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bluefete wrote:Dohplaydat: This is to answer your question.
https://www.nist.gov/speech-testimony/a ... and-future
This is an excerpt: Kind of long but very informative:
Now let's shift our attention to the Western Hemisphere, where the first slaves were brought about 500 years ago.
To state the painfully obvious, opportunities for innovation among African Americans were exceedingly rare. Most slaves lived in the South, where it was illegal to educate blacks. Slave owners believed that educated blacks were more likely to revolt.
Yet, even under these oppressive conditions, there is evidence of technology transfer facilitated by slaves from Africa. For example, slaves in South Carolina are credited with introducing rice farming methods pioneered in Africa. Dugout canoes that were used in the Chesapeake have been traced to the influences of slaves from West Africa. And in the Caribbean, slaves were prized for their metal-making skills.
Or consider the work of these four early African-American innovators.
Thomas Jennings: Jennings was the first African American to receive a patent. He earned his patent in 1821, at age 30, for a process that is the forerunner of modern dry-cleaning. Jennings was a freeman who was born in the United States. He was an accomplished tailor whose reputation enabled him to open up his own clothing store in New York. Along the way, he devised his patented dry-scouring process. A successful businessman, Jennings was a financial supporter of the abolitionist cause.
Henry Blair: Blair, presumably a freeman, is the second African American to receive a patent. His two harvester patents—granted in 1834 and 1836—are the only ones ever to indicate that they were granted to a "colored man."
Norbert Rillieux: Rillieux patented the device (in 1846) that transformed sugar refining. His father was a French engineer and wealthy plantation owner. His mother had been a slave. Rillieux's father sent Norbert to France where he studied engineering. At age 24, he became the youngest instructor of applied mechanics at a technical school in Paris. After returning to New Orleans, Rillieux developed the multiple-effect evaporator. The invention is credited with greatly improving worker safety and processing efficiency. In fact, Rillieux's evaporator has been ranked among the greatest inventions in the history of American Chemical Engineering. In 2002, the American Chemical Society designated the Rillieux multiple-effect evaporator a National Historic Chemical Landmark.
Benjamin Banneker: Banneker, also a freeman, appears out of chronological order, but he belongs in a category all his own. He was born in 1731, not far from here, in what is now Ellicott City.
Benjamin Banneker distinguished himself in many ways over his lifetime—as a mathematician, astronomer, and surveyor. He created an intricate, all-wood clock that reportedly kept time with "faultless precision" for 20 years. The time piece was considered a mechanical wonder and attracted people from miles around. He published five almanacs that served as useful references for farmers in the mid-Atlantic region. Banneker's almanac is the first scientific book written by an African American.
And, I should add, he had a flair for marketing. Here's what he wrote on the title page of the 1792 issue after listing its diverse content. I nist-quote: "the whole comprising a greater, more pleasing, and more useful variety than any work of the kind and price in North America."
Banneker's reputation grew significantly in 1789. He accurately predicted a solar eclipse far in advance of its occurrence on April 14th of that year. In so doing, he contradicted the predictions of several well-known astronomers.
He was an impressive individual, so impressive in fact that a future president, Thomas Jefferson, recommended him for a job. Banneker was appointed by George Washington to serve as assistant surveyor on the team laying out the new federal district. That made him the first black presidential appointee.
In 1791, the Georgetown Weekly Ledger printed an assessment of Banneker, basing it on his performance as a member of the surveying team for the District of Colombia. The paper described Banneker as–nist-quote– "an Ethiopian whose abilities as a surveyor and an astronomer clearly prove that Mr. Jefferson's concluding that [this] race of men were void of mental endowments was without foundation."
This brings us to some interesting correspondence between these two men, which also occurred in 1791.
That year, the 60-year-old Banneker wrote a 12-page letter to Jefferson, the chief author of the Declaration of Independence.
He skillfully challenged Jefferson to live up to the principles stated in that document and likened slavery to living under the tyranny of the British crown, which stirred Jefferson to assert the "self-evident" truth that "all men are created equal." Banneker's letter is truly a remarkable document, and he published it in one of his almanacs.
Banneker's letter elicited a telling response from Jefferson, then secretary of state. Jefferson's response has been euphemistically described as indicating his "ambivalence" on the subject of slavery.
I should note that, in 1998, Congress authorized a Banneker Memorial. Appropriately, it will stand on L'Enfant Plaza. Unfortunately, however, progress has been slow.
To be sure, conditions were better for freemen, but the window of opportunity was very narrow. And among those who did achieve success, history has had a way of obscuring their accomplishments.
In a metaphorical sense—and for a little comic relief—permit me to illustrate how the popular media also can confuse the matter.
Some of you may be old enough to recall the 1960s TV series The Real McCoys.
Far more interesting is the life Elijah McCoy, inventor of a popular type of oil-dripping cup. This invention made it possible to automate lubrication of train locomotives, ship engines, and other types of heavy machinery.
