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megadoc1 wrote:AdamB wrote:megadoc1 wrote:I cant remember seeing you having a discussion with polytheists ..can you point me to such posts?AdamB wrote:
If I was so close-minded as you claim, would I be having discussions with disbelievers and polytheists (
You see everything but observe nothing!!
So what about all the Trinity / dspike drama. BTW that was the biggest anticlimax I observed on this thread.
You don't understand what "associating partners with GOD" is and therefore cannot recognize. For insight into that, STUDY ISLAM.
if you believe that Jesus was anything more than a man, a human, who has to die, who had to eat and drink, who will be resurrected by GOD on the day of Judgment, who will be judged by GOD (except if exempted for a particular reason) OR if you believe he is the son of God or SON OF GOD or is GOD as part of Trinity, or worship him (Jesus) or say he (Jesus) is the LORD (meaning creator or sustainer) or has any part in Lordship or Divinity, THEN YOU FALL UNDER THE CATEGORY OF POLYTHEIST!!!
Sorry to put it so bluntly but for the purpose of discussion, this is the truth as far as Islam is concerned. I will ask M_2NR to say otherwise?? If he be truthful (for crossdrilled sake.)
LOL the very reason I ask this question was because, I suspected that your lack of understanding the christian faith has led you to believe they are polytheists ,which also proves that you don't have a clue about polytheism ...what Muslims generally accuse Christians of is trithesim not polytheism
Polytheism is the belief of multiple deities also usually assembled into a pantheon of gods and goddesses, along with their own mythologies and rituals......wiki
my question to you now is how many deities does Christians believes in? not one?
but I guess its because the author of the koran erroneously thought that Christians believe in three gods... you are just following in his footsteps ...lol all knowing my a........ah mean big toe!
crossdrilled wrote:But that dream was real!! and i was told that my revalations will supersceed all other religions. I was also told that... I am still not allowed to eat pork... so it hadda be real
AdamB wrote:It's unfortunate that believers in GOD decide to show up when the word "POLYTHEISM" is mentioned but were conveniently absent when mankind was saying that stripclubs are morally good.
AdamB wrote:Dspike,
Everyone has a life pal and you're not the only "believer in GOD" on this thread, I'm sure of that.
AdamB wrote:if you haven't noticed, this thread has evolved into a religion discussion with appropriate name change.
AdamB wrote:Morality (and righteous action) is linked to religion, most would agree with that. Although we have atheists claiming to have self-developed morals and apparently theists who don't give a damn about it!?
d spike wrote:Let it suffice to say that your knowledge of right and wrong is yours to judge your own actions, what is truth for you, what is acceptable for you... not to tell others what to do or believe. They must be allowed to exercise that same gift in their lives - in order for the choice they make to be truly theirs.
TonyM wrote:God creates man, his greatest creation. God creates man to desperately require drinking water to live. God puts man on a planet 2/3 covered with water, but made it salt water than man cannot drink. Intelligent Design!
God creates the earth for his greatest creation to live, but makes it a tiny planet in some small solar system in an obscure part of a galaxy. Intelligent Design!
God makes all living things on earth, but then wipes out 99% of it in a flood because they didn't turn out they way God intended. Intelligent Design!
God created everything. He made hearts automatically beat, lungs work. He gave animals and humans the natural instincts to survive, hunt, feed, reproduce, nurture the young. But then needed to reveal a book on how to live and worship. Intelligent Design!
God gave man free will but then commanded man to do exactly as he says or burn in eternal damnation in a fiery hell. Intelligent Design!
d spike wrote:AdamB wrote:Dspike,
Everyone has a life pal and you're not the only "believer in GOD" on this thread, I'm sure of that.
That previous remark of yours was quite clearly and specifically aimed. YES, aimed at believers in GOD!!AdamB wrote:if you haven't noticed, this thread has evolved into a religion discussion with appropriate name change.
I have noticed.
I have also noticed your inability to discuss religion in a rational manner.
Hopefully, you will soon be taught the difference between discussing things and lambasting those who hold differing opinions.
Awaiting to be taught. lol
I said it before, this is religion discussion and I present the views of Islam. I don't lambast, I ask for evidence of where your beliefs originate. That's the difference with Islam compared to other religions, we base what we believe and what we do on evidence. We look down on newly invented matters in religion / worship because the consequence of these are in the fire.AdamB wrote:Morality (and righteous action) is linked to religion, most would agree with that. Although we have atheists claiming to have self-developed morals and apparently theists who don't give a damn about it!?
Last time I checked, it was a free country and I could discuss what I wished.
My purpose in taking part in this thread was to correct some errors that were being touted as truth - errors in an area I am quite familiar with.
I have no wish to tell others what to do - THAT is not my job here. If you think it is yours, then hats off to you, cheer-o, good luck.
Since you're one of the foremost with knowledge about Jesus, was he sent (or did he come) to correct errors but not tell people what to do? Maybe you can tell us what he would have said about stripclubs. He probably would have said, "Let whosoever that is without sin, cast the first stone" but not "the wages of sin is death".
Similarly, I'm not interested in your motives. If you don't want to comment on moral issues, all I'm saying is that others should (if they think it's religion-related).
