day and decided to come up with an idea to justify their deliberate hatred of God, they came up with an unproved theory called Evoloution. All the God haters loved it, they finally had something to get rid of God with. THe theory of Evoloution means that, we have only a finite time to live, after we die we dont exist anymore so there is no reckoning for our behaviour on earth. So, then we can live as we want, do as we want with no fear of accountability. This means that everyone is free to kill, rape, do whatever you want, because we are all here by accident, and we have no specific purpose inbuilt in us by a Creator/designer.

If you believe in Creation, you believe you were designed with a purpose and you will try to discover that purpose and fulfill it. You will believe that you are accountable to that creator for you life and will respect him as the giver of your life.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

^ man like he have an axe to grind yes
fight for what yuh believe in bro - never give up!

but it lookin as if the Evo poser axe bigger than the Atheist axe.

[Evo_69]

I have a question tho, when you label 'creation' do you mean 'God sparking life at some point' or 'the Adam and Eve story'?
Cause you hadda be a kinda frigging idiot to be clinging to the latter, and yes im a serious Catholic. Carry on...

Dude..you have your views and I have mine..not because someone doesn't think like you means he is a frigging idiot. None of us knows for sure how the world has started. But you do have three major religions of the world thats "clinging to the latter". The Adam and Eve story does sound a bit far fetched but the truth is sometimes stranger than fiction.

So you are a serious Catholic but you seriously lacking in faith

[djaggs]

When you have people live in fear, then you control them. That's how Bush does it, makes Americans think there is a terrorist threat to them, and he makes himself to be the saviour, he establishes direct control.

errr....I think the crazy Moslems crashing two planes into the WTC and the pentagon did that, not George Bush. Unless of course you think that that does not constitute a terrorist threat, neither does several million Iranians
chanting "death to America, death to America" while trying to build an atomic bomb.

[Bezman]

dam where to begin with you boy,

There is only one specie of human, there is no difference in the DNA of a white man, a black man or a chinee man.

Scientists Find A DNA Change That Accounts For White Skin

By Rick Weiss
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, December 16, 2005; A01

Scientists said yesterday that they have discovered a tiny genetic mutation that largely explains the first appearance of white skin in humans tens of thousands of years ago, a finding that helps solve one of biology's most enduring mysteries and illuminates one of humanity's greatest sources of strife.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 28_pf.html

Geneticists also recently discovered a gene that is common to all men, they said it means that all of humanity is descended from one man, that gene was traced to Africa which has long been considered the cradle of life.

THe word Adam means reddish brown, it means the first man was reddish brown, not white.

THis means that we are all of African descent (hope Sat Maharaj reads this) including whites. The different races are just mutations that developed as a result of the environment they lived in.

yes we all came from Africa, but so did most life millions of years ago when the continents were connected (or almost one large land mass) following food, looking for new lands, weather changes all accounted for mans locations over the globe and with different climates came different appearance

https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/gen ... index.html

check that out, tis national geographic Genome project

But back to bolts in a bucket theory, if I shake that bucket of bolts for 10 million years I will never get a Evo out of it, anyone who thinks so has to be very stupid. In order to get an EVO, an engineer has to sit down and design it, then its manufactured according to the designers specs. All EVOS are designed wiith one purpose, to kick arse, whether Subaru, Rotary, Nissan it dont matter, it was just made to kick arse.

When someone buys an EVO, they supposed to kick arse with it, because that is what it was designed for. However, the large majority of EVO owners dont use the car for what it was designed for, they are what you call posers. A poser is someone who doesnt understand what an EVO is made for, as result of this, those EVOS in their hands never fulfill their purpose and the cars just potter around at 80KPH or so never breaking a sweat.

basic chemistry proves what you just said wrong (all about cars though) put different chemicals together and agitate them, expose them to heat or cold etc and the bond, split and form other complex matters - e.g water = H2O (hydrogen and oxygen) and such life was formed billions fo years ago, with the simplest of single cell organisms being formed by tiny molecules and atoms smashing together from asteriods / comet impacts and molten/cooling conditions on a young earth.. (science has proven this)

It is the same with man, he was designed with a specific purpose in mind, that is to worship God. THis is why in every country in the world, from time immemorial you find people trying to worship God, whether the remotest deserted Island or the busiest metropolis you find people trying to worship God. Nobody taught them that. When Columbus came here, the Indians were worshipping God as they knew how, Columbus didnt tell them there was a God. There is an innate desire in man to worship God, because deep inside a man's heart something was put there by the designer, his purpose. Worshipping God is the one thing that differentiates us from animals.