Born to fugitive slaves who had escaped to Canada, Elijah demonstrated his inventive and mechanical skills while growing up on a farm in Ontario. At age 16, he went to Scotland where he served an apprenticeship and then became certified as a master mechanic and engineer.
After the end of the Civil War, McCoy rejoined his family and moved to a town outside of Detroit. There, he immediately discovered that he was overqualified for the jobs that were open to him. In 1870, he settled for a job on the Michigan Central Railroad as a fireman and oiler. In addition to shoveling about two tons of coal every hour, he jumped out at every stop and, with oilcan in hand, lubricated all moving parts. At his home machine shop, this underutilized master mechanic and engineer devised the prototype of his first lubricating cup. He received a patent on his invention in 1872, and shortly thereafter his employer put it to the test. The result: Locomotives lasted longer and required less maintenance.
McCoy went on to develop a series of lubricating devices with new capabilities or for new applications. Lacking the money needed to invest in full-scale production of his devices, McCoy sold the patent rights, reportedly making millions for others while providing just enough money to sustain his inventive ways. In all, he patented more than 70 inventions. Though often imitated, his lubricators proved superior, convincing purchasing agents to insist on the "real McCoy." While this popular phrase also may have stemmed from a couple of different origins, McCoy's combination of inventive genius and determination is worthy of distinction.
Henry E. Baker, an African American from Mississippi, was an assistant patent examiner at the U.S. Patent Office. Dedicated to bringing recognition to black inventors, Baker conducted a survey in the early 1900s to learn about their creative activities over the half century since the Emancipation Proclamation. He sent letters to patent attorneys, newspapers, company presidents, and leaders of the African American community. Like any good researcher, he lists the constraints and limitations of his methods and the resulting data, but his findings tell a fascinating story.
Though only part of the story, these 800 patents, in the words of the author, "tell a wonderful story of the progress of the race in the mastery of the science of mechanics. They cover inventions of more or less importance in all the branches of mechanics, in chemical compounds, in surgical instruments, in electrical utilities, and in the fine arts as well."
Here's a sampling of early innovations credited to African Americans up until about 1920. I'll elaborate on a few.
In 1893 at a Chicago Hospital, Daniel Hale Williams, a black physician performed the first open heart surgery. His patient was James Cornish, a young man who had been stabbed in the chest. Cornish's wound had been treated, but he was bleeding internally and would have soon died if not for Williams' decision to perform surgery.
In so doing, Dr. Williams pioneered the use of antiseptic techniques. The patient made a full recovery and, reportedly, lived a long life.
Granville Woods is credited with developing the concept of the third rail. The additional rail allows a train to receive more electricity while reducing friction. This concept is still used on subway train platforms in major cities in the United States. Woods was called the "Black Edison." He patented more than 50 inventions including an automatic brake and improvements to other inventions, such as safety circuits, telegraphs, telephones, and phonographs.
Born in Dutch Guiana, Jan Matzeliger developed and perfected the technology that made shoes affordable for the common person. His shoe lasting machine automated the process of sewing the tops of shoes to the soles, and is credited with making shoes affordable for the average American.
Garrett Morgan came up with two inventions: the gas mask and the traffic signal that featured automated STOP and GO signs. Morgan's gas mask was used to protect soldiers from chlorine fumes during World War I.
Now, let's advance the calendar a few decades. These are local heroes, pioneers with ties to our area. Obviously, there are many other examples of African Americans who excelled in the face of adversity or whose accomplishments were overlooked or even suppressed. All have a story worth being told.
Matthew Henson: Henson and four Alaska natives stood with Robert Peary when he reached the North Pole on April 6, 1909. Henson, a Baltimore native, was truly an adventurer and explorer. He was an excellent sled driver and could speak the language of native Alaskans. He accompanied Peary on nearly all his trips to the North Pole between 1891 and 1909. In 1944, Congress awarded Henson a medal honoring him for his role in the discovery.
Charles Richard Drew: A native of Washington, D.C., Drew graduated from Colombia University in 1940, the first African American to receive a doctor of science degree from that institution. He pioneered the development of processes for storing and shipping plasma. Drew became director of the American Red Cross Blood Bank in New York. He was asked to organize a massive blood drive for the U.S. Army and Navy, consisting of 100,000 donors.
However, the military issued a directive to the Red Cross, ordering that blood be typed according to the race of the donor, and that African-American donors be refused. Drew was incensed. For obvious reason, he denounced the policy and challenged it as unscientific. Subsequently, he was asked to resign. In 1977 the American Red Cross headquarters in Washington, D.C., was renamed the Charles R. Drew Blood Center.
Euphemia Lofton Haynes: Also from Washington, D.C., Dr. Haynes was the first African-American woman to earn a Ph.D. in mathematics. She received her degree in 1943, from The Catholic University. She taught in Washington, D.C., public schools for 47 years and was the first woman to chair the D.C. School Board. In addition, Dr. Haynes was a professor of mathematics at Miner Teachers College and at the District of Colombia Teachers College.