This is a public forum in which all sorts of things are discussed and displayed, including (and not restricted to) NWS material and some quite remarkable invitations to some even more remarkable activities. To sit here in this little corner and be all prude seems rather blind and even hypocritical... if you really feel that way, you shouldn't even be on Trinituner until it is all sanitized and pure... or better yet, why don't you go on those threads and chastise the immoral folk there? (I think this argument was dealt with before.)
I am taking part in this discussion for now, if and when I have time I may consider your suggestion.
The fact remains that we are all here in this life, with decisions to make...d spike wrote:Let it suffice to say that your knowledge of right and wrong is yours to judge your own actions, what is truth for you, what is acceptable for you... not to tell others what to do or believe. They must be allowed to exercise that same gift in their lives - in order for the choice they make to be truly theirs.
MG Man wrote:why must there be a destination?
d spike wrote:MG Man wrote:why must there be a destination?
Believing in a destination allows those insecure folk who are convinced that they are going in the right direction, to feel good about themselves by sneering at and chastising those who are not perceived to be going in the same direction.
AdamB wrote:d spike wrote:MG Man wrote:why must there be a destination?
Believing in a destination allows those insecure folk who are convinced that they are going in the right direction, to feel good about themselves by sneering at and chastising those who are not perceived to be going in the same direction.
so why did GOD send prophets like the ones named in the bible and the ones not named to other peoples? Were the prophets the most insecure because they pointed people to a particular direction? Well Jonah literally tried to jump ship but look what happened to him!!
AdamB wrote:d spike wrote:MG Man wrote:why must there be a destination?
Believing in a destination allows those insecure folk who are convinced that they are going in the right direction, to feel good about themselves by sneering at and chastising those who are not perceived to be going in the same direction.
so why did GOD send prophets like the ones named in the bible and the ones not named to other peoples? Were the prophets the most insecure because they pointed people to a particular direction? Well Jonah literally tried to jump ship but look what happened to him!!
d spike wrote:I was not referring to the prophets, but rather the average insecure Joe, who feels the need to create and dominate little information-lacking cul-de-sacs like this one, to boost his ego, mistaking vanity and blindness for religious superiority.
d spike wrote:When I first started browsing Tuner fairly recently, I used to read Bluefete's "God" thread in amazement (while not the most accurate word, that's the most polite word I can use to describe how I felt), but I never even wished to voice an opinion. This decision was based on my experiences regarding discussions amongst differing faiths. While it sounds like a good idea to compare differences, observe similarities, and generally learn of different ways of looking at the same thing, this never works for religion, unless the persons involved share a strong sense of trust, respect, wisdom and maturity - as well as a very good grasp of language.
Thus it is that whenever average people discuss religion (especially Christianity) it soon turns into either a competition, an evangelistic affair, or a fight - or all three, in that order.
But then someone I know, who is fed up of the nonsense that passes for the fundamentalist view on Tuner, started a 'religiously-themed' thread just to see how foolish these goodly folk could get - and lad, did they ever.
Then I realised that the only view representing those who consider the teachings of the Christ more than just interesting, were a handful of blinded literalists whose only knowledge of scripture was what they were fed.
And here is my conundrum: When I read Bluefete's thread, I was quite certain the spouted nonsense I came across was precisely that - because of what I knew. Suppose I didn't know... then my assumption would be that despite whatever sense Jesus' words might make, his followers are all complete imbeciles. If a drink has a magnificent bouquet, but all who drink it go mad - then bet your last cent I ain't tasting it.
And so I have decided (against the better judgment of most of my peers) to attempt to be the voice of reason - not for the benefit of Bluefete, or Sir Civic, or this Megadoc1... but for the curiously minded who might otherwise shy away from delving into what could result in a better understanding of why we all are here.
Humes wrote:Well said, d spike, and thanks.
I mostly started posting in this thread regularly because at some point early on, these fellas were posting lies (not beliefs, LIES) as truth and it bothered me that they might be convincing fence-sitters with that ole talk. People deserve access to proper and factual information before making their choices.
Now, though, I doh even think that necessary. Because anyone who can eat up the level sh1t these fellas talkin, and observin the manner in which they spew that sh1t...probably eh worth helpin in the first place.
MG Man wrote:why must there be a destination?
MG Man wrote:unlike you, my lack of belief is an open door..............anytime someone can propose a sensible, logical argument for the existence of a creator, cool........until then, I have no reason to believe one exists, especially one that takes attendance etc
btw your first line 'The simple answer is that the Unseen GOD that we believe in says so!' makes no sense whatsoever and is at best a weak attempt at proving your point
Humes wrote:Well said, d spike, and thanks.
I mostly started posting in this thread regularly because at some point early on, these fellas were posting lies (not beliefs, LIES) as truth and it bothered me that they might be convincing fence-sitters with that ole talk. People deserve access to proper and factual information before making their choices.
Now, though, I doh even think that necessary. Because anyone who can eat up the level sh1t these fellas talkin, and observin the manner in which they spew that sh1t...probably eh worth helpin in the first place.
AdamB wrote:
The question you asked was why must there be a destination? I guess you didn't see the words REWARD AND PUNISHMENT.
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