this is not true, some cultures worshiped animals, most the sun and sky and stars, others people, its only when man started conquering each other they did it in the name of someone or something that cultures were born and religions made to control and tame

Now, there are many posers out there who do not know what their purpose is. They Choose to deny God because they have hardened their hearts toward Him. These posers got together one day and decided to come up with an idea to justify their deliberate hatred of God, they came up with an unproved theory called Evoloution. All the God haters loved it, they finally had something to get rid of God with. THe theory of Evoloution means that, we have only a finite time to live, after we die we dont exist anymore so there is no reckoning for our behaviour on earth. So, then we can live as we want, do as we want with no fear of accountability. This means that everyone is free to kill, rape, do whatever you want, because we are all here by accident, and we have no specific purpose inbuilt in us by a Creator/designer.

If you believe in Creation, you believe you were designed with a purpose and you will try to discover that purpose and fulfill it. You will believe that you are accountable to that creator for you life and will respect him as the giver of your life.

i can turn the coin and say you are too scared to let go of you thousand year old beleifs, and you are too hardened to listen to science proven logic

[djaggs]

Also, on Noah's ark, how exactly did he find two of every single animal in this world ? - Maybe he put out an ad in the classifieds

How about dangerous and venomous animals ? How did he handle them ? -

- Very carefully..

Where did he find polar bears ? - In the antarctic

I'm not discrediting the prophecy, jus simply asking a logical question

What race were Adam & Eve ?....- Human race


how come it have so many different races of people if we are all sons and daughters of them ?

Like I said before, it has been scientifically proven that we are all descended from one man, why do we have so many different trees? Maybe God likes variety, wouldnt it be boring everyone looked alike. Imagine a world without sexy dougla women?? If mixing races didnt create new genetic patterns wouldnt the world be very boring?? Ever notice white people come from cold countries where they spend most of the time with their skin covered, not exposed to light, dark people come from near the equator where the sun is hot and they need more melanin to protect their skin from sunburn.

More on scientific Adam :

http://blogs.nationalgeographic.com/cha ... _adam.html

Evoloutionists have scoffed at the idea of Humanity coming from one man, now science has proven it.

[Bezman]

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evolutionists never scoffed at that theory, its understood where we all came from, the interbreeding of different species of primates that eventually made our ancestors and they then moved on as climates and conditions changed..
https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/gen ... index.html

its racists and religions that have a real problem with evolution.

[djaggs]

"this is not true, some cultures worshiped animals, most the sun and sky and stars, others people, its only when man started conquering each other they did it in the name of someone or something that cultures were born and religions made to control and tame "


why did they worship animals?? or worship at all?? What were they trying to do by worshiping animals?or the sun or the moon?

The oldest form of organised worship was found in Babylon, it wasnt done in the name of conquering anybody, they worshipped what they thought was God. You still havent explained why they worshipped at all.

[Bezman]

i think you misunderstood me or i didn't explain clear enough, not all ancient tribes of man worshiped anything, some (like simple amazon tribes) really worshiped nothing and just existed on the forest and their surroundings

they then sometimes started worshiping teh sky cause of meteorites and shooting starts, solar eclipses etc, they slowly realized (and tracked) that changes in weather / season / stars / sun / size of the moon etc brought about changes in how crops gre etc, then they started looking to the sky for help (asking teh moon to get big again, or for it to stop snowing, or for it to rain - and then named those 'gods' or prayers as they became familiar - ), cause in their simple logic they saw that the sky/stars/moon and of course sun had allot to do with if grain and corn grew or if it rained

[djaggs]

Well, at least you admit they were worshipping, but you dont really know why. There are very few people in the world who dont worship. The Amerindians here had their form of worship. Worship was always meant to receieve divine favour from a divine being, however they interpreted that. It is a natural instinct of man.

The bible explains it this way:

Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and wickedness of men who by their wickedness suppress the truth.
Romans 1:19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them.
Romans 1:20 Ever since the creation of the world his invisible nature, namely, his eternal power and deity, has been clearly perceived in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse;
Romans 1:21 for although they knew God they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking and their senseless minds were darkened.
Romans 1:22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools,
Romans 1:23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man or birds or animals or reptiles.
Romans 1:24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves,
Romans 1:25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever! Amen.

[wagonrunner]

To live is to suffer, but to survive, well, that's to find meaning in the suffering.