Katherine Chandler Turner: Mrs. Turner is my mother, and she, too, was a pioneer. She was born in Springfield, Ohio, and earned her degree in nursing education from the Teachers College, Colombia University, where she also did some graduate work. She devoted her career to public health nursing and became the first black public health nursing supervisor in Washington, D.C.
James West: Jim West is your colleague. The microphone technology he co-invented is literally everywhere, an indispensable part of modern life. His achievements and experiences at Bell Labs are testimony to the value of diversity in the innovation process. Dr. West is a renowned expert in acoustics. He holds 47 U.S. patents and more than 200 foreign. Not surprisingly, he is a member of the National Inventors Hall of Fame and winner of the National Medal of Technology.
All of these individuals came from homes that placed a premium on learning. They had parents who encouraged them to rise above the obstacles of discrimination and to succeed.
For most of the 20th century, African-American scientists and mathematicians were the rarest of anomalies. The vast majority of African Americans were the products of separate and unequal schools. There, they attained the rough equivalent of about a sixth grade education. And when they were done with their schooling, they could only aspire to certain fields. Most were relegated to a certain category of service industry jobs.
Choices among the professions were extremely limited as well. When your own Jim West received his National Medal of Technology in 2006 he summed up the job situation for blacks up until the 1950s and 1960s. He said: "There were four accepted professions at that time for black people: Lawyer, Preacher, Teacher, Doctor, but practically nothing else. Any interest outside of these traditional jobs was actively discouraged. My father introduced me to a number of blacks with Ph.D.s in science who worked in the U.S. Post Office and in the railroad Pullman services. . ."
I can relate to this statement. My own father, the smartest man I knew, never got a job better than one at the post office. Denying educational opportunities and careers choices to segments of our society—to any American, for that matter—translates into lost opportunities for all of America.
That is the key take-home message that I want to convey to you and that we should convey to others. America denies itself when it denies African Americans or any other minority group or individual. And in this most competitive world, to deny opportunity is to ensure failure.
Malcolm X reportedly asked this rhetorical question not long after the passage of the Civil Rights Act in 1964. He asked, "Why don't members of the media ask blacks about what they think about the problem of world health or the space race to land a man on the moon?" I think we all know what he was driving at. Discrimination denied African Americans of opportunities. Conversely, adversity deprived the Nation of many more technological contributions and new seeds of knowledge that surely would have sprouted in a free and open society.
Yet, despite this adversity, there is much to celebrate. There have been many, many scientific and technological contributions born from the genius and wrought from the hard work of past and current generations of African Americans.
Today, a question like the one posed by Malcolm X would draw a quizzical stare. Blacks have traveled into space and some have even died there, as have other minorities and women as well. Blacks have led teams that built advanced instruments that peer into the heavens. They are developing new vaccines, working to develop clean sources of energy, building the next generations of information technology, and much, much more.
By comparison with the past, we are fortunate to have many more top-caliber African-American scientists and engineers whose achievements we can all celebrate. Choices and opportunities have grown.
I don't know what kind of poem a modern day Langston Hughes might write. But the accomplishments and pursuits of today's Africa-American researchers and technologists certainly must qualify as inspiration for new poetry.
Now, there is a risk in listing a few examples from an expanding list of good candidates. I made a subjective choice and picked three—all of whom have a family or professional link to our area. And, all three, I should add, are movers and shakers. They are committed to science, to their nation, and to motivating more African Americans to join, as Walter Massey put it, the "uncompromising pursuit of truth . . . the highest achievement of human intelligence."
Shirley Ann Jackson: As described by the Chronicle of Higher Education, Shirley Ann Jackson, the president of RPI, is a "pioneering scientist who is pulling and prodding Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute to greater prominence." She is the first African-American woman to receive a doctorate from M.I.T.—in physics in the U.S. She is both the first woman and the first African American to serve as the chairman of the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission, and the first African-American woman to lead a national research university. She also is the first African-American woman elected to the National Academy of Engineering, and the first to receive the Vannevar Bush award.
Walter E. Massey: A physicist, Walter Massey studied quantum liquids and solids. He may be known best for his skills as leader of scientific and educational organizations. As director of the National Science Foundation, he challenged the status quo on efforts to attract minorities to science and initiated programs to meet that challenge.
After serving 12 years as president of Morehouse, his alma mater, he stepped down last year. It's estimated that about 5 percent of the country's black Ph.D.s received their undergraduate degrees from Morehouse.
Willie E. May: Dr. May, a colleague of mine at NIST, has had an impact on almost every analytical chemistry laboratory in the U.S., and across the globe, as a leader, as a teacher, as a mentor, and as a scientist. Early in his career, he was key part of a project to establish baseline hydrocarbon levels in Prince William Sound before construction of the trans-Alaskan oil pipeline. He helped to establish the first protocols for environmental sample collection for trace organic analysis.
The liquid chromatographic technique developed by Dr. May was key to the success of this work. He is a champion, some might say an evangelist, of measurement science and its role in solving problems of national and global importance—from climate change to food safety to trade disputes. He is active in several international bodies and has helped to build partnerships with organizations in Brazil, China, the European Union and other parts of the world.
Like I said, this is a very small sampling.
Ben Carson, the John Hopkins neurosurgeon, and Freeman Hrabowski, the gifted and energetic leader of the University of Maryland-Baltimore County, are two of several obvious omissions from our local scientific community.
But the experiences and ascents of Shirley Ann Jackson, Walter Massey, and Willie May illustrate an extremely important point: the critical importance of family, mentors, and supportive institutional environments.
"Without mentors," Walter Massey once wrote, "I would not have been a scientist."
Since the 1960s, the number of African Americans in the pipeline has increased from, shall we say, "trace levels" to a small but steady flow. Today, high-achieving African-American and other minority students who earn science and engineering degrees can, in some respects, write their own ticket when it comes to advanced academic pursuits and placement within industry—and government.
That's one solid indicator of how times have changed. Solid progress has been made. But by several measures, the progress has been uneven and the pace has been too slow—and not just for African Americans. This slide is a "good news, bad news" appraisal.
The graphs serve merely as visual evidence of positive trends. The top one shows trends in shares of science and engineering (S&E) bachelor's degrees for all groups. And shares have been increasing for all minorities. The bottom graph shows that among underrepresented minorities (which does not include Asians and Pacific Islanders), African Americans and Hispanics have more than doubled the number of S&E doctorates awarded annually since 1985.
Today, African Americans make up only 5.1 percent of the nation's science and engineering workforce. That's up from 2.6 percent in 1980. Over the same time span, women have increased their share of S&E jobs to almost 26 percent—or more than double their share in 1980.
The optimist might say that when it comes to attracting minorities and women to careers in science and engineering the proverbial glass is half full.
But our job, as a nation, is to fill the glass. And, at the rate we're going, it's going to take a really, really long time.
Consider this factoid from the Journal of Blacks in Higher Education: Blacks hold 5.2 percent of full-time faculty positions in higher education. That's an increase of one percentage point since 1980. The journal calculates that, at this rate, it will take nearly two centuries (192 years) for the black faculty share to reach parity with the black percentage of the U.S. population.
We need to do better. So much better. I believe we need to work harder and faster. The stakes for the United States, for all of us, are huge.
We are at a crossroads. We have to move aggressively to attract people to science. There have been numerous blue-ribbon-panel studies documenting the need to build and strengthen the Nation's science and engineering workforce.
The consequences of not meeting this need are captured in this statement from the influential National Academy of Sciences Report, Rising Above the Gathering Storm: Energizing and Employing America for a Brighter Economic Future:
We are worried about the future prosperity of the United States. Although many people assume that the United States will always be a world leader in science and technology, this may not continue to be the case inasmuch as great minds and ideas exist throughout the world. We fear the abruptness with which a lead in science and technology can be lost—and the difficulty of recovering a lead once lost, if indeed it can be regained at all.
This report, which captured the attention of the White House and Congress, made four recommendations. Two of the four focus directly on people:
First, "Increase America's talent pool by vastly improving K-12 mathematics and science education."
And, second, "Develop, recruit, and retain top students, scientists, and engineers from both the U.S. and abroad."
It is clear that the United States must increase its supply of homegrown science and engineering talent. Other nations certainly are.
Consider, for example, that in the U.S. 15 percent of undergraduates receive their degrees in a natural science or engineering discipline. That's fewer than one in seven.
In South Korea, the corresponding proportion is better than one in three. In China and France, it's half of all degrees. In Singapore, it's two-thirds.
So, where does the United States get the future scientists and engineers it will need to remain a leader in innovation and to grow its economy or—in other words—to remain globally competitive?
Increasingly, they will have to come from the ranks of minorities. By 2050, minorities will make up 52 percent of the college-age population (18-24), as compared with 34 percent at the turn of this new century.
Some people might suggest that the U.S. can draw the needed science and engineering talent from abroad.
Regardless of your views on visas and immigration issues, this option may wither away. More and more foreign scientists and engineers are choosing to pursue careers in their home nations or in other countries besides the U.S. A recent article by a pair of researchers who have spent the last five years examining these trends concludes that—nist-quote—"Clearly the U.S. is no longer the universally preferred home for the global technology elite."1
Let's return to the topic that brought us here today, the technological contributions of African Americans—past, present, future. In the United States, historically black colleges and universities (HBCUs) have been strong positive forces.
In the minds of many, the example that stands out is Tuskegee and the leadership of George Washington Carver, an innovator with few equals. But there are many shining examples among the 117 HBCUs in the United States.
In the science and engineering disciplines, these institutions play an especially critical and nationally valuable role. A few statistics provide the evidence for this claim.
Slightly more than 20 percent of African-American undergraduates earned their bachelor's at an HBCU in 2004. That translates into a big number—more than 26,000. However, the role of HBCUs is even more pronounced in several science fields. For example, 35 percent of blacks earning a bachelor's in chemistry did so at an HBCU, 35% in the biological sciences, 37 percent in math, and a remarkable 61 percent in physics.
My friends at the American Institute of Physics tell me that the role of HBCUs in physics has been at this high level for quite some time. There are 36 physics degree-granting departments in HBCUs and five of them offer Ph.D.s. Conversely, very few African Americans (about 60-70 per year) earn a bachelor's at the 730 physics degree-granting departments in majority schools.
And according to an NSF report, black students completing their undergraduate education at HBCUs are more likely than those from other schools to attend graduate school and to complete doctoral degrees in science and engineering.
So, it's clear that historically black colleges and universities are essential to efforts to build the Nation's scientific and technical workforce.
It's equally clear that predominantly white institutions also are basic to the solution. After all, they award nearly 80 percent of bachelor's degrees earned by blacks. And to find a model to follow, all we have to do is look north of here, to the University of Maryland-Baltimore County (UMBC). Under the leadership of Freeman Hrabowski, according to an editorial in the New York Times, UMBC "is rocking the house when it comes to the increasingly critical mission of turning American college students into scientists."
It has devised a "university as mentor" approach to attracting and preparing women and minorities to science and engineering. UMBC has become a national model for diversity, and it has the numbers to show that the model works. For example, the university ranks first in the total number of undergraduate biochemistry degrees awarded to African Americans. In overall production of biochemistry degrees, UMBC ranks seventh nationally.
In this new century, difficult problems and tantalizing opportunities abound. Members of the science and engineering community fully recognize the challenging nature of the times ahead. We have a responsibility to serve as role models and to light sparks of curiosity in the minds of American youths. We have a duty, I believe, to become active participants in the recruitment of the next generation of innovators.
We must conduct our own star search, recognizing that creativity shines in many different wavelengths, or colors.
Let's not debate whether our nation's innovation glass is half empty or half full. Let's endeavor to fill it up with new ideas and new knowledge that pour in from every corner of society.
I believe that our nation's diversity is its greatest asset. We need to leverage this asset in the interest of all.
Thank you.
1Leonard Lynn and Howard Salzman, "The Real Global Technology Challenge." Change, July/August 2007
* As prepared for delivery but modified to accommodate for the omission of slides used
They probably laught hard at the PNM prime Minster in GhanaRedress10 wrote:Trinis import everything from US. Even behaviour. So blacks in TT aim to follow blacks in USA. Urban blacks that is.
African parents look down on both african americans and caribbean black people as lazy and backward. African leaders also look down on caribbean leaders. Good africans tend to be very hardworking and disciplined with belief in family structure and hard work etc.
zoom rader wrote:They probably laught hard at the PNM prime Minster in GhanaRedress10 wrote:Trinis import everything from US. Even behaviour. So blacks in TT aim to follow blacks in USA. Urban blacks that is.
African parents look down on both african americans and caribbean black people as lazy and backward. African leaders also look down on caribbean leaders. Good africans tend to be very hardworking and disciplined with belief in family structure and hard work etc.
zoom rader wrote:They probably laugh hard at the PNM prime Minster in GhanaRedress10 wrote:Trinis import everything from US. Even behaviour. So blacks in TT aim to follow blacks in USA. Urban blacks that is.
African parents look down on both african americans and caribbean black people as lazy and backward. African leaders also look down on caribbean leaders. Good africans tend to be very hardworking and disciplined with belief in family structure and hard work etc.
bluefete wrote:zoom rader wrote:They probably laugh hard at the PNM prime Minster in GhanaRedress10 wrote:Trinis import everything from US. Even behaviour. So blacks in TT aim to follow blacks in USA. Urban blacks that is.
African parents look down on both african americans and caribbean black people as lazy and backward. African leaders also look down on caribbean leaders. Good africans tend to be very hardworking and disciplined with belief in family structure and hard work etc.
Zoomieeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You have a point about the importation of behaviour.
As a matter of fact, the USA's greatest export is its culture, of which behaviour is a part. I was looking at some posts on Twitter today and came across something by the TT blooded lady called Cardi B (I think). Well, the amount of mother this and mother that and f...ing this and f...ing that which came out of her mouth in less than 30 seconds made me cringe. She is held up as an exemplar in the entertainment world.
Behaviour is imported because we do not understand our history. There are hard working people of all persuasions in T&T.
You hitting hard.Redress10 wrote:bluefete wrote:zoom rader wrote:They probably laugh hard at the PNM prime Minster in GhanaRedress10 wrote:Trinis import everything from US. Even behaviour. So blacks in TT aim to follow blacks in USA. Urban blacks that is.
African parents look down on both african americans and caribbean black people as lazy and backward. African leaders also look down on caribbean leaders. Good africans tend to be very hardworking and disciplined with belief in family structure and hard work etc.
Zoomieeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You have a point about the importation of behaviour.
As a matter of fact, the USA's greatest export is its culture, of which behaviour is a part. I was looking at some posts on Twitter today and came across something by the TT blooded lady called Cardi B (I think). Well, the amount of mother this and mother that and f...ing this and f...ing that which came out of her mouth in less than 30 seconds made me cringe. She is held up as an exemplar in the entertainment world.
Behaviour is imported because we do not understand our history. There are hard working people of all persuasions in T&T.
Correct
These are the people who are promoted as model successes to young black women and that image is exported to every other black community in the world including ours.
Fun fact is that black ppl up until prob the 70s and 80s mainly held conservative values regarding family life etc.
Oh btw that point abt behaviour was actually my own. For anyone who disagree just look at the difference in the behaviour and discipline of asian ppl and compare them to americans. Americans export filth and if you don't guard your country/culture from it then you suffer.
zoom rader wrote:You hitting hard.Redress10 wrote:bluefete wrote:zoom rader wrote:They probably laugh hard at the PNM prime Minster in GhanaRedress10 wrote:Trinis import everything from US. Even behaviour. So blacks in TT aim to follow blacks in USA. Urban blacks that is.
African parents look down on both african americans and caribbean black people as lazy and backward. African leaders also look down on caribbean leaders. Good africans tend to be very hardworking and disciplined with belief in family structure and hard work etc.
Zoomieeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You have a point about the importation of behaviour.
As a matter of fact, the USA's greatest export is its culture, of which behaviour is a part. I was looking at some posts on Twitter today and came across something by the TT blooded lady called Cardi B (I think). Well, the amount of mother this and mother that and f...ing this and f...ing that which came out of her mouth in less than 30 seconds made me cringe. She is held up as an exemplar in the entertainment world.
Behaviour is imported because we do not understand our history. There are hard working people of all persuasions in T&T.
Correct
These are the people who are promoted as model successes to young black women and that image is exported to every other black community in the world including ours.
Fun fact is that black ppl up until prob the 70s and 80s mainly held conservative values regarding family life etc.
Oh btw that point abt behaviour was actually my own. For anyone who disagree just look at the difference in the behaviour and discipline of asian ppl and compare them to americans. Americans export filth and if you don't guard your country/culture from it then you suffer.
The same can be said in TT
In the 60 and 70s TT had respectable black folk. They were hard working folk as most was skilled tradesmen.
Then came PNM and took all that away by promoting laziness, freeness and racism .
You can hardly find skilled afro tradesman now. Most are husslers like washing cars , cutting grass and crime
bluefete wrote:zoom rader wrote:You hitting hard.Redress10 wrote:bluefete wrote:zoom rader wrote:They probably laugh hard at the PNM prime Minster in GhanaRedress10 wrote:Trinis import everything from US. Even behaviour. So blacks in TT aim to follow blacks in USA. Urban blacks that is.
African parents look down on both african americans and caribbean black people as lazy and backward. African leaders also look down on caribbean leaders. Good africans tend to be very hardworking and disciplined with belief in family structure and hard work etc.
Zoomieeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You have a point about the importation of behaviour.
As a matter of fact, the USA's greatest export is its culture, of which behaviour is a part. I was looking at some posts on Twitter today and came across something by the TT blooded lady called Cardi B (I think). Well, the amount of mother this and mother that and f...ing this and f...ing that which came out of her mouth in less than 30 seconds made me cringe. She is held up as an exemplar in the entertainment world.
Behaviour is imported because we do not understand our history. There are hard working people of all persuasions in T&T.
Correct
These are the people who are promoted as model successes to young black women and that image is exported to every other black community in the world including ours.
Fun fact is that black ppl up until prob the 70s and 80s mainly held conservative values regarding family life etc.
Oh btw that point abt behaviour was actually my own. For anyone who disagree just look at the difference in the behaviour and discipline of asian ppl and compare them to americans. Americans export filth and if you don't guard your country/culture from it then you suffer.
The same can be said in TT
In the 60 and 70s TT had respectable black folk. They were hard working folk as most was skilled tradesmen.
Then came PNM and took all that away by promoting laziness, freeness and racism .
You can hardly find skilled afro tradesman now. Most are husslers like washing cars , cutting grass and crime
John D and San Do Tech were iconic in the production of skilled tradesmen in T&T. Then in the early 1970's, Oil and gas were more important not learning a trade.
Today, we are suffering for the lack of vision just like when Eric Williams shut down the train service. We have never gotten over that in public transportation.
Yes,alfa wrote:bluefete wrote:zoom rader wrote:You hitting hard.Redress10 wrote:bluefete wrote:zoom rader wrote:They probably laugh hard at the PNM prime Minster in GhanaRedress10 wrote:Trinis import everything from US. Even behaviour. So blacks in TT aim to follow blacks in USA. Urban blacks that is.
African parents look down on both african americans and caribbean black people as lazy and backward. African leaders also look down on caribbean leaders. Good africans tend to be very hardworking and disciplined with belief in family structure and hard work etc.
Zoomieeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You have a point about the importation of behaviour.
As a matter of fact, the USA's greatest export is its culture, of which behaviour is a part. I was looking at some posts on Twitter today and came across something by the TT blooded lady called Cardi B (I think). Well, the amount of mother this and mother that and f...ing this and f...ing that which came out of her mouth in less than 30 seconds made me cringe. She is held up as an exemplar in the entertainment world.
Behaviour is imported because we do not understand our history. There are hard working people of all persuasions in T&T.
Correct
These are the people who are promoted as model successes to young black women and that image is exported to every other black community in the world including ours.
Fun fact is that black ppl up until prob the 70s and 80s mainly held conservative values regarding family life etc.
Oh btw that point abt behaviour was actually my own. For anyone who disagree just look at the difference in the behaviour and discipline of asian ppl and compare them to americans. Americans export filth and if you don't guard your country/culture from it then you suffer.
The same can be said in TT
In the 60 and 70s TT had respectable black folk. They were hard working folk as most was skilled tradesmen.
Then came PNM and took all that away by promoting laziness, freeness and racism .
You can hardly find skilled afro tradesman now. Most are husslers like washing cars , cutting grass and crime
John D and San Do Tech were iconic in the production of skilled tradesmen in T&T. Then in the early 1970's, Oil and gas were more important not learning a trade.
Today, we are suffering for the lack of vision just like when Eric Williams shut down the train service. We have never gotten over that in public transportation.
Wasn't UTT established to give folks a chance who weren't bright enough to go UWI? And with all them branches and GATE the opportunity is there, just have to make use of it
Redress10 wrote:Alfa
When the jews left europe they essentiay left with their wealth and influences. Jewish history didn't begin with the holocaust. They have always been a powerful and influential group. That didn't stop because of ww2 and Hitler etc. There was no on standing in their way of being a powerful nation when they moved to what is now Israel.
There are black ppl alive today who lived through segregation. That is barely even history. Some even argue that slavery never ended it just evolved hence you have mass incarcerations and judges being paid by prison corporations who are paid by the gov't to imprison people mainly people of african descent. See the pattern here? America's problem is that they have 40 million african americans that they have no purpose for and they can't get rid of.
As much as it is to sit back i TT and discuss american race realities we are not living it. You have no idea what you are talking if you don't understand american history during and after slavery. There were literally massacres of black people and black towns by white people. It is the modern day equivalent of what ISIS was doing a couple years ago. Not to mention jim crow laws, segregation ans redlining. There has been a sustained and systematic attack to keep black people at the bottom in America.
zoom rader wrote:Yes,alfa wrote:bluefete wrote:zoom rader wrote:You hitting hard.Redress10 wrote:bluefete wrote:zoom rader wrote:They probably laugh hard at the PNM prime Minster in GhanaRedress10 wrote:Trinis import everything from US. Even behaviour. So blacks in TT aim to follow blacks in USA. Urban blacks that is.
African parents look down on both african americans and caribbean black people as lazy and backward. African leaders also look down on caribbean leaders. Good africans tend to be very hardworking and disciplined with belief in family structure and hard work etc.
Zoomieeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You have a point about the importation of behaviour.
As a matter of fact, the USA's greatest export is its culture, of which behaviour is a part. I was looking at some posts on Twitter today and came across something by the TT blooded lady called Cardi B (I think). Well, the amount of mother this and mother that and f...ing this and f...ing that which came out of her mouth in less than 30 seconds made me cringe. She is held up as an exemplar in the entertainment world.
Behaviour is imported because we do not understand our history. There are hard working people of all persuasions in T&T.
Correct
These are the people who are promoted as model successes to young black women and that image is exported to every other black community in the world including ours.
Fun fact is that black ppl up until prob the 70s and 80s mainly held conservative values regarding family life etc.
Oh btw that point abt behaviour was actually my own. For anyone who disagree just look at the difference in the behaviour and discipline of asian ppl and compare them to americans. Americans export filth and if you don't guard your country/culture from it then you suffer.
The same can be said in TT
In the 60 and 70s TT had respectable black folk. They were hard working folk as most was skilled tradesmen.
Then came PNM and took all that away by promoting laziness, freeness and racism .
You can hardly find skilled afro tradesman now. Most are husslers like washing cars , cutting grass and crime
John D and San Do Tech were iconic in the production of skilled tradesmen in T&T. Then in the early 1970's, Oil and gas were more important not learning a trade.
Today, we are suffering for the lack of vision just like when Eric Williams shut down the train service. We have never gotten over that in public transportation.
Wasn't UTT established to give folks a chance who weren't bright enough to go UWI? And with all them branches and GATE the opportunity is there, just have to make use of it
It was called the Trinidad & Tobago institute of technology and was formed by Panday go fill the gap for the industry in PT lisas. A lot of the companies in PT lisas part funded it .
Then PNM came and messed it up changing the name to UTT and abusing the funds for it.
PNM did not like it where was built in Couva and thought it was for injuns only.
PNM messed it up totally and they are shutting down some of the external schools and staff. It was never meant to be expanded.
Ben_spanna wrote:https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2020/06/17/ghana-beyond-the-return-african-americans-george-floyd-busari-pkg-intl-ldn-vpx.cnn
Ghana has a message for African Americans: Come home
Ghana has a message for African Americans in the wake of George Floyd's death: "Africa is your home." Officials in Ghana's capital Accra are inviting Americans to live and invest in the West African nation
BLM supporters apparently now have an alternative to living somewhere they dont want to.
Lets see how many of them actually want to move out of supposed racist america .....
zoom rader wrote:Ben_spanna wrote:https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2020/06/17/ghana-beyond-the-return-african-americans-george-floyd-busari-pkg-intl-ldn-vpx.cnn
Ghana has a message for African Americans: Come home
Ghana has a message for African Americans in the wake of George Floyd's death: "Africa is your home." Officials in Ghana's capital Accra are inviting Americans to live and invest in the West African nation
BLM supporters apparently now have an alternative to living somewhere they dont want to.
Lets see how many of them actually want to move out of supposed racist america .....
I hope PNM ppl take up this offer and head back to their roots
You must be new to tuner.Ben_spanna wrote:zoom rader wrote:Ben_spanna wrote:https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2020/06/17/ghana-beyond-the-return-african-americans-george-floyd-busari-pkg-intl-ldn-vpx.cnn
Ghana has a message for African Americans: Come home
Ghana has a message for African Americans in the wake of George Floyd's death: "Africa is your home." Officials in Ghana's capital Accra are inviting Americans to live and invest in the West African nation
BLM supporters apparently now have an alternative to living somewhere they dont want to.
Lets see how many of them actually want to move out of supposed racist america .....
I hope PNM ppl take up this offer and head back to their roots
Your stance and your avatar suggests you should be the leader for Trindad to get the fvuk out and go live somewhere where you think you will be happier.. dont know why you suggesting political !
YOU dont like the 1%, you dont like Chinese, you dont like MAdras Injun, you dont like white people ... then guess what... opportunity awaits you in the promised land... pack up your crap and go! we will even send you off with a virtual party!
Les Bain wrote:The body of Robert Fuller was found hanging from a tree near Palmdale City Hall, California today.
Despite being surrounded by a government building and businesses, the police claim there's no footage at all to aid in the investigation.
Robert is/was black, and it seems as if Twitter outrage was responsible for the press acting as if this was some rumor.
I guess the local bootlicker society would sum this up as another excuse for protesters to loot some more.
6 people of color have died in recent string of hangings across country
Officials have so far ruled every case a suicide.
Jun 17, 2020
Authorities are investigating a sudden string of hangings involving black and Hispanic Americans as racial tensions continue to fester in the wake of George Floyd’s death.
The six separate incidents are also fueling fear and suspicions about the possibility of lynchings, but officials have so far ruled every case a suicide.
Since May 27, a woman, four men and a teenage boy have been found dead from separate hangings in Portland, Ore., Southern California, Houston and New York City.
The May 27 case in Portland was not widely reported. Police officers found the body of Otis “Titi” Gulley, 31, a homeless black man who identified as a woman, hanging from a tree in Rocky Butte Park, according to the Portland Mercury. Gulley’s death has been ruled a suicide, but family members said they were not convinced.
Malcolm Harsch, 38, was found in Victorville on May 31. Robert Fuller, 24, was found 53 miles away, hanged on June 10 at a park near Palmdale City Hall. The families of both men said they were not suicidal and are calling for an independent autopsy.
Nearly 3,000 miles away in the New York borough of Manhattan, 27-year-old Dominique Alexander was found hanging from a tree at Fort Tryon Park on June 9. The state medical examiner has ruled his death a suicide.
https://www.heraldmailmedia.com/news/na ... 76e96.html
zoom rader wrote:There are reports that Atlanta police is looking for what appears to be two white females that set fire to the Wendys food join from the killing of Mr Brooks.
Max may be disappointed that it was not black folk that arsoned Wendys
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I think Max is a bit disappointedLes Bain wrote:zoom rader wrote:There are reports that Atlanta police is looking for what appears to be two white females that set fire to the Wendys food join from the killing of Mr Brooks.
Max may be disappointed that it was not black folk that arsoned Wendys
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All them fellas who form their opinions from Ben Shapiro and F0cks News would be disappointed.
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